How Bad Is Drinking for You, Really?

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Күн бұрын

Midway through one of the booziest holiday weekends of the year, we re-examine our love-hate relationship with alcohol.
Susan Dominus, a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine, gets to the bottom of the conflicting guidance on the benefits and risks of drinking.
Guest: Susan Dominus (www.nytimes.com/by/susan-dominus) , a staff writer for The New York Times Magazine.
Background reading:
• Research has piled up debunking the idea (www.nytimes.com/2024/06/15/ma...) that moderate drinking has any health benefits.
For more information on today’s episode, visit nytimes.com/thedaily (nytimes.com/thedaily?smid=pc-t...) . Transcripts of each episode will be made available by the next workday

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@mundanemoments322
@mundanemoments322 26 күн бұрын
If you're questioning your drinking habits, you probably have a problem with alcohol. You can rationalize it all you want, but that's really just denial in the end.
@stlsensimilla
@stlsensimilla 22 күн бұрын
I was diagnosed with cirrhosis at 36, so pretty fucking bad, I'd say.
@pfeilspitze
@pfeilspitze 26 күн бұрын
15:07 I'd say that even one per night makes it not so "casual" once you're doing it *every* night.
@zenfishbike
@zenfishbike 26 күн бұрын
Wow. I'm speechless on so many levels. I think the takeaways from these two on this topic are that they are laypersons just like us who 1. Didn't fully investigate the topic and 2. have much work to do on themselves to function in society without the need for alcohol as a crutch.
@TacticalStrudel
@TacticalStrudel 23 күн бұрын
Laypersons? But she said she looked at it “journalistically”.
@katekramer7679
@katekramer7679 20 күн бұрын
Oh boy, I was ready to light into you for this comment until I listened to the full episode. Holy cow! "I was surprised how hard it was to cut back from one drink a night" Here's a thought, maybe you have alcohol dependency!
@patrickleger2899
@patrickleger2899 26 күн бұрын
The amount of cope here is pretty staggering. Dominus really glosses over all the health issues that might not kill you but will definitely affect your quality of life as you age.
@VirginiaBronson
@VirginiaBronson 26 күн бұрын
As a recovering alcoholic, I’m a bit annoyed you didn’t delve into that side of it. What’s the risk of addiction quantified? And once addicted, what are the health risks associated with that level of alcohol consumption? Seems like you ignored the biggest elephant in the room associated with alcohol.
@matthewazrieli5475
@matthewazrieli5475 24 күн бұрын
(It’s because most of the people this reporter knows are functional alcoholics and they aren’t aware that there’s a problem)
@portalrene2485
@portalrene2485 24 күн бұрын
Like many other people, I embraced drinking wine a) because it feels great, and b) it was supposed to be healthy too provided in limited quantities. But it was a childhood dear friend (and ex-addicted) who alerted me that "there isn't a safe quantity of alcohol".
@allemagallied4775
@allemagallied4775 8 күн бұрын
@@portalrene2485 Wine being healthy in limited quantities is a myth that may or may not be purposively spread by the wine industry. Red wine does have some really minor health benefits but the health damage of alcohol farrrrr outweighs those benefits, also in limited quantities. It's like saying eating a quarterpounder is health because there's 1 piece of lettuce on it
@vcab6875
@vcab6875 26 күн бұрын
I got into the habit of having one glass of win with my meal five days a week. I did this for several years. Stopped it last month. I quickly lost ten pounds of fat and I sleep much better. No desire for wine or any alcohol.
@katekramer7679
@katekramer7679 20 күн бұрын
I don't drink alcohol, but I'd love to have a couple glasses of "win" a week 😜
@MuffyRamone1
@MuffyRamone1 25 күн бұрын
what an irresponsibly reported piece of garbage
@thilaisimpson
@thilaisimpson 24 күн бұрын
This. My first thought was shameful, but your comment better captures it.
@PCMenten
@PCMenten 26 күн бұрын
Two or three drinks daily is a lot. Daily? Yikes!
@_observer_-xk7hb
@_observer_-xk7hb 20 күн бұрын
It's way too much. Every single drink is bad.
