Same for me Lawrence. I have tinnitus in my left ear. It's rare to find any discussion concerning tinnitus and hifi.

I am in my early 60s and developed tinnitus about 15 years ago, I think due to an ear infection. I hear a 9k tone in my right ear constantly but can still hear up to 11k. Recently put in home theater which is great for movies, but would like to return to my audiophile days when I was younger by adding Magnepan's. But when I listen to some of my old softer, quieter tracks, I am totally distracted by my tinnitus. I don't think the return to audiophile listening is worth it. Very sad. If someone could cure tinnitus, they would be a billionaire.

Im from Denmark. I have tinnitus too. But still enjoy music and my hifi

I'm 60 and started with Tinnitus about 10 years ago. But I sitll can enjoy my stereo and my old records. Greetings from Sao Paulo, Brazil!

My hearing is shot. I have some loss in my right ear.

@@jogmas12 this is life... My right ear suffered Sudden hearing loss two years ago , fortunately it recovered a bit and my left ear is perfect, but high frequency loss in the right ear is still significant . For most people the hearing frequency response is very curved one reason ' listening to the music' is a subjective matter. Enjoy the life and music regardless.... btw "Beethoven first noticed difficulties with his hearing decades earlier, sometime in 1798, when he was about 28. By the time he was 44 or 45, he was totally deaf"....

Our hearing doesn't cut off at a particular frequencies but drops with some curve in the treble. It's like a low pass filter that shifts by age and you can actually EQ it and get the details back. I call this a rejuvenation EQ and personally I boost treble around 16kHz with 6dB to get my hearing back to how it used to be. Usual tone controls are quite useless for this as they mess up the lower frequencies of treble also.

@@ThinkingBetter It depends on how the tone controls work. The problem with passive electronics is that it can cause phase issues. I have a LegacyAudio Wavelet which is a digital preamp, which also does room correction (so a lot going on). All tone control (6 bands) is done in the digital domain. With Vinyl, I have a smile type contour, where the 50Hz range has a 2.5dB bump, the midrange is unchanged and the brilliance (10KHz) has a 1 dB bump. However, with my streamer, I actually have brilliance at a -1.5 dB adjustment, as digital seems to be brighter. I tend to prefer the vinyl "sound". Details are not specific to high frequency. Details depend on the speed of the drivers and ability to trace the input waveform. The enjoyment of music comes from the emotional aspects that can be transmitted. Sound stage and instrument separation helps with the enjoyment. Removing the ability to hear very high frequencies may remove some aspects to the music, but would not impact either the emotional or sound stage aspects. If you try listening to 10kHz tones, you may find that you probably don't hear this much in music. ie. High frequencies might usually only last for very short periods of time, where you may not even notice due to the complexity of the music itself. I have been testing a USB cable which seems to push through very high levels of high frequency, beyond what I could hear. I could feel sensations within my auditory canal but could not hear the sound itself. Even though I couldn't hear the sound, it negatively affected my hearing, so that high frequencies that I could hear became a bit painful. It took about one hour for my ears to get back to normal. A lot of music emotion comes from rhythm and melody, and these are a frequencies that tend to be quite low.

@@matthewbarrow3727 Of course the enjoyment and emotions are what matter. But when you have grown up with very detailed sound reproduction including higher treble harmonics (I bought my first electrostatic headphones at age 15 in the 80s) you want to maintain it and our sensory system and brain aren't getting better by age. Nowadays I use DSP for EQ. Of course, some details of instruments are found in the harmonics that reaches into the higher treble above 10kHz. Actually the difference is huge for much of the music I listen to when I EQ +6dB at 16kHz with Q=1.8. Any treble that is boosted around 4-10kHz will create annoying siblings as my hearing works fine in this range thus any traditional tone control will just ruin the treble. Actually I work in audio professionally and can sense frequency response deviations around +/-2dB between 100Hz and 8kHz using a sine wave sweep (my favorite is the tone generator of the Studio 6 Digital app, where you can easily sweep anywhere in the room). To me it's quite silly that those people who think that audio above 10kHz doesn't matter often also are into things that absolutely do not matter (e.g. power cables). DSD and higher sample rate PCM are mainly about achieving better precision (phase) in that same higher treble region. Of course with a DSP you can do linear phase EQ.

