How a no-fly zone would change the war in Ukraine

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The battle for Ukraine’s skies has enormous stakes.
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The Russian air force is huge. Ukraine’s is not. And yet, more than two weeks into Russia’s war in Ukraine, one of the biggest surprises was that Russia had not yet achieved control of the skies over Ukraine, or what’s called “air superiority.” When a military has air superiority, its planes can attack the enemy much more easily and its ground troops can advance much faster. If, or when, Russia achieves air superiority, it will have gained a major advantage in the war.
To prevent or slow down that outcome, Ukraine’s allies in the west are working to deny Russia air superiority, mostly by sending weapons that can be used to shoot down planes. But Ukraine itself has asked for a more drastic step: the declaration of a no-fly zone over Ukraine, which would prohibit Russian planes from the airspace. But a no-fly zone is complicated, because to be effective, it has to be enforced. And the consequences of how that enforcement would play out could bring the war to places that were once unthinkable.
Further Reading:
Is the Russian Air Force Actually Incapable of Complex Air Operations? Justin Bronk, rusi.org/explore-our-research...
What happened to Russia’s Air Force? Reuters, www.reuters.com/world/europe/...
The curious case of Russia’s missing air force. Economist, www.economist.com/interactive...
No-fly zone. Crisis Group, www.crisisgroup.org/europe-ce...
EXCLUSIVE Americans broadly support Ukraine no-fly zone, Russia oil ban -poll, Reuters www.reuters.com/world/us/excl...
War on the Rocks Podcast. warontherocks.com/2022/03/11-...
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@Vox 2 жыл бұрын

Stay up to date with more of our reporting on the Russian invasion of Ukraine: bit.ly/3hylMJr

@bnwo 2 жыл бұрын

Still waiting on a video re: the Azov Battalion.

@Xpistos510 2 жыл бұрын

We might as well do a no-soldier zone where soldiers aren't permitted, and is enforced with NATO soldiers shooting Russian soldiers. The logic is identical.

@chadimirputin2282 2 жыл бұрын

Okay dokey will do lol.

@slslbbn4096 2 жыл бұрын

That awkward moment when you realize that America arming Taiwan (not UN recognized state) against China (a UN member) is analagous to Russia arming Donetsk/Luhansk (not UN recognized) against Ukraine (UN recognized). Sometimes George Orwell's chilling predictions about Doublespeak ring truer and closer to home than one would have realized. When are we going to report on this Vox?

@c1h2r3i4s56987 2 жыл бұрын

THE INVASION STARTED 8 YEARS AGO not this year CRIMEA IS UKRAINI

@joshuaperkings5155 2 жыл бұрын

Majority of Americans support a no fly zone? I am willing to bet all my life savings and belongings that the majority of Americans don’t even know what a no fly zone is, let alone what it entails.

@Samirustem 2 жыл бұрын

go easy on them, they just learned a name of a new country

@calvinhoward3808 2 жыл бұрын

Perfect example of the stupidity of democratic systems and why Ukraine will become a failed state.

@dianebeckett7494 2 жыл бұрын

@@Samirustem Lol

@ivanm3342 2 жыл бұрын

@@calvinhoward3808 maybe, but russia and belarus right now are perfect examples of the stupidity of authoritative systems and why they will become failed states…

@catinthehatworshipper1160 2 жыл бұрын

@@ivanm3342 Why? Because the West wants to destroy Russia's economy over a war they have no business in?

@Xavierpng 2 жыл бұрын

I'm very happy it's explained why a no-fly zone isn't possible. Thought the video was going to champion FOR a no-fly zone. The west is very much trying to help Ukraine while trying to avoid a catastrophic extinction-level global nuclear war.

@amgunzer3217 2 жыл бұрын

Bot

@Bradley2806 2 жыл бұрын

@PrimeVids did the Americans not help the Mujahideen by supply and Intel against the Soviets? Doing nearly everything bar nuclear war isn't the same as doing nothing.

@amgunzer3217 2 жыл бұрын

@Drew Peacock No, they are doing the smart thing by not implementing a no fly zone, they don’t wanna start WW3

@yourgooglemeister6745 2 жыл бұрын

Yes but liberals don't care about rationality they only care about hating on conservatives

@amgunzer3217 2 жыл бұрын

@Drew Peacock They would be directly getting involved, Putin said that anyone that gets involved would suffer the consequences.

@ATLAoftheHill 2 жыл бұрын

For anybody who thinks Russia would obey a No Fly Zone without being forced, remember, the Russia/Ukrainian border was a No Invasion Zone on February 24th...

@feral5374 2 жыл бұрын

@paul best then u get nuked?lol

@Cyborg_Lenin 2 жыл бұрын

@paul best The table with the nuke button? Get real, the table wis wide open for 20 years, Nato didn't care.

@demun6065 2 жыл бұрын

@paul best most Americans couldn't place Ukraine on a map, and have never owned a passport. Do you really expect them to understand the consequences of a no fly zone? Remember, Russia's airforce is about x100 stronger than Serbia's was, and even Serbia managed to shoot down stealth aircraft.

@robsaranzak2602 2 жыл бұрын

No one thinks that. It’s Ukraine’s “legal” way of dragging the US into the conflict. We definitely don’t need to be in that.

@Zainano 2 жыл бұрын

How else are you going to make them pay for war crimes they stacked up since 1932?

@horseradish4046 2 жыл бұрын

A lot of people seem to be confusing a No-Fly Zone with a safety measure to have civilians flights routed away from the battlefield to avoid catastrophes like MH17 back in 2014. The No-Fly Zone they're suggesting is really a full scale NATO military deployment in the Ukraine war. Those poll numbers they quoted would look a lot different if the question was posed honestly.

@ewoudalliet1734 2 жыл бұрын

"The No-Fly Zone they're suggesting is really a full scale NATO military deployment in the Ukraine war." Actually, no. A full scale NATO military deployment would also include ground and naval forces. Furthermore, a no-fly zone merely means prohibiting (hostile) aircraft to fly in that zone; that also doesn't (necessarily) include airstrikes against ground troops for example. So it's still far off from a "full scale" military deployment, but it would involve NATO in the war against Russia; and the latter would then have the perfect excuse to (escalate the conflict and) go for a full scale military deployment into NATO member states.

@horseradish4046 2 жыл бұрын

@@ewoudalliet1734 Keep in mind Ukraine is no tiny nation which you can fully patrol from a far, it's the 2nd largest nation in Europe. It's impossible to enforce a No Fly Zone over a battlefield (most of which is in east Ukraine) without having military deployment in the country for secure bases from which the intervening planes would launch. No Fly Zone in Ukraine would guarantee WW3

@CMT_Crabbles 2 жыл бұрын

You both make a good point and agree on at least 1 thing: No-fly zone means WW3. I like to think of it sorta like JFK’s naval blockade during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Russians perceived that move as an act of war, and it ended up escalating the crisis alot.

@ewoudalliet1734 2 жыл бұрын

@@horseradish4046 Actually it is possible without the deployment of troops to secure bases. Remember Libya? There's a thing called aerial refueling and there are also aircraft carriers (although do note that getting those in the Black Sea may be somewhat problematic), but the range of these aircraft is also far greater than you seem to assume. "No Fly Zone in Ukraine would guarantee WW3" I don't know whether it'd guarantee a WW3, but the odds would indeed be extremely high of that happening. Although that's not what I'm arguing about here; I'm arguing about the military capacity needed from NATO to enforce a No-Fly zone. One small remark; Ukraine here shouldn't be described as a nation (which is the people, their culture, language etc. - although the borders more or less overlap with the state; when you say it's the second biggest nation you could misinterpret it as it has the second biggest population - and that may also include inhabitants outside Ukraine; ad in that sense it's not the second biggest of Europe), but as a state (the Ukrainian government and the territory they control).

