How an Evangelical Couple's SCOTUS Case Could Affect Native American Children

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The Indian Child Welfare Act (ICWA) is at the center of an evangelical couple's Supreme Court case - here's how the outcome could determine the future of adopting Native American children
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@down-to-earth-mystery-school
@down-to-earth-mystery-school Жыл бұрын
It’s so hateful for evangelicals to adopt First People children so they can be ‘missionaries’ and ‘save their souls.’ This couple is not doing it purely from altruistic means
@tonyfanfarone
@tonyfanfarone Жыл бұрын
Sinister motives indeed.
@Radv13
@Radv13 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it makes me sick!
@phaedrussmith1949
@phaedrussmith1949 Жыл бұрын
Religion is an evil force in the world.
@yvonneplant9434
@yvonneplant9434 Жыл бұрын
Of course they're not. People who are of European descent couldn't just stay where they belong ( in Europe) so they stole land and wealth from other people. This couple is just an extension of the white desire to control everything.
@politereminder6284
@politereminder6284 Жыл бұрын
They have political motives- their backers have political motives
@Bethelaine1
@Bethelaine1 Жыл бұрын
Their “Christian “ values made them want to adopt a native child. That makes me worry about the child’s future. I read the family’s statement in another article.
@tonyfanfarone
@tonyfanfarone Жыл бұрын
Christian values... frightening if you know the history.
@sb416
@sb416 Жыл бұрын
They are trafficking them using religion as a cover up
@rickofpolynesia8070
@rickofpolynesia8070 Жыл бұрын
A lot of Christian practices were tainted by misinterpretation. Like how many believe Man is in charge of the world; when we’re actually left to take care of it as stewards. Coming from a rez kid
@freyja6360
@freyja6360 Жыл бұрын
@@rickofpolynesia8070 Well, communism sounded lke a noble idea at the beginning when it was written as a theory and look how it's evolved the moment people started bringing it to life. Religion is no different, another idea forced onto masses. First Nations, tribal pagans in Europe etc. were taking good care of the Earth as its stewards without any modern monotheistic beliefs. That's one of the reasons "missionary work" is BS. It's based on the assumption that there's anything new in groundbreaking in the religion you're preaching when in reality it's just a regurgitation of old myths and whatever beliefs were in fashion at the moment when said religion was created. How I see it, "missionary work" is an infringement on freedom of religion of others.
@drrenard1277
@drrenard1277 Жыл бұрын
This ticks me off so much. I never fit in and I actually had to escape my abusive adoptive family. They taught me to be racist especially to my own kind and treated me like I was trash. My father was constantly mocked by them and they forced him to sign papers to allow me to be adopted. I was forced to not use Tsalagi, or wear anything tribal. They let me go to tribal health though so I can get medical, even though they were being paid to give me medical. I've always felt so confused cause I am much darker than my adoptive family and I've even been called n word. I didn't even know I had living family tell I took a DNA test. I still feel lost now. Nothing ever felt right. Everything was out of place.
@KazukoLight
@KazukoLight Жыл бұрын
Sorry you had to deal with that. I don't like this either because they are trying to eradicate native American tribes and take away their culture this is what white people have always done to non white groups. I hope you were able to connect to your family and return to your tribe.
@ComradeCatpurrnicus
@ComradeCatpurrnicus Жыл бұрын
❤️
@tonyfanfarone
@tonyfanfarone Жыл бұрын
That’s bloody awful. Don’t let these scum taint your life. I know it is easier said than done but don’t let them win.
@lottat6420
@lottat6420 Жыл бұрын
🫶 Terrible! I hope you can find your way.
@steffiet3862
@steffiet3862 Жыл бұрын
I am so very sorry, hoping you are able to find peace now that you know you have family, find them and start to heal. ❤️
@avagreen9795
@avagreen9795 Жыл бұрын
What happens when the child grows up and realises that their parents fought to take away the rights of their people, their heritage, and their culture.
@gabrielblacklock3921
@gabrielblacklock3921 9 ай бұрын
Oh yeah, I'm sure the child would've been sooo disappointed to learn that his loving family fought to keep him rather than having him needlessly ripped away from them when he was only 2 years old. Geez, do you people care about kids at all? Does his life mean nothing to you? I feel like the people defending ICWA are actively valuing Native American culture over child welfare, and it's scary.
@nonpareilstoryteller5920
@nonpareilstoryteller5920 Жыл бұрын
Today I sat down and listened to the arguments in the Supreme Court. I was truly appalled by the attitude of the Conservative judges. They seemed to care not one jot that the government of the US has a political relationship to the Native Americans nations as though to a foreign state. Whether it was pure ignorance or Catholic religious desire to save the children’s souls, though, it was never voiced in those terms or that they were arrogantly irritated at the idea that “ they “ could be denied the right to adopt any child they liked, presuming they passed the suitability test because the evangelical couple who took the case, after the fact of having the Indian child already placed with them, probably saw themselves as great white saviours, what one could infer was that “they” could offer a much better future to an Indian child from a reservation than an Indian adoptive parent on an Indian reservation. The conservative justices seemed to refuse to see that there is an exception here because these tribes are, to all intents and purposes an autonomous political entity and it is the Federal government’s many laws over time that finally arrived, through the bitter experience of Indian children being removed from their families, at a way of justly serving the needs of the Indian nations’ children. The petulance on display from those conservatives was nauseating. The obtuseness whether real or feigned was shocking. They couldn’t even accept that the was no standing, which to me indicated that standing, precedents, the authority of Congress to research and make laws are to these people of no relevance. They continued to interrupt and nit pick their way back to their sole theme; Indian children should be made available to any and all who were suitable candidates as adoptive parents. No hint that the depth of the problems they could cause by overturning 40 years of “ gold standard” practice would bring back untold misery for those tribes and probable suffering to the children disconnected from their people. But then Amy Coney Barrett is the white saviour Catholic mother who rescued poor black children and burnished her credentials with her Catholic conscience in the process. A vom*t inducing display of racism if ever I saw it.
