How (and Why) to Remind Players of Past Adventures - Vox Machina, Ep. 38 | Critical Role Demystified

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Vox Machina revisits the site of a pre-stream quest so Matt can foreshadow an upcoming adventure, and Scanlan’s backstory rears its head in a very interesting way…
CW: Almost-incest (semi-accidental)
Chapters:
00:00 - Recap: Daxio’s Trial
03:28 - Lesson: Scanlan’s “Backstory” Takes Focus
09:47 - Lesson: Previously, When Y’all Fought a Dragon…
16:14 - Outro
You can watch the full episode here:
Episode 38 - Echoes of the Past
• Echoes of the Past | C...
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@SupergeekMike
@SupergeekMike 11 ай бұрын
Have you ever returned to the scene of older adventures when your group was much higher-level?
@pablosoria4071
@pablosoria4071 11 ай бұрын
In our first adventure, the party went up against an evil druid who was planning to make nature overtake the world by force, so obviously they had to stop that. In the process, they kinda really pissed off the druid and made him think that there was basically no salvation for the world, which, when the druid was killed, turned him into a Revenant seeking revenge and to end what he started but now with much less savory methods. The reveal when they returned to the place of the first adventure and it was nothing but overgrown dead nature and corpses was majestic.
@Spooglecraft
@Spooglecraft 2 ай бұрын
we played a campaign based on the shackles campaign for pathfinder, set in a modified version of faerun (the continent had been split apart and the pirate islands were in the sea of the fallen stars, which was an ocean in this version). the dm had us play a prologue first, a caravan escort mission from baldurs gate to westgate. in westgate, we got to know the thieves guild and a dwarven clan and took on a mission for the temple of calistria. that mission ended with us getting stabbed in the back, as we were made to fall asleep and found ourselves waking up as slaves on a pirate ship. after lots of adventuring, which involved taking over the ship and becoming our own crew, traveling across the sea, being banished to an underwater city and returning, winning an island in a ship race, ridding said island of gnolls and cyclops and shars corruption, and much more, we made a trip to westgate in preparation for the finale. we met up with the thieves guild and the dwarven clan again, the latter of which was the background for my new character, as my old one had died for the final time in hell. the campaign also had us visit some locations repeatedly, but this was by far the greatest level gap between two times in the same place.
@smoogieboogie1694
@smoogieboogie1694 11 ай бұрын
The talk with Kaylie was (I think) the first instance that showed how amazing Sam is at improvising an amazing speech. And it's a skill that comes back multiple times in campaigns and one shots.
@Antilles1974
@Antilles1974 11 ай бұрын
"Improving", (as in "improve," to "make better") or "improvising" (as in, to perform spontaneously without preparation)?
@smoogieboogie1694
@smoogieboogie1694 11 ай бұрын
@@Antilles1974 The second. Sorry, it was autocorrect being weird.
@user-jt1js5mr3f
@user-jt1js5mr3f 10 ай бұрын
It’s also the first moment I think the game really connected in a personal way for Sam. It was all fun and jokes before this, but now he actually has something to ground him as a character and player that isn’t just goofy. We can also thank this for resulting in some of the most heart wrenching moments later…
@literallynamedcalypso172
@literallynamedcalypso172 11 ай бұрын
Sam's response to the revelation about Kaylie is really one of the first times, that I feel at least, we are shown just how much potential Scanlan has as a character if everything he does is not taken as a joke or thrown to the side. (bit of foreshadowing). It also demonstrates Sam's amazing improv skills.
@danielbeshers1689
@danielbeshers1689 11 ай бұрын
Something I would also add regarding this episode, and tips for non-DM players: really consider Sam's response to the situation and how him playing into it leads to several other incredibly important events, particularly in an episode that occurs almost FIFTY (50!) shows later, over a year in the real world. It all starts here, where Matt gives Sam the option for some character development and Sam chooses the "Hold my ale" option. Someone more protective of their character, more precious about controlling their narrative arc, could have made very different choices. Sam, clearly, was not nearly so rigid about keeping Scanlan and his place in the party unchanged.
@Boundwithflame23
@Boundwithflame23 11 ай бұрын
I like the subtle foreshadowing Matt gives through Daxio when he says the walls between the planes are thinnest at Winter’s Crest.
@lakekoocanusa
@lakekoocanusa 11 ай бұрын
I've said it before, I'll say it again, Kaylie's nat 1 is probably the most memorable nat 1 in the game. If you let them, the dice are a good maybe even the best story teller.
@Kuribohcoast
@Kuribohcoast 11 ай бұрын
I need Taliesin and Marisha to sit next to eachother again
@majorzipf8947
@majorzipf8947 7 ай бұрын
Me too! I loved their dynamic in this series
@MogoPrime
@MogoPrime 11 ай бұрын
Scanlan's entirely wholesome, heartfelt, and frankly transformative reaction to learning who Kaylie was is still one of my favorite moments of character growth. I'm still not finished with campaign 1 (there are so many episodes oh my god) but Sam instantly gained so much respect from me in so little time with this episode.