@@ThinkingBetter Very high frequencies (above hearing levels) can have an impact. I have amps and speakers that go up to 30KHz. I remember having a friend over for a demo of my last set of speakers (Legacy Audio Aeris). He told me that the experience felt like something he had experienced at a R&D demo of an ultra-high frequency wave gun (not a weapon) being pointed at his head. What happens is that the very high frequency (above human hearing) can cause the skull to resonate, which results in a sound that cannot be localized. When I first demoed the speakers that I have (Legacy Audio Valors) at the factory, they were likely experimenting with it, where hiss (which tends to be above the 10KHz range) was very audible when I moved my head past the sides of the sofa. However, when sitting on the sofa, it created a magical effect. I was listening to a track by Sting, where it felt like he was waist deep in a bayou with music that felt like mist on the surface of the water surrounding the singer. It felt to me that the sound had a definite misty texture to it. I had never experienced anything like it before. I think that very interesting things can be done at very high frequencies which impact the sound.

Thanks! Yeah, I am an old shit but that's never kept me down. I seem to be able to get more done than most people. Probably helps to be slightly nuts.

@@Paulmcgowanpsaudio Classic, lol!

it would seem that compression and EQ escape the younger generation these days. I can't tell you how often TV programs have trashy audio because they seem to be using auto-duck instead of compression. Yeah, I get the idea of trying to maintain a higher audio level to gain signal to noise ratio, but the end result here (in my mind) is louder background music and lower speech recognition, which is problematic for those of us who have a partner trying to sleep while we watch TV in bed.

Yes, beyond anything else I have found, purpose of being-excited to get up in the morning-diet, and exercise seem to at least make life fun and engaging.

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i dont agree.. i miss my highs i can not eq a live concert but i can eq my gear at home, so i do

I totally agree with you but many hifi fools out there will argue all day over this.

@@endrizo I'm with you on this.like everyone goin into room acoustics I didn't like it behind me because I lost even more treble.An audiologist will boast frequencies you've lost if you need an hearing aid!.so why don't we as listeners do the same to get closer to the actual sound that it should be.but do the sound engineers who do the recordings go by frequencies or by there own ears????.

@@markclancy5371 well the engineer does what he wants in his studio... so we can do what we want at home.

@@endrizo audiophiles have always said in the past EQ is bad your adding something in the signal path.but now with the likes of Dirac which is a form of Eq.your room and your ears are the biggest flaw!.your bang on what you say about engineers!but we want the sound that we like and the arguments about what is right or wrong in audio its about what you like at the end of the day.

I did similar for many years, although part time. (FOH / loud music) What I have noticed recently is at age 68 the audio fatigue sets in sooner and lasts longer. I use ear plugs a lot, but not 100% of the time. IOW, I take them out to check EQ and such, then put them back in and continue to mix. Basically, the old ears are not as resilient as they once were, and it takes an hour or more to recuperate from a few minutes of no protection. I have also been subject to industrial noise for many decades, but have been carrying ear plugs in my pocket for the last 25 years because full ear protection (ear muffs) are too bulky to bring everywhere. Hearing wise, I know I roll off after 10Khz, but I haven't had the actual Db roll-off checked in years.

@@rupe53 Yes sadly, at our age, everything is downhill... But like Paul says - the brain is an amazing thing. It makes CD error correction and MP3 compression look very basic indeed.

Picking up frequency outside you hearing ability is harmonics at work.

I've got more loss in 1 ear then the other it's a pain when I use headphones but I just EQ it and don't really notice it that much with speakers other then abit of balance control.but I think the brain fills in alot.just as teenagers can hear upto 20khz but most of them don't actually listen to the music and content with thinking airpobs and mp3 sound good.which when I listen with them I think it sound terrible and half the sound is missing.

Enjoy it and take care of your hearing. ;)

when I listen to my system, so do my neighbors!

@@rupe53 ...😂😂😂

@@paulzehner9419 ... it helps if your neighbors like the same music and actually ask you to turn it up.

@@rupe53 ...I used to take that chance in my mini van fitted with a custom stereo. If I saw bobbing heads as I drove by , I knew they liked it, lol.

@@paulzehner9419 ... You're probably old enough to appreciate this: a few years ago I was standing on a corner and heard a thumping car stereo in the distance and eventually an older Nissan 300 ZX came down the street. Ok, we're thinking rap music and a gear head kid. As he got closer I could distinctly make out Jethro Tull's Locomotive Breath pounding away with an older guy behind the wheel drumming on the dash with one hand. What a way to age gracefully!

Yes, internal noise does increase, as the brain tries to compensate and boost sensitivity to those frequencies which the ears are no longer bringing through very well. I have a constant background noise, which is at very high frequencies, above the cutoff of my ears.

Ha! There was a time when I could walk into a department store and follow the sound of flyback transformers to the TV section. One day it dawned on me that they didn't use them anymore but by that time my hearing was probably going downhill.

i've read many articles that say when listening to a tone generator to set the volume level at 1k to medium or a little higher. If you reach a point in the higher frequencies when you can't hear it any more, don't turn it up louder. The high pitch frequencies can further damage your hearing. That pain you felt should be a big clue.

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