How Army Building Will Work in 10th Edition Warhammer 40,000

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How Army Building Will Work in 10th Edition Warhammer 40,000

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@davidcallier9679
@davidcallier9679 Жыл бұрын
They have said that Boarding Patrol rules will still work with 10th, so that's another option for smaller 500 point games...
@piotrjeske4599
@piotrjeske4599 Жыл бұрын
Only who wants to play those when abadon can solo entire boarding patrols on his own.
@MrZacharyMc
@MrZacharyMc Жыл бұрын
I bet the new combat patrol and boarding patrol kinda blend in to one game. One just with vehicles and one without.
@markxivlxii1390
@markxivlxii1390 Жыл бұрын
I've never played 40k but the simplified new rule set + combat patrol is really appealing to me. This may get me into the game.
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
It's looking really promising, the articles have been releasing some great info.
@earnestwanderer2471
@earnestwanderer2471 Жыл бұрын
Like everything so far. Interested to see if they keep the simplified point system like in the Astra Militarum codex.
@poohbear4821
@poohbear4821 Жыл бұрын
Thank god youre not restricted to rules for your paint scheme. Using SM as an example, the entire point of codex compliant chapters is that they all use the tactics from the codex astartes so theres no reason why the ultarmarines would fight any different to imperial fists
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
It's a good move, and your example is bang on. I was considering doing a custom Space Marine army so this is great news. Can't wait to find out more!
@Angron_Of_Nuceria
@Angron_Of_Nuceria Жыл бұрын
This is probably the most excited I’ve been for 40K ever
@Morrodin182
@Morrodin182 Жыл бұрын
I really like what I see from 10th edition so far. I just hope that they will keep the rules free for the whole edition and that it eventually spills over to AoS. Less money to spend on rules = more money to spend on plastic-crack :P
@Original-Yellow
@Original-Yellow Жыл бұрын
Just like 8th I feel this is gonna start with good ideas and have executive decisions annihilate it.
@LordCommanderJoe
@LordCommanderJoe Жыл бұрын
Great video!Can’t wait for the new addition I have recently started a new space marines army of Celestial Lions in preparation for 10th and am looking forward to seeing how the game develops and testing out my new army!
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
Thanks! Sounds awesome, it's fun getting all these updates, I didn't expect so much this soon 🥳
@0AbsolutZero0
@0AbsolutZero0 Жыл бұрын
Hopefully they'll have Battleline options for subfactions like in Sigmar. For example a Dark Angels army could have Terminators as Battleline so they can take up to 6 units while other subfactions can only take up to 3 units
@francoabad4911
@francoabad4911 Жыл бұрын
Depending on the leaders, right, picking Samael to allow 6 ravenwing bikes instead of 3
@matchstick-man
@matchstick-man Жыл бұрын
Almost seems terrifyingly simple. Like I'm watching for a catch.
@andrewcook3983
@andrewcook3983 Жыл бұрын
I wonder how many detachments there will end up being, and the number each Codex will have. In the Adepticon Preview stream, Mike mentioned a 1st Company Detachment for Space Marines, so heavy on Termies and other veterans maybe?
@paladinpariah325
@paladinpariah325 Жыл бұрын
If you go back and look at 7th edition, some armies had over a dozen detachments or more. Every campaign book would add more detachments for lots of armies. The Montka book, for example, added a bunch of detachments for Tau and Raven Guard because those were the two armies highlighted in that campaign. So you're going to see some detachments in the core indexes and then see more gradually added as the edition piles on more books. All of them are going to aimed at making you buy more models and could very easily be pretty game breaking because of this.
@andrewcook3983
@andrewcook3983 Жыл бұрын
@@paladinpariah325 I suspect you are right, though I seem to remember that somewhere GW indicated that not all detachments would be valid for Matched Play. Some would just be for funzies.
@RTL2L
@RTL2L 5 ай бұрын
Nice and short. Thank you!
@cabellism
@cabellism Жыл бұрын
So we can/will be able to do triple Smash Captain? "At least one character rule is checked, and up to 3 of one data sheet, checked"
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
Does look like it!
@earnestwanderer2471
@earnestwanderer2471 Жыл бұрын
Wonder what the limit will be on the number of characters and named characters.