@LeRodz
@LeRodz 11 ай бұрын
Man it feels so good to revisit early CR. Laura stopping everything to get Trinket, the yelp joke, Vax and Gilmore talking it out, the Kaylie reveal (all of which i forgot even were in the same episode). I wouldn't trade those little moments for nothing. Makes me much happier i started CR before TLOVM released or else i might have skipped C1 entirely.
@user-jt1js5mr3f
@user-jt1js5mr3f 10 ай бұрын
I actually started c1 BECAUSE of LoVM. CR was too intimidating for a long time, but the show eased me in. I do find it baffling how many people don’t watch it. I honestly think their most genuine D&D moments come from c1, and it’s really cool to see
@zefiewings
@zefiewings 11 ай бұрын
oh that's great advice about using a little 'side quest' to refresh an important past event!
@kylebeardsley6200
@kylebeardsley6200 11 ай бұрын
"They're not going to throw the baby in a papoose and go on adventures, right?" Me: yeah, that seems unlikely, they're pretty serious "These players would never ever take a baby on an adventure with them" Me: Yeah, Matt would probably find some way to punish them for that "Especially not more than once during Campaign 2" Me: Oh yeah, that happened. Spoilers: I think it was technically twice: Once with Kiri early on, and once later with Luc on the plane of fire. In the party's defense, Kiri had no family, and they left her in the first situation that was reasonably safe as soon as possible, since the swamp town wasn't exactly friendly, and bringing Luc, Marion, and Yeza along was literally out of survival necessity.
@wolfyblackknight8321
@wolfyblackknight8321 11 ай бұрын
Was just going to say that. Granted the mighty nein weren't exactly the best role models but they atleast tried and made a point of not actively putting the kid/non-combatents in danger when possible.
@D33dums
@D33dums 11 ай бұрын
"They would never throw the baby in a papoose and go adventuring". laughs in Oxventurers Seal Gaimon.
@jamesbarton3017
@jamesbarton3017 11 ай бұрын
and Alfred Strangetide, the explorer guy
@wolfyblackknight8321
@wolfyblackknight8321 11 ай бұрын
To be fair those were grown adults who just weren't cut out fir combat or dangerous exploration but had some reason to go along anyway.
@abrilvonbunny6205
@abrilvonbunny6205 11 ай бұрын
I had loved Scanlan before... but this scene... his monologue ... This was the moment I fell in love with him and Sam Riegel in a major way... I was exactly how I imagined Scanlan would react and it cemented his values in my mind
@GAdmThrawn
@GAdmThrawn 11 ай бұрын
Matt's ability to focus on character's backstories at certain times is something that has inspired me in my own campaigns. I have recently finished one such side-quest that took quite a bit more time than I had originally expected. Once that arc was completed, I had my players offer their opinions and comments to it. If there were things that they liked, things that they didn't, and so that way they can think upon their own backstories and offer ideas. I have received quite a bit more detail from one of my players on his character that I want to focus on the next time. It's cool that Matt devised this adventure as not just a way to be a precursor to the upcoming Chroma Conclave arc, but also to help the cast remember their previous adventure and have it fresh in their minds again once the arc starts.
@spacecat8511
@spacecat8511 10 ай бұрын
ALWAYS be suspicious when the DM just gives away free buffs. ALWAYS.
@SummerOtaku
@SummerOtaku 11 ай бұрын
Ooo good episode! I can totally see how the attitudes of the group started from ‘not entirely sure why we are here’ to ‘oh shit this is probably some unfinished dangerous/profitable business we totally forgot to follow up on’. Nice!
@BrandonDuckett
@BrandonDuckett 10 ай бұрын
Imagine an alternate timeline... where Sam decided Scanlan was not a good person at heart, but in fact straight evil. Imagine if in that room, after her confession, Scanlan didn't want the secret to be let out that he had a daughter. Imagine that initiative did get rolled... and Scanlan won the fight... and hid the fact that they were related. Didn't hide her death, but claimed she was a crazy fan girl and started attacking him. Imagine how that dark secret would have changed the tone of everything ever done by Scanlan. DND is wild yo.
@beth5627
@beth5627 11 ай бұрын
I just finished the Vox Machina Campaign the first time a few hours ago! Funny that coincided with your upload schedule. I'm excited for the episodes to come that I've actually seen fully (instead of skipping due to stuff that has been adapted already)
@zippomage
@zippomage 11 ай бұрын
blarg! I'm excited to see what you say about The Event, which apparently happens in the next couple eps, not this one like I thought!
@wolfox7776
@wolfox7776 11 ай бұрын
Oh Dear, Daddy Scanman has been awakened.
