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Sound design is fascinating and this is a topic that I always enjoy watching. So yes more of this type of guest would be great.

That is the exact type of pro audio editing on a film tutorials that we can't find on youtube. More of this please. Same for color grading (the kind that exists on youtube, does NOT mirror how hollywood colorists work -- for example, they only talk about colors, not about texture).

So I've been doing some reorganizing today, so probably gonna end up doing that tonight!

I'm surprised. First: yes, the human voice very much does make sounds below 100 Hertz. I don't know where you got that from, it's demonstrably false. Second: why don't you just group this bus to another track to gain an extra instance of the equalizer? Third: Yes you can very much remove the fundamental frequency, because we're ought to make the voice sound better by any means should we choose so. And since we talk constant ringing, you want to avoid all of those for clarity. Fourth: Do not keep the EQ bands active once you found a frequency you found jarring when you try to find the next. Because chances are that you are getting a false positive that way as you alter the source material for harmonics. You are changing the phase alignment and make different frequencies pop out more if you cut others. Once you have all the constants that you think are a problem, keep the frequency but start at 0db and pull them down a little until you figure out which of the ones are more jarring than others. Also don't be afraid to boost certaian frequencies which cause another phase shift that can actually counter ringing frequencies due to a wider spectrum that is heard. Fifth: EQ is only one instance. (Multiband) Compression, de-essing, noise reduction are just as important for a clean, smooth and transparent audio track. Sixth: Alter the audio in an actual DAW, because it has far more power and flexibility and you're not limited like any video editing software is. Then import the tracks back into the project :) Seventh (from Edit): Check audio track alignment. Even with the marker, and even with auto-align software, there is a chance you are off by more than one frame. This sometimes causes the image to be "blurry" as we subconsciously try to lip-sync the audio in our brain and when it's slightly off, we feel that. Others feel it more actively with more acute senses. Whenever the audio is too separated from the video track I feel like the video is "blurry" when the audio track doesn't line up perfectly. Sound travels really slow, so even a few meters of distance to the speaker can already have an offset of a frame or two, and not all capturing devices are made equal in terms of latency.

This guy is cutting frequencies with a -10/-15db boost and a bit wide Q factor and says the change is subtle "subtle" lol

I love how there's absolutely no fluff in this tutorial. Straight to the point, and Mark makes it all really easy to understand. Thanks guys!

Love the value you are bringing to the editing world by inviting others to share their skills. Great use of the platform.

FYI boosting a frequency by 10-20db in not "a little" as dude says, that's an EXTREME boost which will likely cause other problems: artifacts, phasing issues .. it's like gaining up a shot 20 stops after filming ... it breaks shit. In the audio world you can typically get results by cutting 1db in the right places and MAYBE boost by 1-3db in certain spots. Filter out the rumble frequencies below 90hz on dialogue and boom.

this is absolute gold. I am always looking for the best way to edit audio for film and this has been the best yet explained video for it. Thanks

I like how you make it clear how long you’ve been doing this which doesn’t stop you from being flawed

Thank you for this video. Helped me so much, I'm constantly struggling with how to properly EQ stuff.

Great Video, Thank you so much for shedding light onto this topic for me!

Funny enough, I thought that the way Mark processed his own voice for this video was a bit overboard haha. Mids are scooped like crazy, and it sounds like he's heavily boosted his highs and depending too much on his de-esser/compressor to keep it controlled. This might keep his vocal consistent and purposeful for this video in particular, but a little harsh sounding overall I felt. Great video though.

This is so interesting and useful... I can't even express my gratitude properly

Sound is so huge in film. Always underestimated.

I Love to Edit..Sacrficed my daily old job for it..bcus i want to do what i love in life.Learning alone only by watching youtube videos..no other options open fr me..u teach the core main asoect of editing and i try to learn as much as i can..Thank u so much.Love from India❤️

Great vid! Priceless for a sound editor!

This was the first time I've watched an audio tutorial and walked away feeling like I can do this.....Gracias

This was an amazing lesson, thx!!!

yes please to more guest experts share pro-tips on editing and post production (but still with Sven's own take and thoughts too)

Awesome Episode! Thank you Sven!

Oh man thank you so much!!!

I'm a producer and a editor. i found this useful. thank you.

