How did our heat pump cope in a cold snap? Heat pump stats January 24

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Winter in 2023/24 so far has been surprisingly, shockingly, mild. Which is great for heat pump efficiency. But between the 15th and 19th of January, we had some real winter weather, the forecasted cold snap came with winds from the North and negative temperatures for most of the week.
Where I live in Durham, it was down to -5, and stayed below 0 for a long time over the 5 days.
Some people will have you believe that air source heat pumps don't work below 5°C, let along below 0°C. Well, in this video, I will give you the detail of how well they work down to -5°C. Can they keep us warm? We know they will use loads of electricity, but how much? How much would it cost....?
What do you think? How did our heat pump do in a cold snap?
This is a video about one week of heat pump performance. To understand heat pump performance more broadly, we have to review over a 12 month period, in this video, I will try to share that context too.

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@lharris828
@lharris828 5 ай бұрын
During that spell of -C temperatures we set our h.p. to come in cheap rate and heat at 0130am to 18C. Then set to heat to 19C at 0330am with back to 17C at 0430am. Set to 20C at 0640am for rest of day until 9pm - back to 17C. It works for us.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Great stuff! Having that flexibility is really important, most recently I have kept our set point constant in an attempt to push weather compensation curve down lower and increase efficiency, but if you can vary like you describe, that may work out better! Tom
@markmurphy7301
@markmurphy7301 5 ай бұрын
I think your setup did really well. Mine was working hard also and I had zero issues. I would worry about a 2010 winter though and the sheer length of that cold snap, but as you said the gas boilers were also working hard. Great analysis and great to see it all laid out.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Mark, really kind feedback! Yes this winter has by no means been the coldest, and I am sure we will have colder winters in the future. Efficiency may well be lower, and costs, higher! But we shall see! Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@jeanh9641
@jeanh9641 5 ай бұрын
Thanks, Tom. That was so informative. I have just started my heat pump journey. Waiting for a survey from Octopus. I am nervous about getting rid of gas but I know it is the right thing to do. Looking at your stats reassures me that although it is more expensive to run during really cold spells, it is not outrageous. As you are an early adopter, you are giving snails like me the confidence to proceed. Thank you.
@adam_b1187
@adam_b1187 5 ай бұрын
We've had our heat pump almost 2 years now, wasn't an easy process to get it properly set up and running properly, but that was down to my house rather than the heat pump. Overall I'm really pleased though, it's a significant investment, but our goal was to come off mains gas, which we have. Good luck 😊
@higreentj
@higreentj 5 ай бұрын
There is a new design of heat pump that works in -10C temperature,
@adam_b1187
@adam_b1187 5 ай бұрын
@higreentj mine is rated to operate down to -15 centigrade. Modern refrigerants boil at -16 centrigrade which is pretty incredible.
@higreentj
@higreentj 5 ай бұрын
The Bosch heat pump just released at CES operates at -5C not -10C as I was told. I didn't know they worked at -16C without electric heating elements.
@adam_b1187
@adam_b1187 5 ай бұрын
@higreentj they lose a lot of efficiency down at those temperatures, but should still work. If you're relying on the immersion heating element alone it might be cheaper to burn £5 notes !
@MG-qo5ge
@MG-qo5ge 5 ай бұрын
In the south of UK we also had a cold snap, (-5'C) in the middle of which the heat pump defrost failed and the cost skyrocketed form £8 per day to £17.50 on investigation the K type sensor had failed replaced it (an easy job) and back to normal, I will say that this a 10 year old heat pump and the first time it has failed, The lesson learnt is that if one is competent with a multimeter and the unit is out of warranty a bit of self help is to have a spare thermocouple at hand as they are usually generic so that so that you or your service engineer could replace it saves time waiting for spares The thermocouple are usually under £20.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 5 ай бұрын
My 9kw GSHP will use up to around 50kwh per day when it is cold. COP never gets below 2.9 and is usually 3.5 or better.
@laurier3348
@laurier3348 4 ай бұрын
Yo, but not all heat pumps are crap.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Thanks MG and Roger, great to hear you were able to fix stuff yourself, I am an engineer in my head and on paper, I can barely change a light bulb...! So I would need some help in that case! @laurier3348 - that is clearly not true, but thanks for adding a comment on my video!
@UpsideDownFork
@UpsideDownFork 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant video as always Tom! I've been filling up my scatter graph ready for the big reveal once I've collected the full month of January. I've got some similar findings to you from the not so sunny south!
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Great stuff, look forward to seeing the video! How did you get on in the cold snap?
@UpsideDownFork
@UpsideDownFork 5 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle like you, we had our first days when it would have been cheaper to run a gas boiler. BUT, we did wake up to minus 8 degrees on one of those cold snaps mornings, unheard of here on the south coast! 🤔
@mikereadinguk2879
@mikereadinguk2879 5 ай бұрын
Very informative and balanced video. The figures you gave out and analysis were very helpful.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Mike, kind of you to comment. All the best Tom
@RobWhittlestone
@RobWhittlestone 4 ай бұрын
I found this very interesting. I live in Switzerland and I have owned properties with air/water heat pump heating for 30 years. Here in winter it's not unusual to have temperatures under zero even for weeks on end and of course that has traditionally driven house design and insulation standards. My memories of UK building standards from my childhood (single glazing, air gap brick walls, suspended wooden flooring, poorly closing doors and windows) are seriously at odds with the need for good thermal insulation. So I am curious to know how well Tom's house is insulated. Our current Swiss standards stipulate triple glazing, limiting window area, 15 to 20 cm thermal foam on outside walls, very well sealing windows, thick, insulated outside doors and much more. My typical inside temperature is about 23⁰C If the sun is shining, I maximise solar warming from large glazing on our south-facing façade and minimise heat loss in darkness by closing curtains and outside blinds. Similarly in summer I have to limit solar heating of the house with blinds and curtains and ingress of hot outside air by keeping windows andndoors closed to keep the ambient inside temperatures below 27⁰C as far as possible. With high summer temperatures reaching 37⁰-39⁰C, my balcony (with thick glass) and my garden patio regularly reach over 45⁰C in summer. Half of my north-facing façade is covered by my unheated garage which itself never seems cooler than 0⁰C and surely prevents further cooling of the house in winter. Jn summer it is almost always in shade. Bottom line: there's a lot more to maintaining comfortable living temperatures than meets the eye. My gut feeling says that Tom's heating need is very high for only 20⁰C temperature difference between inside and outside temperatures and I wonder what more can be done to reduce heat loss and therefore heat consumption to maintain a constant temperature. Many thanks for the video and all the best, Rob in Switzerland PS. I should perhaps add that my heat pump is located in my service cellar with the 300 litre boiler, water softener, electrical fuse board, house ethernet network rack and central cable TV distribution point. This cellar is unheated but is rarely cooler than 18⁰C, probably profiting from the ground-floor underfloor heating as its ceiling.
@tarsembains1824
@tarsembains1824 4 ай бұрын
thanks Tom, this was the one I was waiting for You have me convinced now
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
No problem - pleased to be of help - what’s your plan?
@tarsembains1824
@tarsembains1824 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle hi got Octupus booked yo come over for a survey and then installation in the Kate summer
@marcosscriven
@marcosscriven 5 ай бұрын
Really great to see a no-nonsense report on real-world heat pump usage. Currently on a conventional gas boiler system, and planning heating options after a refurb. At time of this comment, Octopus tracker is 15.21p/3.79p for elec/gas respectively, vs price cap prices of 28.62p/7.42p. In both cases as about 4x. However, it seems that overall the COP evens this out, and it wouldn't be a deal-breaker to pay more than gas would for a few weeks of the year. And great to highlight exactly how much this reduces CO2 emissions.
@Cruner62
@Cruner62 4 ай бұрын
You will never feel any effects of reducing CO2 in the UK - it's a myth - CO2 is plant food and we cannot live without it. Solar panels and wind turbine blades are made from coal and fossil fuels that is where the emissions are created - and there is room to improve without any downside.
@edwardpickering9006
@edwardpickering9006 5 ай бұрын
Interesting stuff Tom. That week our gas bill was £6.50 for heating only, flow temp on boiler 45 degrees and internal thermostats on 19 degrees. Was all cosy as well. Shows it should be all good for a heat pump this year!!!
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Spot on Edward, look forward to hearing all about it!!
@andylewis210
@andylewis210 5 ай бұрын
19 degrees??? I’d have to keep my coat on in the house!
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 5 ай бұрын
Same, I found it funny when he kept saying nice and warm. I set my house to 22/23
@dsuse3949
@dsuse3949 5 ай бұрын
you most likely have physical defects or problems. go seek help... needing heater over 19 is a sign something is very wrong
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi all, I guess it’s a comfort thing, I know lots of people that keep their house warmer, some that keep their house cooler, we are happy at 19-19.5 but could go higher if we wanted. At 22/23 I would be too warm! In shorts and T-shirt in the winter! Tom
@MrNilOrange
@MrNilOrange 5 ай бұрын
Great vid. I’m on the cusp of investing. So your channel is helping a lot.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Thanks MrNillOrange, that is fantastic to hear, pleased I can be of some help. Any questions give me a shout! Tom
@dorsetengineering
@dorsetengineering 4 ай бұрын
Our experience, on my diy install: Costs no more than we used to spend on gas, house has been extended by 15m2 and is now warmer than it was before. And we’ve removed the combustion appliance from inside the house. Win win
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely! I think the improved comfort was something that surprised me when our heat pump was installed. Plenty of wins! Great job on a DIY install, I am an 'engineer' on paper, or in my head, but definitely not skilled enough to install a heat pump in reality!