@ewoudalliet1734 2 жыл бұрын

@creeg8303 2 жыл бұрын

When the poll asked Americans about a no-fly zone, I bet the majority polled didn't know what that entailed. "No-fly zone" sounds more like a verbal slap on the wrist than a commitment to send American troops to enforce it.

@bidaubadeadieu 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Would have gotten a very different answer if they asked "Should the US and other NATO allies begin shooting down Russian planes?"

@niemand262 2 жыл бұрын

That's because everything is a lie. No fly zone = only we can fly zone.

@Kelbo77 2 жыл бұрын

You’re 10,000% right. Most people don’t understand that it would lead to a world war, AND, Russia’s S-400 air defences would have to be a first priority. So NATO would have to open the floodgates and destroy Russia SAM’s within the first day. Otherwise, with a range of 400Km, good luck sitting on station over Kyiv. I truly believe a no-fly zone would kick off a world war. Putin himself has said that’s how he will see it. I don’t think that’s a risk worth taking, particularly at this stage of the “game”.

@akgamingzz 2 жыл бұрын

US forbid Nato to send out plane into ukraine territory. And Nato already claim itself that they will not accept the no fly zone that requested by ukraine. There is video about this. I doubt why Vox didnt put this on their video

@taomasterwaka6287 2 жыл бұрын

Blame Hillary for turning it into a buzzword

@McLenwe 2 жыл бұрын

Actually a no-fly zone wouldn´t only entail shooting down russian planes, but also destroying russian anti-aircraft capibility. Which probably means attacking targets in Belarus and/or Russia itself. That is the part that makes the no-fly zone especially dangerous for triggering a nuclear war.

@jascrandom9855 2 жыл бұрын

Only those in Ukraine.

@j5545 2 жыл бұрын

Censorship changed this comment

@McLenwe 2 жыл бұрын

@@jascrandom9855 It is quite difficult to establish a no-fly zone when your planes get shot down by AA... And I doubt that the Russian would just sit there and don´t use AAs from their soil.

@jascrandom9855 2 жыл бұрын

@@McLenwe Which is why the Pentagon wants to send Soviet-designed Air defense systems from Eastern Europe NATO members that the Ukranians can use.

@finlayjames1367 2 жыл бұрын

Destroying Russian "anti aircraft capability" would involve NATO shooting down planes, surface to air missiles and Russian troops - directly involving them in the war...

@Mailedhorseman 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Vox for HONESTLY explaining what a no fly zone would entail (i.e. WWIII). Far too many media outlets are irresponsibly floating that idea without actually educating people on how dangerous it is.

@arkwill14 2 жыл бұрын

Long story short: Establishing a No-Fly Zone only works when you impose it on a nation that doesn't have much of an air force, say like an Iraq or Serbia. If you attempt to impose it on a nation that does have a significantly powerful air force (like Russia) it's not a "No-Fly Zone" -- it's an Air War. So if you're not prepared to start an Air War, the idea of attempting to establish a No-Fly Zone in a situation like this is just not realistic.

@LezChap 2 жыл бұрын

Putin already says we've declared (Economic) War on Russia...he already considers this a War of The World vs Russia. It's going to be hard to make that much worse.

@noname-bt9ky 2 жыл бұрын

If Ukrainian people had guns like Americans, Russians would have been dead in the first hour of war.

@noname-bt9ky 2 жыл бұрын

@Juicyyz what 💀

@noname-bt9ky 2 жыл бұрын

@Juicyyz Do you know Afghanistan and Iraq? Maybe you are familiar with Vietnam and that makes you think how USA got their independence from UK hmmmm

@spellsnare 2 жыл бұрын

@@LezChap economic war and war that 2 things different btw even putin not want a full-scale war with the european and nato

@splineMerl 2 жыл бұрын

"My best guess"......I love this guy. He doesn't pretend to know the Russian strategy like virtually everyone else.

@Allthrashedout. 2 жыл бұрын

russian strategy is a paradox..

@ahsokaincognito 2 жыл бұрын

To be fair the Guardian was spot on with their predictions two weeks before the invasion.

@justonemori 2 жыл бұрын

Imagine the town drunk is intelligent, belligerent and resentful.

@MegaBanne 2 жыл бұрын

At least they don't have any strategy to achieve air superiority.

@jonathanpfeffer3716 2 жыл бұрын

Change “virtually” to “literally”

@FBWalshyFTW 2 жыл бұрын

74% of Americans supporting a no-fly zone is classic example of America's Main Character Syndrome.

@the_picsopedia 2 жыл бұрын

What's that?

@chewsir 2 жыл бұрын

Your comment makes as much sense as Putin's invasion.

@brianstabile165 2 жыл бұрын

It’s the “America saves the day every day”

@donutchan8114 2 жыл бұрын

They're also not well versed in politics. All their knowledge comes from parroting headlines from their favorite news network. Its very straightforward, superficial, childish logic.

@lunchtime2960 2 жыл бұрын

Being that Americans are hyper propagadised and that it's a war like culture based on the misconception that we are the good guys.

@SS_RCPS 2 жыл бұрын

ty for posting these videos on wars, makes it 10000x more simple and easier to undertand

@keepitlit1518 2 жыл бұрын

Nofly Zone is basically euphemism for NATO joining the war. That also means that Nato will have to shut down nukes over Europe and uboats outside of New York and Los Angeles. If they had the power to proclaim Nofly zone they would already do that. They would also proclaim NoWar zone if they could. Putin and Nato just wants a buffer from each other and they are still deciding on if totally leveling Ukraine is worth it or not. That's what NoFlyzone means.

@neogamess 2 жыл бұрын

As ridiculous, and as sad as that sounds, that is true.

@joetaylor8602 2 жыл бұрын

The same poll that found that 70% support a no fly zone also found that the vast majority of Americans are against sending troops to fight. It's not that Americans want the no fly zone, it's that they don't know what it means.

@jackthegod9988 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, l don’t think another superpower is gonna emerge again after a WW3 because a nuclear war will do more damage to Americans than anybody else

@lilaworley8935 2 жыл бұрын

This is definitely a huge factor. It's just ignorance

@countessmargoth469 2 жыл бұрын

40% of Americans believe in creationism. It's best not to ask the American public for their opinion on serious issues.

@sansaraee 2 жыл бұрын

I myself had no idea what the importance of no-fly zones were until this video.

@tiermacgirl 2 жыл бұрын

Seasoned reporters know all the terminology but forget that regular folks just don't.

@megasun 2 жыл бұрын

Guess most people don't realize, so called "NO Fly Zone" simply means an actual Air Superiority, a total control of airspace, and you need to fight for it.

@akgamingzz 2 жыл бұрын

Nato already claim itself that they will not accept the no fly zone that requested by ukraine. There is video about this. I doubt why Vox didnt put this on their video

@Teixas666 2 жыл бұрын

@@akgamingzz Nato is not willing to go into WW3 over the Ukraine which is a sensible position to be in.

@countessmargoth469 2 жыл бұрын

I think the generals and the President understand this concept. Thank the Gods.

@springbloom5940 2 жыл бұрын

Air dominance. Russia already has that. Ukraine has no air capability above 5000' because of Russian ADS.

@bucksnort2216 2 жыл бұрын

Guess you speak for yourself. Crickets....

@aisjdoaidf1490 2 жыл бұрын

Finally someone explaining this. Very well done. Informative

@istheyear-ry1el 2 жыл бұрын

the 74% americans who voted to enforce no-fly zone are the same people who thought the Ghost of Kyiv guy was real😂

@kt7629 2 жыл бұрын

do some research on the Ghost of Kyiv...