Made a lot of sense. Thanks.

fairlight is pretty cool i like the stock vocal chain for spoken word but 3rd party vst support would be a good addition. the eq is pretty nifty though

Yes, more pro-tips ♥️

Just when i need it! tnx 8)

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯thanks so much for this!!!

I remember first learning everyone always said only lower maybe -5 d maximum...maybe that was just for music..or audio that already sounds great, ill have to try this one.

Please do more videos on sound design Make a playlist on sound design it will be useful for many amateur filmmakers

Absolutely love davinci reslove for sound design

Wasn't sure I heard the tone.. I will play it again with headphones.

Thank you alot for this video

Wow, clear as mud. I hardly have any idea what's being done.

Mark Webber is one of my favorite actors. I love 13 Sins.

Awesome. I kind of hate sound design as I only partly get it. I’m the visual Director/DOP guy... unless I one man it! Then I need to figure it all out!!! Hence watching this! Thanks 😀🕺🏻🎥🏖🇦🇺🎄

this is great! now an episode on sound recording for dialogue? ☺️

If you click on where it says Band 1 and Band 6 you can enable those bands to add additional EQ flexibility (Dropping lows and highs and then scooping the boxiness, nasal tones and sibilance). Hope that helps someone struggling with the 4-Band!

15dbs is not a little bit 😂😂🤣. But it’s a pretty decent tutorial. At the end of the day, what matters is the sound you get out of it, so whatever sounds good!

Great video and clearly explained the basics of a preliminary sound grade. Learned more in this vid than others on the subject, especially the nuances of the Q dial and frequencies of the voice. Will be applying to my next projects.

Superb, thank you.

One of the best EQ's in the world... lol

Good video. Thank you.

When you see two back to back frequencies using two markers instead of one expanded you start questioning so much lol

Good illustration

How do you download and use the presets any tutorials on that im really interested also wen u use the presets anyway to adjust to your own liking ?

The sound on that clip still sounds awful even after the corrections....

The last part music background is similar to OneWheel ads which I really like it

Really thorough breakdown but man, I couldn't follow any of it! Thanks for your time though!

I don't understand what we are looking for in sound. I can't recognise this "ooo" sound. To me, everything kinda sounds the same. Can you explain it a little more? Thank you.

I use this technique all the time. I didn't know you weren't supposed to attenuate the fundamental though. Interesting.

This Guy Edits, it looks like his page is CinemaSound.com not CinematicSound.com

I see Stephen Still, The talent and press click.

Omg I am stuck with this time to make things change

I did this in première. Thank youu

Does anyone know how to record dialogue specifically so you can also record foley in post?

So good! Im in a biiig situation right now where I have to deal with a feature film editing once I have to mix dialogs recorded with different mics and frequencies. Im kinda of strugglin to balance it all togeter. Im using the SSL Wave plugin to king match it but I'm not sure its the right way. Anyways. Nice tutorial, man. I'll try to use some of these methods to try to get it done. Thanks

Hey That's Stephen Stills. He's the talent.

I had to use close-captions to finally understand what David Craig and Rooney Mara were saying while lying on the bed near the end of David Fincher's "Dragon Tattoo" movie. Sometimes it's just a matter of upping the volume, or having someone who doesn't know the script being there in the final mix.

Really bothering me that there's only 4 bands here. Not sure if DaVinci resolve allows VST plugins, but if so, Cockos makes a really good EQ that comes with Reaper. The lack of a low pass and high pass is really bothering me. High passing and low passing would really help cut down on room noise from the microphones.

I was looking into Alex Audio Butler extension , what is your opinion. Is it worth it?

Another detail to get right is that the iPhone would turn it’s screen off when you’re on a call and hold it up to your ear, not leave a super bright white screen on.

Thanks

Honestly, I don't get it. For the most part, I don't hear single frequency bands poking out of the spektrum while sweeping. I just hear a massive resonance filter. Also, why would you want to take out the bands that are characteristic for the voice in question? The more you apply this concept to a voice, the more you reduce its sound to a whisper, i.e. you are left with the sibilants in the end. And those get squished in the de-essing stage later, so what have you gained other than reducing the overall volume?? Also also, if you put this EQ on your voice bus and send _all_ dialogue through it, you process _every_ voice with the settings that are characteristic to *_one_* individual voice. And then, of course, you ommited de-essing, compression etc. etc. But okay, this was not meant to be comprehensive - but in my experience, those are far more important than basic EQing.

