Painfully, being a heartbreaker is a large part of these shows.

@@hoseyboi7131 i mean its just an animation

That is honestly like true, just the fact that they play with your emotions is great, another thing to note is just that they treat their watchers and characters as people who are not dumb as fuck

I mean, both LoL and Cyberpunk are bad games, so failing at making a good show was a surprise, they had some time to learn from their mistakes.

I disagree with this video and agree with you

they both take pretty wild liberties with the source material and estabilished lore, arcane more so

@@francisxavier8374 caring about the source material doesn't necessarily mean they have to stick to it completely, it just means they'll try to make something actually good out of it

@@francisxavier8374 liberties such as? Arcane I get, arcane to league of legends is sort of like MCU to marvel comics, but what liberties edgerunners took? It’s literally based in the same world

I’d have to agree with you. Most of the time, I don’t really like when certain concepts deviate from the source material… I mean just look at those crappy Hollywood adaptations like King of Fighters, Dragonball Evolution, but there’s some movies I like that has some creative liberties applied. I guess what I’m trying to get at is I highly dislike media where writers would apply so much of their “creative” liberties (adding stuff that makes no sense or destroys the character’s traits) it deviates so much from the source…

@@danzansandeev6033 Both the game and edgerunners are to actual cyberpunk lore, like MCU is to marvel comics. The entire way the sandevistan works is not lore accurate at all. In the lore, it just gives you faster reflexes, while the body moves as fast as it could move before the implant was installed. And the use of this thing also has pretty shitty consequences, which is why this technology is used only when strictly necessary. And it makes sense, considering that the thing is installed only above the spine, so it works only on the nervous system. And the whole cyberpsychosis plot is not lore accurate as well. Having lots of implants doesn't transform you into a cyberpsycho. Otherwise people like Adam Smasher wouldn't exist. What can transform you into a cyberpshycho is the emotional instability or untested/badly installed implants. In the game, in general, the whole thing with Johnny attacking the Arasaka tower, is wrong in many details. That attack in the lore, was done on the Militech's order. The attack was lead by Morgan Blackhand, who basically was an arch nemesis for Adam Smasher. Johnny was only a sidekick here. And he died right on the building, being killed by Adam. Adam tried to challenge Morgan to a fight, but the building exploded, and it wasn't a nuke, just a very strong bomb, and Morgan and the others got away. So basically, what we have in the lore and what we got in both the game and the anime, is quite different. The basic elements for the worldbuilding might be the same, but the history of these worlds and the way things work, are pretty different.

i agree

​@@TheDarkstar3601 CP Edgerunners is a side-story of CP 2077 meanwhile Arcane is more of their own story far from the lore.

I'd also add that just being animated doesn't mean it would work better either. Some adaptations which are also animated still don't work (eg Warcraft). The reason I have for this is that both productions (Studio Trigger and Fortiche) aren't Hollywoodian. Hollywood productions all fell off HARD in the last decade, formulaic and average, and there is no incentive because people will watch them anyway. Internationally, however, it is all about making something of quality to fight quantity and consumer favoritism. Hell, even the "Academy" (which is the award giver) doesn't like watching anything outside of Hollywood, so Parasyte (a Korean film) being nominated and WINNING was a huge surprise! And anime got no wins in over a decade, last time being a Ghibli production because, you guess it, they had contacts with Hollywoodian producers and directors.

