How ALIEN’s Nostromo Became a Space Big Rig

How ALIEN’s Nostromo Became a Space Big Rig | Making ALIEN

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Alien won the Academy Award for best visual effects for its intense and gruesome alien effects as well as its amazing use of miniatures. One of the coolest spaceship designs ever put on film is the Nostromo, where most of the story takes place. But coming up with the look of the ship’s exterior was a bit of a nightmare. No one had made a movie like Alien before and finding the right design that would be both realistic and stylized would be very tricky to pull off. Perfecting the outer design of the Nostromo would take the blood, sweat, and tears of Scott, the chief concepts artists Ron Cobb and Chris Foss, and a few other characters who might surprise you.
There were a gazillion designs for the Nostromo, but how and why did they go with the one that appears in the movie and how did they make it look so realistic?
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@lolglolblol 2 ай бұрын

I love how the Nostromo feels real. It feels lived in, like a real work place with history. Every imperfection only strengthens that, like any damages had been repaired with a macgyver'd solution.

@nealwhaley63 Жыл бұрын

Making the ship a rig opened a lot of doors for the story: it’s not a vessel designed to make first contact, nor is the crew trained to do so. It’s the first time they have to actually deal with outer space as opposed to just sleeping through it. And they discover they are not up to the task.

@tomasinacovell4293 11 ай бұрын

I thought it was just an asteroid mining vessel, not a deep space vessel, more of something designed for like an off-shore oil drilling platform, not that imaginative just utilitarian, so it seems somewhat out of place?

@deadsi 4 ай бұрын

I like that none of them deserve to die (except that b* lambert ;) ) if it had been military guys as originally planned you'd be kinda expecting them to get killed. Them being regular, decent people thrust into it against their wills and dying very unfairly really adds to the reality of the world

@toddaulner5393 3 ай бұрын

Yes! Matter of fact their weapons they used.

@spaceflight1019 Ай бұрын

@@tomasinacovell4293The Nostromo is a towing vessel designed to move things like that refinery. It doesn't have to be pretty.

@hendrsb33 Жыл бұрын

I recall a hilarious quote from sci-fi artist Chris Foss when asked what inspired the unique designs of his spaceships. He jokingly answered that he took pictures of them whenever he saw them flying by. 😅

@steampunknord 2 ай бұрын

They do look very similar to an artifact on one of the photos my mother took of the sky.

@RobSchofield 9 күн бұрын

Chris lives just down the road here - he wasn't joking; when he says stuff like that with a smile on his face, he's *SERIOUS*.....

@the_lost_navigator Жыл бұрын

17:10 - I agree with Mr. Scott. As a young model-maker back then, the crooked lights made me scream, though nobody heard me...

@joshm3484 10 ай бұрын

RIP to the probably hundreds of model planes, trains, battleships, and tanks, that gave their little plastic lives to create these cool models.

@qarljohnson4971 Жыл бұрын

"It all began in 1975 Paris, with Jodorowsky's DUNE." That pre-production crew is the actual genesis of what eventually made as "Alien".

@ianbauer4703 Жыл бұрын

Amazing job as always. In my mind, Chris Foss was THE sci-fi illustrator of the 1970s and brought a lot of that decade's highly creative futurism (and fantasyism, if that's a word) into great films like "Alien."

@FiliusFidelis Жыл бұрын

I LOVE this ship, can't offhand think of a single spaceship more impressive than this one, outside and in. It has.. presence. And yeah, you'd think, especially by today's standards that the de-coupling scene, landfall and landing would be boring.. it is not, even now after several decades it is mesmerizing and thrilling.

@Jarumo76 Жыл бұрын

Yes ! The landing sequence is great ! Convincing model work + amazing score by Jerry Goldsmith really make the scene.

@NameNotAlreadyTaken2 8 ай бұрын

Thing is, well-done miniature shots tend to always look better than CGI, so that's why it holds up so well. There so few CGI spaceships that don't look like trash.

@mrkeogh 3 ай бұрын

And to think it's just a bunch of truckers detaching their trailer and taking a little trip down to the surface due to - sigh - contractual obligations to the Company (Dallas is just going through the motions), Brett and Parkers' greed, Kane's curiosity. Their mundane is our extraordinary.

@nomadmarauder-dw9re 3 ай бұрын

As a truck driver I agree. My motto is Keep it boring. If it gets exciting, somebody messed up; and it's probably you. Also, Nostromo is a cab over.

@spaceflight1019 Ай бұрын

@@mrkeoghParker and Brett didn't want anything to do with investigating anything. Ash and Dallas forced them into it.