there are a lot of really weird things about this EQ strategy. firstly, 15dB is A LOT. i’d only use that much if there’s an audible background noise in the recording. second, don’t use tiny bands to specifically eq out harmonics. the pitch of voices change, so use a small dip. i don’t know if he’s doing this intentionally, but the reason why it’s a good idea to EQ in that part of the frequency spectrum is to reduce proximity effect from the recording so it sounds like the person isn’t standing incredibly close to you. and, it should one small, wide dip, maybe 1-3db. you should MOST CERTAINLY eq sibilance! we evolved to be most sensitive to that frequency of sound (see equal loudness contour graph). the only part of this tutorial that i’d 100% get behind is the sweeping frequencies strategy. In The Mix has a good video on editing vocals for music, pretty much the same should apply to this. this is a difficult thing to learn because it requires you to listen to audio in a new way, so don’t feel bad if you can’t get it immediately. our brains are wired to adjust our hearing based on the context we are in, so it’s difficult to know what to look for. while you’re eq’ing, try to compare your voice part to another recording of speech you know you like. the juxtaposition should help emphasize where problem areas are.

Thank you Mark. That was an interesting introduction that was fairly easy to follow. At first I was worried, and it could have been a little longer. The most important advice was not included, you learn to EQ voices by doing it. That and starting with the method you introduced. I've been mixing dialogue for over 20 years, and I'm usually struggling to show people the benefits of good mixing and experienced craftspeople working on their sound. I'll send some folks this way when I run in to them. As for things people might want to learn about as well, there are quite a few that would have lengthened the video too much. Automation, i.e. applying certain processor settings across an area of a track, using various automation modes and methods of recording that automation. Recordable keyframes in video terms :). Fairlight is decent at this, though it needs to improve its manual quite a bit, right along with its customization options such as keyboard shortcuts. Reaper is a much better model here since Protools has no customization of controls. Again, thanks for introducing people to these concepts. I applaud anyone bringing better sound to video and film makers. I just need to remind everyone here, including the experienced film editors, that if you're handing off sound post production to sound craftspeople, they will need the raw files, not processed files :).

We need more tutorials like this 👏🏼👏🏼 I would love to see one on mixing with music and EQing music

How much of this functionality is in FCPX? Or should one clean up the Actors Dialogue in another Product as - eventually - I’ll be ramping up to 12 actors in a couple scenes where each has lines...

Can't you just export the audio and import into a daw then you can use similar plugins that can give you inifinite bands to work with. And there are so many other functions you can use to fix this sound.

How did he draw on his Mac screen (that arrow)?

Wouldn't using a spectrogram be easier? Also, how do you work when several people talk in a scene? Sweeping the filter like that is an interesting approach. I don't really do any of this stuff but this was very interesting, thanks!

My question is me speaking as an absolute newbie. I've been reviewing a few tutorials on Davinci Fairlight basics, and I find there are so many approaches in the EQ. In your video @8:45 the final EQ looks like the letter W with 4 V-shaped troughs where everything is below the line. I've seen another tutorial where the person takes the same approach as you except with 2 small V-shaped troughs with everything below the line. Also, at the both extreme ends the lines are flat. What I don't understand is that there are other tutorials where the final EQ looks like the letter M -- where the extreme high and low frequencies are made low below the line, and then there are usually 2 peaks that go above the line. As a newbie, seeing all these different approaches, I'm confused how come there are so many different approaches and I'm struggling to know which advice to follow. Do you have any guidance on how a newbie can sort through the so many different approaches?

Good nice

Thanks for a video on a subject I'm quite interested in understanding better. While I've been editing audio for a long time, I still want to really understand and learn more. At 6:00 you are sweeping your peaking filter up to the first frequency you want to attenuation. At that point (6:00) you say that's it but you do not articulate in a way that I can exactly understand what it is you heard that told you that was the correct frequency. Without that clarity about what it is you are hearing i can not translate what you are teaching into something I can replicate. Can you expand on what you hear in a more precise way? I doubt that an written answer here in the comments will help that much. I'd really like to see another video where you focus on what you are hearing qualitatively and quantitatively?