@@NothingXemnas it really depends on what animation they're using too. If it's 3D, it's bound to be shotty sometimes but can be pulled off. 2D is much easier to work with imo, depending on how they do it. Either digitally or hand drawn(I think there's more but I can't remember currently). Or even both, the one case I can only remember 2D and 3D was implemented was for Gundam Unicorn. The thing with Arcane and Edgerunners aren't catering to Hollywood standards, it's already established studios from a different market that's able to pull of things like this. Riot(not sure if there's any other supporting animation studios)do very well in cinematics in general. Looking at there previous works way before Arcane. Edgerunners is both CDPR(maybe even Pondsmith) and Trigger, so both aren't really in the realm of Hollywood. More so a medium that can be touched to expand on said IP, which is anime

The medium matters less than the stories being told. Sure certain mediums lend themselves better or worse for how many resources you need to invest or just aesthetically matchup well but if the fundamental understanding and writing of the material is bad nothing is really going to fix that. I mean case and point one of the classic cyberpunk mediums that got people into cyberpunk was Bladerunner. I mean hell Misty in game is basically a homage to one of the characters and they even have several easter eggs in cyberpunk 2077 dedicated to it. (Batty Hotel... Batty is the name of one of the characters and they even have his character dead on a roof with one of his iconic lines put up next to him so.... yeah... not exactly subtle) I mean I could see edgerunners live action if you really wanted to do it. I mean Battle Angel Alita for the cybernetics looks mixed with some matrix slowmo for the Sandevistan and despite how bad it was some of the visuals from the Ghost in the Shell film adaptation tells me this can be done live action.

I mean Riot understands what the communities of their games want and what they need. I am not always happy with changes they make but I do see why they make most of them. The studio who made arcane I believe is the same studio who makes both Valorant and LoL cinematics. Which are all nothing short of spectacular. Just imagine this is riots plan to advertise the LoL MMO.

@@cynthiahembree3957 I would be shocked if they don't have another Season ready right befor the MMO drops. You can't get better advertisment for your IPs, then pumping out a 10/10 Show, everyone universally agrees on.

With that being said, wouldn't let Activition watch my dog.

@@cynthiahembree3957 you must be talking about a different riot games studio cuz the ones im familiar with is constantly fucking their game over making shit versions of other games aka valorant being one. they took out 2 maps in league instead of adding new ones. crystal scar which was used for hide and seek which was the most popular community gamemode then they took out twisted treeline for some reason. they dont improve their game. not once not ever have they done so. not in any real way. they gave up on the gamemodes and are too lazy to have them on a set timetable so its random when they show up and how long they stay. so yea no riot doesnt know jack shit what their communities want. i mean you can also add on to the fact that almost their entire community will never bother reading the lore. arcane was fantastic but it was not due to riot.

The loli must stay

Same!

I remember watching arcane when it dropped and I got my wife to watch it. She enjoyed it so much there was nothing else we wanted to watch so we just went ahead and watched the whole show again. I watched arcane 3 times in one week because it was just that good

Right there with y’all. I watched arcane like 9 times and I just finished edgerunners for the first time. Getting the depression all over again…

How is Edgerunners extremely well done? It is an ok show with very well-done visuals.

almost a year later and im still constantly thinking about arcane, im 45 and consider it the best show ive ever seen tied with true detectives season 1

That's why I don't like many anime.

@@humanityfriend3869 why

@@humanityfriend3869 agree, many anime weebs dont like the sophesticated way of arcane's story telling which is sad.

@@archangel1339 then you watchin the wrong animes my boy

@archangel1339 literally one of the two examples of great storytelling and what the original comment is talking about IS an anime lmfao

Agreed!!! I think thats one of the main reasons. The creators get to make something similar to their original vision and also have a greater care for how well it is. The expanse had the 2 original authors of the books involved in the writing process of the show and they said a lot of scenes in the show was exactly how they pictured it in their heads. Also another reason I feel this guy doesn't get it exactly is the fact that most hollywood adaptations try to change the story for whatever reason alienating fans who want to see the original works come to life.

The director for the last of us also made the HBO Chernobyl, shit would 100% tear jerking.

I’m not nearly as excited for The Last of Us because it’s mostly gonna be a retelling of the game. Arcane and Edgerunners were great because they had stories that couldn’t have been inferred already.

