Personally I’d avoid nerfing too much. I’d rather buff low tiers.

Pikachu should be nerf instead.

There are characters that need nerfs before Joker. I wish MkLeo picked up Pikachu so people bitched about nerfs with an actual reason.

As a wise man known as introspective once said: To nerf him just delete him from the game

Nerfing his hurt box is actually perfect. That would be just enough in my opinion.

The meta is stagnant due to online, Mkleo is the only top player who played Joker, and Joker has already been nerfed while other characters have been getting buffed. What is the point of this video?

Everybody treating arsene like a god when he's literally a level 1 persona in his own game, wait till satanael joins the game smh.

Why nerf tho when you can buff characters that have a hard time beating him

-more end lag on all aerials (3-4 frames or enogh for up air draig down grab not work) -up air no longer kills -dash attack doesnt hit oponent if they failed a tech -up b cant snap the ledge if used higher or at the same height as the ledge and has more lag between snaping the ledge and pulling joker up -a bit slower initial dash -higher hurtbox when running then they say nerfing is hard

I think making him lighter is fair, he should be as light as ZSS or Bayonetta because of his small hurtbox, that would also make it harder to get arden more than once a game and would only reward a good player that is able to live for that long

I see why joker may need a nerf, but why focus on him with peach and pika still being even more broken

Make Arsene meter only fill by landing attacks or using Rebel's Guard. No longer by getting hit normally. And holding Rebel's Guard could actually very slowly drain his Arsene meter away if he holds it for too long while not taking damage, meaning you would have to properly time Rebel's Guard into hits rather than mindlessly spam it.

Nerf Arsene dash attack strength and counter size/strength, and make Eigha SLIGHTLY worse in some minor way, either in overall damage, priority, or just how fast it starts up. That would be totally fine to me and he would still be solidly top 3 or top 5.

"Joker is a character with no weaknesses" Bad out of shield and bad arsene recovery: are we a joke to you

Tbh, I only have beef with the Makarakan hitbox and the Eigon hitbox

I would never nerf joker i feel he is very balanced oh wait you can see my profile pic

I wouldn’t nerf him, never

I'm okay leaving Joker alone, but I wouldn't complain for nerfing Tetrakarm's hitbox. But I feel he is a healthier character than even Smash 4 ZSS or Sheik. I think he is bad enough.

They should only nerf his counter (with arsene) since it’s kinda broken. It has such little endlag which is kind op for a counter in my opinion

Joker better not be nerfed i main him so i would Not like that.

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How to nerf joker: Delete Arsene

I don’t think he is op. Although he’s 1 of the best characters in the game I still think he is very balanced. Joker is basically a jack of all trades character. Does joker have a really good recovery? No. He has no horizontal recovery and no mixups off-stage. With arsene 2 framing becomes easier but edge guarding is harder. Does he have the best comeback macanic? No. Lucarios aura is way more op than arsene. And that lasts infinitely until he dies. Arsene is very inconsistent and can screw over joker in many situations. Joker also has to take around 80% before he can use arsene. And even if he uses down b, it will never kill and he takes half damage, as well as it’s a very punishable move. Landing options, anybody with a teleport can land better than joker or characters with a down air that brings u down such as sonic or sheik. Down b is a pathetic landing option. Literally up air joker from the side. Even little Mac can up air joker on the side. I think you get the point, but joker is fine the way he is. He does everything really well but doesn’t excel at anything. I personally think he is fine the way he is. It’s not like he is meta knight in brawl or bayonetta in sm4sh. There is still no agreed on best character in the game

I don't think he needs a nerf. Instead, I would say he needs a redesign so Arsene isn't such a dam crutch. Buff regular Joker a bit while nerfing Arsene

I'm still just so happy that P5 music is in the game

That's easy, make arsene shorter/harder to get Also make his down Bs worse

I would personally Nerf the amount of time he can hold rebelGuard

I almost beat MKleo but he rage quited

I think counters just need to be nerfed across the board. Make every counter have a 1x multiplier, and you solve a lot of issues, not just with Joker.