@veramae4098
@veramae4098 Жыл бұрын
Next time -- blocks of text are hard to read. One paragraph per idea, and a blank line between paragraphs. I couldn't get through this. Yes, I'm retired educator! 😊
@gabrielblacklock3921
@gabrielblacklock3921 9 ай бұрын
Well, this comment aged badly lol. ICWA was upheld by nearly every "conservative" Justice on the Court. Not that your arguments defending it make the slightest bit of sense anyway. These parents aren't "white saviors," they aren't racists, and they aren't responsible for anything that happened in the past. They love this child, and if you support ripping this child away from them in order to preserve some kind of cultural heritage, all you're doing is valuing your culture over the welfare of a child.
@kioloup
@kioloup Жыл бұрын
I’m in Canada and can hardly wait for the day our government accepts that there are many nations in our country and gives those nations their land back. They will take care of the land and their people much better than our government is willing/capable of doing.
@Imissnormal
@Imissnormal Жыл бұрын
No government gives up power without bloodshed.
@ladylaurus8493
@ladylaurus8493 Жыл бұрын
Don't scrap ICWA, it exists to protect the health and wellbeing of a group of people that have survived many atrocities committed against them.
@houchi69
@houchi69 Жыл бұрын
And when their own people can't be properly functioning members of society? You will still leave a children in their hands?
@ladylaurus8493
@ladylaurus8493 Жыл бұрын
@@houchi69 They can go with other members of the same tribe. You are a part of the problem if you think EVERY native has substance abuse issues
@kanoraguy
@kanoraguy Жыл бұрын
@@houchi69 ya well to you whites practicing our traditional ways, having wild meat and the tribe raising our children are reasons to take our children.
@houchi69
@houchi69 Жыл бұрын
@@ladylaurus8493 I don't assume, also, substance abuse is not the only issue to be a legal guardian. Maybe try to be a bit more educated.
@Hertz2laugh
@Hertz2laugh Жыл бұрын
They got everything they had by slaughtering other tribes. Then they got slaughtered. Cry me a river. They're *_lucky_* that the Europeans decided to leave any of them alive.
@youtubeisinconsistent9169
@youtubeisinconsistent9169 Жыл бұрын
The cruelty is still the point for 45's appointees, so I'm assuming the supreme court is gonna just do the opposite of what's good for these native kids.
@kenlandon6130
@kenlandon6130 Жыл бұрын
Gorsuch is surprisingly a friend of American Indian interests. I would bet he votes with the liberals on this like in Castro Huerta last year, but even with his vote against the Brackeens would still win 5-4.
@blushbaddie3551
@blushbaddie3551 Жыл бұрын
This is terrifying!!! It's like the recent discoveries of res school burial sites meant NOTHING to them! That shook us to the core here in SE Asia...They're actually trying to return to the days of justifying residential schools and family separation...I'm so so sorry about your struggles guys....Much love and support from Asia
@lightningboltt5437
@lightningboltt5437 Жыл бұрын
Its gotten to that point where asian countries like india follow human righrs better than us
@gabrielblacklock3921
@gabrielblacklock3921 9 ай бұрын
What in the world does a family wanting to keep their child who loves them have to do with school burial sites? Absolutely nothing. This family loved their child, and they're not to blame for what happened eons ago to Native Americans.
@lolawants2008
@lolawants2008 Жыл бұрын
Make NO mistake. This is NOT about the child’s welfare. This is disgusting
@prbabii11
@prbabii11 Жыл бұрын
absolutely!!! they could care less about those babies! sick!!!
@gabrielblacklock3921
@gabrielblacklock3921 9 ай бұрын
@@prbabii11 Oh yeah? What evidence do you have that these parents don't care about their child?
@kjrose1899
@kjrose1899 Жыл бұрын
So what's wrong with the other kids in cps care? Why do they need indian kids that's weird
@YourCapyBruv_do_u_rmbr_3Dpipes
@YourCapyBruv_do_u_rmbr_3Dpipes Жыл бұрын
First thing I said.
@mook_butt8037
@mook_butt8037 Жыл бұрын
I hate using the term “virtue signalling”, but that’s basically what people like that are doing. It’s essentially a “look at how amazing we are for taking this child in from such poor circumstances! We’re making such huge sacrifices for this sad child”. It honestly sickens me
@adamblue2980
@adamblue2980 Жыл бұрын
Because they want to indoctrinate them, erase their Native identity, and replace it with Christian nationalism. Exactly what US govt did for hundred of years to native people en masse, and it's their way of keeping it going.
@catherinecook8355
@catherinecook8355 Жыл бұрын
Exactly! That’s a good point. Why do the children have to be native?
@samuelthompson8080
@samuelthompson8080 Жыл бұрын
It's called white washing, you essentially erase thier culture identity but still treat them like minorities. When have seen this happen several times in US history.
@tylerbhumphries
@tylerbhumphries Жыл бұрын
I can not believe this is still happening. It’s 2022 not 1902.
@Laura-it2zb
@Laura-it2zb Жыл бұрын
It still happens across the US, no matter what part of the country.
@FreeAssange_
@FreeAssange_ Жыл бұрын
That couple is pure evil
@juicyparsons
@juicyparsons Жыл бұрын
they absolutely should be able to intervene. Decolonialism is a serious issue and I support it. Especially with the rise of Christian Nationalism
@sb782
@sb782 Жыл бұрын
@@MrEkzotic depends on what context, Europe yes, but for Africa, Asia no, every country did not like being colonised, it’s what led to the dictatorships in Africa to the 100 year humiliation that ended the qing
@littlebitofhope1489
@littlebitofhope1489 Жыл бұрын
@@MrEkzotic Support your claim with reliable, reproducible evidence.
@kanoraguy
@kanoraguy Жыл бұрын
@@MrEkzotic ya no it didn’t.
@nrspeed1407
@nrspeed1407 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow! Someone makes a claim without offering proofs and ask other for evidence to prove otherwise.