@Nick_Whiskey
@Nick_Whiskey Жыл бұрын
i think its pretty clear they took the best rules (or the ones that could best match up with) from age of sigmar, since it definitely has the better ruleset out of the two games. its interesting that you dont have to take any battleline at all, and instead of a minimum, they put a maximum.
@gabriellee9887
@gabriellee9887 Жыл бұрын
so to make sure I heard this right battleline is not req in a army thou if I do choice to add some, I can do up to 6 where normally max of 3 set of that unit data sheet.? or is this like 9th where I much have at least one set of battleline units?
@Alex_The_Raptor
@Alex_The_Raptor 11 ай бұрын
I am new to 40K and this is the simplest explanation I have seen yet after hours of research. Looking to make a World Eaters Army. Around 2000 points.
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames 11 ай бұрын
Thanks, Alex, glad it was helpful
@inkakuna
@inkakuna Жыл бұрын
I've been trying to get into the game for a little while, but the whole army building rules are so daunting. I like this simplification, maybe some detachments have more synergy with a specific subfaction
@jeffreysas5888
@jeffreysas5888 Жыл бұрын
Really helpful for new players to get into it, or for people who want to go for thematic armies without having to "pay Troops Taxes". I see it less as "simplified" and more "cutting the fat".
@MikeNicosia
@MikeNicosia 3 ай бұрын
Great video! I am new to 40k and I am a little confused on “can include up to 3 units of each data sheet, and up to 6 units with battle-line, etc”. Is a unit referring to each model, so 6 total models, or a unit being a set amount like 10 of one model. Thanks!
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames 3 ай бұрын
I haven't been playing 10th edition I'm afraid, so hopefully someone here can clarify with up to date info.
@tobiasschwabe1670
@tobiasschwabe1670 Жыл бұрын
Do i hear "Wild Rider Host", "Spirit Host" or "Black Guardians" for Eldar ?
@victoryh67
@victoryh67 9 ай бұрын
Do we still need to form our army according to detachments in 9th edition, like the ones which restricts what kind of unit to include in the detachment.
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames 9 ай бұрын
I soon stopped playing 40k after the release, so hopefully someone in the comments can you help you.
@TheBobcatlover
@TheBobcatlover Жыл бұрын
This edition might get me back into 40k... I'd need to be super selective though, I don't want to end up with every faction from another system 😅
@tusorlaszlo9399
@tusorlaszlo9399 Жыл бұрын
And what about Imperial Knights? or Chaos Knights?
@Crunch2327
@Crunch2327 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to this. Thx for vid.
@TheKermit2110
@TheKermit2110 Жыл бұрын
I’m new to the hobby, but isn’t the points system based on overall I.e. both yours and opponents army, so 1000pts is 500 each, or have I misunderstood some old edition ruling that compared points to power levels?
@robertlowe4784
@robertlowe4784 Жыл бұрын
It looks like Infantry guard is back, 6 Infantry, 6 cadian, 6 catachan, 6 krieg and 3 each of kasrkin and scions...lol
@shaunscott4773
@shaunscott4773 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for these. 40k is sounding much more interesting!
@peters.9463
@peters.9463 Жыл бұрын
The new rules sounds good so far. I was a bit over motivated when I came back to the hobby 1 year ago. I immediately bought the rules for WH40K 9th edition and the Blood Angels codex. Now I didn't played a single game in 40K 9th edition, because I couldn't find someone to play (thanks to COVID too). I am glad that the new rules will be free for download! But finally I think I found a group and some sort of local game store recently. So maybe I will be able to finally play the game! :)
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
That's awesome you've found a group, makes a huge difference to the hobby. Have fun!
@chriskladis1033
@chriskladis1033 Жыл бұрын
Sounds great. Will they still be supporting the 500 point boarding patrols?
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
No those Boarding Patrols are limited purchases. The Boarding actions rules will cross over to 10th edition, though, so the 500 point games should still be viable under the match play rules.
@superspecky4eyes
@superspecky4eyes Жыл бұрын
What if I want a 500 pt game with my own, non-combat patrol, models?