@dorsetengineering
@dorsetengineering 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle I'm a software engineer by day... although I have been known to plumb :D
@garyrandall9023
@garyrandall9023 5 ай бұрын
£8:46 for our gas boiler on the 17th Jan but not as cold here, your accounts help re ASHP so please keep up the good work
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Gary - pleased I can be of some help!
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale 5 ай бұрын
Same sort of weather in northern Brittany last week. Typical weather we use around 16kWh per day to heat our house to 21 in a windy location by the sea. Last week peaked at 64 kWh one day, average around 55 kWh. Wet snow and high humidity meant quite a lot of defrost cycles!
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 5 ай бұрын
That is why a ground source heat pump is better if you can afford it.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Richard and Roger, Great to hear about your experience in Brittany, I don't know much about the heating world in France, so pleased to hear there are heat pumps over there! Ground source heat pumps, yes, probably a good point, although I know of several GSHP systems in organisations I have worked for where _something_ goes wrong in the ground and therefore maintenance teams suggest it can't be fixed (even if that isn't true). I think keep things above ground, keep them maintainable, and that is posisbly better.... Tom
@Richardincancale
@Richardincancale 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Hi - heat pumps are really flying here, some delays from vendors due to demand! Ground Source isn’t possible here - granite just under the overlying clay is too tough to drill for a vertical system, don’t have enough land for a horizontal system.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Brill - that is really interesting to hear@@Richardincancale
@JAZPER53
@JAZPER53 5 ай бұрын
My one bedroom flat has three storage heaters on tariff 7 but only use two of the three heaters. My heating cost including hot water cost me no more than £3 per day during the cold snap and £2 per day when outside temperature rise above 40°f. These costs are based on keeping my indoor temperatures above 70°f and very rarely drops below.
@ssrrocks22
@ssrrocks22 4 ай бұрын
My MR. Cool worked just fine no issues whatsoever. This is year 2 for my mr. Cool...
@edwardlamb
@edwardlamb 5 ай бұрын
Really inserting, Tom! Just looking at our stats - we used 34 & 36kWh (1950s 3 bed end terrace) on the 18th & 19th, but we paid about the same as you*. We're on Octopus Cozy. Similar settings to you - we have a fall back of 18.5C and aim for 20C before 4pm. That said... our efficiency is around 4.5-4.8 which I'm really happy with. Just need to get our bills down a bit. Good work! *Though my price includes all energy - cooking, lighting, charging, etc. - £9.90 on the 19th. Maybe not so bad.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Ed! That efficiency is amazing, I can only dream! Yeah I think your costs aren't too bad, and are about as bad as it gets. Ours are much lower now it is milder again. Would you consider agile or tracker tariffs? I was on cosy for a while but found agile can be much cheaper. Hope you are well! Tom
@edwardlamb
@edwardlamb 5 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Thanks Tom. Yeah my COP is so high that I'm wondering if I'm working it out right! Just using a formula I found and taking the data from the thermostat/display. Would I consider Tracker? Absolutely. I'm going to let winter play out and then work out some average rates we've been paying, then might compare that to what you've been getting. All good here. Keep up the good work! Ed
@Cruner62
@Cruner62 4 ай бұрын
IT looks so amazing a COP of 4.8 until you see that the energy input has risen 4 fold so you could have paid out the same or less had you stayed on the Gas but you have been shafted by the cost of the heat pump and the maintenance not to mention the additions to make it work with insulation larger radiators and much more piping. also your room temps are much reduced with a max of 40 deg needing boosting for your drinking sanitation against the dreaded waterborne bacteria (legionaires) that needs a min of 60 deg.
@_Dougaldog
@_Dougaldog 4 ай бұрын
@@Cruner62 Let me guess, you're a gas fitter in your day job ? Legionella cycle has nothing at all to do with drinking water 'sanitation' From NHS below :- You can get Legionnaires' disease if you breathe in tiny droplets of water containing bacteria that cause the infection. It's usually caught in places like hotels, hospitals or offices where the bacteria have got into the water supply. It's less common to catch it at home. You cannot usually get it from: drinking water that contains the bacteria other people with the infection places like ponds, lakes and rivers
@terryrigden4860
@terryrigden4860 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting. Our heat pump was commissioned on the 18th so it had to work hard from day one with a COP of 3.8. It wasn't too expensive it used 27Kwh to keep us at 20C and cost us £4. Since then I've tweaked the settings and improved the COP but of course it's been warmer so I don't really know how much better. Our cheapest day so farwas the 25th at 48p but we had a lot of power from our solar panels , I'm hoping to heat for free soon.
@lharris828
@lharris828 5 ай бұрын
How do I find the COP? I asked the supplier and they merely quoted the spec!!
@Cruner62
@Cruner62 4 ай бұрын
Hi Terry, There is a lot of distortion going on that is being glossed over. Heat pumps quite simply will only work well when the outside temp is above freezing. As an engineer I have worked on air conditioning systems and have many reservations on this push away from Gas. Most current systems will use water heaters to maintain the temperature thus defeating the objective of the COP rational. With ground sourced systems the current draw for the pumps is so high that permission is required to install one like Mr Sunak needed for his new pool - it needed a new transformer to supply his otherwise other users would see lights dimming when switched on. Imagine a whole street of heat pumps or even a town consuming that amount of energy and the infrastructure will collapse and even the charging of eVs on top of that. Bonkers.
@_Dougaldog
@_Dougaldog 4 ай бұрын
@@Cruner62 As an engineer then you will be aware that permission is needed from DNO prior to connecting any heat pump installation, to account for load. No need for you to have reservations as heat pumps do work well below zero without any need for additional heat sources other than maybe a wee boost for a legionella cycle (to 60C) for one hour per week. Most are rated to --15C external air temperature, some down to -25. Temperatures that 99.9% of UK population will never see.
@jeffreyrusson4795
@jeffreyrusson4795 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Tom, most interesting. I thought you might like to hear my experience over the same 5 days just down the road in York. I keep my house considerably cooler than you (15 during the day and 13 overnight). I used 75 kWh total in the house (heat pump by far the biggest consumer) and on the Agile tariff it cost me £12.13 (exc. standing charge and VAT). To my regret I haven't been monitoring the COP but intend to do so. I only recently installed the ASHP (Ecodan) so have been very cautious with temp settings. Now I intend to start easing it up a little and maybe remove a layer or two of clothing!
@milesbuckhurst504
@milesbuckhurst504 5 ай бұрын
Interesting analysis. Our air to water heat pump is now 20years old and still gives good efficiency - even at -22degC (I live in Norway), but I think we are almost at a CoP of just over 1 at that low temp. Heat pumps have definitely improved the last years and we like a warmer house than you 😂. All I can say is the uk climate is mild and is absolutely perfect for heat pumps.
@david14exe
@david14exe 5 ай бұрын
The houses in uk are really old and not well insulated, therefore the efficiency of the heat pump is not noticeable. The houses will loose a lot of heat through walls, ceiling etc. I believe the uk is not ready yet for the air pumps
@milesbuckhurst504
@milesbuckhurst504 5 ай бұрын
Heat pumps designed correctly can absolutely cope. As good as any other. I have also drafts and not excellent insulation and much harsher climate. And we have no issues. Remember heat pumps are just a means to heat nothing more. Same rules apply to all heating methods.
@Cruner62
@Cruner62 4 ай бұрын
Very misleading - they have increased the cost of 1 by 4 fold from what is was with gas powered generation, when the temperature drops is when you need it most. 19 degrees is not a comfortable temperature to live in and many elderly will die or suffer from arthritis etc. Oh but of course as long as it is the elites old folk that's ok then. Here in the UK we were encouraged to save in a pension for our retirement but then that gets wiped out with high energy costs etc and those that did not fall into that trap get made out for with grants and help - a perfect ponzi scheme.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi all thanks for the comment and replies, Miles, it is great to hear your case study. In reply to @cruner61 - unsure what you mean by '1 by 4 fold'. 19° is what we are comfortable, at, I agree others need higher temperatures, some are happy at cooler temperatures. The heat pump can heat above 19 if needed! A heat pump is likely to be cheaper to give you comfortable temperatures than a gas boiler. I am unsure why it would be a ponzi scheme! Tom
@metalhead2550
@metalhead2550 5 ай бұрын
Hey Tom, great videos keep up the good work! I have a question, what's the rough heat loss of your property so I can compare roughly to mine? :)
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hello! Sorry it has taken a while to pick up your comment - rough heat loss is just over 5 kW, how about you?
@derekpaisley620
@derekpaisley620 5 ай бұрын
Love the data against temperature, do a comparison to the data sheet of the 5kw unit, see if you are close. The opentherm site with quite a few heat pumos on is very interesting cops of 2.6 at -3. Keep it up useful information
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Derek, that is a helpful tip to compare against the datasheet and potentially makes a great video in the future...! The data sheet suggests the 5kW unit at -5 should be achieving COPs of 3.06-4.48. Which is quite a bit higher than what I see. professional.vaillant.co.uk/downloads/aproducts/renewables-1/arotherm-plus/arotherm-plus-spec-sheet-1892564.pdf Makes you think why that would be, maybe my system is cycling a bit, maybe defrost is performing poorly.... difficult to think through! What do you reckon?