@@SaberRexZealot Troy Baker (the voice of Joel) actually asked the TLoU creator Neil why he wanted to make the game into a serie since the games story is already perfect. Neil replied something like: "That's exactly why I want to make it into a serie, because it's a great story. You knows it, I knows it, the people who has played the game knows it. But there's still so many people who will never pick up a controller in their life and experience it." And I agree, by making it into a series I can actually sit down with my parents and older sisters (Who has no interest in games) and show them there's more to a game than just shooting and running. Personally, i dont read at all so i wouldve missed the greatness of Game of thrones and Harry Potter if they werent addapeted into series/movies even tho, the source material is always supirior to the adaption, but thats what makes you want to dive into the original afterwards. Like, imagine when the Harry Potter books got so much popularity in the 90's and they decides to make a Young Dumbledore movie saga instead of adapting the books. Because they don't want a retelling of the books and want an original story for the book fans only. So basically, im still excited for the show but I'm waaay more excited for the non-fans of the game to discover the story. (If it's good)

Just wanna say that Edgerunners was made by Studio Trigger (together with CDPR of course), but I agree with everything you said! Arcane, Edgerunners and Castlevania have a soul, I can tell the people who worked on them cared for what they were doing and know the games. I'm just in awe how Trigger adapted dozens of in-game locations that you can actually visit in the game, even the characters homes, they use songs you can listen in game from the radio and match them with beautiful moments, they even poke fun at some of the game's bugs at launch, they knocked it out of the park. You know you did something right when the creator of the Cyberpunk universe himself says that watching it was like looking inside his own brain.

mine are those two plus Castlevania

I love both, but, to me, Arcane is in a whole new level. I have a complain with Edgerunners in regards to it’s length. To me, the episodes should have been longer so that we could spend more time with the characters so that we are more invested in them. To me, if they took more time to develop David and Lucy, the ending would have been much more impactful. That also serves for the other characters.

What does modern mean to you?

They should do the next series about a nomad as the 1st season was about the "street kid "

@@charlesfoy1772 That is a good point about it also working as a sequel or at any point in the CP timeline, really. I'm sure there are more than enough legendary names in Night City they could have pitted the characters against.

Shame that CDPR can't do a Witcher anime, because Netflix has the rights to that.

Highly depends on how they do it. Trigger has a habit of doing one season for most of their stuff. If it's in the form of an edgerunners season 2, they'll probably pass, but if it's a different story set in the same universe, there's a chance they might do that.

@@danieldaw1778 There is not much of a reason to continue the Edgerunner stroy line. It's told. But a brand new cast? Hell yeah. Cyberpunk is a really vast world. Hell there are even tons of places outside of Night City that are worth showing off. There wouldn't be much of a reason for Trigger not to do it. It was a big success in every way. The only way i could think for them to decline is when working with CDPR was for Trigger an unpleasant experience.

Vi has a similar smoke tattoo on her back, visible when visited in prison

I think that's the thing. Giving the audience opportunity to digest something is awesome. Book of Boba is an example of taking a fairly interesting concept, and packing it with useless jargon, clunky dialogue and other bollocks. Yet Episode 5 (whichever one was basically the mandolorian) was a master class on how to do an live adaptation; showing, not telling and basically establishing the conflict for future seasons; without being idiotproof. The writers of the other episodes quite frankly could've benefited greatly from that example of less is more. Real good stories have elements that are never said, but can be inferred over time and makes us feel rewarded for believing in the world. Real people have aspects about them that is real, but they will never verbalise that part of themselves.

Would I like it if I've never played League?

@@s-wo8781 it is even better if you dont play league in my opinion.

@@kayle1270 how so??? U need to experience both to know which one is better and its kinda impossible to experience both...

@@Zukkaaa i actually played league and they confirmed that the lore of the characters is cannon so you kinda know who will live at the end of the story and who MIGHT die, it surely better to watch it by non league player

@@kayle1270 no that's for u...💀 when ur league fun and follow their lore for a kong time u will fk love that and would be as good as if not better.