@257.4MHz
@257.4MHz 26 күн бұрын
Anyone shopping for the answer "not that bad" to the question "how bad is drinking" probably has a drinking problem. Non-alcoholics don't look for reassurance that they aren't drinking too much. Relate to it this way: when was the last time you googled "how much egg nog is too much?" That's how non alcoholics relate to alcohol. It's something they just naturally consume very little of, so it would never occur to them to be concerned about drinking too much of it
@uyscuti5376
@uyscuti5376 26 күн бұрын
I don't drink for myself, i drink for all y'all
@LtGregoryStevens
@LtGregoryStevens 26 күн бұрын
Same but with crack
@katekramer7679
@katekramer7679 20 күн бұрын
I'm so glad alcohol consumption is on the decline! I used to feel so awkward asking if there were non-alcoholic drink options - or feeling like I had to bring my own - at social gatherings. College drinking "culture" was so isolating.
@rumidude
@rumidude 12 сағат бұрын
Relative risk versus absolute risk is often not explained and misunderstood by many, including health officials.
@upstateNYfinest
@upstateNYfinest 26 күн бұрын
Having a drink per day is still a lot lol
@dlb8685
@dlb8685 26 күн бұрын
Another thing is that many people who think they have a drink per day, really have one drink on a normal day. On weekends of parties it can easily be 3-5 drinks but it’s easy not to include that in the calculation. Plus, does that one drink per day really never turn into 2-3, even on a normal evening? What about after a bad day at work or a stressful family event?
@teenahweenah2608
@teenahweenah2608 24 күн бұрын
I prefer cannabis to chase the blues away.
@rcpmac
@rcpmac 24 күн бұрын
What do you know about other people? Nothing
@teenahweenah2608
@teenahweenah2608 24 күн бұрын
@@dlb8685 I don't drink. Cannabis is my poison of choice.
@frankgradus9474
@frankgradus9474 23 күн бұрын
A bottle of wine, 075l, once a month is enough for me.
@portalrene2485
@portalrene2485 24 күн бұрын
9:08 no amount of drinking is drinking for you. In fact, a dear friend told me that a long time ago but I ignored him until I found this video.
@gondwana6303
@gondwana6303 24 күн бұрын
Really the perspective of two jejune journalists who don't understand the health consequences later in life. Speaking of "good for the heart", one very common ailment is afib, linked to various comorbidities but a factor is alcohol. It's how you decide to spend the latter quarter of your life -- relatively healthy, mobile and independent or sick to the point of being bed ridden and on all sorts of drugs.
@katekramer7679
@katekramer7679 20 күн бұрын
"Jejune" Wow, what a great word!
@scottash351
@scottash351 26 күн бұрын
Fucking wine moms: it's like only shaving two month of my life--not so bad.
@matthewazrieli5475
@matthewazrieli5475 24 күн бұрын
These women aren’t moms
@GenZHealth101
@GenZHealth101 21 күн бұрын
Drinking is bad. No discussion on this point.
@user-ob5ii2hj8i
@user-ob5ii2hj8i 10 күн бұрын
where i am from (Belgium) people say that if you dont drink at a party you are not funny/boring but i think that is the total opposite. if you need a drink or you need everybody to be drunk to laugh at your jokes maybe YOU are not funny.
@bernardzsikla5640
@bernardzsikla5640 26 күн бұрын
Ok, so there are many many strategies to manage stress and anxiety in life. I would absolutely say that I have been an anxious person for most of my life and I have been told from mental health care professionals to taking medication would be a good temporary scaffolding while learning to mange my anxiety. There was never a moment in my life where I thought alcohol or cigarettes would be any kind of temporary strategy for anxiety, for either a long term reduction or for a short term intense event. Im nearly 60, and chance that alcohol will add any benefit to your life, in either a short term or long term time frame, is remote at best. The chance of really really complicating your life dramatically is far more likely.
@thedahkterizzin8831
@thedahkterizzin8831 26 күн бұрын
Benefits of a walk are understated. Hard to enjoy wine while strolling through nature😂😅
@sabirsal
@sabirsal 26 күн бұрын
Meh. Most of the greatest men who’ve ever lived smoked, drank, or did both. Everybody dies once and only once. Find what works best for you to live your best life whatever that is and get on with it so long as you don’t hurt anybody.
@FlaviusMaximus1967
@FlaviusMaximus1967 25 күн бұрын
Changes your quality of life. Especially towards the end. I've seen some sad early deaths.....
@lmc333
@lmc333 26 күн бұрын
The cons outweigh the pro for sure...