@chris-non-voter
@chris-non-voter 5 ай бұрын
Good video. I have an 3.5kW ASHP in my 2 bed flat, it cost me £2,000 fitted, it heats the whole flat to 20 - 21°C. From 7am to 11pm, it is off at night. I'm all electric (so no gas) and my average daily usage is 10 to 12kWh at -2°C less when it is above freezing outside during the winter months. My total annual usage is about 2700kWh. I would like a battery but I don't think in my situation I would save very much money. I'm on a fixed day rate with no economy 7. Compared to the underfloor heating I used to use I'm saving nearly £1,000 per year. A bad - cold month will cost me about £90 not including the daily charge. I'm lovely and warm all day, I dry my clothes indoors with zero condensation. Trickle vents on all windows are open, it also collects dust for me, I clean the filters every month - it takes a few minutes. In the right setting these ASHPs are a no brainer.
@Fast1Guy
@Fast1Guy 5 ай бұрын
Our heat pumps still keeping house warm (21c) at -27c A efficiency of 1.6. Still better than restive electric heat. Senville (Midea) heat pumps.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Wow that is so cold and fantastic to hear! Are you in Canada? Hello from across the Atlantic
@Fast1Guy
@Fast1Guy 4 ай бұрын
Yes, Canada. Pleased with the heat pumps capability in colder weather. Natural gas is not available in my area so propane, oil, wood and electricity are my options for heating. The temperature extremes in my area are -40c in winter and +40c in summer so a heat pump gives me both heating and cooling. Lots of negative press (fossil fuel industry?) on heat pumps out there.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
That is really interesting thank you@@Fast1Guy !
@moonraker2010
@moonraker2010 5 ай бұрын
Great video. Our Samsung HTQ Mono was working hard too and looking at the electricity use on a daily basis was a bit scary but were warm and not burning oil (we are off the gas grid). We are on Octopus Cosy and I am beginning to wish I had been braver and gone with Agile.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Moonraker, pleased to hear you were warm and possibly savings that week having moved from oil! Definitely emissions savings! I think Octopus let you change tariff fairly regularly, so could be worth trying agile for a month and seeing how you get on. this time last year, it was very costly, but the last two months have averaged 17.34p per kWh... so I think we are saving quite a bit! Thanks for engaging with the video, sorry it took me a while to come back to you Tom
@asabriggs6426
@asabriggs6426 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the update; good to hear you're still happy with the system. Have you considered getting an Open Energy Monitor heat pump monitor? It provides finer-grained monitoring and more accurate temperature and flow measurements ... perfect for data-geeks. Also echoing other comments it would be great to know what the flow/return temperatures are, and whether there are particular rooms which the radiators struggle to warm and other rooms which are too warm (i.e. can radiator replacements or balancing lower the flow temperature).
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hello asa - sorry it has taken me a while to come back! I have considered open energy monitor, it would be great to have that detail... but I haven't yet.... I would love to know that extra detail of flow and return temperatures, I have a heat meter, which may be able to tell me... although not quite worked it out yet... wish I knew more about software / hardware interfaces as I think there could be a load of detail in my system already. Our hallway is always cold (my wife calls it the arctic tundra...!) but that is because of a large front door, a large external wall (despite being in a terrace) and a radiator cover....! I have and am considering setting up some fans or buying a product like a speedcomfort fan to 'increase' the emitter size... one day! We are pretty happy as we are, but lots that could change I suspect! Tom
@asabriggs6426
@asabriggs6426 4 ай бұрын
​@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Hi Tom, Not sure I can help you much with heat meter knowledge; my experience of one heat pump system (that should have attracted RHI income) it may be that the heat meter is set up for coarse-grained monitoring (i.e. once a quarter the total heat delivered is checked). Around my area people like to retain their characterful but gappy wooden doors so turn to door curtains (on curved rails so they get out of the way during the day). Fabric first ... Having said that, a radiator fan (e.g. google for "DIY Fanned Radiator") might increase the power and get the heat outside of its cover. It may also allow for a slightly lower peak flow temperature, improving the heat pump SCOP. The best of luck with your upgrades! Asa
@user-zp1kv2xt5t
@user-zp1kv2xt5t 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for the information. I live in a rural location in 150 years old house. However, very interesting to hear that these pumps can actually achieve decent temperatures, admittedly only with a hermetically sealed house with zero fresh air flow, but I have previously been led to believe that the best you could have was 15 degrees C, even with modern excellent insulation. So thank you for exploding one myth 😅. We are switching to Solar and wind with batteries and planning on an electric Aga plus wood burning stoves. The wood is free but disappointed with the current propaganda that if you have a wood burning stove ergo you are a bad person! However, we enjoy all the other positive aspects of burning wood. We currently paying 31p per unit for electricity (£150+/month) and around £1500 per annum on kerosene. So, looking forward to becoming more independent from the Grid.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for engaging with the video. I am pleased the video can be of some help. Our house is very much not hermetically sealed! Our ground floor has original ventilated wood floor that can be quite draughty. Yes burning wood is very pleasant but does come with risks of poor air quality. Are you installing solar panels and a wind turbine? That is fun to hear!
@dadbain
@dadbain 4 ай бұрын
You're right about one thing living in northwestern Canada, those temperatures would be considered balmy and your heat pump a joke in the winter. My idea of air-conditioning in the warmest of summer days is a T-shirt and shorts with an electric fan to circulate the air with open windows if no regional fires are outputting smoke. The coldest day sofar this winter was -40°C without the windchill. Today's high of +7°C and the last few days readings highs above 0°C make feel like a lovely spring day, we're just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Daryl, I’m not in north west Canada so everything seems to be working fine. Our heat pump is heating only as serves a radiator circuit rather than cooling or air conditioning. Thanks for commenting
@dadbain
@dadbain 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle You're welcome Tom. The only reason I mentioned AC is that many people promote heat pumps as a year round replacement for heating as well as cooling. But I get your drift. Though the abundance of natural gas in Canada particularly Alberta, makes forced air furnaces the prevalent heating mode.
@rinsed1001
@rinsed1001 5 ай бұрын
I switched from an oil boiler to air source and solar panels. 1950s house and average insulation in a rural part of the UK with no gas supply. The previous year I spent £90 a month on electricity and £1,500 on oil. With the pump and panels my electricity bill is now averaged out at £130 a month, a saving of £1,140 for the year. House is now set to 20 degrees 24/7 on a low weather compensation curve. Not sure if it's worth the switch over gas, but it is worth it over oil in my personal experience.
@KarameloKoala
@KarameloKoala 3 ай бұрын
Nice video. Any recommendations on what brands are solid for heat pumps?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 3 ай бұрын
Hi KarmeloKoala - good question and my experience is fairly limited to Vaillant, who appear pretty good, also seen Mitsubishi, Lg, Grant and Daikin systems that seem ok but I haven’t done any detailed analysis. A new brand based near me is Ebac who seem to have good efficiencies. I think there won’t be much difference between different heat pump manufacturers, but the installation is key so a system may perform differently if installed by different people. Thanks for commenting Tom
@brianfogarty7703
@brianfogarty7703 5 ай бұрын
Hi Tom, Got a 300m2 house in Warsaw, NIBE Heat pump supplying an underfloor heating and hot water. We have had a cold two 4 week spells of -10C weather . I optimise the heat pump to operate for underfloor heating during the warmest part of the day, ideally from 10am to 5pm. How water function would be am and pm and the average cost is approx €300/month.
@normanboyes4983
@normanboyes4983 5 ай бұрын
Tom, very good presentation. Not sure if you have covered this before so apologies. What was your calculated heat loss prior to installation of the ASHP, what size (capacity) is your heat pump - and during the period of this covered what was the heat loss at designed outside temperature (DOT). This a long way round to saying I am interested in how accurate your heat loss calculation was.😉?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Norman, sorry it has taken me a while to come back to you on this! The heat loss calculation when we had the heat pump installed suggested it was just over 5 kW, and we have a 5 kW vaillant arotherm plus. And, good question on accuracy! I think the DOT was -2°C. We had a day that averaged that on the 17th, and heat loss was a total of 122 kWh, 122 kWh / 24 hours = heat loss of 5.08 kW... which is pretty much exactly what was calculated.... I am amazed by that!!! There is a bit I could do to reduce that heat loss, which will help in the future! Thanks for the comment, one of the more interesting ones to respond to!
@normanboyes4983
@normanboyes4983 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Thanks for the reply. That is an excellent outcome and probably an outlier in the ‘field’. I ask this question a lot and the error margin and rate is a concern and likely the catalyst for the emergence of measured heat loss services.
@mmbb3416
@mmbb3416 5 ай бұрын
We just keep our hall thermostat at 19 degrees 24 hours and regulate individual rooms with radiator thermostats (with the gas boiler we used to reduce to 17 degrees at night) . We have also set the central heating pump to its lowest speed and let the heatpump regulate flow temperature via its AI setting - hotter in cold weather, cooler in warmer weather. On Cozy Octopus , and this winter also coupled with a battery , our energy bills are very low, despite the high usage on the coldest days. But even without the battery last winter, our bills weren't any higher than neighbours in same houses with gas. And there are no cold spots in the house, and absolutely no condensation on any windows now, resulting in a much more pleasant indoor climate. Halfway through our second heatpump winter, I would never go back to a gas boiler.