Well, completely agree with all what Khunvyel said and that just the basic of mixing dialogue. Sorry to say that but working on a proper daw will be much more convenient, no any pro will do post with Davinci! I mean I'm not gonna edit a movie on Nuendo right? Also doing some eq sweeping like he's doing will always end up with tones of resonating frequencies and luckily that he doesn't have a 31 bands because he'll end up with a flat and inconsistent sound. The dialogue he's working on will to me need first some restauration, cleaning etc. with RX more than eq at first, then I'll rather use dynamic eq rather than parametric eq and that will be just a small part of the work to get a, as you put in the title of the video "How dialogue should sound". And to finish, the dialogue includes room ambiance so, hard eq on it with also affect all other sounds, room tone and other sounds that are happening during the scene. Sorry, I don't want to be mean but the content of that video is completely wrong. And about the 100Hertz, last day I recorded a VO and the talent's voice was going down to 57Hrtz, yes very low voice but just to say...

i couldn't hear these sounds he was talking about. I am wearing headphones.

Does anyone know where to get the hat that he’s wearing at 10:26?

I think "basic" should probably not be in the video title, but i'm sure this will be very helpful to me some day. Right now? So lost 😅

The first scene is so weird. It's like he's traveling in a different car heading in a different direction as the girl. Maybe because he's traveling to screen left and she's traveling to screen right? Or maybe cause they're so far off the side of the screen. Anyone else notice this?

Looks like it would be so much easier if there's a spectrograph display

We need to 60 seconds scene with priority on storytelling and sound design. That's understood. But do we need to use EGGS as actors? Is it mandate?

Wow! This must take hours and hours to do a whole 2 hr movie.

Couldn't I just rip the audio, throw it into samplitude/sequoia, edit it, and sync it back up?

Your attenuating cuts should be way smaller than this. Also, often you want to cut out that sibilance you mention that sits above 5k. For dialogue, you usually want to put a High Pass Filter on too to eliminate low frequency noise not made my the actors voice.

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I think that audio was a bad example because it sounded almost identical with the finished product because of the room's reverb. Still sounded kinda crappy in the mids. I would love to have seen him edit a clip with a background noise or a 60 cycle into silence

Where can I download clips for editing practice?

sound is everythink i think

Is it one of the criteria for the contest that the eggs have to have faces on them or can we just have plain old eggs?

4:28 - This is very, very misleading. Plenty of male voices have fundamental frequencies below 100hz. (They may not have been properly captured on set, or with a sub-optimal mic) In this instance where you're trying to balance the DX with SFX, walla, ambience, music etc. - the best practice is to roll off the lowest frequencies. IMHO this is a good idea, but when you're dealing with just DX in an environment with no other sounds, sometimes leaving in the very low frequencies will create a sense of warmth and intimacy. Just my 2 cents 🙂

What's the film title?

Sorry, but it sounds awful. This sort of notch filtering is a bad idea on speech that is meant to sound natural, because it's correlated with the room-bound impulse response. For a radio voice, maybe, but here the main issue is the microphone technique. If you need to use more than 5-6 db of notching, and you use very narrow Q like this, you know you're in trouble. What you deemed was the voice's 'fundamental' wasn't the fundamental - it was the room's main resonant frequency and this is where most of the problem occurs. There is a key frequency at 2K that can make sound tiring, and there is another key at 8K where presence and "air" can make a lot of difference in the perception of intimacy. Maybe you should stop using headphones to monitor, unless the audio was captured with a dummy head.

Can you use VST audio effects in DaVinci Resolve?

This is really good. As I am an aspiring music producer for me dialogs are really different from mixing vocals.

what about band 1 and band 6, can't bro just enable them??????

It sounds like she's talking through a tube at the beginning.

Are you sure male voice starts at 150Hz? Seems really high to me. That's already more like female voice.

I don't know why Mark Edward starts off by saying that Fairlight is one of the best and then goes on saying that it's really limited. He did a similar video for The Film Look channel where he worked with Audition and used A LOT of frequencies, because you can stack Parametric Equalizers in Adobe software -> Even directly in Premiere, because it's the same plugin. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pOCReLN5p9-neZ8.html Another limitation is the Q Factor that doesn't let you go too narrow, so you can't really pick one very problematic frequency and tone it down -15dB, therefore you have to go wider and only tone down -9dB because otherwise you would be affecting neighboring good frequencies that you want to keep. But all in all, you work with what you have, because this sort of work on audio is definitely needed. And as he said, you don't need 30 years of experience, just a little bit of practice.

Though the guy in the middle made some good points, his own audio had huge sibilance problems...