@felixthecat2786
@felixthecat2786 22 күн бұрын
I enjoy having wine every once in awhile, but I feel like there's so much fear mongering from the medical industry. I get that doctors want to advise their patients to be as healthy as possible, but I don't see the issue with having some drinks once a week. I usually never double drink. If I have alcohol one night, I'll avoid alcohol for at least 3 days. Drinking over and over day after day can do a number on your body.
@katedunnavant6163
@katedunnavant6163 26 күн бұрын
Excellent and very helpful report. It would be interesting to compare alcohol risk to other risks such as lack of exercise or eating unhealthy food.
@the_derpler
@the_derpler 26 күн бұрын
It's so wonderful that we improved science so much that allows us to have the kind of near blind trust in it we have now. Imagine if we got studies about other substances or drugs wrong by taking the same approach we took years ago referenced in this podcast. Imagine how many would be hurt or injured. Bravo to us for improving!
@berniemadoff9688
@berniemadoff9688 21 күн бұрын
I would like to see the stats on a purely physical level. Adding in the risk of auto accidents is useful, but isn't accurate based on the nature of the habit. If you drink one time a day at home versus a bar. But the alcohol level is the same, how does that play out? Remove that factor. What's the result?
@rapauli
@rapauli 26 күн бұрын
It's called "2 cents plain"
@KevinInPhoenix
@KevinInPhoenix 26 күн бұрын
"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy." ― Dorothy Parker
@rcpmac
@rcpmac 24 күн бұрын
Always loved that line
@steveeuphrates-river7342
@steveeuphrates-river7342 26 күн бұрын
"Alcohol is good for you". Didn't they also say smoking raised your white blood cell count and it suppresses your appetite- so it was good for you too?
@MegaMijit
@MegaMijit 22 күн бұрын
DON'T LET THESE BIMBOS WASTE YOUR TIME! 00:02 Reexamining the LoveHate relationship with alcohol 02:31 Research on red wine and heart health in the 90s. 04:38 Initial research touted alcohol's health benefits 06:58 Research reveals moderate alcohol consumption has no protective effects on health and may increase risk of mortality. 09:24 Alcohol consumption warnings impacting public consciousness 11:54 Understanding risk in relation to alcohol consumption. 14:14 Moderate alcohol consumption impacts life expectancy 16:26 Alcohol poses risks not only to self but also to others 18:24 Alcohol playing a role in international diplomacy 20:21 Social conditioning around drinking 22:27 Making decisions about alcohol consumption is a personal and individual choice. 25:05 Credits for the production of the episode Crafted by Merlin AI.
@Edo9River
@Edo9River 25 күн бұрын
In the Bahai Faith, before signing the membership card, I weighed the plus and minus of all the issues. Alcohol was never very important, one way. Or another. In addition is the daytime fasting for 19 days every March. I signed up. Actually the greatest challenge was/ is the fasting time. I believe sincerely that fasting is scientifically beneficial, but psychologically I experienced a lot of stress every March about 1- 3 hours before sunset. So I can imagine the stress of trying to stop drinking alcohol for some people, they. Are like me can’t get completely in control of their bodies. And how we’ve become poisoned by our bodies fat cells. These cells dissolve their poisons into our bodies travels to our brains and messes without our brain mind.
@kahlilbt
@kahlilbt 26 күн бұрын
I make wine and I only have about three or four glasses a week! And most of those are in the weekends lol
@Edo9River
@Edo9River 25 күн бұрын
Hey, there is an established culture of drinking with a customer or department after work in Japan.
@Zellis666
@Zellis666 26 күн бұрын
What is life expectancy in France and Italy? How about Japan? Don't they drink in Blue Zones?
@bluedreams517
@bluedreams517 26 күн бұрын
From what I remember, most blue zones entail small to moderate amounts of drinking. BUT that is coorelative, not necessarily causal. How they drink there (community/family dinners paired with extremely healthy food), what they're drinking, and how other factors in their lives mitigate one not-as-healthy behavior (alcohol) likely is the reasons these areas have really good health. Also france doesn't have a blue zone, italy's bluezone is isolated to a small community in it. Same with Japan. There's more than one factor that goes into maintaining health. How much you drink is one, but there are others that also play an important part.
@cbbcbb6803
@cbbcbb6803 26 күн бұрын
What about only one daily table spoon? Good, bad, neutral?