@michaelgrunden5011
@michaelgrunden5011 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. We should take back our wealth and technology, and let these countries return to subsistence living because colonialism has been so horrible. Compare India and Pakistan. Culturally, and ethnically very similar countries. India had to deal with the "serious issue" of colonialism while Pakistan did not. India is now a 1st world nation, and Pakistan is still subsistence farming in a desert. Colonialism was a blessing to the countries that were lucky enough to have the opportunity to have the investment in their countries.
@cshopwytuck6730
@cshopwytuck6730 Жыл бұрын
This is not about Race! It's about Citizenship!! Native American people are duel citizens. Citizenships with our sovereign Nation (tribe), and citizenship through the United States as U.S. citizens. It would be simular to if a baby was born on a Army base in German to U.S. citizen parents. That baby would have duel citizenship with Germany and the U.S. Say for some reason, the baby is put up for adoption. How ICWA is applied under this analogy would be were the United States government would obligate Germany to find a United States couple to adopt the baby, because the child's parents are United States citizens. Also ICWA, protects families from being discriminated based on income. ICWA encourage Native American with their family first. Say for instance and appropriate aunt comes along and wants her niece and nephew, but the children are placed with a wealthy foster family, that the children do not know. ICWA makes sure that the aunt is looked at fairly, regardless of income as long as the aunt has the means to take care of the children. This is what happened with the Brackeen family. There was family wanting to take the children, but the wealthy Brackeens wanted to adopt the children. Again, it's not about race or income. It's about citizenship and placing children with their family. I myself am a duel citizen of my tribal nation and I am a United States citizen.
@KazukoLight
@KazukoLight Жыл бұрын
I mean you could argue the people wanting to strike the protection down are doing it as a race thing to steal tribal kids from their homes, family and culture and will probably ignore that part of them instead brainwashing them.
@NevermindXY
@NevermindXY Жыл бұрын
The baby would not have German citizenship, as this is granted not by the place of birth (ius solis), but by the fact that at least one parent is German (ius sanguinis).
@susannesin5929
@susannesin5929 Жыл бұрын
They need to be protected!!!! They need to be in a Indian family period!!!
@lilyflower5576
@lilyflower5576 Жыл бұрын
We can raise our own children!
@matlew1960
@matlew1960 Жыл бұрын
I can fully understand the Native Americans from wanting to protect their children. Especially against the church and any and all things religious. How many children went missing or died at hands of holier than though religious fanatics. All in the name of their god.
@Nimish204
@Nimish204 Жыл бұрын
Their children? The children are their parents', nobody else's. If the parents are unfit, they should be placed in a foster home which will be best for the child.
@Dumbstuffwatcher
@Dumbstuffwatcher Жыл бұрын
There's an awesome low-budget movie called Eyes of Fire, in which a pastor takes in and tries to convert a Native child, and his party is destroyed by spirits as a result. Highly recommended (I saw it on Shudder)
@cshopwytuck6730
@cshopwytuck6730 Жыл бұрын
I know it was a movie, but we also had the indian boarding school era that my grandparents went through. It was not the best and traumatic!
@tonyfanfarone
@tonyfanfarone Жыл бұрын
The religious have helped to create a crime against humanity in Canada with regard to the despicable treatment of Native CHILDREN, children! What is more evil than that? I don’t want to contemplate. Let us not forget the abuse of power by these people of god for about two thousand years. Seems as if religion has been a catalyst for all manner of evil throughout history. Inflicted on people whose culture respected and cared for the earth that gave them life and a home. No power and money to be made using that mindset though.
@felixblakat7718
@felixblakat7718 Жыл бұрын
Native or otherwise, if someone wrongfully takes your child, fight back physically and legally, because then there is nothing left for them to ask of you, they will only take
@raulchavez6933
@raulchavez6933 Жыл бұрын
This type of extremism is what is scary. Please let's move towards reasonable policies and laws that actually consider people's (marginalized people's) lives.
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
But the concern is that rolling back the ICWA in its entirety without any kind of backstop would mean that people who are against Native American cultures would be free to snatch babies from their families however they would like to and destroy their cultures little by little.
@YT4Me57
@YT4Me57 Жыл бұрын
The evil behind these people. 😡😡😡
@tonyfanfarone
@tonyfanfarone Жыл бұрын
Is religion.
@bbills4186
@bbills4186 Жыл бұрын
Not only evil, but always trying to impose their will on everyone else. It's despicable, like go take several seats.
@Death_the_Kid
@Death_the_Kid Жыл бұрын
Hypocrisy is their biggest flex
@tashikoweinstein435
@tashikoweinstein435 Жыл бұрын
My Best Friend ran into this problem with her niece! After her brother died in an accident, the White Family who was taking of the niece through Child Services ended up being able to ADOPT! Even though it was the Father's last wish before dying was that his daughter be in the care of his sister, and was working on getting that before he died! The original plan was that the sister would have custody until the father was able to get back his parental rights, but died unexpectedly before any of that could happen! The White Family took advantage of the situation and kept her! It was said that the tribe was indeed involve during the process, but felt there was no reason for intervening therefore no removal would happened and placement with the family would come to be! Because of this The White Family was allowed to adopt the niece and disregard the last wishes of the Father which they knew obviously! Meanwhile the sister my long time and best friend has been told by both the Tribe and Child Services that she CAN'T get custody of her niece, the only thing she has left of her BROTHER! As for the White Family they refuse to allow the niece to see any of the living relatives and the rest of the family, they also won't allow the niece to participate in any tribal events or gatherings! My best friend worked really hard to keep her family together she did everything that was ask of her, in order to get custody of her niece! But, with her brother's death and no help from the Tribe, she was no match for the White Family!!
@ladyspirit2493
@ladyspirit2493 Жыл бұрын
Heartbreaking
@tashikoweinstein435
@tashikoweinstein435 Жыл бұрын
@@ladyspirit2493 I know!