@rdbury507 Жыл бұрын

17:55 "Traveling matte" - After nearly 40 years I finally "got" the pun with the name of the uncle in Fraggle Rock. The best kind of pun are the ones that go over the heads of most people, and then, maybe, decades later they put it together with something else and finally realize there was a hidden meaning.

@DrWhom Жыл бұрын

did you ever "get" Bat Guano?

@Jaaack7 Жыл бұрын

I thought this was going to be about the 1996 cinematic masterpiece starting Dennis Hopper and Charles Dance, Space Truckers.

@danirizary6926 Жыл бұрын

I just rewatched it a couple days ago, it has held up ok.

@ryangettig274 Жыл бұрын

Also starring Stephen Dorff!Love the Dorff:)

@blockmasterscott Жыл бұрын

I loved Space Truckers!

@MyMarsham Жыл бұрын

Oh man! Square pigs!

@NIN1 Жыл бұрын

Space Truckers - 1996 - 95 minutes. 5 bags of popcorn and throw in a miniature trucker hat you can put on your desk

@RM_VFX 11 ай бұрын

Almost all the models ended up with a guy in Woodland Hills, CA, who kind of arbitrarily became the caretaker of props from all the films. The Notstromo and I think the Derelict ended up in his back yard under tarps. Imagine Fox just giving you all this stuff to borrow, and letting it rot next to your shed, in Los Angeles heat 😅

@vincentgoupil180 2 ай бұрын

Woodlands, CA ? This "collector" may be one of the hoarders on the Arts & Entertainment series "Hoarders" ?

@guard13007 Жыл бұрын

17:11 "It always bothered me that the lights underneath, that we couldn't get in a straight line, that drove me crazy but we eventually had to shoot." The lights being very off of straight was one of the details that most made it feel realistic and lived in to me. The fact that it looks like it's obviously been banged up and repaired haphazardly a few times helps to offset the interior occasionally seeming too perfectly well maintained. I remember when I first saw this movie as a kid, that landing shot, with the screwed up lights, really was the point where I bought into the world. Before that, it was too retro-futuristic to me.

@mindbomb9341 Жыл бұрын

Exactly. These crooked lights are simply... epic. Like, "this shit means business".

@Clay3613 Жыл бұрын

Kinda wish they went with the original neon.

@wolfbyte3171 Жыл бұрын

I have to admit, the wonky lights is the one thing I don't like. It looks like someone strung Christmas lights under a model. But I can generally overlook it.

@mindbomb9341 Жыл бұрын

@@wolfbyte3171 Hahahah. Cool. But that pales in comparison to the totally horrible "Ash's head in white milk". It is by FAAAAR the worst world-wrecking effect of the movie. I wish they would redo it since there isn't a lot of actor action in it and it is a HORRIBLE rubber head anyway.

@jonahulichny9874 3 ай бұрын

@@Clay3613 I personally think that the neon would have, ironically, made the spaceship too futuristic looking. Going for the whole space trucker vibe, I think the lights fit that vibe better.

@BrokenCurtain Жыл бұрын

Thanks for shining a spotlight on concept artists like Ron Cobb and Chris Foss. I hate how their work and creative genius constantly gets ignored. Movies like Alien and Star Wars wouldn't exist without people like them.

@railgap Жыл бұрын

Ron Cobb's early editorial cartoons are worth seeking out as well.

@Ruylopez778 Жыл бұрын

One thing that comes across with Kubrick, Scott, Coppola (and Lucas) is how a singular vision can steer an unwieldy and abstract project through a sea of chaos and elevate it from something potentially cliched to the truly magical, but also how the chaos and constraints or failures become part of the beauty. It's so compelling to see how much happenstance and self doubt or uncertainty there is in these iconic movies.

@justinklenk Жыл бұрын

Well said. If anyone on the production team must have a singular vision, it's the director, huh.

@M60gunner1971 Жыл бұрын

@@justinklenkI must ask you to prove this.

@justinklenk Жыл бұрын

@@M60gunner1971 Well, I said that because it's the DIRECTOR who - once a cohesive story and script are extant - is the "orchestra's" CONDUCTOR, cohesively weaving together all the elements of story and production, all the skills and talents of the team, with his/her singular VISION which they see and feel and truly believe to be the best expression, OF that source, that they can muster to be expressed in the motion picture which will be its final cinematographic translation. Really and truly, EXACTLY as a conductor conducts the symphonic orchestration. I used to wonder, when younger, why this "conductor" guy was necessary: I mean, HE wasn't doing jack shit, everyone ELSE was creating the talented, effortful musical creation - right?? But now I understand his/her singular role... The director is a/the conductor - they are the singular leader of the GROUP'S expression of a singular progression - the story expressed in a moving picture.