@Cruner62
@Cruner62 4 ай бұрын
Good luck with that then. When you consider the cost of electricity for other items like washing, etc to fund the crazy wind turbines and solar panels that do not work when there is little sun you are blinded by the science rather than common sense. The energy cost of your COP measure has been elevated to look like your COP is working well - rubbish. The Norwegian pipe line was built to produce and deliver very low cost gas to the UK for 100 or more years and produce less pollution than burning imported wood pellets for electricity - it's a con.
@Tom-Lahaye
@Tom-Lahaye 4 ай бұрын
This is a really interesting analysis of a real situation. I live in the Netherlands and the coldest 24 hour period was on the 10th of January with a -5.5°C average and -9,1°C low. I heat with split AC units, the house is detached and 210m² so it's quite large. I still managed a total electricity use of 38,6 kWh, that's including all electricity use. Average on a summer day is 5-6kWh, so around 33kWh went into heating. Also the wood stove was on for about 5 hours and consumed around 8kg of wood during that time, which is an additional 38kWh of heat. That would be around 15kWh of electricity at COP 2,5, the total would have been 48kWh of electricity, which is I think not bad. It shows that the external wall insulation is quite effective. Gas usage in the past before insulation and new windows was around 40.000 kWh a year! It turned out that the lowest efficiency was rather on a couple of days around 0°C but with a very high humidity, which made my external units defrost almost every hour, one time failed and I had to turn the AC to cooling for about 15 minutes to get a successful defrost. When it got colder and humidity lower they worked better again.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Tom, thanks for engaging with the video and for sharing your data, really interesting to hear about the effect of humidity on the heat pump. I have not experienced that yet, maybe our cold days have also been quite dry. 40,000 kWh of gas is huge! Pleased to hear that insulation and new windows have helped, as well as moving to a heat pump. Our system is a heat only heat pump, serving a radiator circuit, so we would not be able to cool in the way you describe, but I imagine that can be helpful in the summer?! Thanks Tom
@Tom-Lahaye
@Tom-Lahaye 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle The cooling ability is helpful on some summer days. It can get quite a bit hotter here than it would do in county Durham, 30-35°C is something not very rare here and we touched 40°C a couple of years ago. The insulation helps a lot when a hot spell is only a couple of days, but when it stays hot for a week or more and night temperatures do not go below 20°C at night only opening windows during night isn't sufficient anymore too cool the house down and the building mass will start to heat up and uncomfortable temperatures of more than 25°C indoors will be experienced, which makes sleeping especially difficult. Then the AC is a bless. Yearly use for cooling is much less than for heating, on average it's used for cooling for around a fortnight or three weeks a year, without good insulation and sun blinds this would be a lot more of course.
@andygoodey912
@andygoodey912 5 ай бұрын
Very good, your average works out at approx 2.2kw/HR. Imagine an installer like me giving you a 2kw fan heater and telling you to heat your whole house and water, you'd call me mad and send me on my way. Love putting these heat pumps into context for customers 😅
@DClarke1954
@DClarke1954 4 ай бұрын
I have been "courted" by the Octopus Energy heat pump team but I just cannot see it ever costing in. My energy costs in the Winter are a combined £20/day, we are fully double glazed and insulated but it's a big old solid brick house. If I went for heat pump it would be even more expensive because of the price differential between Gas and Electricity, despite heat-pump efficiency. But I am pleased for you if it is working in your case. 😀
@scottcompany4040
@scottcompany4040 5 ай бұрын
We had a run of about 8 days where night time temperatures of minus 7 or 8 centigrade. Daytime temps were around 3 or 4 degrees centigrade. Our Vaillant 5kW heat pump coped without a hitch and kept our house toasty warm. Room temperatures never fell below the set temperatures. Downstairs we set every room to 21 degrees. Upstairs the bedroom is on 19 degrees (because we like it a bit cooler) but the bathrooms are set to 23 degrees. Never had a problem at any time. We have underfloor heating up and down stairs and we run it 24/7. Bill for the week on Octopus Go was just over £43 for the seven days COP was just under 2,9 We do have a very well insulated house.
@ianpyeiseboe
@ianpyeiseboe 4 ай бұрын
Great video. Get yourself one of the vaillant smart adapters so you can control it with an app. I have the sensoNET which logs all the energy usage/output from the heat pump and displays the data in the app
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Ian, yes I actually spoke to one of the Vaillant staff about this, they said it was 'a sin' that the gateway wasn't installed as part of the original installation. I haven't got round to adding it yet, and may cost a couple of hundred £... but it would be good!!
@ianpyeiseboe
@ianpyeiseboe 4 ай бұрын
It would save you a lot of time and messing about… although I do check the app almost hourly, so maybe not that much of a time saver 😂
@aprobin1
@aprobin1 4 ай бұрын
Thank you very much Tom. All very interesting stuff. Apologies if you’ve covered this in previous videos but could I ask a couple of questions: 1. Are you maintaining a fixed set temperature 24/7, or using a programmable thermostat to vary the temperature at different times of the day and night? 2. What’s the max heat output from your heat pump? I appreciate it will vary slightly depending on outside temperature but what’s the manufacturer’s rating?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Aprobin1 - thanks for engaging with the video, happy to answer! 1. Good question, and something I have changed over the last couple of years, I used to have quite a steep set back at night, so heat to 19°C during the day and 15°C overnight. In reality, the house didn't get down to 15 overnight, and took ages to get back to 19 during the day. So I have reduced and reduced the set back so that the temperature stays more constant... and finally, we just run the heat pump 24-7 at 19°C, and pushed the weather compensation curve down as low as possible to maximise efficiency. My wife works from home most of the time so heating the house is appropriate. Set backs are fine, it just takes some tinkering to get the temperature right I think. 2. The manufacturer rating is 5 kW, our heat loss was just over 5 kW but it seems sized appropriately... we are in a 120m2, 1870s 3 bed terrace, with double glazing, loft insulation and a modern extension. I have seen a lot of bigger heat pumps, so ours is a good example of not 'oversizing' a heat pump. Hope that is helpful! Tom
@adamcole4808
@adamcole4808 4 ай бұрын
Nice video Tom. One thing I would look at is the average air temperature around you heat pump when its working this hard. Its quite closed in and maybe when its working hard you get a "cold well" effect around it. Possible future works would be to improve ventilation around the HP to allow the cold air to escape rather that sit in the well.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Adam, it is a fair point, although the unit is installed to manufacturers guidelines (except for the service / access space to the right of the unit, that is a bit close). If we tracked the air movement, I _think_ that cool air from the front of the unit would be fully mixed with air around the unit before it is drawn back into the heat exchanger. If there was a wall in front of the unit I may be more concerned. I have thought about taking the odd brick out of the wall to assist air movement, but I feel it would make only a very small impact. It could be interesting to measure how temperature varies at different locations... maybe a video in that one! Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@user-qh1my5gn7q
@user-qh1my5gn7q 5 ай бұрын
We have had a heat pump and solar panels for about 12 months and our electricity usage was 1500kwh more per year than the previous year.So the heat pump/solar cost about £500 more in electric but saved about 2 tanks of heating oil @ about £1000.
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 5 ай бұрын
One of the best cases for heat pumps is a house like this.
@david14exe
@david14exe 5 ай бұрын
In your house is only 18.5 which is quite cold. I would keep the rooms temperature at least 20.5 degrees.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
We are happy at 18.5-19°C, we could have the temperature higher but I would be in shorts and tshirt at 20.5!
@david14exe
@david14exe 5 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle wow! I feel cold at 20.5 😅
@southwestsellers5475
@southwestsellers5475 5 ай бұрын
Not as cold during the daytime in that same week two nights of -6. Cannot break down what the heat pump used our highest usage for 24 hours on 17/01/24 for the whole house was 41.5Kwh. We do have 20Kwhs of batteries charged at 7.5p overnight on Octopus Go and used 9Kwhs of peak rate electricity and had some solar generation. Estimated total for the day £5.40.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
That sounds like a great set up!
@DonalMcLoughlin-dz2im
@DonalMcLoughlin-dz2im 5 ай бұрын
Great stats on usage, can I ask what was original heat loss calculations on your home and kw heat pump size if you don't mind thanks Donal
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing 5 ай бұрын
kzfaq.info/get/bejne/kL5-ithysJ6bg3k.htmlsi=qcZMa2eSAUCJSrfA He explains here in the original video, he has a 5kw unit.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Lewis, exactly right! Our heat loss was measured at just over 5 kW, and the vailant 5 kW unit can cope with that well. I am sure there is a lot we could improve about the installation but I am happy!
@_Dougaldog
@_Dougaldog 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for posting this Tom, can I ask what your flow temperature sits at, presumably it modulates up and down a bit with demand & flow rate ? I have an installation starting hopefully in a couple of weeks, system designed around 45C flow @ -3.5C (NE Scotland coastal).