@prbabii11
@prbabii11 Жыл бұрын
the fact that they claim to love their adoptive native child but are willing to put every single indigenous child in foster care at risk for their selfishness, the child is to be put with their BLOOD relatives that are in position to take care of them, how could you strip a child of their own family? haven’t you people stole enough from us already? we are NATIVE NATIONS. this isn’t about race, it’s about tribal traditions and instilling that they will live on through our children. how can we make sure you teach your native child their tribal traditions for 18 years? make sure they KNOW they are of native blood? THEY ARE OUR FUTURE. taking away ICWA is so much more than just that. it’s STEALING our future!!! erasing us!!! that’s they’re goal & they try to hide it less & less everyday! we need to stand up for our children!!! Creator protect us
@benjaminchylla5212
@benjaminchylla5212 Жыл бұрын
The fact that they STILL tried to get ICWA overturned even AFTER they got the child they wanted makes it so much worse. They feel that THEY were wronged and are willing to overturn tribal sovereignty to open the floodgates for other non-native couples to do the same thing.
@jt1929
@jt1929 Жыл бұрын
I know native children who were sexually abused by white families and one tragic case that helped bring the ICWA. The ego of some Christian people is mind boggling.
@duanebrown3016
@duanebrown3016 Жыл бұрын
Why is this even in. Court Supreme Court will hear this but not other cases
@blackwatertv7018
@blackwatertv7018 Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t put it past the SOCTUS to vote against this cause Jesus or something.
@lunaluna91
@lunaluna91 Жыл бұрын
The scary thing is they are considering the sovereignty of this tribe to win the case
@TragoudistrosMPH
@TragoudistrosMPH Жыл бұрын
We took your land and now we want your children... Also, we won't teach them their language...
@ridingyourdad
@ridingyourdad Жыл бұрын
Do they have too?
@gabegood8989
@gabegood8989 Жыл бұрын
that's what the govt has done to these people from the start steal land, steal children, and ruin their culture
@junethanoschurchill6750
@junethanoschurchill6750 Жыл бұрын
@@ridingyourdad everyone deserves to be connected to their cultural heritage. To keep it from them is an injustice. There are many things in this world that are “optional”. Does that mean it’s just fine not to do those things?
@ridingyourdad
@ridingyourdad Жыл бұрын
@@junethanoschurchill6750 you're twisting my words around. Never once did I say they didn't deserve that, and I never would say something like that.
@slixameth
@slixameth Жыл бұрын
of COURSE they’re evangelicals !!!!!
@URFTBOUND4LIFE
@URFTBOUND4LIFE Жыл бұрын
EVILangelicals is more like it...
@kaistockman6443
@kaistockman6443 Жыл бұрын
Too bad the Supreme Court is super partisan now. If it gets up there I'm sure it will be overturned. :( If I were that kid once I found out I would not be happy with my "parents".
@robertafoginthemorning6678
@robertafoginthemorning6678 Жыл бұрын
We should have a say, un our children's welfare, look what happened to the children taken from families, it was traumatic for the first American people's. Shame Shame on European immigrants American (Caucasian)
@littlebitofhope1489
@littlebitofhope1489 Жыл бұрын
I agree with you except for the immigrant part. Every human in the Americas is an immigrant. It's about power and subjugating a people based on false differences. Last, the ancestors of those people did not come from the Caucasus Mountains. That is another false label used to make false categorizations. Again, with the history of more powerful people abusing the less powerful and making up reasons to do it, that child should NOT be placed with those people. Just be careful you are not using their means to demean people. We are all humans. We are all relatives. We should ALL be kind to each other.
@zakpodo
@zakpodo Жыл бұрын
As somebody who is adopted, and has white parents that have also adopted 2 native children, one Mexican and one Arab I can say that we are all grateful to be In a loving, complete family. We all rather have that, than be sacrificed and left to the system as a martyr to whatever screwed up ideas you have. If kids need homes, and there were many natives who do, and a family not a different background wants to take them in, how is that anything other than a blessing for everybody involved. Tell me, how many native children have you adopted? Maybe you could adopt a few, rather than railing people who are actually doing the best for the children. My brother would be happy to tell you about the beatings with wire hangers and cigarette burns he got while with tribal foster parents, and my sister could tell you how she suffered through 3 open heart surgeries due do the actions of the mother, the first one alone as a neonate after her mother left her, before she got passed around like a hot potato. Anybody who wants to adopt should be praised and encouraged, not shouted down. It's great for the tribe to vet them as suitable parents or to try first to find a family within the tribe, but to make children suffer for these ideas is just the epitome of narcissism.
@houchi69
@houchi69 Жыл бұрын
If your people can't take proper care of the children, then they should be with someone who can provide for them. Race has no factor in it.
@kanoraguy
@kanoraguy Жыл бұрын
@@zakpodo ya I’m calling bs, because your supposed brother and sister have no idea about their culture, language or heritage. If you really think that’s good then I suggest you look up the actual factual accounts from indigenous people who were adopted by white families and who are now trying to regain what they lost from being separated from their culture
@zakpodo
@zakpodo Жыл бұрын
@@houchi69 thank you, would you say that an ethnic scot shouldn't be taken from the system and adopted by an English family? Would it be better for him to be alone and without a family, than to be taken into a new family. Even given that he won't be living and socialized by a scot family either way? Culture is what you are socialized into, not your DNA. You are more than your DNA and skin color. My bio parents were polish, I'm not suffering from a lack of polish culture. And as an adult (after having the luxury of a good childhood) if I want to connect with my heritage I can. My sis feels as I do, my bro is slightly more interested in the tribe he came from.
@almost_candid9809
@almost_candid9809 Жыл бұрын
The bill to over turn the act was rejected btw!!! Win for the children and tribes!!!
@adamarlem9863
@adamarlem9863 Жыл бұрын
Native children on native lands-- enough other children to adopt.
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
But what if these Native children can’t have Native parents that are easily found? What if they are on the other side of the country or even on another continent? I’ve read that for every one Native family eligible to receive adopted children, there are five Native children who could be adopted, so it could potentially mean that children are stuck in foster care until someone potentially half a world away gets to keep custody of the child when it is very late for a child to be adopted at all.
@adamarlem9863
@adamarlem9863 Жыл бұрын
@@aycc-nbh7289 No,bad info. NA young adults are out intermarrying with nonNA to have more children and healthy ones🏹
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
@@adamarlem9863 I don’t understand what this has to do with my comment.