@cathfelton1955 2 жыл бұрын

The poll you cited, about 70% of American support a no fly zone didn't explain what one would entail. A similar poll in the UK where it was actually explained found 70% opposed a no fly zone

@harrisonhari 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you 100 percent of these goofy didn't know what a no flying zones are I bet they were cheering for a no fly zone till the had to be explained what it was

@19katherine1213 2 жыл бұрын

I think that has a lot to do with the UK being in Europe so close to the conflict. People take the risk more seriously and therefore more cautious

@ghostrunner2138 2 жыл бұрын

Typical in American politics. Something sounds good on paper, but nobody understands the actual cost.

@mazaryakar8153 2 жыл бұрын

they use polls to confuse people only to use the poll to justify political decisions.

@MAXlMUS 2 жыл бұрын

Zelenskiy does not ask NATO to shut russian airplanes. He asks Biden to sell old soviet airplanes NATO has for ukrainian pilots to fly, and also for air defense systems that ukrainians can operate. Both rejected by Biden admin. That's the current meaning of no-fly zone in ukraine

@BenWinder108 2 жыл бұрын

Clearly anyone that wants a no-fly zone doesn't know the repercussions that come with it.

@celestialorb1680 2 жыл бұрын

Yet I often doubt that Russia would attack Nato over the no fly zone.

@QoStoOds 2 жыл бұрын

Too many sickos want ww3 and don't understand the cascading events that would happen when they would have to enforce the nofly zone.

@sownheard 2 жыл бұрын

@@celestialorb1680 that's why your not a general.

@shanebraaten9553 2 жыл бұрын

@Shamar Levinloyd that's always been our leaders for you

@Xelief 2 жыл бұрын

@@celestialorb1680 Yeah, I'm sure you're much more well informed than the entire intelligence community comprising NATO

@kakiuw7543 2 жыл бұрын

"do all that we can to help Ukraine while also doing everything we can to avoid direct conflict with Russia." No, I don't think it is not possible to do both at the same time.

@duvaragan4217 2 жыл бұрын

Would the people of Vox care to explain how much Iraqi civilians died when US and Britain has complete air superiority during the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

@ronaldom2239 2 жыл бұрын

lol funny you, the USA can never commit war crime. USA is always justified in any foreign military action and the right is only exclusive to it. The media would never report the tens of thousands of civilians who died in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya.

@matherproductions9146 2 жыл бұрын

Hm.. I don’t know, maybe because it’s a whataboutism that isn’t relevant to the topic at hand?

@hihikikuo1972 2 жыл бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏👏

@kylexu9388 2 жыл бұрын

Calling for a no-fly zone is equal to asking for the world war 3. Thank you Vox for making this a plain explanation for everyone.

@akgamingzz 2 жыл бұрын

Nato already claim itself that they will not accept the no fly zone that requested by ukraine. There is video about this. I doubt why Vox didnt put this on their video

@Inf7cted 2 жыл бұрын

@@akgamingzz Only way this could happen, if they blame Putin for Bio attacks.

@akgamingzz 2 жыл бұрын

@@Inf7cted dont you know that US had bio lab in ukraine? This is what russia want to take now. Also US own many bio labs around the world

@anmlt 2 жыл бұрын

@@akgamingzz I hope it was a sarcasm

@catinthehatworshipper1160 2 жыл бұрын

There is zero difference between someone who wants an NFZ and someone who wants a war with the Russian Federation.

@zachf748 2 жыл бұрын

I guarantee you that a huge percentage of the Americans polled didn’t know what a no fly zone meant, nor did they know the implications behind declaring one.

@MAXlMUS 2 жыл бұрын

@petkovmarin 2 жыл бұрын

I guess they don't know where Ukraine is .

@sunburstshredder 2 жыл бұрын

Shame on the media for not explaining what that would entail

@DUCKSWAYBOBWEAVE 2 жыл бұрын

As an American, we don't want Russia to achieve air superiority.

@nikel- 2 жыл бұрын

@@MAXlMUS Should've said lend-lease then

@thinkthearts2604 2 жыл бұрын

Thank for sharing

@matikramer9648 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for explanation.. just as I have thought...

@JewTube001 2 жыл бұрын

There's no such thing as a no-fly zone in this situation. Typically this is something you do verses a small, poor country with limited air and AA assets to begin with. In this case however, it would be across the border of Russia, which has a sizable airforce and long range AA systems. Not to mention they have long range missiles, and intercontinental NUCLEAR missiles.

@Zov631 2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. This is Russia not Libya lol

@abdiganiaden 2 жыл бұрын

Why is Nuclear always mentioned? I don’t get it. Isn’t it supposed to be used when gov is about to be totally annihilated? It’s the equivalent of placing your enemy head next to yours and shooting them in the head with a rifle bullet hoping it won’t go thru which it obviously will.

@los__unicos2777 2 жыл бұрын

By this Russia already won

@ezucra 2 жыл бұрын

And NATO just said "no" to their request.

@werid_kid2967 2 жыл бұрын

@@abdiganiaden the thing is even if there is only 0.1 percentage chance of somebody using nuclear weapons, we still don’t want to risk it

@537monster 2 жыл бұрын

It would mean direct conflict between NATO and Russia. In other words, it would mean the beginning of WWIII.

@ELVEVERX 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it'd change the war by turning it nuclear.

@dickgraysonsdick6011 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly it’d end bad for everyone

@user-nh6qi2zu1b 2 жыл бұрын

like if just leave france being invaded and England got destroyed in ww2 then ww2 is not gonna happed but just Germany domaination over everyone.

@DaGyi 2 жыл бұрын

@@ELVEVERX see you guys in the next universe. We are all doomed.

@troystpaul100 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe that war needs to be fought.. Russia needs to be put back in it's shell.

@alinali2587 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for the video

@user-mk9ei7sv7r 2 жыл бұрын

Sharing this info is very important for Ukrainian people Thank you for that

@AndriiPyndyk 2 жыл бұрын

I live in Kyiv, and I was watching this video to the sounds of a working Ukrainian air defense system. My small personal no-fly zone. Once I heard a russian 3M-54 Kalibr cruise missile just flying over top of my house. And I can guarantee you that you don't want to know how it sounds like.

@ycumbess 2 жыл бұрын

So sorry🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 praying for you

@JewTube001 2 жыл бұрын

I heard it sounds like brown noise.

@mentally-ill-mary 2 жыл бұрын

praying for you, your family & your country

@aspuzling 2 жыл бұрын

I cannot imagine what it must be like for you. I'm very interested to know what you thought of the video. Do you think NATO should impose any kind of no-fly zone? Does the prospect of escalation concern you given how bad it is already for Ukraine? All the strongest courage to you and Ukraine.

@chrisb6363 2 жыл бұрын

💔

@ThomasBoudewijnVos 2 жыл бұрын

A no fly-zone goes even beyond what has been showed in this video. It also means that you have to bomb the surface to air capabilities of Russia in order to allow your own fighter jets to fly safely. However, most of these capabilities are positioned in Russia and Belarus. So a no-fly zone means a massive bombing campaign beyond the borders of Ukraine in order to make it effectively work

@Gold_Not_God 2 жыл бұрын

Are you a Kremlin bot? I've already seen three comments that are exactly the same as your

@ThomasBoudewijnVos 2 жыл бұрын

No bro, believe me I want to help the Ukraine. But I am afraid a no fly zone unfortunately will not do it

@Gold_Not_God 2 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasBoudewijnVos Dude, what help can you even give? I'm sure Putin will be afraid to go to war against Nato, Europe or even America alone. He saw that one single Ukraine is destroying the attack army and the people have become disgruntled, the economy is ruined. He is afraid of adopting a non-fly zone that is why he does not send all the planes into battle. +I'm sure Russian nukes won't even get off the ground, and those responsible for launching missiles will simply refuse to start a nuclear war (as they have done 3 times before)

@Lokithecavalier 2 жыл бұрын

@@ThomasBoudewijnVos it’s Ukraine, not the Ukraine!