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Dougal, thanks so much for your replies to a number of comments on here, talking sense to a lot of people before I have managed to! We have it set at a weather compensation curve of 0.65, you can see the curve on this page energy-stats.uk/vaillant-arotherm-weather-curve-information/, and that will equate to about 40° flow temperature at 0° external temperature, maybe a bit lower than yours. So yes it modulates up and down but based on external temperature rather than demand. I have it as low as I can get away with! But on windy days the house may lose some temperature more quickly than it can be replaced, so I do tinker with the curve settings! One thing I would recommend after your installation would be to try and push the weather compensation curve down as low as possible, this will really help ensure efficiency. But the wider system design will have an impact too. Hope the installation goes well, would be thrilled to hear about it when it is done. What kind of heat pump are you installing? How did you find the installer? Thanks for engaging with the video!! Tom
@_Dougaldog
@_Dougaldog 5 ай бұрын
​@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Thanks for the feedback Tom, will keep yourself and others updated when installation completed. Your instal video and others prompted me to investigate heat pumps. The system chosen by Scottish Gas, and passes my approval :-) is a Daikin 6kW Altherma (5.2kW calculated losses) with Mixergy unvented 150l cylinder for roughly 70m^2 property (potential for future Solar PV and or battery). 40 year old radiators and microbore, cylinder vented system, and broken 20 year old condensing gas boiler with all sundries getting totally recovered, and replaced with 22mm copper flow/return to new correctly sized radiators with 15/22mm tees. I am hoping for good performance from system, with heat pump sitting in well vented Sun-trap corner. Working with Home Energy Scotland (who issue the grants for heat pumps, and all things relating to energy efficiency, and gave a guide price and offer without initial ECP required) Price for me worked well at under £4k for a complete rip out and replacement (after £7.5k grant), with 5 year Daikin Warranty adopted by SG, and Mixergy 25 year Warranty on cylinder (3 year on electronics and other bits), they (SG) will still be around to service any warranty claim. They guarantee price & MCS design temperatures (or money back, might be interesting :-) ). They cover servicing for two years (I know, but required for warranties). Lad who did free survey was knowledgeable, or at least as much as I was four months ago, and spent a good 2-3 hours measuring and discussing. Nothing paid up front, and apparently they will not be beaten on price (price match?). What's not to like 🙂
@71brp84
@71brp84 5 ай бұрын
Interesting video with lots of useful information and glad to hear you were nice and warm, apart from the back door mishap.😅 I think it's a bit unfair to compare costs of a smart electric tariff against a standard gas tariff though. For transparency, you should compare against a gas tracker, which is (has been) significantly cheaper then the price cap.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment, it is a fair point to make, I haven't engaged much with the gas tracker rate as it came available after I had a heat pump, but it is a very fair point to make! I will try to include points on that in future videos to compare more clearly. An oversight from me, sorry! Thanks Tom
@evanleebodies
@evanleebodies 5 ай бұрын
And I thought our elec consumption has high at 38 kWh on the coldest day in January where the COP dropped to 2.8. Daikin 7kW, space heating only.
@MikeGleesonazelectrics
@MikeGleesonazelectrics 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing this, i have found similar results altho in devon not as cold but still minus for several days. So far my heating COP hasnt dropped below 3. When you consider these sort of temp days are minimal, maybe 15? then for the othet 350 days of the year youll be quids in..
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
You're spot on Mike, a lot of the things people say about heat pumps revolve around them not working in cold weather, but they do work, and even though may be expensive, over the whole year, I think you are right... quids in! Thanks for your comments!
@marcusd2380
@marcusd2380 5 ай бұрын
Hi man ur data good but I think u need to consider sun as you get solar gain and u also need to consider wind. Wind kills the heat in the house. If u consider these things you can get more accurate data. If found wind was chilling our house as we had down lighters that were draft so we replaced then and we now notice drafts come down conduit to switch’s in our walls. We need to seal them next. I.e. tape up the top of the conduit in the roof space. Great video thank you for posting
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Marcus, you make some really helpful points, there wasnt much solar gain that week for us in Durham, but I noticed the wind around our back door. I think there is quite a bit we could do to reduce draughts there. I wonder whether that variability of the weather contributes to the variability of my readings. Thanks for engaging with the video! Tom
@marcusd2380
@marcusd2380 5 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Tom the wind has a massive impact. My house was built around 2010 so pretty well insulated but not good enough. The wind blows through the loft for condensation by design but it sucks all the heat out of the loft insulation. Will so much air pressure in there it moves down the conduct and leaks past electrical fittings. That little hire line gap between ur window frames and the walls. Air gets past there too. I can see that with a thermal imagining camera it’s mad. Small bead of frame sealant sorts it. Rain kills the solar gain so much it’s hard to believe. And yes in Northern Ireland we have a lot of rain and wind.
@MatthewEng2593
@MatthewEng2593 5 ай бұрын
Does your hot water cylinder have an immersion heater? To use with a solar diverter
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Matthew, yes it does have an immersion heater, and yes could be used with a solar diverter. I do sometimes challenge that idea though, you could use solar to power a heat pump and get 3x the amount of energy out, and then export the excess to your neighbours, rather than use an immersion heater to boost a tank. But I suspect we are talking small amounts of energy here... to lift our whole tank from 10 to 48°C (that we keep it at) is only 6.5 kWh, and any extra is a bonus... Hope that is a helpful response?! Tom
@jezlawrence720
@jezlawrence720 4 ай бұрын
Hmm. This is about what i expected, but the sheer volume of power - thinking about everyone having one of these plus an electric vehicle over a week of cold snap. Less crucial if all the vehicles have v2h and a home battery, so it offsets some or all of the grid draw but until they are cheap enough to be in place in very large numbers, 3kw per hour to every house for 18hrs is a LOT to deliver over a whole town. Over the rest of the year itll be totally manageable. But those deep winter weeks... Hmm. Still: in terms of proving a heat pump works at cold temps and keeps you warm, job pretty well done. My house uses 80kwh/day at -3, running at 60c, and i will get a slightly worse cop than you as a result, which probqbly means a similar kwh consumption. So thats been helpful on a personal level thanks!
@davidstewart1153
@davidstewart1153 5 ай бұрын
I'm in Colorado and in our cold snap, it dropped as low as -23C. We have a new 14 kW ASHP in a 20 year old house. We set it at 21C in the day and 19C at night. Over 5 days, it used 521.5 kWh, about $78, just heat, no hot water. Gas would have been maybe $90. I don't have any COP data but specs say the minimum is 1.9 and it had to be close to that. I know we could probably survive with the house at 19C but I don't want to find out.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Very cold! Hello from a long way away! I have a friend in Arvada Denver. It is brill that the video has been seen by people all around the world because I have never seen a heat pump that can operate that low down. It is great to hear! Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@chriss4949
@chriss4949 5 ай бұрын
Tom. Great vid. Is your house large or leaky (or both). Trying to understand why you need 100+kw of heat in a single day to keep it at just 19C?
@HutchinsonJC
@HutchinsonJC 5 ай бұрын
It has to be rather large or leaky or both (or heated garage?) because I was thinking the same thing. I can use 100kw of heat (not heat pump, but still electric heat) in a single day in some of the coldest parts of the year BUT I'm in Montana where we regularly see -30F (-34.4C) and regularly see 15+ mph winds. Which is a lot colder than -3C (26.6F) or -5C (23F) on some of the days from this video. Thankfully where I am though, heat is metered more cheaply (almost half rate), and for context this means running two meters, making it really easy for me to isolate my heat needs from everything else.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi both - apologies it has taken me a while to get to this comment! House is a 3 bedroom, victorian (1870s) terrace, 120 sq meters, a fairly average Uk home I think. Before we had a heat pump we used about 12000 kWh of natural gas a year. 100 kWh of heat per day is a lot, and only during the cold snap, average since then, so last 2 weeks ish, has been 64 kWh per day, average over winter (since start of november) about 70 kWh per day.... But yes, we can definitely reduce heat loss in this house, we could insulate under the ventilated wood floors, we could insulate external walls, plenty we could do! Thansk Tom
@alexbraun8529
@alexbraun8529 5 ай бұрын
Hey Tom. Do you use or have you considered the Homely programmer? It's been featured on Heat Geek. Works alongside smart tariffs like Agile. Curious to know how it performs.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Alex, I haven't am afraid, I just use the standard vaillant controls, and the dumb version of them (could have app control if I upgraded). The heat pump company, Ebac, who I visited in this video - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/rq6UZtmAxN7FgI0.html are linked to Homely, so I understand the heat pump comes with their controls as standard. That is about as close as I have come to Homely! Maybe controls are something I should look into for our system Tom
@Umski
@Umski 5 ай бұрын
Useful to know that the COP at those sort of temperatures is nowhere close to the usual assumptions of 3-4 which skews things a little but at the same time is offset by higher COPs when the outside temp rises - I’m starting to see it like MPG where it can be high on longer journeys i.e. proportionally more days when the COP is high versus short journeys with poor MPG or COP on the few days of the year when you’re ending up with less efficiency - overall it will balance out with COP vs heat delivered 🤔
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 5 ай бұрын
The lowest I have seen the COP of my GSHP is 2.9. In normal winter weather it is between 3.5 and 4. No defrost heating needed.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Thanks Umski and Roger, yes this week gave me the lowest COP I have recorded, but averaged over the year it around 3.4, so not the best performing system, but my assumption was always 3, so 10-15% better is great. Great to hear about a GSHP performing so well. We don't have the space for a slinky system outside, I guess we maybe could have had a bored system, but would have been a big project for us! Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@madobox
@madobox 4 ай бұрын
I was curious about the usage of heatpumps in winter time. Compared to 10£ on jan 15th i paid 2.6£ for gas in 3 bedroom house temperature sitting at 24°C. At least i know i will stay with gas.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Zsolt - difficult to compare two homes in different parts of the country but using that little gas means your house is pretty well insulated and would be perfectly suited for a very efficient heat pump. And therefore likely to reduce costs for you… you’re likely to need to change at some point so good idea to make a plan
@PWALPOCO
@PWALPOCO 4 ай бұрын
Yeah, its one of those double whammies with heat pumps. Their job is to heat your home, a task which becomes harder and more expensive the colder it gets. My house is quite large (Madrid, Spain) and we have a pair of Hitachi Yutaki's to take care of it. During a winter storm in 2021 (Filomena) we were going through 100kWh a day, the worst day being about 110kWh when overnight temperatures dropped to about minus 10C. Fortunately the exterior units kept themselves ice free really well BUT you have to remember that those de-icing cycles mean your heat pump is not heating your home in those moments. An important investement is good insulation and glazing - something that is essential if you are to keep the subtle and slow delivered heat from your heat pump inside your home!