@adamarlem9863
@adamarlem9863 Жыл бұрын
@@aycc-nbh7289 It has do do with your comment: sources to make it truth or not?
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
@@adamarlem9863 The problem with the law is that it does not protect absolutely everyone who self-identifies as Native American, but only those who _could be_ eligible for citizenship for a tribal community, which could mean that someone with only half-Indian blood may not make the cut.
@notforposers
@notforposers Жыл бұрын
NPR had a similar story about a year or two ago. I wish I could remember the episode, but I do know it was on “Radiolab.”
@rosenars6665
@rosenars6665 Жыл бұрын
I honestly am lost for words about the way this couple went about this whole thing. Even with the little boys sister. It disturbs me that the were able to shoot down any chance for a native family to adopt. Even the children’s own aunt. They are rich and hate to say it, white. The law will always work in there favor no matter how unjust they go about it. I’m thankful that icwa is still intact. This couple said they will keep the children involved in their culture but I doubt it. They already changed the boys name. Sound familiar?
@Shinzon23
@Shinzon23 Жыл бұрын
Oooof. Missionaries still trying to "Civilize the savages"
@bbills4186
@bbills4186 Жыл бұрын
Haven't we seen this movie before? Canada just recognized it's part in removing tribal children from their families and apologized. Some people who grow upside their culture are really messed up. Really, really messed up. Historically, not sure why we keep having this argument, stop trying to disconnect tribal children from their tribes, kin, and tribal connections.There are millions of other kids that deserve a family go adopt them. I would side- eye anyone outside of a tribal environment looking at tribal children for adoption. It it galling to think that folks just overlook the conditions that First Nation People are in now, without acknowledging how they got there in the first place, and then decide that their children will be better off with someone else and not their own people. Like the woman in the video said, it's another form of genocide.
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
If 8 of the 9 justices arguing _Roe_ acknowledged the right to privacy, I would not be surprised to see them do something similar to what you are saying.
@black_abysseus
@black_abysseus Жыл бұрын
Wow, they shouldn't. Basically going to groom them and turn them against there own.
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
I think it would be very racist to assume that every single member of a particular group would do a particular thing like that. And I’m also saying it’s racist to assume that all Indian reservations are dilapidated, run-down communities where everyone drinks themselves to death and everyone gambles away their money.
@benjaminchylla5212
@benjaminchylla5212 Жыл бұрын
@@aycc-nbh7289 That clearly seems to be the couple's goal here. They got the child they wanted, and still tried to get ICWA overturned anyway so other couples can do the same thing more easily.
@descolonizandofrm1105
@descolonizandofrm1105 Жыл бұрын
Stop the cultural genocide, Native Parents be prepared to show that our kids deserve to be connected to our language & culture as the will also lear English as a second language,
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
But there is still a concern about what happens if there is a struggle to find a Native family for a foster kid or if said Native family is in an entirely different geographic region from when he was born and wouldn’t be connected to the culture he was born into regardless of whether he is adopted into a Native family or not.
@bunnytailss
@bunnytailss Жыл бұрын
@@aycc-nbh7289 icwa states that if their ISNT someone in their community willing to take them in, they go to the foster care system. in the case of this child, she had a navajo family that was willing to take her in.
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
@@bunnytailss It still means that there could be a foster parent waiting to take care of a child who is more culturally and genetically similar to the child’s birth parents, even if this parent does not meet the blood quantum for being considered “Indian”, meaning this child may instead go to someone who is more culturally and genetically distant.
@politereminder6284
@politereminder6284 Жыл бұрын
I've been following adoptoraptor families like this for a long time. There are nefarious organizations who are sponsoring this bad faith effort to anihilate a culture. It's so sick 🤢
@patriciarouse2801
@patriciarouse2801 Жыл бұрын
Terms like " genocide " and " crime against humanity" may have trailed the hundreds of years of assault to Turtle Island and the People's pole to pole and coast to coast, yet the thought forms, the activities and the damage is perpetuated . Abuse mutual abuse is learned . It's not the full range of human capacity . And new victims are born under that petulant, arrogant , immature agressive oppression and perversely corrupted self and other induced misery. No one is spared. It's a plague of mind that damages every heart it touches. Be a good relative, stop doing that. Just see it, know it and stop. All human knowledge is a gift of ancestors. Sacrid knowledge of life is sacrid. Be sacrid , share the sacrid. Bless yourself. Sure " we" were not there then. Be here now. Know what can be known. DNA, life is not a commercial activity. You and no one else are a commodity. It is no harder to be honest than greedy. Honest is better, easier, our strength .
@rileybrewer
@rileybrewer Жыл бұрын
"From age 9 months until she was almost 3, Laurynn Whiteshield and her twin sister were in the foster care of Jeanine Kersey-Russell, a Methodist minister in Bismarck, N.D. But when Kersey-Russell tried to terminate the twins’ parents’ rights in order to adopt them, the Spirit Lake Sioux tribe invoked the ICWA and the children were sent to the reservation and the custody of their grandfather. Thirty-seven days later, Laurynn died after being thrown down an embankment by her grandfather’s wife, who had a record of neglecting, endangering and abusing her own children."
@ApartmentPrepping
@ApartmentPrepping Жыл бұрын
Was this Indian kid to be adopted from a reservation? Does US law even apply here?
@mikejones-tc5jj
@mikejones-tc5jj Жыл бұрын
Who's trying to groom now?
@joan-mariacbrooks
@joan-mariacbrooks 8 күн бұрын
Energy Transfer Partners is also in this case and I believe they are represented by another large firm.
@jessicabixler1658
@jessicabixler1658 Жыл бұрын
I'm an Evangelical and this makes sick. The arrogance of some of my kind is so anti Christ.
@jeangerow7177
@jeangerow7177 Жыл бұрын
Prospective adopters need to approach adoption of Native American children just as they would adopting a child from a foreign country. BTW, there are plenty of poor white children evangelicals could try to take from poor white families if they think their higher income entitles them to do so. Native children are off the table.