@haythemsandel8303 2 жыл бұрын

@@Gold_Not_God LOL look at this bot copy pasting the same comment to everyone

@kaixiang5390 2 жыл бұрын

Most Americans have no idea that “no-fly zone” means “air war”

@perryberman2824 2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, most Americans have no idea period.

@ChrisNoonetheFirst 2 жыл бұрын

@@perryberman2824 American people understand world events at the same rate as any other nationality, but American government is based on land, not the people themselves

@perryberman2824 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisNoonetheFirst Most Americans have no clue about American affairs let alone foreign affairs. That's why the country is in the shape it is.

@kaixiang5390 2 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisNoonetheFirst yeah, those who know what it means to conquer land tend to end up governing those who do not

@ChrisNoonetheFirst 2 жыл бұрын

@@perryberman2824 True, the only thing that keeps the Republicans around is the vast power they get from the Senate. If the media ever explained how much power that actually is most Americans would throw up

@Crunkmaster 2 жыл бұрын

"HEY BUDDY DON'T FLY OVER HERE OR ELSE" yea that'll stop em

@zhang_han 2 жыл бұрын

How are you able to dictate how the airspace should be in a warzone of a war you're not a part of? Like, how would NATO be able to even justify a no-fly zone and claim to be not part of the war?

@nefariouspurplebadger 2 жыл бұрын

Putin is saying it’s not a war. It can’t be a war and not be a war at the same time.

@riplajan 2 жыл бұрын

They can’t that’s the whole point of this video. A no fly zone would mostly likely involve nato directly.

@okk 2 жыл бұрын

Han Zhang that's the entire purpose of the video. If you declare a no fly zone you have to enforce it, which means shooting down a Russian plane and being a direct participant in the conflict.

@arthuryu6602 2 жыл бұрын

@@nefariouspurplebadger But Putin also said anyone that interferes with his "not-a-war" would be view as at war with Russia. So...you really want NATO / EU to get involved militarily?

@zhang_han 2 жыл бұрын

@@riplajan right, but what I'm wondering is why people are even talking about this like it's an option.

@usuallyroamingrob3427 2 жыл бұрын

That poll doesn't mean anything, the pollsters themselves even concluded, "It was not clear if respondents who supported a no-fly zone were fully aware of the risk of conflict, and majorities opposed the idea of sending American troops to Ukraine or conducting air strikes to support the Ukrainian army."

@mhazg6621 2 жыл бұрын

THEN WHAT? YOU WANT TO DO NOTHING? YOU WANT TO SEE THOSE KIDS AND MOTHERS BEING BOMBED BY RUSSIANS?

@btlv 2 жыл бұрын

@@mhazg6621 Your brain is so small it's laughable.

@jwg72 2 жыл бұрын

@@mhazg6621 You want to see ten thousand civilian casualties climb to one hundred million? The best case scenarios for war with Russia would mean many many more civilians dead.

@rockmycd1319 2 жыл бұрын

@@mhazg6621 Do you want a NATO-Russia conflict?

@lsh7098 2 жыл бұрын

@@mhazg6621 Can't bare to see white people being the victim of war? Where is the call for WWIII when non-white suffered equally or worst

@lilith9958 Жыл бұрын

This aged well

@bastion6421 2 жыл бұрын

Short and informative, good job.

@fierylightning3422 2 жыл бұрын

When I first heard “no fly zone” I thought it meant all nations not involved in the war wouldn’t fly any planes through, wether civilian or military. I didn’t think it meant enforcing that russians and Ukrainians can’t fight it in the air

@shubhampreetsingh8630 2 жыл бұрын

There is one more factor, Russian Air defence which are deployed in Russia and Belarus and have range covering large part of ukraine. So if NATO goes in ukraine they will first have to bomb Russian Air defences in Russia otherwise their aircrafts will keep on getting shot and obviously it will be very escalating

@papaicebreakerii8180 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it sounds so passive but it’s definitely not. News stations and reporters should just go out and say what they actually want instead of using dog whistles

@rUSTYfrfr 2 жыл бұрын

Ukraine definitely cannot put a fight up with Russia in terms of air superiority

@Morristown337 2 жыл бұрын

fighter jets and no fly zone are 2 different things. For example we need to research the Iraq war. They sent a combination of hundreds of aircraft and almost a thousand drones in which the drones go in first to pull up anti aircraft fire and then the bombers escorted with fighters attack anti air targets that fired at the drones up front. It also takes an opening massive attack that takes out all enemy airfields that they can launch planes from (in this case it would mean targets within Russia homeland.) You cascade sorties and escorted bomber runs with drones up front and fighters below radar and above altitude to find an hit targets. This can only last for a matter of hours to a couple of days. ALL of your targets must be hit within those 1-2 days and then AWACs rotates for 24hour radar coverage with small number of "response" flights to maintain. If this is not achieved there IS NO FLY ZONE. If we can not hit airfields in Russia and they can not hit airfields in Poland then both sides will be able to attack and bomb the other without ever stopping.

@robinsonaibuedefe2255 2 жыл бұрын

@@Morristown337 hitting targets in Russian homeland you say guess we both know no one is bold enough to do that

@tomlangford1999 2 жыл бұрын

The fact this idea has gained any traction really calls the public's critical thinking faculties into question

@selohcin 2 жыл бұрын

It's not their critical thinking that is lacking; it's their understanding of the concept of a No-Fly Zone. They don't actually know what it is or what it would involve. Ordinary people simply do not spend their free time studying military doctrine. They wouldn't know if a given proposed military action is a good idea or not. They have no awareness of wartime logistics, international law, military capabilities of various countries, or the most likely sequence of consequences for any given attack strategy. The only way a pollster could get 70% of respondents to agree that a No-Fly Zone was a good idea is if they asked a leading question such as "Russia is invading Ukraine. Wouldn't it be a good thing if the US implemented a No-Fly Zone and stopped Russia's air force from attacking Ukraine?" An uninformed person would answer in the affirmative.

@shikyokira3065 2 жыл бұрын

@@selohcin have people vote for something they don't know... no wonder "they" want more people to vote

@MAXlMUS 2 жыл бұрын

@MiCajaDelIdiota 2 жыл бұрын

Before that the public must have a critical thinking skill. I will submit to you that allegations against the US public possessing such skills will not stand in court. US public opinion: NOT GUILTY!

@subzero8344 2 жыл бұрын

@@selohcin You don't even have to research what a no-fly zone is to understand it. For instance, I've never never heard of the term before until now but I instantly knew what it meant literally using the most basic logic. So yes, THEY DO lack critical thinking skills if they cannot decipher such a simple concept.

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@caramelbrandon4988 2 жыл бұрын

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@haroldmelvingordon9614 2 жыл бұрын

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@shadybelay1195 2 жыл бұрын

Wow excellent explanation

@PremierCCGuyMMXVI 2 жыл бұрын

As much as I want to help Ukraine, I also don’t want a mass extinction

@DragonKingGaav 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. That's why cyber attacks are more beneficial.