On that note, I wonder if the DnD movie is going to be any good for that same reason. Plenty of people, myself included, love to sit down for dozens of hours just to watch a good DnD campaign. Plenty of those even get fanmade animations and whatnot. Since that is doing very well, there's definitely a lot of potential for a solid movie adaptation.

@@Tepid24 as long as the studio is allowed to actually make a good story set in that universe then yeah. Usually its shareholders calling the shots and they have no idea about the material being referenced. They just want big names attached and to follow whatever trend they think will make the most money. Edgerunners was seemingly allowed to be a labor of love and in return was loved.

@@Tepid24 No, unfortunetly it will be not good. First sign of disrespect towards source material is the fact, that in movie, Druid can transform into Owlbear. If you like a fantasy rpg DnD-like adaptations, then I strongly recommend Legend of Vox Machina. They nailed it right into the last board.

Ehh there are more problems than the medium here.... The writing is just messy. The timeline jumps all over the place even within episodes and it also jumps from character to character making it near impossible for anyone who isn't familiar with the stories its being adapted from to connect anything and no amount of animation is going to fix something like that. Additionally, they keep trying to do the game of thrones thing where they jump from character to character but are inconsistent with how they develop the characters. i.e. we get all of Yen's back story and quite a bit of Ciri's but we know almost nothing of Geralt from the show itself. He is not the main character of the show and it kind of messes with expectations of people going into it who had played the game and were expecting Geralt to be the star. Costumes were also atrocious and some of the elements of the story just don't make any damn sense.

Stuff like Arcane, Edgerunners and Castlevania proves that Animation is the best medium to adapt Video Games.

@@onepresence9460 Again I'll say writing and story is equal importance to how its presented. Alita is proof you can translate anime to live action fairly well. Look at most of the live adaptations though and the writing is crap and no medium change is going to save that. Resident evil... pretty bad. First one was alright but not stellar. Mario Brothers first movie.... made no sense relative to the game and was garbage. Bloodrayne... bad writing/plot etc. Sure animation lends itself to certain kinds of storytelling but at its core you have to have something worth making the visuals for. I mean Sandy effect for David was pretty well represented over 20 years ago with matrix bullet time. Again going to Alita you can see a pretty good example of cyberware. All that Arcane, Edgerunners and Castlevania proves is that animation has had the best successful adaptations not that its the best format. I mean take a look at Bladerunner and its sequel and you can get an inkling at what can be done as well as far as city/environment development. Its mostly a matter of the pieces just never seem to come together for good adaptations elsewhere. Don't pigeonhole it as I'd like to see game adaptations be good across multiple mediums. As much as big studios don't seem to care about the average persons opinion it does add up and they are looking for your dollar if only out of self interest.

@@onepresence9460 honestly yeah a good studio can make it transcend.

@@uriel005 The Witcher series is one of the most disappointing adaptations I have ever seen and I am still bitter about it. It was adapting the books which are very well written and also unlike others (cough cough GoT) long completed yet the show runner and writer decided to retcon and completely change a LOT of the story and lore , the show was at its best when if followed the books as close as possible but the further it went on for the further it strayed from the source material down to completely changing monster lore and character backstories. Then there is how cheap the series costumes , sets , editing and vfx feel on MANY occasions. Its a shame really as the World of The Witcher is a very unique dark fantasy world that is unlike anything else out there.

I think you kind of missed the point here: "Excellent writing, wonderful presentation and good characters" can only truly shine when you aren't forced to make compromises to adhere to some previous expectations - especially in the case of Cyberpunk you would have to make choice for the series whereas in the game you can give the player the freedom. Take the lifepath for example: You could thematically build a whole series around one specific lifepath, irritating everyone whose head canon does not match - or ignore the concept completely, comprising V's backstory. Being a prequel does not make them better or worse by itself, it offers the freedom to tell better/more stories

Yeah, Witcher is not video game but book adaptation...