@shanequastunningbrave5376 Жыл бұрын

Ruy what you're describing is otherwise known as how a film is made

@Ruylopez778 Жыл бұрын

@@shanequastunningbrave5376 No, I'm describing ambitious directors making iconic movies like 2001, FMJ, Alien, Blade Runner, Apocalypse Now, and Star Wars that changed pop culture & the cinematic landscape by pushing their production to the limit and beyond down to their passion and belief in their vision. 'How a film is made' includes the humdrum and generic movies produced by committee or ruined by studio interference, that are forgettable and derivative. Nobody makes videos about those, because nobody is moved or inspired by them.

@AnalogOpher 10 ай бұрын

The Nostromo is a work of unparalled genius, never to be surpassed, as is the entire film.

@TheRealNormanBates Жыл бұрын

6:13 that is the "Lobster design" Cobb did for the Derelict that O'Bannon liked more than what Giger created. He was actually pretty upset (though got over it fairly quickly) that the studio and Scott picked Giger's design.

@M60gunner1971 Жыл бұрын

Do you have proof? Are you prepared to go to court?!

@notforglory4012 Жыл бұрын

I love everything O'Bannon and Cobb ever touched. Truly unrecognized geniuses (and very obvious sci-fi freaks).

@brycesuderow3576 Жыл бұрын

The Joseph Conrad novel Nostromo has nothing to do with any ship named Nostromo. Nostromo is the main character that the novel is about.

@1003196110031961 18 күн бұрын

1979 at the drive-in, the Nostromo landing was the coolest shot I had ever seen. No amount of CGI today could out-do what those artists did with practicle effects.

@SaturnCanuck Жыл бұрын

Another great video in this series. I have “The Book of Alien” which came out during the movie’s release, as well as Ron Cobb’s "Colorvision” that details his movie work, so I am familiar with the design process. I actually used Ron Cobb’s “Snark” design as the basis for one of my own projects. Cobb was a true visionary and he is sadly missed.

@dukecraig2402 Жыл бұрын

Yep, production designer on Conan The Barbarian and he even had a small part in it as the guy who sells them "Styngian, black lotus, the best!!!" He did some design work on Star Wars also, some of the creatures in the cantina scene were his design.

@zeronightex Жыл бұрын

Ron Cobb was a genius. I've always loved his stuff. I recently picked up The Art of Ron Cobb book and it's fantastic stuff.

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

I have The Book Of Alien too! I bought it before I was old enough to see the movie and the concept art blew my mind! I still have that book, 4 decades on, as well as "Gigers Alien" and "Alien Vault".

@SaturnCanuck Жыл бұрын

@martinharris5017 I bought before I had seen the movie. I was technically too young as well, I was 15 and agreed - the concepts blew my mind.

@orangelion03 Жыл бұрын

Got to love good practical model effects! Even knowing it was a model, you felt the Nostromo was massive!

@orangelion03 Жыл бұрын

And bad practical effects are always more fun to watch than bad digital ones =P

@d4mdcykey Жыл бұрын

One of the (many) fascinating things in your videos is how we get to see the seemingly endless, small yet crucial aspects it takes for a film to reach final release. One tiny alteration in concept, design, or intent at any stage and the entirety of the film changes from what we have always known and loved to something...alien. Superb content, Tyler.

@randyreynaldo8401 Жыл бұрын

Small clarification: Nostromo is the name of the title character in Joseph Conrad's novel--not the name of a ship in the story.

@gregbors8364 Жыл бұрын

R.I.P. Dan O’Bannon, director of “Return of the Living Dead” and “The Resurrected”

@ryangettig274 Жыл бұрын

Heaven Bless Him!:)Original seeds of Alien-Paris 1975,O'Bannon meets Jodorowsky who introduces him to Giger!It's all there in Memory:The Origin Of Alien which I recommend to you,brother:)

@fredbloggs5902 Жыл бұрын

Many of the works by Chris Foss shown here were later used as book covers for authors like Asimov.

@MajorJakas Жыл бұрын

Trash slapped over treasure.

@orangelion03 Жыл бұрын

I still have the copy of 21st Century Foss I bought in 1978. And I bought any SF paperback or music album that had his art on the cover.

@fredbloggs5902 Жыл бұрын

@@orangelion03 Yes! I have that, I also have the Roger Dean one.

@MrMarceloVentura Жыл бұрын

@@orangelion03I lost mine , regrettably

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

The other way 'round: It was Foss's artwork for Asimov and co. that led to his involvement with Dune and subsequently Alien and Superman.