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
I'm sure open play will still be a thing and then you can do whatever you like.
@buryitdeep
@buryitdeep Жыл бұрын
This is smart play by GW. The rules and multiple books to just fight a game was what kept many out of 40k. Now with an easy approach they can get more new people in.
@JohnnyRico118
@JohnnyRico118 Жыл бұрын
I remember back in high school I had a friend who barely had any money but was obsessed with 40k. He bought a few khorne units and the daemons codex but then GW released the next daemons codex like a month later. He basically gave up at that point.
@jonathanmarsden5156
@jonathanmarsden5156 Жыл бұрын
Downloaded core rules, datasheets for Space Marines and Tyranids. Can`t see any points for units anywhere, can you?
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
I believe the points are being released in the Munitorum Field Manual around the 16th June.
@mikedelta5861
@mikedelta5861 Жыл бұрын
Does this mean we can use the 20+ named Primaris lieutenants?
@Half_of_The_World
@Half_of_The_World Жыл бұрын
I am so so so glad that they aren't scrapping firstborns for now, I have no doubt that they will in the future, but for now my favourite thing about warhammer and the very reason I started playing is safe.
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
Same here, my Space Wolves are entirely firstborn; no Primaris allowed 🤣
@williamings773
@williamings773 Жыл бұрын
As long as HH exist firstborn aren't going anywhere. These Terminators are proof of that. Primaris just made people like firstborn more, and gave haters somthing to hate and fear monger. Luckily GW is a toy company and can corse correct easily.
@Half_of_The_World
@Half_of_The_World Жыл бұрын
@@williamings773 I don't hate them, but I would learn to hate them if they destroyed my firstborn army's playability, no way I can afford a whole new army just because of fancy new models
@Half_of_The_World
@Half_of_The_World Жыл бұрын
@@tabletopskirmishgames same for my Dark Angels and Iron Snakes, no primaris allowed, but I think if there is an upgrade sprue I would like to add those fancy new terminators to my Deathwing
@tity114
@tity114 Жыл бұрын
Can somone help me out. So i have a pure scion list of: x3 Tempestus command squad x6 Tempestus scion infantry platoon x9 Tarox Prime Questions: 1) I can only bring 3 Tempestus scion infantry units? 2) I can only bring 6 Taurox primes?
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
I believe you can bring more than 3 units of battle line units in 10th edition
@NedRigNerd
@NedRigNerd Жыл бұрын
Ok I'm completely new to Warhammer and I'm trying to understand. But what does like 3 units of the same data sheet mean? Like how many figures in total can that be and so on. Because it seems like especially for new people. There's no one explaining all this.
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
Using the Primaris Intercessors as an example, you can have 3 units comprising of 5-10 models each. The minimum number of models per unit is 5, and the maximum is 10.
@NedRigNerd
@NedRigNerd Жыл бұрын
@@tabletopskirmishgames I thought things like intercessors sqauds would fall under battlelines unit. But then what's the difference between the 3 units you can have and the six units you can have.
@SpooKimi
@SpooKimi Жыл бұрын
sad to see 500 and 750 games go as those were the ones i wanted to play, as they are short and interesting (also cheaper) my fav batrep channel always does 500 point batreps and they are by far my favs, will be a werid change to see them go to 1k games combat patrols are cool for peeps who just have combat patrols, or just to play the combat patrol box, but i can't see it become 500p games as well you have to stick with that 1 premade list the rest of how to make an army looks really straight forward and nice tough ^^ also so if i understand it right i can have max 6 units of gaunts (if they have battleline keyword) but only 3 units of genestealers (without that keyword) thnxfor another great vid explaining things ^^
@earnestwanderer2471
@earnestwanderer2471 Жыл бұрын
You always have to keep in mind that these restrictions apply to organized competition. There’s nothing to stop you and your friends from playing any point limit you want and/or house ruling army list building.