@hamzamahmood9565 2 жыл бұрын

@@DragonKingGaav Ah yes, what a great solution

@celestialorb1680 2 жыл бұрын

@@DragonKingGaav That could also lead to direct conflict with Russia my guy.

@hamzamahmood9565 2 жыл бұрын

@Лев Купибіда I genuinely understand the need of Ukrainian people at this hour, but a world War between 2 nuclear superpowers could spell the end of the human race entirely. And this is not an exaggeration. We are trying everything in our capacity to help Ukrainians and hurt Russian leaders, so that this tragedy does not repeat. But know this, Ukraine has absolutely surprised the world with it's bravery and strength, and this war will not be for nothing. The free world has learned the true price of freedom and is united now more than ever.

@Acidfunkish 2 жыл бұрын

@@hamzamahmood9565 That absolutely is an exaggeration.

@tugbutker1951 2 жыл бұрын

Where and how was that poll conducted? Just curious.

@Jay-gx8dm 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the explanation, I've been confused about this specific war aspect for days. Good job.

@SurplusMarket 2 жыл бұрын

There's no way that 74% of Americans are that smooth brain to think that imposing a no-fly zone is a good idea. I question the legitimacy of whatever poll they referenced.

@timbowalk14 2 жыл бұрын

I personally believe its real. I was all for it until I realized the measures to enforce it.

@EricaGamet 2 жыл бұрын

I think the issue is calling it a no-fly zone... and that most Americans don't really know what that means. It sounds like we are just saying, "Hey guys... you totally can't fly here... so stop it, k?" As one former ambassador to Russia said today, it's a declaration of war... to enforce the NFZ, you have to shoot down Russian planes. And that escalates to nukes.

@diogenesofsinope5358 2 жыл бұрын

The issue is that most westerners don't understand geopolitics but still want to help Ukraine due to Ukraine litteraly becoming a sort of "trend" in the last two weeks. People that have never even heard of the country before are now protecting it in debates and supporting it.

@polariti9503 2 жыл бұрын

74% of the group they polled* We don't know how many people they polled. It could be 1000 or 100000 people. Ofc, There's no way you can poll all 300 million Americans.

@Michaelonyoutub 2 жыл бұрын

no-fly zones have been successful for the US in many wars in the middle east so they are likely though of positively by Americans without them completely understanding what exactly they entail.

@LegendaryPatMan 2 жыл бұрын

The other major issue is that to enforce a No Fly Zone, you also have the suppress air defences. This means making strikes into Russia by violating their airspace and bombing their land. Regardless of how you feel about Russia, Putin has previously said that Attacks on the Motherland are a criteria for First Use of Nuclear Weapons. If you actually go and enforce the No Fly Zone... You are saying you want Nuclear War with the world's largest Nuclear Power. If you want that... I'm not sure you can be sane

@kingart23 2 жыл бұрын

The question is what happens after Ukraine. Is it worth the risk. If Putin decides to go for the Baltic States ( And by their conversation with Lukasenko looks like they might ) , then at the moment we are just pro-longing the inventible...

@kevinstfort 2 жыл бұрын

@@kingart23 when has any nation on earth taken action when the US has invaded, occupied and destroyed other countries? Never. So now that Russia is doing it and the US is against it we all have to stop Russia? Nope. I’m not interested in WW3 and nuclear annihilation.

@acavella0855 2 жыл бұрын

Maybe its better to prolong the inevitable and have a time to prepare rather than facing it right now with limited preparation and with limited planning

@eKSe1337 2 жыл бұрын

@Enrique Morales Sacrifice a little??? Do you understand what will happen if this war turns nuclear? One thing is certain and that is that there will be no one remembering it once it is over.

@ttuliorancao 2 жыл бұрын

@@kingart23 what happens after Ukraine? Probably nothing. Russia has shown exactly zero signs of expansionism since the Soviet Union and this war is extremely defensive for them if you know anything about geopolitics. Since the beginning of the 2000s Kissinger and other American officials were warning that Ukraine was a red line for NATO that Russia would not accept being crossed. The Russians habe been warning and trying to diplomatically settle this for 20 years but nobody listened to them. It's very hard to flex by saying that a country reacting against 30 years of their declared enemy expanding to their borders as an agressive and expansionist behavior

@James-cg4jo 2 жыл бұрын

Thank God people have brains understand what a no fly zone would entail

@eicq3363 2 жыл бұрын

Excellent explanation

@aeiouaeiou100 2 жыл бұрын

I do not believe most of those 73% of Americans calling for a no fly zone actually know what it entails and are just agreeing with it because it sounds right. Which is pretty dang dangerous.

@apachedave 2 жыл бұрын

Yup, the average person thinks that a "No Fly Zone" is some sort of magical force field, or they have seen the No Fly Zones over Iraq and Bosnia work against non-nuclear armed belligerents.

@qerwerg2341 2 жыл бұрын

It shows how ignorant people are of military tactics and logistics

@mr.priman 2 жыл бұрын

what could be more dangerous then war?

@mr.priman 2 жыл бұрын

hello chicken

@aeiouaeiou100 2 жыл бұрын

@@mr.priman Nuclear war which is what we're all trying to prevent here. If there wasn't a threat of nuclear war non of this would happen in the first place.

@SimeonFrank 2 жыл бұрын

Anyone wanting a no fly zone astonishes me. They think they are trying to help, but in reality everything would get so much worse. Thank God no one in power has even considered it.

@Noschool100 2 жыл бұрын

i mean i think they just hear "no-fly zone" and think "oh that's between not sending troops and sending troops"

@mdashlw 2 жыл бұрын

you're making it too one-sided. there is a debate whether a no-fly zone is a good idea, including within NATO

@MashaKanarchuk 2 жыл бұрын

Same as not imposing a no fly zone. You get this war going longer and not only there is an immigration crisis and food shortages but also you’ll face Russia from EU and NATO boarders

@Noschool100 2 жыл бұрын

@@MashaKanarchuk "You get this war going longer" htf is a war between the US and Russia gonna be shorter? and as bad as the situation in ukraine is the west is much more capable of giving aid and helping refugees, a war with Russia would literally have all of eastern Europe turn into ukraine and that is the best case scenario if nukes don't come out.

@thirdstar9255 2 жыл бұрын

WWIII has already begun, fruit.

@snazzysailor 2 жыл бұрын

Well explained

@nicoka484 2 жыл бұрын

I WISH news channels would explain what they're talking about the way Vox does in videos like this. I've been hearing "no fly zone" for weeks but never heard anyone explain how powerful air superiority is and just how uncontrollable a no fly zone could be (to clarify I'm not for or against one)

@hamzamahmood9565 2 жыл бұрын

What most people don't understand about nuclear warfare is that using 1 nuke can easily and quickly lead to using ALL nukes. Neither side will ever launch a "limited strike" as it can be either intercepted, or met with a large retaliatory strike that destroys your country. The only logical move is to go all in or none. So we are one misunderstanding, ONE mistake, one silly escalation away from total annihilation.

@mhazg6621 2 жыл бұрын

And you just want to POSTPONE THE WAR? *YOU CAN'T PREVENT NUCLEAR WAR if we still have PUTIN at RUSSIA.* YOU PREVENT NUCLEAR WITH NUCLEAR. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

@emersonbeavers911 2 жыл бұрын

@@mhazg6621 absolute genius right here

@TheFinalChapters 2 жыл бұрын

It's far worse than that. In the fog of war, how do you tell the difference between a nuclear warhead and a regular missile? Long story short: you don't.

@hrtlsbstrd 2 жыл бұрын

@@mhazg6621 lol, try that and see what happens

@patrickfitzgerald2861 2 жыл бұрын

So if I'm Putin reading this I'm thinking I can do anything I want and NATO won't try to stop me. Sorry NATO, you fight him now, or you fight him later, but at a much higher cost. The war for freedom in Europe has already begun.