@billberndtson
@billberndtson 11 ай бұрын
These are fun - I wish I had the money to help make it weekly. 🙂
@TalicZealot
@TalicZealot 11 ай бұрын
The last part of Omens is still one of my favorite things that has happened on CR, will be very interesting to hear your thoughts on that whole thing and the setup for it.
@TakeWalker
@TakeWalker 11 ай бұрын
"...especially not more than once during campaign two!" XD
@dolphin64575
@dolphin64575 11 ай бұрын
Thank you for showing us so many great jokes, too! 😂
@AlexDelux2500
@AlexDelux2500 11 ай бұрын
I´m yelping it. Sam Riegel, guys.
@Teethmafia
@Teethmafia 11 ай бұрын
I like Mike.
@user-jt1js5mr3f
@user-jt1js5mr3f 10 ай бұрын
I always appreciate these. They’re fun visits to the past AND helpful as a new DM.
@sqscarlett
@sqscarlett 10 ай бұрын
You, sir, are truly doing the gods' work. Thank you for providing this content to the under-serviced demo of new critters. It can be so overwhelming getting into something this long-standing, much like with D&D itself. The realms need more approachable, educational content like this.
@Mister_Mag00
@Mister_Mag00 9 ай бұрын
this was the fundamental change in scanclans character, and why he started taking the constant barbs and insults by vex to heart and why well we'll get to that episode soon enough :P
@tellmeaboutyourgame314
@tellmeaboutyourgame314 10 ай бұрын
This is a good series, Mike. Damn good series.
@bristowski
@bristowski 11 ай бұрын
This is a good channel. This is a good series. I like Mike.
@mistaree8394
@mistaree8394 11 ай бұрын
During this episode it struck me how charming it was back when their show was kinda amature. I like their present production value but back then it felt more like anybodies RPG table.
@ShyyGaladriel
@ShyyGaladriel 11 ай бұрын
I love this episode
@simonboyle4459
@simonboyle4459 11 ай бұрын
I remember sams yelping moment 💜
@manueltorresart2345
@manueltorresart2345 11 ай бұрын
The Scanlan and Kaylie scene was so incredible and at that time I think I learned you can talk to avoid conflict (more than when they met the druid and the roc, because that felt more like a dialectic battle).
@lefterismplanas4977
@lefterismplanas4977 11 ай бұрын
I don't remember if we wer learn about that skul and gem. Will you tell us about if it does not ?
@MrMark069
@MrMark069 11 ай бұрын
It comes back into the story. As usual, hilarity ensues.
@leadingblind1629
@leadingblind1629 11 ай бұрын
I did the 3 men and a baby thing. "baby" sister who was seriously op for a 6 yr old lol. Unfortunately my damn must have painted us into a corner the second things got interesting because... In spite of my Hardline of not killing off the child, he, put her into a f****** magical coma, and we switched campaigns after that. Given the history of switching campaigns as soon as I actually find it interesting, this is an amazing trend
@maxmcbride1840
@maxmcbride1840 11 ай бұрын
Dude, I just noticed you have Numenera on your back shelf, I just found this the other day. I was like, that looks familiar. A niche and cool pick Have you gotten to try it yet?
@SupergeekMike
@SupergeekMike 11 ай бұрын
I have not yet! But hopefully soon :)
@laioszafeiriou4388
@laioszafeiriou4388 11 ай бұрын
Hey, which specials are you covering here?
@user-jt1js5mr3f
@user-jt1js5mr3f 10 ай бұрын
Which special? This was a regular episode
@pyrusblade39
@pyrusblade39 5 күн бұрын
Later Campaign Spoilers Something I find interesting is the bust that Kreig had of J'mon. Moresore why he had it? Could he have known J'mon was also a dragon? There is a connection as J'mon fought a younger Thordak. Did he just think it was a nice bust? Could it be he used it to antagonize as J'mon's a metallic dragon? Its a very interesting choice and I wonder what the connection or lack of one is.
@kelvinrichardson5324
@kelvinrichardson5324 11 ай бұрын
I much prefer Matchstick Men to Elf, thanks.
@ArshikaTowers
@ArshikaTowers 11 ай бұрын
So...this entire 'Critical Role Demystified" collection you have going on is just you recapping each episode one by one? Could you be anymore boring?
@SnekkySnek
@SnekkySnek 11 ай бұрын
you need to stop interacting with content you dont like
@vincentlevarrick6557
@vincentlevarrick6557 11 ай бұрын
Did you not pay attention? It's not "just" recapping the episodes one by one - it's a case study. Every single one of these episodes, Mike has introduced and pointed out an aspect of the CR game that can change up the way you play, or DM your own D&D game.
@user-jt1js5mr3f
@user-jt1js5mr3f 10 ай бұрын
If you’re looking for a better use of your time, I’d suggest not complaining when you don’t have to. You also missed the entire point of the series…
@Fang1241
@Fang1241 3 ай бұрын
I'm sorry you have no media literacy
@ArshikaTowers
@ArshikaTowers 3 ай бұрын
@@Fang1241 What?
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