@SpooKimi
@SpooKimi Жыл бұрын
@@earnestwanderer2471 true, but idk how many peeps would be up for it if it's not supported by gw
@darthvader1494
@darthvader1494 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I have liked and subscribed
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
Thanks, Darth, but I will not go to the dark side! 😈
@darthvader1494
@darthvader1494 Жыл бұрын
@@tabletopskirmishgames but the Dark side is the meta 😳 🤣
@Rannos1677
@Rannos1677 Жыл бұрын
I started playing 40K back in the Rogue Trader / 2nd edition days and have loved the hobby. BUT 9th got too bloated and I stopped playing. I’m VERY excited about 10th! I’m particularly excited about being able to select detachment rules for my marines regardless of the color paint job! That’s HUGE!
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
Wow that's cool playing for so long, and shame 9th brought the run to an end. Yeah, a great bit of news for 10th, and awesome that you'll be playing again.
@piotrjeske4599
@piotrjeske4599 Жыл бұрын
No improvment for my GK terminator army . I Hope GW doesn't nerf ud like they did in the 8th index.
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
Fingers crossed!
@mrward6510
@mrward6510 Жыл бұрын
Not a fan of limited unit types. Only bring 6 squads of kriegsman for a krieg army ? Doesn't sound like it has any flavour anymore
@ce017
@ce017 Жыл бұрын
Gets rid of a lot of customisation. Eg, custom space marines and craftworlds
@ethermation
@ethermation Жыл бұрын
Tenth is really shaping up to be a fantastic ruleset for the game. A real breath of fresh air. 👍
@paladinpariah325
@paladinpariah325 Жыл бұрын
It actually sounds more like a mashup between 7th and 8th edition in terms of army building. Having played both of those editions, it feels far more like a retread than a breath of fresh air. It will probably feel like a breath of fresh air for the first year. After that codex creep and rules bloat will bog the game down again. I doubt it will ever get as bad as 9th was, being a spectacularly bad edition of 40k compared to others, but it will be less balanced, less playable, and less fun as it ages.
@carloschristanio4709
@carloschristanio4709 Жыл бұрын
Cant wait for the bloat to hit then 11th edition to clean everything up
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
🤣
@christopherwhaley5655
@christopherwhaley5655 Жыл бұрын
I love the AoS framework they are using but they have promised many times and failed at reducing the bloat in 40k
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
Let's hope they nail it this time!
@christopherwhaley5655
@christopherwhaley5655 Жыл бұрын
@@tabletopskirmishgames they just have to not go insane with power Creep and releasing a rulebook overhaul every three months and it will be great
@gr0mit948
@gr0mit948 Жыл бұрын
So happy for this as a noob/thicko. I always wanted proper structure for Combat Patrols so i don't really hav to fuck about with my army and fun matches in my local store.
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
It's a good move, will definitely help get more people into the game.
@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp
@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp Жыл бұрын
So I've been playing since the 3rd edition of 40k....most of my friends have been playing for nearly as long. Rarely did we need to flip through the books. The Rules have never been too difficult....Maybe once every 3 or 4th game we'd forget a rule. Honestly I don't recall any serious players needing to flip through the books habitually. So this entire narrative of "Flipping through the book". I think is just a bullet point 40k employees put out there and the community gobbled it right up. So I'm skeptical at jump street. I remember hero hammer and this sounds like a water down version of it. Plus hello Games Workshop is openly calling it's players stupid. It may be in a polite way but that's what it means. I play Chaos World Eaters and have since 5th or 6th & play Raven Guard. Also been playing them for ages. I like the idea of flexibility but I think it's going to be more like a...What's the point in playing anything but Ultra Marines scenario. Then as time goes on. they'll realize that it's too bland and that 90% of the appeal to 40k...is it's complexity. If they did it right..Then we should be able to mix Chapters... like it is in lore. Imperial fists added by White Scars or Ultra Marines & Grey Knights ect....or the very obvious one Dark Angel's saving Blood Angels or vice versa. This way the niche abilities of each chapter could be exploited. When we all read the list of crap going to legend too...We all said F that. So we're still going to use the stuff. One friend literally just bought two leviathan dreads too ha ha ha ha Typical GW. We are even thinking about starting a KZfaq channel called "Photo Copy" Hammer... Make photocopies of the minins, use popsicle sticks & glue them to bases. Absolutely 0 GW minis on the table and then play.