@Michael_Jeromy_Kaiser
@Michael_Jeromy_Kaiser 26 күн бұрын
Try THC absolutely no health risk by comparison to alcohol
@GerardPerry
@GerardPerry 26 күн бұрын
"...no health risk." False.
@cat-.-
@cat-.- 25 күн бұрын
@@GerardPerry true, but could be worth to some. I was reading about it on NIH and quickly got overwhelmed. I think if I apply this level of scrutiny to every aspect of my life I would get nothing done
@MonkeyBall2453
@MonkeyBall2453 23 күн бұрын
@1:43 She was somebody who didn't drink a ton Drank every night
@MegaMijit
@MegaMijit 22 күн бұрын
women are consistently inconsistent.
@mikewilliams6025
@mikewilliams6025 26 күн бұрын
I'm guessing with the fallout last year, Anheiser-Busch couldn't make their yearly payment to the Gray Lady to keep their skeletons in the closet.
@Markph7
@Markph7 19 күн бұрын
The reporting on risk is really poor. Average loss of life of 2 years from 3 drinks a day does not take into account your cancer risk, your heart attack risk, driving under the influence, How drinking impacts the quality of your life with your children and your family, how it might impact your career and your earning potential. Plus, if you’re a 4’11” 50 year old woman, this would be a CATASTROPHIC amount of alcohol because your liver can’t handle it like a 6’ 3” 200 pound, 30 year old man. At the end of the day, our brain is a lawyer not a scientist. It is set up to defend our habits and our choices and without constant feedback from a community who loves us we will drive our lives into a ditch with every drug.
@AnnStephens196
@AnnStephens196 26 күн бұрын
I’m drunk right now.
@rcpmac
@rcpmac 24 күн бұрын
One of only 2 funny comments here
@cxa24
@cxa24 20 күн бұрын
Anything to obstruct this
@millennialsecularandauthri3338
@millennialsecularandauthri3338 26 күн бұрын
I will never stop drinking. I do it in solidarity with my brothers who are wrongly imprisoned for drinking and driving.
@rcpmac
@rcpmac 24 күн бұрын
Nonsense. I have one beer a day and I’m questioning that so according to you I have a problem?
@user-ob5ii2hj8i
@user-ob5ii2hj8i 10 күн бұрын
unpopular opinon :i dont think that drinking help you connect with people, quite the contrary.
@BleakVision
@BleakVision 25 күн бұрын
Wineauntery can go on for decades, no problem.
@dandawson8128
@dandawson8128 22 күн бұрын
“Couldn’t find a nonalcoholic drink at the part”, lol (funny, not funny), try water. Check into the effects of alcohol on your heart rate. Having drink closer to bedtime is even worse to ruin a restful night sleep. Aside from the short term enjoyment, there are no gains. It’s all a preference, it’s a free world. Abstain.
@mopthermopther
@mopthermopther 26 күн бұрын
If you don’t have any gin for your gin&tonic, you can use tequila. 🍸 it takes great with tonic
@MarcellusOrie
@MarcellusOrie 26 күн бұрын
What would life be like without it?
@FlaviusMaximus1967
@FlaviusMaximus1967 25 күн бұрын
Not much different. I have to admit that I was more social before...
@bluedreams517
@bluedreams517 25 күн бұрын
I've never had it. I come from a community where it's normal not to drink. It's weird to think what would my life be with it. I have close friends that I see and we talk and doing life things together. I talk to my neighbors, I have get togethers and make homemade iced teas/drinks from my garden in the summers and a faux drink in the winter for holidays. I hang with family in between. In short, I don't feel like I'm missing anything substantial.
@butterfish-g9f
@butterfish-g9f 22 күн бұрын
You can look at cultures that essentially ban alcohol. It doesn't change too much. Just the social drink of choice is different. It's usually some kind of tea or coffee. In old Meso America spicy, bitter hot chocolate was the main social drink.
@kjs3431
@kjs3431 26 күн бұрын
In my 70’s. Good health(ish), not overweight. I drink 2-4 5% drinks a day randomly. I laugh when I hear this report talking about longevity. To have longevity you have to have money. I can afford to live to my late 70s or early 80s, if I die sooner, I leave more to my children. I enjoy the odd drink and I am headed to death’s door anyways, so there.