@Xballawanaka 2 жыл бұрын

Something that hasn't been mentioned but is of interest is that to enforce a no fly zone you also need to destroy long range anti air missile systems in Belarus and Russia ie. Direct attacks on their soil. There is no half measures when it comes to no fly zones except maybe only commiting SAM systems on the polish border but this wouldnt be as effective or accepted by neither side

@hejalll 2 жыл бұрын

But also, in regard to Vox's mention that Putin made threats regarding no fly zone participants, he also made threats regarding anyone who sends Ukraine weapons, so I don't think his words matter much.

@azimuthaz 2 жыл бұрын

@@hejalll if it's doesn't matter, NATO would have happily help Ukraine by imposing the NFZ, which they didn't. Surely they know well how this will escalate the situation further, don't you think. Either it's an empty threat or not, a Nuclear Holocaust is simply a factor that shouldn't be taken lightly as well. It's easy to say that when one simply don't have any idea what will happen if NATO choose to impose that. Our world has been at the very close call with those situation before, and risking that kind of things over Ukraine outweighs the decision to impose the NFZ. Remember the cuban missile crisis? At that point we are very close to the Nuclear Warfare.

@hejalll 2 жыл бұрын

@@azimuthaz yeah i don't think we should enforce the NFZ either. Just wanted to point out that some of Putins threats are hollow. Though, I do think we could enforce NFZ if we got china and India on board, because then they're truly isolated, I mean what are they gonna do, bomb the entire world? Although that's not gonna happen ofc, China wouldn't join us in that.

@plainText384 2 жыл бұрын

@@hejalll china and India aren't even close to Ukraine, so I don't see the relevance. And if it comes to a nuclear conflict, it doesn't matter what side China is on or if they are neutral, the fallout will be global.

@akgamingzz 2 жыл бұрын

Nato already claim itself that they will not accept the no fly zone that requested by ukraine. There is video about this. I doubt why Vox didnt put this on their video

@suraqis 2 жыл бұрын

"We seem to be very near the bleak choice between War and Shame. My feeling is that we shall choose Shame, and then have War thrown in a little later on even more adverse terms than at present." Sir Winston Churchill

@aaroncarey1584 2 жыл бұрын

Love the old air force picture in BDUs and alice gear from the 90s.

@gvue4396 2 жыл бұрын

This is like watching a kid get bullied at school but doing nothing about it.

@deerinheadlights9784 2 жыл бұрын

It’s as simple as that

@noobyt3559 2 жыл бұрын

intervening is like helping a guy in a bar in a fist fight which causes more to intervene on both sides causing a fist fight throughout the entire bar and eventually a massacre

@elizabethhenning778 2 жыл бұрын

Ukraine is also now offering $1M USD to any Russian pilot who defects and gives his plane to Ukraine. That's how important this is.

@509734 2 жыл бұрын

If I were a Russian pilot and I took the offer I’d be sleeping with one eye open on a lookout for a laser pointer to my head for the rest of my life

@elizabethhenning778 2 жыл бұрын

@@509734 Unless there's regime change in Russia.

@IndigoIndustrial 2 жыл бұрын

Bill Gates and Elon could end this war if that's true.

@ZhangLee. 2 жыл бұрын

@@elizabethhenning778 how ?

@lundsweden 2 жыл бұрын

The good news is if a Russian pilot took up this offer, polonium poisoning is usually quite fast, so prolonged suffering is unlikely!

@inhalemyants9569 2 жыл бұрын

5:40: "And I weep when I see some of these images..." Him: 😐👨🏻‍💼

@kat5592 2 жыл бұрын

Prayers May God bless them all

@Sir_Budginton 2 жыл бұрын

Not only would NATO aircraft have to shoot down Russian aircraft, they’d have to destroy Russian air defences. Many of these Russian air defences have ranges of hundreds of kilometres, so they can sit in Russia or Belarus and shoot at NATO aircraft over Ukraine, which means to destroy them NATO would have to strike Russian targets *on Russian soil*

@TommySmokeChannel 2 жыл бұрын

We had an alcoholic instead of President to 2000. We wanted to be friends with America, NATO and Europe. We gave up everything for this. Warsaw pact, USSR, all our world power for friendship... This is not fair, Russia gave everything. And what did we get? I am fully ready for war with west now.

@PineappleOnPizza69 2 жыл бұрын

Bro that's messed up. May turned ww3 real quick

@IndigoIndustrial 2 жыл бұрын

@@antonoko No, it isn't.

@bremexperience 2 жыл бұрын

exactly. and Russia cannot withstand the full NATO might on two or three fronts (Arctic, east, west), which would make Putin use nuclear weapons more likely.

@Redbatray 2 жыл бұрын

@@IndigoIndustrial Yes it is.

@T33K3SS3LCH3N 2 жыл бұрын

1. The Russian doctrine is not very air focussed. 2. The Russian air advantage currently does not translate into many strikes because of Ukrainian ground based anti-air. 3. Russians fly low because the long range defenses that can easily hit them up high are still active and dangerous. The current key to keep Russian air support limited are small and numerous AA weapons like MANPADs. 4. A no-fly zone has to destroy both Russian planes and ground based air defenses. It is very simply a direct declaration of war. This is why weapons like Stingers are currently nicknamed "no-fly zone in a box". A much better alternative unless you want to start WW3.

@Marylandbrony 2 жыл бұрын

Russias Air Force has been mainly to support the ground forces, alias what the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact planed to do in a conventional war in Western Europe. Not to win air battles early on like what the western air forces planned to do.

@akgamingzz 2 жыл бұрын

Nato already claim itself that they will not accept the no fly zone that requested by ukraine. There is video about this. I doubt why Vox didnt put this on their video

@AbdulRasyidPangrango-qr9dt 2 жыл бұрын

bombs nowdays have longer range than manpads, and russia have a lot of advance bomber that equel to US one, so its not really help plus cruise missile

@Bracket. 2 жыл бұрын

russians are using their aircraft to bomb civilians.

@user-yt4no9bf2g 2 жыл бұрын

Patriots!!!

@AdamAli-db2cm 2 жыл бұрын

Why is the west media and governments not talking about the simple solution of the problem which is making Ukraine a neutral country, saves millions of lives and I’m 100% sure Ukraine will be neutral sooner or after a huge loss

@slumzur 2 жыл бұрын

Putin needs Ukraine to recognize Crimea and Donbass, that's the biggest problem. Ukraine already agreed to be neutral.

@acetong902 2 жыл бұрын

It’s straight rich people playing chess with our lives

@you4arun 2 жыл бұрын

I always wondered why no fly zone would escalate things. Now I know why. Thank you

@MAXlMUS 2 жыл бұрын

@michaelom2000 2 жыл бұрын

@@MAXlMUS that is disingenuous. Zelenesky is requesting planes for Ukrainian pilots, as a response to the clear red line NATO has established regarding an actual no fly zone. They want a no fly zone... But since they won't get one they want fighter jets to defend themselves. This has been resisted so far because while on paper it is no different to providing guns and ammunition to Ukraine, it has been treated differently in past conflicts involving NATO member states. For example the French agreeing to supply jets to Saddam Hussein's Iraq in 1983 led to Iranian (alleged) killing of approximately 30 French soldiers in an alleged State sponsored terrorist attack. It has been a red line for Nations in the past.