@JohnJohnson-jf8xy
@JohnJohnson-jf8xy Жыл бұрын
My family is native and french.i was raised by my grandparents.if they do apot they should teach the kids there heritage
@rileybrewer
@rileybrewer Жыл бұрын
"Laura and Pete Lupo of Lynden, Wash., raised Elle, who was less than 2 percent Cherokee and who came to them at age 14 months from a mother who was a drug addict and a father who was in prison. When Elle was 3, her uncle objected to the Lupos adopting her, and she was given to him."
@cielonehellofaservicedog4648
@cielonehellofaservicedog4648 Жыл бұрын
And so? She should be with family.
@tyronesoares3268
@tyronesoares3268 Жыл бұрын
It's unbelievable that missionary and corporate power can still operate in this way. Pure evil.
@marti5420
@marti5420 Жыл бұрын
Transgender rights go first, women rights go next, minority rights next Welcome to phase 3! We in phase one tried to warn you.
@tonyfanfarone
@tonyfanfarone Жыл бұрын
Yes, it’s the old “ they came for the *** but I was not one, so it didn’t concern me, then they came for the *** but I was not one so it didn’t concern me... so on and so on until then they came for me and no one was left to stop them. It is the they and them we need to worry about. It is part of the religious grasp for power that we see playing out in the US.
@Max_Griswald
@Max_Griswald Жыл бұрын
Ahh yes, because the transgenders really care about women's rights (NOT!)
@jjall663
@jjall663 Жыл бұрын
We are in 2023 and these people are still tortured on THEIR OWN LAND by people who's ancestors aren't even indigenous.
@danielfinely8746
@danielfinely8746 Жыл бұрын
Was adopted at 3 years old , had learning issue's with public education , went to the land way long before i met our natural father's side of the family with our foster father , most tribal nations have lost their connection with the land , found them out years ago , 😆 it's bad that's what up with the suicide's , drug and alcohol abuse they couldn't find what to put in their hearts because that was taken from them in the catholic church/school area by molesters , the abusers are called the 'split family "or' the family" they operate the tribal government offices , so when these folk's went to law enforcement about their missing nothing happened , because their involved and local officials are as well , our boot camp is the state prison , so thankful i was not raised by any of these reservations people , come here and found what i was looking for , true fact
@harris977
@harris977 Жыл бұрын
Grievances
@marschlosser4540
@marschlosser4540 Жыл бұрын
This is so for all peoples, not just us. Other do not think like us, or react as we do. Pappy had a cuz who was sent to Carlisle when he was 6. He hated democrats ever since.
@blueknight07
@blueknight07 Жыл бұрын
That couple should never be allowed to have children, ever.
@running4coffee
@running4coffee Жыл бұрын
If this law is removed does that mean any native American child could be take from there homes?
@bunnytailss
@bunnytailss Жыл бұрын
essentially.
@aerystargaryenii2565
@aerystargaryenii2565 Жыл бұрын
Don't worry it wasn't voted out the law remains 🎉
@lovethatforme
@lovethatforme Жыл бұрын
Maybe ICWA should be reformed. Those that wish to adopt of foster native children should be educated on their heritage and agree to include the children in heritage classes and activities. I think that should be the standard for any interracial adoptions. However, I do believe that any capable, responsible and loving couple should be able to adopt any type of child.
@lovethatforme
@lovethatforme Жыл бұрын
@Badussy I understand the point. Did you ever think about the fact that I disagree with it? I’ve been following ICWA since the Lexi case 7 years ago. Seeing how Lexi was torn from people that LOVED HER and had her for 4 years just to take her to people that she had no emotional connection to because she’s 1/64th Choctaw Indian. Like that’s insane to me.
@lovethatforme
@lovethatforme Жыл бұрын
@Badussy I’m not even calling for a complete overturn on icwa, I’m calling for a REFORM. Because currently how ICWA is, it’s dangerous, it can cause trauma and people will and have abused it. But you don’t care about that or about kids, just your social warrior points right? See a couple tiktoks and you think you know everything right?
@marceloildahernandez1296
@marceloildahernandez1296 Жыл бұрын
Native American adoption should be because the family plans to support the child not the child supporting the adopting family thru culture benefits!
@carter4396
@carter4396 Жыл бұрын
I can’t find any source about this being religiously motivated
@bunnytailss
@bunnytailss Жыл бұрын
does it matter ? they’re trying to overturn something that protects native cultures. if it’s not religiously motivated, it’s still disgusting.
@sb416
@sb416 Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah. Someone needs to un-alieeve them IMMEDIATELY.
@v.leewalker8640
@v.leewalker8640 Жыл бұрын
🤞
@TheTruthali
@TheTruthali Жыл бұрын
Where is this act for black children
@charliewright7564
@charliewright7564 Жыл бұрын
If they are citizens of the United States, then they are covered by the 1980 Child wellfare law, and the state CPS is their "ICWA" basically. It has a lower standard of effort on the part of CPS though, ICWA required "Active Efforts" to try to prevent breakup's of families, the non native equivalent only required "Reasonable Efforts" which is a grade lower. I would want to see ICWA's standard of Active Efforts be the standard for all children native and non native alike, as children are best kept with the families "If safe", and efforts should be made to try and 1. address the underlying cause for removal, and 2. if possible after mitigation, work towards reunited children with their family. Fosters and adoption should ALWAYS be a last resort.
@HighOnCaffine9623
@HighOnCaffine9623 Жыл бұрын
F THE BRACKEENS F CLARENCE THOMAS
@dianadowie3985
@dianadowie3985 Жыл бұрын
That's so evil to take people children away for profit and steal their culture away from them.
@Max_Griswald
@Max_Griswald Жыл бұрын
They didn't take people's children away, the children were up for adoption because they didn't have anyone.
@Zaniel8
@Zaniel8 Жыл бұрын
So exhausted from listening to christian terrorist cry about their 'Messages' from doG and how mean we all are for Not doin Whatever They tell us they Want ....