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for engaging with the video! Yes insulation is important but the question is _how much_? I think it often people say we can’t install heat pumps until we have insulated a huge amount but maybe upgrading glazing, and loft insulation is enough… any more, is still great and just helps with energy conservation rather than being essential. I did a video about defrost for our system ‘Heat pump defrost cycle - what happens? I thought our heat pump had blown up!’ kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oNCcZ6aiv63Rf3k.html Took me by surprise the first time i spotted it! Tom
@PWALPOCO
@PWALPOCO 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Thanks for the link to the defrost cycle on your system - yes ours is as dramatic with clouds of fog billowing past our windows every now and then. With insulation, I guess it's a case of where you are and where you want to get to. The point will always be that with heat pumps your home is slower to react to the heat delivered by them (because of lower flow temperatures) and whatever you can do to slow your losses will improve that response time.
@danfixsen1871
@danfixsen1871 4 ай бұрын
Now try it in really cold weather. I’m in the US, and your temps are downright balmy compared with my area . I’d like to see how it would work when the outside temperature is at -20F for a high and -35F for a low with the high for the week never above -12F. They might be the cats meow for efficiency in your area but would fail miserably in mine. At least my opinion. My grandparents had a heat pump and at its best when the temperature was below 25F it would keep the house from freezing but not much more, it was an old unit and the new ones are supposed to be better. But I’m skeptical
@mmbb3416
@mmbb3416 4 ай бұрын
Hm... they are popular in Finland ... which gets very cold.
@DavidCulverhouse01380
@DavidCulverhouse01380 4 ай бұрын
Excellent video ! It would help to know a bit more about your house plus number of occupants, etc, so making a comparison with our own houses. Predictably, the high power consumption associated with frosty weather makes a battery system on a nighttime tariff easier to justify ? So payback will be quicker … I’m seriously thinking of batteries to power my heat-pump & all appliances. Any thoughts ? DavidC
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi David, thanks for engaging with the video. House is 3 bed, Victorian terrace, with double glazing, loft insulation and a small modern extension. 2 of us living in it, wife works from home most of the time so we heat most of the time. We keep the house _coolish_ at around 19°C. Yes, using energy storage to shift our peaks is definitely a wise thing to do. We make sure we don't heat our hot water during peak electricity costs. We are on octopus agile so basically try to avoid 4-7pm. I did do a video about battery storage and a heat pump in 2022 - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fM5pnZCcrKqrpKM.html. There is a case, to some extent, on installing batteries to help reduce costs, although the amount of electricity we use with a heat pump would require a large battery to make the most of it... There was definitely some challenge on my assumptions, and others disagree. But I definitely get the idea of charging at low cost, and using during high cost periods... What do you think? Thanks Tom
@DavidCulverhouse01380
@DavidCulverhouse01380 4 ай бұрын
Hi Tom, did you realise the 0% VAT change CAMRA in today and 20% saving is good for reducing payback time ! Battery costs are falling too. For me at 84 is it worth it (?) before I peg out, but I’m fairly sure it will make my house more valuable ! However I’ve just found out that you can’t take it with you when you go 🤭
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
@@DavidCulverhouse01380 that is very fair enough! I agree, low carbon tech likely to add value to a house, so it makes a lot of sense!
@tonymac7706
@tonymac7706 5 ай бұрын
What size heat pump do you have, mine is 8kw, i find on cold weather it constantly switches to short cycle when the heating is off, is this something that your heat pump does?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Tony, ours is 5 kW, I have not noticed that our heat pump cycles in cold weather. But I have turned the weather compensation down quite low, which I think will reduce cycling. Does that make sense? Thanks Tom
@joewentworth7856
@joewentworth7856 5 ай бұрын
As the cold days are rare but disproportionately expensive . What's your thoughts on popping on your Christmas jumper and turn the target down to 17? I suspect consumption would be significantly less. Not the way you want to live all the time but for a few days a year?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Joe, absolutely yes, and that is probably what I do a lot of the time, particularly when my wife is away for work. She feels the cold a bit more than me so although I could say 'put another layer on' it is better for all of us to try and keep the house warmer!! Last year during a cold snap, Esther was away for the whole time, so I kept the house cool and then changed settings when she got back. A lot of comments on here are saying that 19 isn't warm enough, so maybe I am keeping it cool-ish already! Thanks for the comment, hope you are well Tom
@joewentworth7856
@joewentworth7856 5 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle I find a consistent19 is a different beast to the temp swinging about as it did with our porrily setup combi. Perception of temprature is a really interesting subject. Drafts can also make a 20 degree room feel freezing.
@demoxpert6903
@demoxpert6903 5 ай бұрын
Hello Tom, could you please supply some details to put your video into context with what your heat pump can and cannot do? 1/ is your heatpump classified as a cold climate heatpump (able to operate down to -30c)? 2/ did you do a heat loss calculation on your home to determine the btu or kwhr required by the home at a range of temperatures- particularly in the range of +15 to -15c? 3/ is your heatpump an air to air or air to water? (Because you’re comparing operating costs to your boiler)? 4/ was your heatpump sized for the heating load or the cooling load of your house? 5/ what is the kw output rating of your boiler? Is the boiler configured for outdoor reset? What is the turndown ratio of the boiler? Based on this video, on Monday the outdoor temperature had dropped to -3c overnight resulting in an indoor temperature of 18c with a setpoint of 19c. As an HVAC specialist, this indicates to me that the heatpump was sized for the cooling load and therefore extremely undersized for the heating load, but I await your response to my questions.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi demoxpert, thanks for your questions, I will do my best to answer. 1) no I don't believe so. Manufacturer datasheet suggests it could work down to -25°C. Where I live (North East England) the lowest temperatures we tend to see are -6/-7°C. 2) yes we did a heat loss calculation of my home and the heat pump was sized to heat to 21°C at -5°C external air temperature. 3) our heat pump is air to water, and it serves a radiator circuit as is common in the UK 4) the heat pump was sized for the heating load, it cannot cool using the radiator circuit (unless we want pools of condensation at each radiator) 5) I don't have a boiler anymore, I replaced it with a heat pump. We used to have a combination boiler that heated through the same radiator circuit but also provided hot water on demand, this was approximately 30 kW, however we removed this in June 2021. The drop in temperature on monday was because I had the weather compensation curve too low in an attempt to boost efficiency. Thanks for your comments and questions, and for engaging with the video. Sounds like you have quite a different approach wherever you are writing from? Thanks Tom
@cillo2000
@cillo2000 5 ай бұрын
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle - great vid. Would you be able to work out the difference between the running cost of a geothermal unit and your a2w unit? The geo unit would have a constant feed of 12° from the ground and about the same COP as your unit when it's 12° outside. I would love to finally figure out the total cost of ownership after 10 and 20 years for both systems.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Now that is a good question! And really interesting to think through that answer…! Extrapolating my efficiency would suggest at 12° we would have a COP of 4.32, so the assumption would be that ground source heat pumps could be 35% more efficient than our system So to deliver 12000 kWh of heat per year our heat pump would use 3529 kWh of electricity a GSHP would use 2775 kWh, so a GSHP would be £189 cheaper to run each year. £1890 cheaper over 10 years, £3772 cheaper over 20 One final thing to consider is, I am concerned about maintenance of GSHPs as if something goes wrong underground it is very difficult to fix. And easy to blame something in the ground if something unknown goes wrong with the heat pump. Keeping systems maintainable is important… But there is a case for ground source systems, I just have some concern! Thanks for the question. I enjoyed working that out Tom
@Willdickinson
@Willdickinson 5 ай бұрын
Hi Tom, Pre heat pump were you putting similar ammounts of heat into the house? I have what Id think to be a similar house (presumed) victorian terrace, far enough north than our tempretures last week were only maybe a degree nicer than yours, windows done within the last 20 years, small probably 90s extension, only place where we may have a little more insulation than you is via an attic conversion (its got some insulation but its not amazing). Adult couple, no kids. Currently on a gas combi boiler but thinking about a heat pump once that gets a little closer to end of life. Hence the interest in your videos. Acording to the octopus app getting data from my smart meter the highest our gas use got was 40kWh per day (including a gas hob, but i cant reliably remember how much if at all that was used on each day). Even if we pretend none of that was cooking and my boiler is 100% efficent your still putting three times as much heat into the house as i am. Is that a normal ammount of heat energy? are we unusually stingy with the thermostat?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Will, thanks for the comment and engaging so thoroughly with the video! I will try to respond bit by bit... Pre heat pump we were using about 12000 kWh of gas, so I imagine putting in 11500 kWh of heat (we were not able to measure), we are putting more heat into the house now, I think over 13000 kWh, but using about 4000 kWh of electricity. It does sound like are homes are similar, our extension is a bit more modern, 2017. 40 kWh of heat is not that much, so either you are keeping the house quite cool? Or your house is much better insulated than ours? I am not sure what is normal, but it does seem there is a massive difference for what appears to be a similar house... how much gas do you use a year? Thanks Tom
@Willdickinson
@Willdickinson 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Hi Tom, thanks for the reply. We changed to a smart meter on the gas side in november so getting consumption figures beyond that has been tricky so this will be less than exact- the best Ive been able to do is piece together the 'energy statement' emails from octopus which looks like for the period 28th December 2022 to 31st december 2024 we used £319.09 worth of gas. Taking away the daily standing charge and dividing that by the unit charge for the last period of 2023 (I know thats introduced some inaccuracy but close enough for a ball park figure) would suggest a little over 3000kWh of gas usage over the year. Looking like my initial estimate of using about a quarter of the heat you did on the coldest days seems to hold true over the whole year. We do have a log burner that I overlooked in my first comment- but I've regarded that as supplemental living room heat rather than doing the majority of the heavy lifting for the whole house. I suppose what I should look at as I get more smart meter data clocked up is how big a difference in gas usage there is during winter weeks where I am home (and try to keep the burner built and ready to use if we decide we need it) vs when Im working away (my partner is much less enthusiastic about building it so its used less) to work out how significant a variable that is.