@adamc.sieracki4145 Жыл бұрын

So Ron Cobb worked on two of my favorite movies, Sleeping Beauty and Alien? Respect and R.I.P., Sir.

@diggingattycho7908 Жыл бұрын

The models didn't go directly to storage. They were on display in a museum in downtown Los Angles, along with sets, props and costumes. In the summer of 1979. I know this because I saw them in person. I only with I could have taken pictures(they were not allowed). Unfortunately I do not remember the name of the museum, that was about 44 years ago. It was near the LA Olympic stadium. I'm sure the building is long gone.

@probablynotmyname8521 Жыл бұрын

According to wikipedia some of the models were displayed outside a cinema on release this is likely where saw them rather than a museum (which would have been weird for a new film).

@1903tx Жыл бұрын

I read somewhere it was stored in a guy's driveway with a tarp over it. That'd jibe with the possum skeletons on the inside

@TheRealNormanBates Жыл бұрын

@@1903tx I can't remember his name, but it's a "B" word, and he was friends with Forrest Ackerman, who was another avid collector. The B guy had the Derelict in his backyard, along with the Nostromo if I remember correctly. The Nostromo was remodeled and repaired a few years ago, and I think it's somewhere in the UK.

@steveharrison9901 Жыл бұрын

Bob Burns? That should be easy to verify then, as he had many friends who would come and see his collection. The only reason I might question if he did own it for a time is, where are the photographs? Someone, some fan of the day ( we were getting more pushy about these things back then, don’t ya know? 😁) would have gone and taken a few dozen rolls of film worth of pics. It’s not like Burns could HIDE the dang thing if his ownership was in any way considered questionable, right? Burns did a book about his collection some time back, would he have mentioned his ownership if he had passed it on? I would have were it me.

@aliensoup2420 Жыл бұрын

Sounds like it might have been the old Air and Space Museum on the USC campus - Exposition Park. I visited the museum in the Fall of 1979, but don't remember seeing anything related to Alien. Now the park hosts the Space Shuttle Endeavor at the California Science Center.

@vincentgoupil180 8 ай бұрын

Cobb & Foss & Scott & O'Bannon... ... 14:56 looks like H.R. Geiger in the upper background Thanks for sorting it all out

@stuboyd1194 3 ай бұрын

The Nostromo still looks great. I was watching The Orville on TV recently, all the ships are impossibly bright, shiny and clean.

@MajorJakas Жыл бұрын

I like Cobb's approach better than Foss's, especially for a horror movie. Realism in every possible aspect is important in making the threat tangible.

@jasonblalock4429 Жыл бұрын

From what I've seen of Foss's work, it feels like it's being weird solely for the sake of being weird. I don't necessarily need hard realism, I just want to have a sense that the builders of a ship had *reasons* for building it that way, whether it's practical or cultural or whatever. I never get that sense from the art I've seen from him.

@Imperial_Lizardgirl Жыл бұрын

Both so gooood.

@afelias Жыл бұрын

It depends on the intended effect. If it was initially meant to be a military ship, but it was a deep space ship, it would be a situation kind of like the navies of the Age of Exploration. The idea that a ship is decorated or strangely shaped would reflect something about the sort of desires of warrior-culture-meets-castaway. A combination of this sort of "decorating your tools of war for morale-like purposes" and "preserving your ideas of humanity while you're away from home". I could totally see Foss' work to fit in a certain kind of story that way. But, once we get to space truckers (which what seems to be after Foss already moved on), then yeah, a ship expressing that it's designed to cut costs and save fuel and be just the right amount of rooms for the crew, practical things only, would better fit.

@deadredeyes Жыл бұрын

Ron was quite ahead of his time, I feel. He designed from a technical / mechanical perspective, and I much preffered his designs than those by Foss. Ron's semoitic standard was also a thing of brilliance and inspires a lot of logo designers to this day.

@DrWhom Жыл бұрын

@@jasonblalock4429 some of his ships have strange shapes, others look very industrial and believable. you should check out more of his work

@CannonRanger2023 Жыл бұрын

RIP Mr. O'Bannon. You were a true visionary. Thanks for posting! ❤️

@thefez-cat Жыл бұрын

The refinery and its blend of industrial and Gothic influences always remind me of another of my favorite colossal spaceships, the USS _Cygnus_ from The Black Hole.

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

Which is interesting as the refinery towed by the Nostromo was called Cygnus, even had the name painted on the side. But then they found out that the Disney ship was to be called Cygnus and both movies were set for the same release time, so all references to the name were dropped to avoid confusion!

