No, the future is the reform of the novus ordo to become more like the TLM and then that becoming the sole form of the mass of the Roman Rite.

@@thunderthumbz3293 I can't accept that, The Novus ordo, while valid and licit, represents a sharp rupture from what came before. Nearly every prayer and every line of the mass was changed in the span of about 5 years, ancient collects that had been in the missal since the time of St. Gregory the great were altered or thrown out entirely. Less than 15% of the prayers made it into the new mass unadulterated. The rest were edited to fit the sensibilities of the reformers. It's an almost entirely fabricated rite and is far far from what was envisioned by the council fathers in SC which is a really beautiful document.

@@Drummarforhire The entire Roman Canon from the TLM is found in the NO. There is maybe a fair amount of change but no rupture. The liturgy has always been changing through out history but the substance has always remained. According Suarez, LiGouri and others the prayers and accidents are not what make the substance of the mass. Those are accidents and can be changed as the Church desires. Christ didn't hand the apostles strict rubrics, take that into consideration.

@@thunderthumbz3293 yes, the Roman Canon is found in the new rite (mostly) unchanged. But very little else, just compare the collects from the NO to the ones for the same feasts in the 62. You will quickly see that many were rewritten entirely, and many more were edited in order to omit references to sin, hell, and punishment. Some even cast doubt on the existence of canonized saints. Other saints were tossed out of the calendar altogether. they took a rite that had developed organically for 1500 years, and rewrote it in less than a decade, changing quite literally everything to fit their own sensibilities. From the Time of St. Gregory the great, till the reforms of 1962, you can trace the development of the liturgy in a consistent manner. That is not true of the NO, with much of its text being fabricated whole cloth, (ie. EP II) others being pulled from non-Christian sources and shoehorned into the liturgy (the offertory prayers) Eastern Traditions that have never existed in the west bring drug into out liturgy (the epiclesis), the destruction of the lectionary, (yeah you hear more scripture, but many key passages are either omitted entirely or relegated to obscure weekday masses, such as pauls admonition to the corinthians to not partake of the body and blood of our lord unworthily which is entirely absent from the lectionary) If this amount of change and discarding of anything that came before isn't a rupture, I don't know what is. What happened after the second Vatican council robbed the western church of her patrimony and along with it her identity. In its place were left "pastors" doing whatever they wanted because there was no precedent, no tradition, no framework for anyone to work with so they just made it up as they went along. The Western Church was cut off from its roots and not the tree has begun to wither. There are shoots of green where younger generations have rediscovered the Tradition and therefore the roots, but that is a small minority. What I'm saying is true, you just have to look. Only once we acknowledge the issue can we begin to fix it.

I don’t think we are so far away from a renewal of reverence and true adoration in our church. I believe there is a new generation of devout young priests who love God with their whole hearts. I have met two already, and I live in a small sparsely populated region… Our Lord is nurturing His church. ❤️🙏❤️

No it’s not, do your research into the wording, it’s confused and corrupted. Break it down for yourself and you will see it, God will reveal it to you if you quiet the modernisms that have taken hold of you.

@@simonewilliams7224 I think you were confusing the Roman Canon with the liturgy of the mass? They are two different things. The Roman Canon is the Eucharistic prayer that takes place within the mass. You are correct in saying that there were alterations in the liturgy itself but the Roman canon, it is still pretty much, Word for Word, the same one you would find in the traditional Latin mass. With a few minor alterations.

In the last ten years, I’ve only heard the Roman cannon said once in the New rite. I wish it was mandated for use on all solemnities.

Welcome aboard!

THIS IS FALSE. Compare the Roman canon in the TLM to the Eucharist Prayer I in the NO it is verbatim the same just in a different language. Some trads keep spreading errors.

@@thunderthumbz3293 No, the words are mostly the same, although they changed the consecration of the wine by moving the "Mysterium Fidei" to after the concentration as the "memorial acclimation", but the rubrics such as the signs of the cross, the postures of the priest, and the tone in which it is to be spoken were all drastically changed. Please don't immediately assume ill will for someone in the Traditional movement. We have our issues that need to be dealt with that's for sure, but our concerns are legitimate and shouldn't be summarily dismissed as they too often are.

@@Drummarforhire Maybe you are referring to the instructions of the missal. The original poster is incorrect and it is important to call out traditionalist error. If your read the Roman canon and Eucharistic Prayer I in the NO they are verbatim. Furthermore the Church has long held the disciplinary aspects of the liturgy which is basically everything that you brought up can and has been changed throughout history. There is a distinction that many traditionalists fail to grasp and that the substance of the sacrament and discipline are different. Only the substance of the sacrament is divinely instituted and can not be altered.

You allowed it - samo, samo! I was a convert, Pentecost Sunday, 1958, whenever I said “this isn’t right” I was met with: Are YOU more Catholic than the Pope? At Confirmation I became a Soldier of Christ! I had five children in seven years. When they were older & I had some time apart from them, I became a voice for the unborn & a voice against the destruction of the Church! By this time, most Catholics had gone belly up & loved being what I had left: being a prot!!! Follow your conscience from the priest in the Confessional was all they needed to hear - that’s exactly how prots live! They have no One, True Church, but, a myriad of beliefs & will find a church that accommodates their desires - now, catholics do the same. And, God punishes us by letting us swim in this cesspool of sin!!! Our Lady of LaSallette prophesied that ROME WOULD LOSE THE FAITH!!! ( I believe her )

@@coraleebaker642 I agree, Rome lost the faith after Vatican II k

Yes, the Holy Spirit was never mentioned there. In fact what is now referred to as the epiclesis was not considered the epiclesis in the old Mass. Previously the priest extended his hands over the gifts at the hanc igitur. Epiclesis is more of an Eastern Church element, in the Latin Church, the consecration happens through the Words of Institution.

We infantilise the faith so much it becomes unrecognisable

It's true. Most of the faithful are clueless. They aren't invested enough in the Faith to research it.

I believe somewhere around 14% of the prayers were left intact....all changed or removed. Not including the other sacraments.

Very rarely said in practice

Some Orthodox nuns were selling them for their orphanage and I bought it.

Are the nuns in Ireland

Sure contact me ranugent@icloud.com I can put you in touch with some good Priests.

Explain how it is idolatrous. Remember that the Protestants were infamous for calling the Old Mass “idolatrous “ so be careful with the language you use

@@briandelaney9710 The sede's aren't Catholic but still pretend to be and end up giving the traditional movement a bad name.