@rogerphelps9939
@rogerphelps9939 5 ай бұрын
The problem is that you need to have the heat pump on during the day especially if you are at home all day. In my case it comes on at 5am and goes off at 11pm. Full rate for the electricity applies over most of that period. If you have cheaper electricity at night you are going to pay more during the day and that will be for other electrical items too. That means that cheap electricity is not always very helpful. I have a GSHP so my COP never goes below 2.9 and is usually around 3.5 even in fairly cold weather.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Roger, our electricity is artificially expensive 4-7pm and is a variable rate below that. Our average rate over the last 2 months has been 17.4p per kWh. We do keep our system running 24-7, which has allowed us to push our weather compensation curve down substantially. But every home is different and every way we want to control heating will be different for each person.. others may want to control their systems in a different manner. Thanks Tom
@MatthewEng2593
@MatthewEng2593 5 ай бұрын
I wonder if it would be cheaper on the -3*C day to use a gas fire? I think they're only 70% efficient though
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Matthew, yes good point, on those days it could be good to just keep the heat pump running but let the temperatures drop a little for a lot of the house and use supplementary heating for the other days, that could be gas, or wood burner (although air quality problems) or an IR panel / electric heater, or an electric blanket... Or just a thick jumper and a hat!! At least a heat pump _can_ get to comfortable temperatures, even if it used a lot of electricity to do so! Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@swisby3820
@swisby3820 5 ай бұрын
Interesting data, did you use the same amount of hot water each day and when was it generated as this would have a big impact on efficiency
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi swisby3820 - good question, I would say the coldest days and the days with the lowest efficiency were when my wife was home, so we probably used quite a bit more hot water (well at least double) for showers, hand washing etc. It is a good point to make... we keep our hot water tank at about 48°C so the heat pump does need to reach temperatures a little higher than normal days heating. The tank is 150 litres so to lift from 10°C from the mains cold water to 48°C (if we used all 160 litres) would need 6.63 kWh of heat... so where the heat pump delivered 100 kWh of heat, around 6% of that was hot water... so I don't think impacts the efficiency a great deal, but it is helpful to point out. Thanks for engaging with the video! Tom
@swisby3820
@swisby3820 5 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle thanks for the info. Presume the heat pump switches into hot water as a priority when the tank is low in temp? Or is it timer scheduled during the day when outside conditions should optimise efficiency?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
It does switch to hot water when tank is in low temp, and I have it programmed for certain points in the day. So a boost overnight and a boost in the afternoon. This tends to be when electricity is cheaper on the agile tariff, rather than when temperature is higher outside. Tom
@johnfreshwater3790
@johnfreshwater3790 5 ай бұрын
Hi Tom great video. Would love to know your sq metre of your house as we live in a 200 sqm 220 year old stone house and we use roughly the same keeping the house at 20. We do live nr Peterborough so maybe day time was a bit warmer
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi John, our house is about 120 sqm, and built in 1870s. We do have a modern extension and double glazing throughout, as well as loft insulation, so heat loss is potentially reduced a little compared to the original house. It is tricky to compare accurately with so many variables in place and weather and specifics around construction etc! Thanks for engaging with the video again. Tom
@johnfreshwater3790
@johnfreshwater3790 5 ай бұрын
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle hi Tom it just shows that old houses aren't as bad as a lot of people claim probably just need a bit more effort in sizing rads and ensuring flow rate suits the load required. I am very happy with ours and as we were an oil only village we no longer have the bother of remembering to order oil or the smell. I also converted our oil Rayburn to electric and that runs at half the cost of when it was on oil
@ivannightly1919
@ivannightly1919 4 ай бұрын
my trust is so high while ive installed a heat pump i left in my old furnace which i maintain so it can be turn on when required
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Ivan, I hope the heat pump will perform well and you don't have to use your old furnace, but I understand wanting the back up!
@AirCommodore64
@AirCommodore64 5 ай бұрын
Was the desired temperature achieved at any point?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi AirCommodore, you may have to watch the whole video to find out.... (But I won't be mean... yes it was!)
@Brex806
@Brex806 5 ай бұрын
My heat pump didn't work under 38 ° and heat strip is nonfunctioning. Used electric heaters and fireplace. Got to start a go fund me to pay next month's bill😂
@paperburn
@paperburn 4 ай бұрын
QOD: what type brand heat pump do you have? The specs on my new pump say that I should have no drop in efficiency until 10F. (-12 c)
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi paperburn - we have a Vaillant Arotherm Plus 5 kW. I suggest the specs are being a bit misleading as the physics would suggest less heat in the air means a heat pump needs more electricity to provide the same heat to a home.... Tom
@Cruner62
@Cruner62 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Hi Tom you don't seem to grasp what I say - the COP is a measure of the efficiency of the heat pump ie 1KW in 2.5 /4 Kw out of heat. However, the 1kw cost of electricity in has risen 4 times in 12 months had that not happened then there would be a much better case for heat pumps but if gas prices were at that initial low cost and they had not tried to level up with electricity there would be no case for heat pumps at all bearing mind the huge costs involved an complications. I listened to one noise complaint that was put down to a fan bearing - it was not a bearing it is a common complaint the noise is chatter from the expansion valve within the pump as the refrigerant pressure expands. Leaks from refrigerant damages the Ozone so it requires sophisticated equipment to maintain along with highly trained personnel. Then the problem with Icing up that needs more external heating plus immersion heaters to keep going when it gets cold. Getting one of these strapped to the side of a building needs structural attention and problems with vibration. You need a lot of space on the ground away from children and pets. The Elephant in the room is Net Zero with climate engineering at the top of the crazy list blaming all this on CO2 the plant food of life that gives us oxygen.
@DMFPERFORMANCE
@DMFPERFORMANCE 5 ай бұрын
I have the same heat pump, and we used 27kWh of electricity (solar and off peak battery storage) and generated 100kwhr of heat at -6oC in oir 4 bed detached. Question, Is your heat pump in an optimum location for air flow and circulation, Tom?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
You're not the first person to ask that! It has sufficient space as per manufacturers guidelines but I wonder whether having a heat pump free to air all around it would be better for efficiency. The one thing that is a problem for us is the access on the right hand side of the unit, this is too small when checking manufacturers guidelines, therefore may have issues with future servicing... but not had a problem yet.... Thanks for engaging with the video! Tom
@richardbartlett6932
@richardbartlett6932 4 ай бұрын
​​@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestylejudging by your picture personally l would like to see it higher so at least the top level with the wall and further forward to the gate post line. That will give better drainage, less likely for leaves and dirt build up at the back and force the exhaust air further forward reducing any micro climate effect. The right hand side is not an issue The difference will be small but every little helps with these machines
@pikeoblisco1623
@pikeoblisco1623 5 ай бұрын
Really interesting article, thank you. My wife would agree (18.5° - “that’s cool” 🙄). If it (temperature) doesn’t start with a 2 then throw another log on … Sorry, I know the tech is good (but not for me). (But don’t get too frustrated - I’ll keep driving my ev knowing that 80% of the year it’s powered by our solar panels.)