@cat-.-
@cat-.- 25 күн бұрын
If I die early I leave more money to my children - what an upbeat view on life, unsarcastically! I wish I would have the same good mindset as you do when I'm old
@felixthecat2786
@felixthecat2786 22 күн бұрын
My grandmother is 98 years old. She was a child of the depression and was never rich per se. My grandmother did well as he owned his own printing business, but he wasn't rich by any means. Her mother lived to be 94. Her sisters were in their early 90s when they passed away. The same thing with the women on my dad's side. They all lived into their 80s and 90s. The men however seem to pass on in their 70s. It's all about your genetics IMO.
@WriteInAaronBushnell
@WriteInAaronBushnell 26 күн бұрын
This is the first NYT podcast in a week not about Joe Biden's mental decline since the debate
@rcpmac
@rcpmac 24 күн бұрын
Nonsense
@barryzajac5502
@barryzajac5502 26 күн бұрын
I am disappointed about the conflagration of the benefits of red wine and the risk of alcohol generically. It makes sense that consuming solvents is probably harmful, but is the harm greater than the benefits of red wine/resveratrol. I think that there is danger in interpreting studies in which all types of alcoholic beverages are treated equally. Have the studies that showed the benefits of red wine been disproved? I did not hear that.
@Catdad666
@Catdad666 26 күн бұрын
We are missing something. Ok, drinking isn’t as beneficial as thought. Now we are saying that it negatively affects your health. Which countries have the longest life expectancy. I’ll bet that it is France, Japan, maybe Italy. Those countries have vibrant social cultures around drinking. So what’s the deal ?
@GerardPerry
@GerardPerry 26 күн бұрын
Pretty sure the wine bibbing salarymen in Tokyo aren't the ones living to be a 102.
@Boymanjusri
@Boymanjusri 26 күн бұрын
Women has the longest life span, not alcohol drinking salary man. In fact, women life span in Japan is much longer than men’s. Almost 15 years! If men in Japan don’t drink, they would have lived much longer.
@bluedreams517
@bluedreams517 26 күн бұрын
Like what others say. Even in the US, there are communities that tend to live longer because of lifestyle and social difference from the overarching culture. For example they have a blue zone in the US made of 7th day adventists. There's also been studies that would probably tie to alcohol, such as comparing practicing latter-day saints (mormons, who do not drink if fully practicing) and non-members within the same state and demographics. Those also show a large lifespan gap. This isn't just from drinking, there's other factors that decrease early death/quality of life and thus increase overall lifespan. But still. These don't exactly negate that alcohol isn't a potential negative factor to health, let alone being healthy for a person.
@cat-.-
@cat-.- 25 күн бұрын
France also have a shorter workday. That makes you happier and live longer.
@rcpmac
@rcpmac 24 күн бұрын
Those populations aren’t healthy from the drinking, it the benefit from smoking
@rettif9
@rettif9 26 күн бұрын
Probably at least as bad as eating eggs. If you remember that health advisory.
@heatherhutchinson3625
@heatherhutchinson3625 26 күн бұрын
Wow this is more painful than rationalizing about voting for Biden 😂
@GerardPerry
@GerardPerry 26 күн бұрын
Ah, yes. Let's see what the "settled science" crowd has to say on a pressing public health issue. It worked so well for us during COVID.
@doppleganger07
@doppleganger07 26 күн бұрын
This but unironically
@SoFloCo-ne4rk
@SoFloCo-ne4rk 26 күн бұрын
With alcohol, as with COVID, as new information comes in we continue to learn more about it. The fact that we don't know everything yet is exactly the reason we should keep learning and updating our understanding as we go.
@HidingFromFate
@HidingFromFate 26 күн бұрын
​@@SoFloCo-ne4rkI think this is the correct perspective.
@BleakVision
@BleakVision 25 күн бұрын
If science can't tell us after millennia of experience and decades of research, if it's healthy or bad for you, what good is it.
@SoFloCo-ne4rk
@SoFloCo-ne4rk 25 күн бұрын
@@BleakVision Scientific knowledge and understanding continue to grow and evolve. For thousands of years people thought the earth was flat. For centuries people thought smoking was harmless. It took more than fifty years of intense research to develop the first safe and effective antibiotics. Not all problems can be solved overnight. Scientific research is an ongoing process and the answers are not always immediately clear. The only mistake is saying "if science hasn't found the answer yet, what good is it".
@zfvr
@zfvr 26 күн бұрын
This is modern science. Complete BS.
@neiljeffers4746
@neiljeffers4746 25 күн бұрын
No $h!+ Sherlock
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