@liamthompson9342 Жыл бұрын

This is a real treat - my favourite film treated by youtube's best filmographer. On a minor point, I was positive the escape ship was called the Leviathan but the internet agrees it's the Narcissus. Wonder where I got that idea from.

@CMDR_Verm Жыл бұрын

One of the suggested names for the main ship was Leviathan and there is a picture in this video of Cobb's rendition of a lifeboat bearing that name (2.04), actually Leviathan B as there were meant to be at least two of them. It would swing out from the main body of the ship for launch. My source is ''The Book of Alien'' (1979) by Paul Scanlon and Michael Gross. I bought it when Alien was released and , years later, found I had lost/lent it. It may be out of print but I was able to buy a second-hand copy on ebay very cheaply. This slim paperback book is jammed full of production photos and concept art. Made after the release of the movie, it is free to depict what previous publications could not. I would highly recommend this book to anyone with the slightest interest in Alien as it has many pictures etc I've not seen elsewhere.

@liamthompson9342 Жыл бұрын

@@CMDR_Verm That's it, thank you! I had that same exact book, also bought at the time. Just went and checked my bookshelf but can't find it now though :(

@CMDR_Verm Жыл бұрын

@@liamthompson9342 I'd try ebay if it's out of print, though it's a shame if it is. My copy had previously been owned by a public library and the seller had bought it for 10 pence! Needless to say he sold it to me for considerably more

@chuckygobyebye Жыл бұрын

Nostomo isn't a ship in the novel, he's the Capataz de Cargadores in Sulaco, which is the name of the ship in Aliens.

@stevetheduck1425 Жыл бұрын

Many ships have been named after Captains and Admirals. The H.M.S. Hood, Rodney, Anson, Nelson and Howe for example. Some, like the USS John C Stennis get to be named after a secretary of the navy...

@aldotanca9430 Жыл бұрын

@@stevetheduck1425 Actually nostromo is not the name of any specific person. It is just, in Italian, the official definition for a mariner in charge of the helm in a sailship. In English that rank translates as boatswain I think.

@johneyton5452 Жыл бұрын

In the Joseph Conrad book Heart of Darkness the Nostromo is a mine in a fictitious South American country. Also the Narcissus is named after the titular ship in the book The Ni**er of the Narcissus by the same author.

@chuckygobyebye Жыл бұрын

@@johneyton5452 Heart of Darkness is set in Africa.

@fuzzyrockify Жыл бұрын

I love the idea of 2 giant possums hunting down the tiny crew xenomorph style

@Jester123ish 3 ай бұрын

I can't help but feel that having limited funds and making a movie under adverse conditions brings out the best creativity.

@Taffer-bx7uc 8 ай бұрын

Dem concept ship designs. Pure gold.

@rekunta 3 ай бұрын

_”…..his STAPLER…”_ _”Peter? Whaaaaat’s happening? I’m gonna need you to come in this Saturday as well. Mmmmkay? Greeeeat”_

@ryangettig274 Жыл бұрын

It's funny -Syd Meads Sulaco re-appeared in Alien 3,ReadyPlayerOne&BladeRunner2049.Maybe because it's sleak,iconic gun design.But.I'm a Nostromo man forever,It re-appeared in design motifs in Alien Isolation,though?And besides that Parker always said the coffee was good:)

@GregoryGiordano Жыл бұрын

Great job bringing the threads together. More ALIEN vids please.

@robovampire Жыл бұрын

It's a great day when I wake up to a new Tyler video

@kairon156 Жыл бұрын

This is an awesome unexpected documentary. While I'm a huge sci-fi fan I've always avoided horror but after watching this I feel I should revisit the original Alien movie

@ehcmier Жыл бұрын

Nice! The Millennium Falcon in "Blade Runner", and R2D2's feet in "Alien". Parts is parts!

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

And the domes on the refinery's underside were Death Star halves!

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

well researched, great rundown of this aspect of Alien, thanks!

@Ihadthismate Жыл бұрын

Always look forward to your next video. Nice work mate

@quazar5017 2 ай бұрын

it's like a real industrial workplace. People habe ideas, no one can decide until some day someone looses patience and actually builds it. Then everybody rolles with it.

@rickytoddbotelho9555 Жыл бұрын

One of the things that always stuck, was form follows function. Adaptive reasoning in the expression of light and shadow drawn for the preliminary artwork for this movie are the best single pieces of cinematic storyboard art in the history of film. Made me such a super fan that I followed along everything about the movie even though I didn't know what I was looking at.💪😛

@normnorm2743 Жыл бұрын

I always thought the refinery WAS the Nostromo and the Nostromo was just a shuttle. I found the refinery was way cooler, stranger and better looking for a space ship. Also, the interior of the ship seems so big in the movie that it would make more sense if the refinery was the Nostromo.