@DarthVader-yd9id
@DarthVader-yd9id Жыл бұрын
Who is this Shawn kings sister? She's white
@goodanytimej8688
@goodanytimej8688 Жыл бұрын
Im not touching this with a 100 foot pole
@Jaws10214
@Jaws10214 Жыл бұрын
With 3 trump traitors on that bench... itll be a fight.
@briar8855
@briar8855 Жыл бұрын
I hope they never know peace.
@kirbyak47
@kirbyak47 Жыл бұрын
Lol like animals they cand adopted around and + Brian washing the kids 🤣 😂
@mook_butt8037
@mook_butt8037 Жыл бұрын
....what?
@veramae4098
@veramae4098 Жыл бұрын
Oh please don't take this child away from his parents, no matter what the court's decision, if he's happy.. There was a man, German, who was in U.S., had an affair and he took off, she had baby and gave it up for adoption. Man came back and DEMANDED his child because he had not agreed to adoption. Baby was literally torn from adoptive parents' arms. In Michigan. Man reconciled with woman, they played family for a year in Iowa, and then he took off again. Now woman is raising this kid alone, poor, never really wanted him.
@GraveRot
@GraveRot Жыл бұрын
Adoption is all about money anyway
@christahewitt2758
@christahewitt2758 Жыл бұрын
This makes me soooo angry. They are trying to dismantle Native culture when they steal the children.
@rfresa
@rfresa Жыл бұрын
Christianity is culpable for so much evil. Some missionaries have no idea of how much damage they are doing, but others are deliberately setting out to destroy the cultures of the people they claim to want to help.
@tonyfanfarone
@tonyfanfarone Жыл бұрын
They know. No one is that wilfully ignorant.
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
How can one fault Christianity as a whole when there are hundreds of denominations who may all hold different views?
@benjaminchylla5212
@benjaminchylla5212 Жыл бұрын
@@tonyfanfarone Willful ignorance toward marginalized people seems to be a bit of a common trend.
@tonyfanfarone
@tonyfanfarone Жыл бұрын
@@benjaminchylla5212 it is a sad way to be. Shame really, they might have learned something. Although with that crowd, they have all the answers already.
@TheOnlyHatchet101
@TheOnlyHatchet101 Жыл бұрын
Nice to see other humans pretend to care about children's rights and who are pretending to protect them.
@donpeters9849
@donpeters9849 Жыл бұрын
Shee's a tribal lawyer, yet refers to the tribe as "Native Indians"? WTF? Native Americans!
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
So should the Bureau of Indian Affairs be called the Bureau of Native American Affairs? The people of Indian reservations use the term “Indian”, as does the federal government whose job it is to protect tribal sovereignty, but the farther away someone lives from a reservation, the less one likely is to use the term “Indian”.
@donpeters9849
@donpeters9849 Жыл бұрын
@@aycc-nbh7289 Not so, the term "Indian" derived due to Columbus thinking he was in India.
@aycc-nbh7289
@aycc-nbh7289 Жыл бұрын
@@donpeters9849 CGP Grey’s video explains it better than I did.
@annamix5026
@annamix5026 Жыл бұрын
I just wanna make sure that people here know that not all evangelicals/christians do this or see adoption as “missionary” work. I’ve always been taught that your kids are your mission field, no matter whose they are or what race they are. A calling for adopting a certain race for that mission seems pretty weird (but under certain circumstances is acceptable). I also know a woman who has adopted 6 native kids (not because they were native. Most people in my state are partially native) and she was the best option for them. She takes such good care of them and loves them so much. I think the tribes have taken more control over their own child placement network since then which they have full right to do. I just hope those kids now get a better outcome because of it.
@tankalove1749
@tankalove1749 Жыл бұрын
If the tribe can’t foster the children in the first place then they forfeit the child to the best loving family outside the tribe. Simple.
@aerystargaryenii2565
@aerystargaryenii2565 Жыл бұрын
No then the child is cared for by someone else in the tribe who are willing to raise them.
@JChang0114
@JChang0114 Жыл бұрын
Imagine Progressives advocating for segregation.
@naomibee8881
@naomibee8881 Жыл бұрын
Why are they calling them Indians? That is really confusing and a straight racial slur where I live.
@elizabethjones7723
@elizabethjones7723 Жыл бұрын
It's baked into the legal language. ICWA is the Indian Child Welfare Act.
@RevanBC
@RevanBC Жыл бұрын
She just called Natives Americans "Indians" XD
@blizz2748
@blizz2748 Жыл бұрын
They call themselves Indians too. Some groups at least.
@humbertsmith8864
@humbertsmith8864 Жыл бұрын
Get over yourself
@Thenoobestgirl
@Thenoobestgirl Жыл бұрын
I can see valid arguments for both sides, but what I'm really interested in is - does the kid get any say in this?
@SailorV1234
@SailorV1234 Жыл бұрын
Nope. People can adopt Native American children but if the tribe decides that the family is unfit (no abuse needed, it can literally be because the couple is white and Christian) the native kids will be taken away. Can happen at ANY time until the child is 18. It’s why my bio Dad didn’t sign my birth certificate. His tribe had zero say and I could stay with my parents.
@johnschultz8906
@johnschultz8906 Жыл бұрын
Well maybe we should just cut all ties and let the reservations figure out what to do with the children who are affected by the rampant drug and alcohol abuse
@cielonehellofaservicedog4648
@cielonehellofaservicedog4648 Жыл бұрын
Quit being a racist.
@rogerstone521
@rogerstone521 Жыл бұрын
If a family is properly vetted, being non abusive and provides a good home with food/shelter, these are the most important issues. To use race as a criteria is racist. If they are Christian, Jewish or Moslem should not be an issue unless it's an extreme version of said religion. One would hope the vetting process would take that into consideration but nothing is perfect.
@rajashashankgutta4334
@rajashashankgutta4334 Жыл бұрын
Well Indian tribes are like foreign nation and must get a say in adoption
@charliewright7564
@charliewright7564 Жыл бұрын
It's not based on race. Only federally recognized natives does this law ICWA apply to. Because federally recognized tribes and their citizens, are like having dual citizenship, in the U.S. and a tribe, it's not based on being "Racially" native American, but holding tribal citizenship recognized by the federal government. State recognized natives this would not apply to as this is federal only. ITS NOT BASED ONE RACE!!! so much ignorance. They really need to teach this stuff in grade school so folks like yourself would not be so ignorant.