@MisterBrausepulver 2 жыл бұрын

@@MAXlMUS Well, the planes need to start from some airbase to get into Ukraine. And if you allow ukraine soldiers to start from your airport you are also actively involved in the conflict, just like Belarus that allows russian soldiers to enter Ukraine via their soil. That's the main problem with NATO supplying Fighter Jets. Besides that it's likely that the few planes will be quickly shot down by russian air defense.

@flux2982 2 жыл бұрын

I completely disagree with a no fly zone. WWIII is going to come out of it and Russia has already threatened to use nuclear weapons, I really hope Ukraine gets through it. But it’s just too much of a risk to establish a no-fly zone.

@cheezzypotato1194 2 жыл бұрын

It would take more than putin to use a nuke..takes putin + 3 generals to launch one, takes one person to stop the nuke

@ChillyNuts4u 2 жыл бұрын

Ww3 will happen eventually from this, it might be 10 years away, but putin is 69yrs old and has a russian empire ambition. We have 20yrs topps

@StudioUAC 2 жыл бұрын

let's do it! i'm tired of this world!

@GHfan4life 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. I’m sad for Ukraine but it’s not worth the risk

@540058 2 жыл бұрын

We still get WW3 if Ukraine lose. Putin wont just stop at Ukraine.

@Lodestar. 2 жыл бұрын

Very intriguing

@markflour 2 жыл бұрын

Love the video.

@maximeclermont6339 2 жыл бұрын

To my comprehension, a no fly-zone does not only mean that you shot enemy aircraft in the no fly zone, it also imply that you must protect your aircraft by shooting ground targets most likely in Russia's ground. It is an euphemism for war.

@The_Hagseed 2 жыл бұрын

Russia relies on a rail system built in the 1800's to move their army around. Ooooohhh.... Soooooooo advanced! What a joke. Just like Putin. Just like all of you Russian trolls commenting on here.

@oleksandr7317 2 жыл бұрын

As Zelenskiy said, Ukraine requested from NATO planes, they were even ready to buy it from alliance. Military found pilots and logistics agreed transportation. The only thing was necessary to give it to Ukraine in order to protect the country/Europe and fight with Putin. I don't understand why it's not possible. This is compromise which doesn't lead to WW3.

@TheRPGminer 2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Hagseed Let me ask something, so how should troops and tanks be transferred? Planes are expensive and inefficient and it will take a lot of time to move a big force. But if we look at the railways: cheap, efficient and reliable. Train can carry 40-100 times weight than a cargo plane.

@TheRPGminer 2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Hagseed Teleportation would be the next improvement, but I don't see it coming in this century

@RomanianReaver 2 жыл бұрын

@@oleksandr7317 Because there's redlines on what you can give combatants before becoming involved, defacto, in the war. Small arms are not planes and the rules have changed quite a bit since the lend-lease shenanigans of the 1940s.

@pelicans456 2 жыл бұрын

"We want to protect the people of Kyiv, let's establish a no-fly zone!" "Uhh... are the people of Kyiv immune to nuclear war?"

@epicapexplays8467 2 жыл бұрын

@@ichijofestival2576 ukraine is gone, russia will control it in the next weeks, and they will take control of any other non-nato country that they like, but nato countries are the red lines that they can't cross because they know that they can't win WW3.

@RuslanKvitnevyi 2 жыл бұрын

Chornobyl is nearby, so YES

@TheFinalChapters 2 жыл бұрын

@@ichijofestival2576 Depends on the alliances those countries have. NATO countries are a bright red line that Russia knows is MAD to cross. Any countries with nuclear alliances is a similar red line. The only reason Ukraine is suffering like this right now, beyond Putin's own ambitions, is because of the lack of such an alliance.

@dziczek114 2 жыл бұрын

@@epicapexplays8467 you cant say that. putin thought ukraine would be under control within few days but its already two weeks and theres nearly no progress

@KaiserMattTygore927 2 жыл бұрын

exactly.

@realnand0. 2 жыл бұрын

what’s funny is that people think their are rules in war

@Nefarion90 2 жыл бұрын

Air superiority doesn't mean much nowadays, at least not as much as it has meant before, because nowadays even from the ground you can threaten the enemy air forces with surface-to-air systems (like Patriot or S-300) or even manpads (like Stinger or Javelin).

@slumzur 2 жыл бұрын

Patriots and S-300 can be defeated, like any other radar guided weapons. Stingers are not that effective against big formations of planes or if they fly higher than 2 km.

@dominicsmith6287 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for making this video, it really helps ellaborate on why a no fly zone is such a debated topic at the moment. Im just very sad to see some people don't understand the gravity of this current predicament.

@MAXlMUS 2 жыл бұрын

@subzero8344 2 жыл бұрын

@@MAXlMUS did you not watch the video?

@pieppy6058 2 жыл бұрын

It’s not debated amongst people who ca do anything

@Simon-tc1mc 2 жыл бұрын

A no fly zone would be the dumbest thing ever. A no fly zone is instant ww3.

@Alexander.Portnoy 2 жыл бұрын

It already began

@draker769 2 жыл бұрын

@@Alexander.Portnoy I don't see bomb flying down here in Berlin

@umaryusuf537 2 жыл бұрын

@@Alexander.Portnoy no it hasn’t 🙄

@sahzodirgashev3133 2 жыл бұрын

@@Alexander.Portnoy You guys are giving yourselves too much credit.

@Mooshanmut 2 жыл бұрын

@@Alexander.Portnoy no

@user-cy2iq1gl1t 2 жыл бұрын

Some have said the Russian Air Force is having issue motivating some of their pilots especially at the higher command levels to carry out his orders. And the pilots loyalties are split.

@jaadutona007 2 жыл бұрын

Information warfare

@kaladore6798 2 жыл бұрын

but still bombing civillians

@mike-cc3dd 2 жыл бұрын

You actually believe this?

@user-cy2iq1gl1t 2 жыл бұрын

@@mike-cc3dd Sounds a lot more believable than Putin is just deciding not to use the majority of his air force because he’s a nice guy.

@raylevi5343 2 жыл бұрын

@@user-cy2iq1gl1t Maybe he expects further conflict. Or maybe it's a test.

@user-sq6sb6iz4p 2 жыл бұрын

Nice jobs,thanks share

@equinox-XVI 2 жыл бұрын

So a no-fly zone would immensely help Ukraine but would also probably be a major escalating factor that would take this from a regional conflict to WWIII

@The_Jazziest_Coffee 2 жыл бұрын

basically, or in reality it would make things worse for ukraine, cuz when the war escalates, putin and the russian military will probably have more drastic measures (more civilian casualties, stronger and more lethal weapons)

@nukenet1 2 жыл бұрын

If you're calling for a no fly zone, you have an overly simplified understanding of what it is, how it works and the amount of control you'll have after it is effected. Calling for a No Fly zone at the moment is basically calling the bluff of the worlds largest nuclear power and daring them to use it. I can see why the people on the ground are calling for it, because they have rockets landing in their homes and can't imagine life getting worse, unfortunately, worse, much worse, & catastrophically worse are all options available to Mr Putin.

@young_bunnyhop5208 2 жыл бұрын

Well put

@denzy374 2 жыл бұрын

It’ll probably be a bluff but Putin will definitely use it if he’s very desperate and he will be desperate when he’s losing the war and the support back in Russia.

@TheFinalChapters 2 жыл бұрын

@@denzy374 It's not the immediate use of nukes that you should be worried about, but the fog of war causing neither NATO nor Russia to be able to tell what the other is doing with their nukes. A no fly zone means world war III, and world war III means the nukes are flying.