How to nerf joker: 1. Give him end lag 🙂 2. Give him a hurtbox 🙂

Looking at this now, I think we were all wrong for hating Joker. He's actually a very balanced character despite having Arsene.

But why, why would you do that?

Remove the lefobble and MAYBE shorten joker's tether recovery Otherwise buff low tiers

the way to nerf joker is t buff lower tiers that have a meh matchup against him making more counterplay and buffing lower-tiered characters

kirby says: joker is the closest to a jojo charater

I would say nerf Arsene and buff base Joker. I would also get rid of the meter he gets at the beginning of each new stock.

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I would delete the whole character! Then add him back in once person 5 comes to switch. Look no character should come to smash without gracing us with a mainline title man!

Joker only needs one nerf: -Make Arsene part of his hitbox when activated. He would be placed in the same situation as Mewtwo. Great mobility and kill power but a much larger hurtbox that can lead to unfortunate combos on them and even worse endurance.

Rebels Guard shouldn't allow joker to be able to get persona faster. Example: 1 Incineroar toward smash hitting joker while using rebels guard gives him Arsen instantly. Joker should only be able to get Arsen from getting hit enough times. But, that's just my opinion

I'd do exactly what Nairo would do. I'd nerf Joker by LEARNING THE MATCH UP. NO JOHNS

Let's be honest Nintendo is not going to buff every character to be top teir, so might as well nurf the top tiers

Hard nerf his Arsin meter build up while he has a stock lead, like a debuff version of Lucario. Make come backs against him way easier so he doesn't chug out 3 arsins while you're on your last stock.

I would change the down b because he can arsenal faster

No weaknesses: get off of me options, recovery, kill power, range, low damaging combos on correct di, no out of shield options, and having to land with all of his gud moves

Nah Don't nerf the best character in the game. Just buff ppl like Pichu, Luigi, Kirby, Diddy Kong, Lucario, K Rool, Dedede, and more

How to ruin Joker: Remove Arsene, give him.a horrible f-smash(like Snake or Shiek), Horrible dash attack, and a back air. Better option: Get gud

I would add a few extra frames of end lag to both versions of his Side B to discourages idiots online for spamming it SERIOUSLY, USE ANYTHING OTHER THAN THAT STUPID CURSE!

The characters in top tier aren't too broken so I don't think nerfing them is necessary. I would rather have buffs to lower tier characters than nerfs to higher tier characters.

I don’t think joker should get nerfed I feel they just need to buff lower tier characters since a thing that would make ultimate even better would be having more mid tier characters rather than trash characters or low tiers

Honestly, I feel Nintendo's philosophy of buff not nerf has been healthier for the game. Ultimate is surprising well balanced for a roster of its size, especially compared to melee-smash 4 where there were meta dominating characters and completely unusable characters. While Joker, Palutena, Pikachu and other top tiers are good, they aren't bayonetta or meta knight broken. Bringing other characters up through buffs allow more characters get spotlight and develop new plays making it more interesting to watch. Removing strengths remove things that can make a character fun to watch.

Give him a limited amount of ammo for neutral special just like he only has so much at the start of every fight in Royal

Not trying to be offensive but, I'd say make his hurtbox bigger when tumbling, give Down Special more endlag + make the successful Arsene version have a significantly smaller hitbox, Neutral Special bullets being reflectable projectiles rather than unreflectable massive disjoints (possible, not necessarily a redesign), decently increasing the threshold to acivate Arsene (seriously, that one patch didn't count) and Back Air reducing range and knockback I guess. Those are my ways of making him more balanced without taking away most of what's good he has.

Make his Fair 1 do more knockback to nix its kill confirms into a drag down Smash attack if you really want to ruin him

He’s really good but he’s balanced. I think the only thing in this game that needs a nerf is Pikachu’s pancake bs

he was already nerfed. how about nerf characters who are way overturned who haven’t been touched since launch.