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
My boy and I have had loads of fun games using random models like Lego, paper minis, and random toys. We lived abroad for 3 years and moved around a lot so didn't have many things with us. While it's awesome to have the most up to date minis to build and paint, I agree with you that you don't need it all to have fun on the tabletop.
@stillcantbesilencedevennow
@stillcantbesilencedevennow Жыл бұрын
"3000 pts" Hah. Cute. Nah bruv.
@marccel7799
@marccel7799 Жыл бұрын
I‘m new to the game Whats wrong with 3000 points?
@stillcantbesilencedevennow
@stillcantbesilencedevennow Жыл бұрын
@@marccel7799 nothing. If you're a girlie. Lol. Kidding. Me and my guys are getting up to 10k points as fast as we can. That's all. Some of us like the spectacle of a table being occupied for the better part of a week.
@paladinpariah325
@paladinpariah325 Жыл бұрын
Great overview. Afraid of them adopting any rules from AoS where army building is a byzantine mess. The use of the word "enhancment" has me a little doubtful of this system working as well as it seems. AoS has never clearly defined what an enhancement is and different units in that game have different types of enhancments, often never being clearly defined unless you go deep in the weeds between several books. I've played GW games for over 30 years, played AoS for months and was never able to figure out how to build an army properly. They need to have a master list of enhancments like older editions used to with Wargear or it's going to be a mess like it is in AoS. People need to be really careful with detachments. They sound like a scummy marketing tool to make you buy models you don't want or need like they were in 7th.
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
Oh this is similar to 7th Edition?
@paladinpariah325
@paladinpariah325 Жыл бұрын
@@tabletopskirmishgames Pre-determined detachments were first a thing in 7th, possibly 6th edition 40k. In 7th, they were an absolute dumpster fire and did things like give marines multiple free rhinos you paid zero points for. This sounds great, but it was really just GW suckering people into buying a ton of models they didn't really need. When 8th came and detachments went away, people were left with mountains of models they couldn't really use. It was pretty manipulative of GW and it seems that's what 10th will be like. They also got to the point where they were completely unbalanced. You might have access to something like a dozen detachments, but everyone played the most game breaking handful and ignored the rest. With GW's new scumbag marketing strategy of changing competitive rules every six months, I could see them removing detachments or significantly changing them every "season". So if you have a detachment that requires three Gladius tanks, and GW removes that detachment, you're now left with almost $200 worth of models you can't use. I want to hope that people will not fall for this and make purchases with long term use in mind, but it seems like what ever GW vomits out, the fanboys lick up. I have almost 200 Primaris marines and a ton of vehicles, but have only bought models since 8th that I really like and am still glad to own seven years later. I will only be using detachments I can make from what I currently own, unless one requires a model I will really enjoy owning regardless of its use in a detachment. Caveat emptor...
@KN-er8sy
@KN-er8sy Жыл бұрын
They copy Age of Sigmar now. They know what is the better (better means more fluent) game
@tabletopskirmishgames
@tabletopskirmishgames Жыл бұрын
It does look like it; great news!
@OldGoat-cw8he
@OldGoat-cw8he Жыл бұрын
I don't care if people can play their fists like Ultras. I just want to play my Black Templars like Black Templars. Taking away all of my fluff for simplicity is wrong. Random space marines vs random xenos, yeah
@danielbest2280
@danielbest2280 Жыл бұрын
Yeah I want to play my salamanders as salamanders who are actually better with flame and melta weapons than other chapters as they should be but now everyone is just as good with everything and there's no flavour to chapters anymore. I think this is the nail in the coffin for 10th edition for me
@irishCanadianGuy68
@irishCanadianGuy68 Жыл бұрын
no offence bud, but AOS sucks. worth thing that even happened to fantasy. but thank you very much for this informative video. much appreciated.
@garfieldwithissuez
@garfieldwithissuez Жыл бұрын
This is such bullshit they're just giving you permission to do things that people have always done anyway that have never violated any rule but they're laying restrictions and forcing people to buy box sets of Miniatures instead of creating their own unique list they're turning it into a shity board game. This is why people need to start going third-party, playing games like one page rules, and buying 3D printers because for the price of a single combat control I can buy an inexpensive resin 3D printer and print an unlimited number of models
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