Theres definitely times when adapting the story can work. Imo, Fate worked because they took the time to adapt both UBW and HF. Creating a more complete story. On their own, they're good, but incomplete imo. So, it's not that adapting the story of a game is impossible, it's just absurdly hard.

I thought maybe they would adapt to what happened 500 years ago, but it may be reserved for main game.

Apparently they will adapt the Archon War and the fall of Khaenri'ah. A season for each nation, just speculation for the moment.

@@solitucedagar4298 Expanding on what happened 500 years ago is a great idea. In the game, there were a lot of events and stories during the Cataclysm

Still don't know about it... It's announced but it could be prequel story before current storyline just like their own manga...

Castlevania, at it's best, was really good yeah

the first sonic movie was also not bad.

The first Silent Hill movie is also quite good. People forget about it.

Castlevania was great until the latter half of season 3, then it started falling apart from there.

Castlevania is a joke and offense to the games. I don't know much about Arcane and LoL but CV has nothing on Edgerunners as an adaptation. Despite its flaws, Edgerunners very accurately depicted the world of CP2077 and tells its own story in this setting. CV is so subpar in adapting its source material, it can't even be called a fanfiction. The lore and characters were butchered so hard, Uwe Boll's movies look like masterpieces next to this. I can't believe I have to say this.

Fair

​@@ZenithAniManga And it's a bad one

CV tells 💩. Everyone who at least played one CV game knows this. It has nothing to do with the games and completely butchers the game's characters. It's just a GoT-wannabe made by comic book writer.

@@justasoulsfan9805 big ooff opinion.

@@Dr._Mantis_Toboggan_Md. Hard to hear the truth huh? Redditors and Zoomers who never played the games have the oof opinions. Everyone who played a CV game in their life knows that the Netflix show is garbage. And people who defend this show simply have no clue about CV. Deal with it. CP Edgerunners is pretty mid and far from Triggers best work, but it at least adapts its source material well.

@@justasoulsfan9805 what truth ya dweeb, it's a great show, your minority opinion won't change that. Last time I checked, no one gave a flying fuck about the 10 remaining castlevania game fans. And the show is leagues better than Edgerunners. Hell, the show is better written than 90% of the games.

Except when Paramount throws EVERYTHING but the name and green armor away. Halo the TV show was an atrocity. Kai was the best thing to come out of it, but the rest of it is trash. And this is from someone who LOVES the Halo universe, has read all the books, owns all the scores, all the games, all the remastered games...etc.

@@wjrneo2 Like I said, its a missed opportunity and it'll take years before they try something different.

Fuck NO, an adaptation is better you can just simply add flashbacks

I want them to adapt the story later on after

Thanks!

This would be another good way to tell a story or expand on a world. Like in FFX, we follow Yuna and Tidus on their journey. But Isaaru and Donna both had their own cross continent journeys, and came to different conclusions. How did those characters get around, what experiences formed their decisions, who did they interact with? That could be it's own separate story.

Arcane is also way longer, so they had more time to flesh things out. Edgerunners, while chock-full of aspects it didn’t really get to explain them

Ayy thanks, it's good to see a video go off like this

@@ZenithAniManga pax tube did a more practical review of edgerunner than everyone else

Thanks, I appreciate that!

Its a awful show...

@@jmsimplysuperior.7367 ~Introducing Sauron, as Eminem (if that is supposed to be Sauron imma send them letter farts)

@@avemew5407 It's not Sauron Sauron is Halbrand

@@krajicsek13 Can't be, Eminem would have unexplained power and would be non canon

I agree, the Castlevania anime is pretty good and was the first good video game adaptation on Netflix. I hope we get more shows like those three.

CV is garbage written by an author who didn't even bother to research the game lore. It has nothing to do with its source material outside of ripping (and r***ing) characters from the games.

Thanks!

He's covering video game adaptations. Made in Abyss got a game based on the series, not the other way around.

Arcane isn’t an anime lmao