He's ok the way he is now, but the hitbox and maybe a Nerf to his recovery

Do Palutena next

Joker should only get arsene from down b and not from being hit and he gets more arsane from using down b.

Just make arsene slightly less effective edit: when it comes to damage and hitboxes buffs

Don't nerf Joker pls

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Don't, he's already a bad character

I don’t think they’ll really need Joker due to that the Announcer voices Joker

Ez change his persona into pixie

How to nerf joker : delete all his move Need nerf joker? No

Make him as light as Sheik. That’s it

Imma get the simp tag prolly but that girl is beautiful

There is already a way: Online

What happens to Joker at 9:20? It looks like he teleports offstage

What about nerfing the tether a bit? It would restrict joker's recovery and this would limit the gimping potential because going off stage and safely recovering would become a weakness that could be exploited(like Cloud's non-limit climhazard, granted this is an extreme example). And yes, please make counter smaller. Its broken enough being able reflect any attack other than grab.

DELETE GUN also do pikachu nexst

Well, Joker is one of those characters that is top tier but it's hard to play, execution wise he's hard. I could say that reworking how Arsene works that when he deals damage he gains meter, but that may influence his top tier status Idk, he's meh online, his advantage state is pure reaction, so online he is extremely boring and predictable

How can I teach lower elo players to get better on proguides?

Joker is fine compared to other moves in ultimate. Like zeldas up b, or rob in general.

I feel like joker doesn't need buffs or nerfs anymore except for his counter range, his pretty easy to beat since most joker players are predictable.

Yeah, I think buffing the lower characters is the right play here

I'm not really for nurfing characters, especially in the first year or so of the meta. By continuing to nerf characters you'll only weaken the player base, not labbing the matchups to find a way to beat each top tier. No one has a chance to grow as a player, I think Nintendo has done a decent job of just adding slight buffs and only nurfing what was not intended to be in the game for the most part... I do think it's funny that they basically neutered Cloud's Limit (and Nair) for a healthy balance... but then release a character with an even better Limit mechanic 🤣 I'm just glad I can use Cloud as a fan of his series without being shunned for his brokenness lol.

Corona virus nerfed him plenty smh

Nerf his side special to were it isn't as spammable.

No arsene lol

How would I nerf Joker? I wouldn't. There isn't much you can nerf about him that doesn't ruin an aspect about him and make him feel disjointed and limit his combo tree or his kill confirms.

I'm sorry but that counter hitbox is too big, it's like a wall

keep him as is and buff him, aswell as other characters

Please just give Arsene back air end lag

How to nerf Joker: 1: Buff Doc, Ganon, and Mac. Done.

I feel like nerfing Arsene is the best. Normal joker is probably high tier and can be beaten, but Arsene is way too powerful.

Just buff some other characters like bayonnetta so we can have joker vs bayonetta but dont make her to broken.

Dont nerf Joker. Nerf Leo. But you should make a video for pikachu instead. If anyone needs a nerf its pika

Honestly I think he's fine its what makes him unique as a character even if he has a low profile. I just think he shouldn't be awarded such massive meter gain after being clapped on the whole game and then congratulations you just unlocked Arsene. There's already rage in the game so why does he need 2 comeback mechanics? And 2-3 hits with Ganondorf and he has access to Arsene and that's without the charge just taking damage normally.

Renovera Arsene, problem solved

why nerf joker and not palutena zss pikachu peach or wario huh tell me

I am a Joker main, so only buffs.

I still think that Joker is such a pain in the ass to deal with. He has to many strong utilities and basically no weaknesses at all. I don't understand how he still hasn't receive any nerfs in his actual moves (yes I know Arsene uptime is just a bit shorter, but that's about it)

Remove morgana in his taunts

Honestly, his combos are super easy and nearly impossible to punish

End lag

Personally i think the game is near balanced, all i'd rather see is some buffs to low tiers and perhaps a couple mid tiers

Maybe make arsene weaker? You can't really nerf much about ghim,he requires quit the skills to play.