@yzrippin 2 жыл бұрын

If you're calling for one superpower to engage in a proxy war via a small country with another superpower both nuclear Powers I think you have a simplified understanding of the way the world works

@raylopez99 2 жыл бұрын

@@denzy374 Putin can nuke the West right now if he wants to. I doubt he does it since his generals might now carry out the order, they know Russia would cease to exist. Putin is bluffing. But I don't want to call his bluff, not in the USA's interest.

@jackharrington6397 2 жыл бұрын

Finally someone talks sensibly about a no fly zone

@DarkKnight-wj3kc 2 жыл бұрын

Don't ever poke the bear or you will be eaten stay out of things and let it slide not doing anything is the best option *no fly zone* this war is the red tape we don't wanna cross not helping the few will help the lot......

@bredsheeran2897 2 жыл бұрын

What did Ukraine ever do to deserve this? Poor civilians.

@Sweaty__Sheep 2 жыл бұрын

Donating millions to the Clintons

@helloitsme3 2 жыл бұрын

omg what are u talking about, or white i might to talking to bot

@draker769 2 жыл бұрын

Their leader poke the bear

@lgbtsrgro0mrs36 2 жыл бұрын

When they attacked the Donbas and allowed the US to conduct bio lab experiments in their country.

@Shaboops 2 жыл бұрын

@@lgbtsrgro0mrs36 You're actually delusional if you seriously believe that.

@CakeScouts 2 жыл бұрын

Ahhh yes, another repeat of Libya, except this time it’s with someone who can actually fight back against 40+ countries at once

@tiseril 2 жыл бұрын

Thing is, if they don't utilise the full amount of planes right now, they might not be able to do so in the future, as more and more repair parts are not delivered

@dustinmorrison6315 2 жыл бұрын

Ironic how a no-fly zone would have a lot of flying going on.

@genericuser1454 2 жыл бұрын

Counterpoint: No, I don't want to get nuked, thank you very much

@akolyt 2 жыл бұрын

NATO countries have nukes too, russia using a nuke will be the end of russia therefore it's unlikely for nukes to ever be used

@StudioUAC 2 жыл бұрын

nuke away the student loans.

@TheFinalChapters 2 жыл бұрын

@@akolyt World War III, which would come directly as a result of a No Fly Zone, would create countless situations that would inevitably result in nukes flying.

@ukraineismyhome277 2 жыл бұрын

Well, it'll happen soon :)

@jsnel9185 2 жыл бұрын

I wonder if people believe Putin will stop in Ukraine? As a Hungarian american whose family fled the soviet union, I feel like we should consider putin is, after all, a true soviet era russian cheerleader. He probably wacks it to pics of the cold war.

@marotonin7620 2 жыл бұрын

He can't attack countries in NATO

@timkamazik 2 жыл бұрын

@@marotonin7620 lol you are so optimistic haha

@ntdscherer 2 жыл бұрын

@@marotonin7620 Of course he can. It's just not clear yet whether he is willing to.

@lancejames1916 2 жыл бұрын

@@ntdscherer He will if he wants ww3, by treaty all of NATO comes to any treaty country under attack so that means most of europe.

@giantsashavor7809 2 жыл бұрын

@@ntdscherer well he said he cant fight nato and russia is not strong enough to beat NATO.

@FielValeryRTS 2 жыл бұрын

US, just send Avengers. They always win.

@Pyrus425 2 жыл бұрын

Lets just call it a “shootdown zone” maybe that’ll get the message through

@boom1708 2 жыл бұрын

People need to stop using the term "no fly zone". It would be more appropriatly called a "declaration of war".

@ladhkay 2 жыл бұрын

Easy to call for a NFZ but to enforce it? that's a whole different ball game

@theblindmonkshow1543 2 жыл бұрын

NFZ looks like NFT 🤣🤣 We want a NoFlyTone (NFT)

@EweChewBrrr01 2 жыл бұрын

UGH I hate flies. I wish my house was a no fly zone.

@gregmcb5305 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I think it’s a good idea I think there’s a way we can do this. I just gotta make sure we don’t the first shot

@ukraineisnotrussia6810 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks to everyone that support my Ukraine, the enemy is strong but were are stronger

@Arangggg 2 жыл бұрын

Most of eastern ukraine speak russian

@JewTube001 2 жыл бұрын

I'd prefer if you surrendered instead of dragging us into WW3/Nuclear war.

@alekseiloboda2553 2 жыл бұрын

Have you already fled to Poland, Taras?

@ukraineisnotrussia6810 2 жыл бұрын

@@JewTube001 ehhhm im agaist no fly zone thars first second, no we are not going to surrender

@ukraineisnotrussia6810 2 жыл бұрын

@@alekseiloboda2553 i have been living in Norway for 8 years

@19katherine1213 2 жыл бұрын

The world seriously needs to grow a backbone. You can’t keep worrying about “what ifs”. What matters is what’s happening right now.

@deerinheadlights9784 2 жыл бұрын

With you

@russell6075 2 жыл бұрын

Russia shouldn’t be flying into Ukraine in the first place them entering their airspace is them starting a war not the other way round

@noobyt3559 2 жыл бұрын

if ur such a warmonger then go to ukraine and fight there yourself instead of being a selfish warmonger

@PipinhoSnow 2 жыл бұрын

I hope the war stop NOW!!!

@christopherwhite829 2 жыл бұрын

Peace at all costs is not peace it is the absence of war

@Kokozaftran 2 жыл бұрын

No - don't call it a "No Fly Zone". Call it a "Special No-Aircraft Location"

@MysteryOfMovies 2 жыл бұрын

Special no-aircraft location operation to depollute the air molecules above Ukraine

@IndigoIndustrial 2 жыл бұрын

Or send up thousands of drones with automatic attack set to "ON". It's like walking around punching air and if anyone gets in the way "that's their fault".

@kimm6589 2 жыл бұрын

ok Comrade Poopin. lol

@ciaranbrk 2 жыл бұрын

Exactly and as a sovereign leader the Ukrainian president is within his rights to ask for one over Ukrainian airspace.

@SunnyGoga 2 жыл бұрын

Yessss

@dmytrok8998 2 жыл бұрын

I am Ukrainian, and i understand that no fly zone is too much to ask, we appreciate any kind of help, and any kind of sanctions against russia. For sure NATO should not fight our war. I don't know weather ukraine is going to win this war, or not, but i am sure that russia has already lost. I hope this sanctions won't be lifted until russia will ditch it's nukes. The whole reason of this conflict is russians believe that they are still superpower and should have influence around the globe, but the truth is that they have nothing but nukes, no people, no economy and no strong allies. This war should end this once and forever

@0b1onekenobi5 2 жыл бұрын

100 % . Плешивый плюет на весь миропорядок. Самоуверенный до усрачки. Мнимое величие затуманило голову ему и многим россиянам. Но пока наши западные партнеры тянут мы гибнем и разрушаются наши города. Сколько еще украинцев должно умереть. Почему США не смогло гарантировать нам суверенитет и территориальную целостность после того, как мы стали безоружными. Они просто обязаны закрыть нам небо.

@vinhbao9738 2 жыл бұрын

this conflict only push other nations to produce nukes because its a deterrence against NATO.

@ntdscherer 2 жыл бұрын

Nothing but nukes... so they are very unlikely to give them up.

@luckyluke1503 2 жыл бұрын

Of course Russia is wrong for invading Ukraine but Ukraine is also to blame for this mess. They clearly knew Putin had enough of NATO expansion and would not let Ukraine to join NATO. And you are dreaming if you think Russia is all Nukes. It’s full of great people, Great culture and so many great things like people in Ukraine. I just hope this war ends ASAP.

@tru_savage2255 2 жыл бұрын

@@luckyluke1503 I think he means the current state. Most of the population is old, the society is currently totalitarian. And the economy is going downhill