@homeaccount7977
@homeaccount7977 Жыл бұрын
Tribal member - 2% Indian DNA, gets special legal treatment, free stuff. Hispanics - over 75% Indian DNA, zero special treatment, works 3 jobs
@carrieullrich5059
@carrieullrich5059 Жыл бұрын
Incorrect. Only some tribes were federally recognized, and your ancestors have to be specific tribal traitors that signed a specific treaty with the Federal government and your tribe... And, the United States of America has never honored all the terms of any of the thousands of treaties with the Federal government. They're empty promises. Tribal government sometimes shares the little they have with whomever is registered, but most of us even full and half blood children don't qualify for tribal membership on the federal government rules.
@homeaccount7977
@homeaccount7977 Жыл бұрын
@@carrieullrich5059 umm no, ur incorrect. I used to work for a "native American business" that got all types of tax breaks. The owner was a red haired blue eyed white guy, but somehow was a member of a "tribe" even tho he's white af. Half of these "indians" look like Elizabeth Warren
@thatlady7193
@thatlady7193 Жыл бұрын
Why would Hispanics of different nationalities be qualified to get benefits of the tribes that are in the United States? The US government doesn't owe Aztecs and Mayans in Central America reparations because they weren't the ones who conquered them, it was the Spanish.
@homeaccount7977
@homeaccount7977 Жыл бұрын
@@thatlady7193 So you truly believe the U.S. government never took land away from Hispanic people in Florida, California, Texas, etc. Lol how ignorant 🤣
@charliewright7564
@charliewright7564 Жыл бұрын
Tribal Member - 2% "Indian" can trace linage to a tribe in California, knows the name of that tribe, the culture, stories'/ceremonies. Hispanic - has over 75% "Indian" blood, but from unknown tribe or tribes in MEXICO, which is not a state of the United States, and thus not eligible for "Free stuff" from the federal government. Lol free stuff hah.
@tnttagger6559
@tnttagger6559 Жыл бұрын
I don't see where videos like this are getting the idea that dissolving ICWA is an erasure of native culture, or a threat to their children. Any valid family, deemed suitable by CPS, should be able to adopt any kid. Why should that not apply to specifically indigenous American children? This isn't an issue of "protecting" native kids, imo. I don't like the current SCOTUS by any means, but if they void ICWA I won't be mourning.
@ladylaurus8493
@ladylaurus8493 Жыл бұрын
There was a GENOCIDE of native people and culture that traumatized generations of children. Those children should be allowed to stay with their tribe and keep their identity. Not shipped off to a white family to have their heads shaved or hair cut off if they happen to be a boy or have their culture stripped from them. Some white families are abusive. I knew a little native girl in the same fosterhome where we were both abused. She got pregnant and committed suicide at 15.
@kanoraguy
@kanoraguy Жыл бұрын
And that is the problem, you don’t see how removing a child from their culture hurts them. IT’s attitude like that which created Indian boarding schools where the Indian was beaten out of the children
@ridingyourdad
@ridingyourdad Жыл бұрын
@@kanoraguy it's also the idea that "you should stick to your tribe" that created racism. We are a melting pot.
@adamblue2980
@adamblue2980 Жыл бұрын
Did you watch the video? It was all articulated very clearly.
@susanavilez9302
@susanavilez9302 Жыл бұрын
The federal government did all they could to destroy and remove the Indian, individually and the core of the family with separations. They banned language, they banned religion until 1978, they had forced Indian schools the last one closing in 1996, they had forced nonconsensual sterilization until 1976, they banned dances, they banned ceremonies, they intentionally, separated families to destroy the core of the family., they banned traditions, they banned culture. More Natives have served in all branches of military per capita yet, couldn't vote until 1963. Native children need to be with Native families to preserve and protect all that remains of what the government tried to destroy and eliminate in the Native life. Natives Americans faced genocide and they are only 9.7 million left. We have DNA like no other unique to Turtle Island, we originated here and no place else. according to latest science. Preserve what is left and the Brackeen's won't do that. Yes, if kids get adopted out by non-Native's there will be more child trafficking of Native children.
@ridingyourdad
@ridingyourdad Жыл бұрын
Alright so here's the problem I have with this. If you're preventing them from adopting because they're White and Christian, shame on you. That's plain discrimination and should be shunned vehemently by everyone. If they're TRULY trying to bring the children to their tribe for wholesome reasons, I support it. The immediate description the attorney made makes me believe the former is true. Who cares what they look like or what their religious values are. They're working to give these children a home and that should be celebrated, by everyone.
@faustustecuhtli1117
@faustustecuhtli1117 Жыл бұрын
What do you know about being Native?
@ridingyourdad
@ridingyourdad Жыл бұрын
@@YourCapyBruv_do_u_rmbr_3Dpipes I don't get what
@ridingyourdad
@ridingyourdad Жыл бұрын
@@faustustecuhtli1117 I was born in this country. I am American. Just because I don't have certain blood within me that means I'm not allowed to voice my opinion? I can't think about this? We shouldn't voice our opinions? What kind of ignorant comment was that.
@littlebitofhope1489
@littlebitofhope1489 Жыл бұрын
No, that is not at all what is happening. You can't segregate people into categories to subjugate them, and then complain when they don't want you to have their relatives. There is a LONG history of children being taken away from the Tribes to destroy culture AND to change their religion. That is HUGELY traumatic. You don't get to further traumatize an entire group of people just because you want to indoctrinate children into your religion. This is about INDOCTRINATION, not giving them a home. The TRIBE gets to decide where their children go. You are horribly ignorant about the history this represents. Get an education.
@TomyPesantes
@TomyPesantes Жыл бұрын
@@ridingyourdad I understand your point but, I think you might not realize that this case has repercussions beyond just adoption, this has repercussions about the safety and continuation of the indigenous people
@faustustecuhtli1117
@faustustecuhtli1117 Жыл бұрын
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