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

the refinery is called The Cygnus. The towing ship is The Nostromo, and the shuttle is The Narcissus.

@catmate8358 Жыл бұрын

Same thing here. For 46 years I believed that the huge thing with the weird towers was the Nostromo, and that the ship that landed on the planet was a shuttle. I think this approach would make more sense, because a towing vehicle for the refinery would have to be very big - much too big to fly in an atmosphere. Besides, hauling freaking iron ore from another planet - lol, that just doesn't make any sense. The cargo would have to be something far more valuable, like, say, oil :)

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

@@catmate8358 Have you ever seen the size of a tug in relation to the size of the loads it pulls? Are you aware there is no gravity in space so the tug has no friction to pull against? In the future, mineral ores may have more value than oil. The engine technology in the Nostromo is said to be fusion based, so perhaps they extract He3 from the ore for fusion power? In the imaginary future of Alien, Earth's resources have been exhausted and humanity must look further afield for resources. Even today, big corporations are eyeing up the moon and the asteroid belt for mineral wealth, so the premise of Alien makes perfect sense.

@nomadmarauder-dw9re 3 ай бұрын

@@martinharris5017Have you ever seen Outland?

@martinharris5017 3 ай бұрын

@@nomadmarauder-dw9re yes, saw it at the movies when first released and several times on DVD.

@tobewanad Жыл бұрын

I love the citations in the subtitles. Great detail and context. Thanks for all the hard work, I appreciate it!

@user-ck3uu8rj3x 3 ай бұрын

It's funny that I'd put many labels on Chris Foss spacecraft... amazing, breathtaking, surreal, and mind-blowing (Mr Foss makes you understand that with zero gravity theres no such thing as 'right way up' ) but not 'practical ' or ' utilitarian '.

@champagnerocker Жыл бұрын

An Austin Allegro at 3:55 showing what the real world in everyday life looks like in a nice contrast to the scifi movie spaceship.

@tylerbrunton7696 11 ай бұрын

I've watched two of your videos now, and they are so well done. Thank you for all the effort sourcing these clips and annotating everything.

@balung Жыл бұрын

Loved that they made and used actual models, and not like today, where Spacecraft are CGI.

@Kevin_Kennelly Жыл бұрын

Thank you. I enjoyed this.

@RobSchofield 9 күн бұрын

@ 11:10 - and Martin Bower. Pearson and Bower had formed "BowerHaus" FX, and Johnson had worked with Bower on "Space: 1999". When Johnson moved on from Alien, Bower and Pearson completed the model construction work, with other incidentals such as the flame gun and sonic distance meter done by Bower almost overnight when the script changed.

@jaymanuel3396 Жыл бұрын

I’ve always wondered why the Narcissus seemed to be flying backwards, when Ripley was abandoning ship. You see lights turn on in the nose of the shuttle, but you see it going in reverse, through the windshield. The thrusters Ripley used to finally eject the alien were on the back, where the hatch was.

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

The Nostromo and refinery are actually ripping through space at a tremendous speed. When Ripley ejects, the shuttle simply gets released backwards by its ejection mechanism, effectively falling behind. Remember, in space there's no gravity or friction to prevent something stopping, which is why you see the Nostromo's engines flare briefly when it separates from the Cygnus refinery. Accurate science! The only time the thrusters on the Narcissus operate is when Ripley uses them to blast the Alien out into the void.

@ab5olut3zero95 4 ай бұрын

It also appeared to fire retro thrusters in the nose to push away after decoupling.

@martinharris5017 2 ай бұрын

@@nicksterj Yes you are correct about that.

@martinharris5017 2 ай бұрын

@@nicksterj I guess they took some license with the hard science in order to get a good effects sequence. Its a good mental exercise to figure out what conditions would actually result in that effect though in reality.

@robabiera733 Жыл бұрын

Hey Tyler! Have you ever thought of doing a making-of for Jacques Tati's "PlayTime"?

@1800astra Жыл бұрын

Longtime fan here and a couple of thoughts: The impressive scale of the Nostromo is memorable, as were the ship/refinery fly-bys and the landing sequence, but it was always hard to know what the actual shape or part of the ship or refinery exterior was you were looking at (apart from the cockpit). For instance: Where was Kane ejected from, where were Ash’s blister and the Narcissus located, where do we see Ripley moving around inside during Act 3? It’s not a huge issue, and it is really good for the most part as there is so much else to enjoy (particularly the sound design and the dialogue being spoken over the miniatures) but it’s not flawless, or utterly convincing. It’s just really good, and that is what makes it such an enjoyable film. One bit of business I liked was the undercarriage articulation taking the weight when the ship landed, and Dallas’s order to ‘kick on the floods’. The detail on the cockpit model was awesome too. “Prime port”.

@stevetheduck1425 Жыл бұрын

Kane is ejected from the back of the lower rear nose section, between and under the Nostromo's main engines. Why much of the refinery is not visible is a puzzle, but it may be that there is space between the large domes on the refinery's underside. Ash's (science) blister is on the left lower side of the Nostromo, originally low left of the bridge, but after the scale change by making the transparent parts of the model smaller, much lower down, close to the nose of the Nostromo; Ash smiles and waves at the astronauts on the surface of the planetoid looking forward from there. The Narcissus is also in the low rear of the nose, between and under the main engines. When trying to shut down the main reactors, Ripley is in a large space that contains the engines of the Nostromo, within a small control room probably between but not certainly forward of the main engines, between them and the nose of the Nostromo. Ridley Scott also adapted the 'hull breached?' sequence right after the landing on the planetoid from the film 'Doctor Strangelove', the moment the B-52 crew are hit by shockwaves from an explosion and must deal with electrical fires.

@RCAvhstape Жыл бұрын

@@stevetheduck1425 That's all cool info, but I saw that movie several times over the years and I've never been able to really figure out the full shape or size of either Nostromo or the refinery, because everything is so dark and many of the shots are up close where you can't get the big picture. The locations of various interior scenes relative to the exterior of the ship are not easy to figure out just from watching the film, either. It all makes more sense when you see the aftermarket merch blueprints and deck plans, etc., but if you walked into a theater and saw it one time in 1979 you'd be hard pressed to know all this, despite really liking the movie. It's like trying to figure out what a parked semi-truck looks like inside a dark tunnel with just a flashlight.

@comproggi Жыл бұрын

@@RCAvhstape Your explanation makes sense if approached from the viewpoint of wanting to make something seem claustrophobic and eerie. The flashlight drives home that they are trapped in a confined space with something dreadful, and are limited in their knowledge of where they should avoid.

@DrWhom Жыл бұрын

@@RCAvhstape "It's like trying to figure out what a parked semi-truck looks like inside a dark tunnel with just a flashlight." I think that's what they were going for!

@flippert0 9 ай бұрын

0:14 I still think H.R. Ginger looks a bit like serial killer 🤣

@robohasse997 Жыл бұрын

One can not discuss this topic without first acknowledging the preproduction of jodorowsky's dune 2:24 ok .. good.. finally you did. This team didn’t materialize out of nowhere

@SchizoMelody Жыл бұрын

Ron Cobb is the bomb

@RobSchofield 9 күн бұрын

@ 12:33 - centre picture, you can see Martin Bower doing touch up on the large-scale Nostromo. Left picture, Martin is bottom left (in line with the red chair) during the model team's marathon "grey paint spray session" when the large-scale (originally painted yellow with highlights) was repainted after the cinematographer discovered the colour gave problems with the lighting scheme and filming angles chosen by Scott after he took over as director. In the right picture, the refinery model in it's final form after all the spires, pintels and other fine details were "smacked off the model with a mallet" by Scott, who felt it didn't look industrial - he took off all the "ethereal cathedral" tower details. Bower and Pearson went on to do "Outland", doing all the modelwork and construction on their own, under great time pressure and with an extremely limited budget.

@EdwrdBrock Жыл бұрын

What a great video, love your reading of the O'Bannon/Hill/Giller dynamic, such a perfect microcosm of Hollywood. Also glad to see tou using Alien Makers as a reference, those videos are an outstanding archive on the great craftsmen involved in the making of this movie.

@user-rc1ke1ef3t Жыл бұрын

I love those sketches of the ships.

@NextToToddliness Жыл бұрын

I love this series; great job! 👽🌵

@mikey_r Жыл бұрын

Wonderful video thanks for posting. My favourite move, it is amazing how it all came together and how different it could have been. It is also really interesting to see how the later sequels recycled so many of the original ideas that were discarded.

@orangewarm1 Жыл бұрын

I highly recommend the documentary made about it. I think it came out in 2020.

@CinemaTyler Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@mabs9503 Жыл бұрын

Freon isn't actually bad for you it's just that it displaces oxygen very easily since it's heavier than air.

@arlandajim Жыл бұрын

great video! thank you

@Rommheim1 Жыл бұрын

Great episode, as always.

@jamesstaggs4160 Жыл бұрын

I know that with models you can't do all that fancy "camera work" like you can with CGI. You usually can't have wide shots with hundreds or thousands of ships, but you know what you do get? Something that looks good. The model work from the first two Alien films and the first three Star Wars films, before ol' George ruined them, look far superior to anything that's onscreen now.

@ab5olut3zero95 4 ай бұрын

Check out the model work for the Star Trek TNG battle of Wolf 359. That’s some pretty good model work, even if it is just a mostly static display.

@andrewglazebrook1585 Жыл бұрын

The R2-D2 part of the clamp on the refinery was actually just parts of the MPC Kit being used, they can be seen on several of the shots of the miniature under construction, it wasn't full sized R2-D2 feet like your commentary track makes it sound like.

@M60gunner1971 Жыл бұрын

You're thinking of Krull.

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

@@M60gunner1971 Krull didn't have any spaceships.

@thedudeabides3138 3 ай бұрын

Fascinating, thanks Tyler.

@bobbfredd Жыл бұрын

so awesome !

@monkeybrain3425 Күн бұрын

Any ship that can move while hauling 20 million tons of mineral ore has my vote for best ever.

@Novobranec Жыл бұрын

A brilliant video as always. Thank you very much for making it.

@swampcastle8142 Жыл бұрын

Used to play space engineers. I realize now that most of my space refinery designs were similar. Pretty cool

@vittoriostoraro Жыл бұрын

Another excellent one, Tyler. You never fail to impress.

@musstakrakish Жыл бұрын

Awesome video! And the Mubi magazine sounds amazing

@spearPYN Жыл бұрын

This is classic Traveller RPG material. Late 70s/early 80s was the best era for science fiction ever.

@karmabad6287 16 күн бұрын

Bravo. Great vid.

@MartiniBlankontherest Жыл бұрын

Would you consider doing a video on Kubrick's Napoleon? Spielberg just mentioned that he's developing it as a limited series!

@mathieugariepy2948 2 ай бұрын

Great video!

@mart34 10 ай бұрын

Watched this on 4K blu ray, and was impressed with the ship, the whole movie looked great in fact.

@indigocit8508 Жыл бұрын

another amazing video. Thanks

@Spikee2013 Жыл бұрын

Brilliant docu, thank you!

@marklechman2225 Жыл бұрын

Excellent vid. 👍

@RCAvhstape Жыл бұрын

I think the Alliance destroyers from the TV show Firefly remind me of the refinery in Alien.

@kevanhubbard9673 Жыл бұрын

It's never clear in Alien if their ships travel faster than light but they must given the time scales of getting to these remote planets.Usually in sci-fi where FTL occurs they don't bother with hibernation pods but Alien combines the two.

@DrWhom Жыл бұрын

depending on how much faster than light, it may still take a long time to travel between stars, even nearby ones. I think we are about 40 LY from home in Alien, which is "halfway there" from the point of departure.

@parashkevdraganov2395 Жыл бұрын

Yes!

@soerenraudonis Жыл бұрын

Half of the shown artwork in the intro was from the unfinished dune movie concept art book

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

Foss re-used a lot of his concept art for Dune on Alien. The "Platypus" Nostromo design was originally used as a Guild Heighliner concept.

@user-ii5qm4qt2j 2 ай бұрын

Ron Cobb, became a master creater.

@jeffreyp1855 2 ай бұрын

Alien was a damned cinematic masterpiece! Great video! 🤘

@JohnMervinChocolateThunder Жыл бұрын

Don’t know if you saw the recent Adam Savage video but he gave you a shoutout and said CinemaTyler was one of his favorite KZfaq channels!

@NH365 Жыл бұрын

I’d thought Syd Mead had done the Nostromo. Thanks for the info.

@martinharris5017 Жыл бұрын

Syd Mead designed the Sulaco in Aliens :)

@gogglesfpv7986 Жыл бұрын

just downloaded an stl file of the nostromo to 3d print. cant wait to print, paint, and hang this ship with the others !

@agfagaevart Жыл бұрын

18:10 Travelling mattes could be made without the laborious hand tracing involved in rotoscoping; A model, etc. would be shot onto high contrast black & white film which would then be processed into negatives - if needed -- to produce mattes that would fit perfectly. They used this technique on Star Wars.

@aliensoup2420 Жыл бұрын

Photo-optical mattes rarely fit "perfectly", and were always subject to positive or negative matte lines, depending on the precision of the process and the printers. Even up to the last days of the technology in the late 80's and early 90's, matte lines were ubiquitous in visual effects.

@agfagaevart Жыл бұрын

@@aliensoup2420 ILM had their custom-built "Quad" optical printer, and that thing was nigh-on perfect at its job. Even after an earthquake.