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Pikeoblisco - thanks for engaging with the video, we tend to be pretty happy with 19/19.5°C and that is just what we set it too, but I realise not for everyone! Great to hear you have an EV and solar panels, a heat pump as well would get you to very low emissions, and could increase comfort and reduce costs at the same time. All the best Tom
@chrisaris8756
@chrisaris8756 5 ай бұрын
Can you get the temperature higher than that? I am a chilly mortal and run my heating well in the 20s and am concerned that no matter what you do you cannot get the temp up. I have had this with air con driven heating systems.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Chris, yes we can, although we don’t because I am too energy conscious…! I would be happy at a cooler set point and when my wife goes away I do drop the temp, we are happy at 19° / 19.5 when she is home. I have had a couple of comments asking a similar thing, so maybe I could try to see how warm I could get the house (although feels like a waste!) In order to raise the temperature I would change some settings on the controller, desired temperature but also may increase the weather compensation curve so the heat pump outputs more heat. A system would be designed based on what you were hoping for ie if you wanted 23° it would be set up to provide that. Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@alanr585
@alanr585 4 ай бұрын
Yes I would want 22 degrees in the sitting room for just the sitting. 60 degrees for the water. If I was away for a weekend the low temperature radiators would take some time to heat the sitting room to the 21-22 degrees.
@simonstead8495
@simonstead8495 4 ай бұрын
Interesting and reassuring as we are having our heat pump installed in a few weeks all being well. Although wearing a t-shirt indoors was reassuring, we tend to wear warmer clothes and turn the thermostat down. Question: clearly turning the thermostat down reduces heat losses and the heat required to heat a home. However would it also increase the COP as well?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Simon, good question. Turning the heating time is actually likely to decrease COP as you will be heating less at higher external temperatures ie there is still heat loss if you set temperature at 21°C when external temperature is 17°C so you may be calling for heating and heat pump may run very efficiently. But if you set temperature at 17°C then you would not heat for as many hours at mild temperatures throughout the year. Does that make sense? So overall COP may be lower but costs will also be lower!! Although, if comfortable at lower temperatures running the heat pump at a low weather compensation curve will mean you can get high COPs. I spent a while tinkering to understand how our system works best. Pushing the weather compensation curve down as low as possible. Whilst staying comfortable. Hope that is helpful to think through? Thanks Tom
@simonstead8495
@simonstead8495 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Thanks for your reply, I think I understand what you are saying: if I want a lower set point all the time, I should be able to push the weather compensation curve down further, and that should increase COP as well as heat requirement savings?
@robandrews9826
@robandrews9826 5 ай бұрын
Look into octopus tracker tarrif, ive consistently paid less than 18p per kwh and gas less than 4p On the 19th i used 96kwh of gas and paid £3.65 for heating and hot water
@robandrews9826
@robandrews9826 5 ай бұрын
And 86p for 5.3kwh of electricity
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Thanks Rob, it is a fair point and I hadn't considered the tracker tariff for gas to compare against, I will in the future!
@wotyadoing
@wotyadoing 5 ай бұрын
I would love to know how well insulated your house is compared to a 1930’s built house and what cost that was to get the insulation up to the standards you require (is there a link for that?). I’m also surprised that you only run at 19 degrees and not at 20 or 21 degrees which would be more the national average
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Wotyadoing - our house is an 1870s terrace, with a modern extension, double glazing and loft insulation. It is a fairly average house I think. When we bought the house the loft was already insulation, but we had single glazed windows, double glazing cost around £6k, and we also did the extension that cost around £30k. Most homes with loft insulation and double glazing will be ready for a heat pump. We are happy at 19/19.5°C, and I am so energy conscious that I would not be too happy any higher! Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@HutchinsonJC
@HutchinsonJC 5 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Buy a thermal camera and go around your house looking for the worst spots that could use fixing IMO. You'll be able to easily identify ceiling areas where the insulation above it is inadequate, or where walls have cold spots or anything, really. Plus they are just kinda fun to have lol You could use pallet plastic wrap sold as a pretty large roll (the stuff you'd see pallets of food or whatever wrapped up in coming off semi-trucks) and you could actually layer it over some windows assuming you can layer it so there's an air gap between the actual window pane and the plastic wrap (to give you the effects of double paned windows). It's perhaps not the ideal fix, but if you have windows in areas of the house where you don't care, it could help and is incredibly cheap to apply. And if you take your time with it, it won't look as bad as you'd imagine. I did some using scotch tape (satin finish) to keep the plastic wrap in place and you can literally barely tell it's there, but it also took me like an hour+ per window taking my time to make it like that. If you have doors that lead to outside that are not used during the Winter, you could even masking tape the door's perimeter if it has air leaks and throw a towel in front of the floor of the door or something. Masking tape because it comes off incredibly easily without pealing paint with it. Lots of cheap tricks that can be done (and easily undone) once you identify the places that need work.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hello@@HutchinsonJC - I actually borrowed one a couple of years ago and made a video - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/h5OfnMufp7_Oo3U.html Thanks for the tips, lots that can be done to help with draught proofing! I think I will do some at our back door in the future Tom
@regplate2923
@regplate2923 5 ай бұрын
My utility bill this month is around £600. - it’s a four bed detached. I have the loft insulated and the cavity walls plus double glazing. I have no idea how people can spend so Little on gas and electric. It’s cheaper in summer of course but still. I can only think people run their homes at just about the governments minimum recommended temp. Sorry , I haven’t worked for 40 years to be cold in my retirement.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Reg, my electricity bill this month will be around £200-£250 for all heating, hot water, cooking and power in our house, we are a 3 bed terraced house, with loft insulation, double glazing but no cavity. What temperature do you keep the house at? Absolutely you should be as warm as you would like to be! Do you have a gas boiler? Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@Cruner62
@Cruner62 4 ай бұрын
Hi Reg - we are similar retired, pension gobbled up by £478/month energy ( outside any gov grants) living in 4 bed detached with massive insulation all over AAA+ rating living in one room at 20 deg using a small 500w ceramic wall heater.
@chrisclancy9761
@chrisclancy9761 4 ай бұрын
Under the Microgeneration Certification Scheme (MCS) a heat pump should be designed to heat a property to 21 degrees at an outside temperature of -3 degrees, yours can barely get to 19 degrees, it would appear the heat pump or the system could be undersized. You should have been given the expected SCOP with the quote and you would reasonably expect around 4 to 4.5. Maybe the heat pump is undersized for the property and insulation levels.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Chris, fair point, ours is getting to 19 because that is what we are happy with, and because that is how I had it set up, the heat pump can lift the temperature higher, but we don't ask it to. We do have one 'undersized' radiator as we have one covered with a radiator cover, but the rest of the system should be ok. And the house could have better insulation. It is a victorian terrace with some insulation improvements. Our MCS certificate suggested a SCOP of 3.77. Our SCOP over the last 12 months is 3.45, so not performing as well as suggested, 9% less well. Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@user-iq2rp3qv8m
@user-iq2rp3qv8m 5 ай бұрын
Is your home heated by underfloor heating or radiators. I was told there is a big difference
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hello - we have a small area of underfloor heating in our extension at the back of the house, but most of the house is radiators. With underfloor heating you can run the heat pump at lower flow temperatures which is likely to mean higher efficiency. Thanks Tom
@badabing8884
@badabing8884 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. For Joe Public I think cost is the biggest thing. How much and can they install a heat pump in their property when it comes to replacing their gas boiler. How much is the government willing to subsidise this is going to be massive in persuading the public to install in the next decade. For most they are not concerned about how much CO2 they are not releasing compared to be gas boiler but just that they want to keep warm in winter and how much it costs them.
@_Dougaldog
@_Dougaldog 5 ай бұрын
One multi-tentacled UK energy company is suggesting as low as no cost (after £7,500 grant deducted) for their heat pump systems. I suspect though they are higher temperature units (70C Max) with a slightly lower performance rating overall than the low temperature systems (55C Max). In practice would depend how they're run.
@sesshoumarusama7397
@sesshoumarusama7397 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, cold snap is expensive .. I had over a couple days -14°C and the COP went to 2,39 with a total energy usage of 61 kwh. I wish I had your prices though as one kwh here costs 35 Cents. By the way my target temperatur in the house is 22 °C :)
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for engaging with the video, where are you based?
@sesshoumarusama7397
@sesshoumarusama7397 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Right in the middle of Germany
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Great@@sesshoumarusama7397 I did not realise it got that cold in Germany! Thanks for commenting
@simoncorby4802
@simoncorby4802 5 ай бұрын
The outlay is a bummer. Many years to pay that back 🤔
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Simon, yes the outlay for a heat pump and radiator fit out to run it efficiently can be a lot of money, but with the boiler upgrade scheme grant at the moment should mean that a heat pump is not much more expensive than a well installed boiler. At the moment we subsidise gas and punish use of electricity, if that was switched, payback would be much quicker. Although I would question the need for payback, many people buy new cars, kitchens, go on nice holidays and spend thousands of pounds without any payback. If a heat pump was a lifestyle decision then maybe it doesn't need payback Thanks Tom
@chazwil7974
@chazwil7974 5 ай бұрын
Do you find those interior temperatures comfortable?
@tomwebb7416
@tomwebb7416 5 ай бұрын
We have an air source heat pump and have it running constantly at target temp of 18 degrees. Would never have thought that would be high enough but it is (for wifey too!)… there’s a lot of talk about the fabric of the house being warmer doing it like this and maybe that’s why the lower overall temp seems fine?
@mmbb3416
@mmbb3416 5 ай бұрын
​@tomwebb7416 totally agree with that. We have it at 18 5 to 19 degrees 24 hours a day, and the house feels very cosy.
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 5 ай бұрын
​@@mmbb3416 Maybe you just got acclimatised to the colder rooms.
@mmbb3416
@mmbb3416 5 ай бұрын
@Robert-cu9bm we didn't have the thermostat any higher with the gas boiler - turned it down about 10 years ago for environmental reasons. The house feels warmer with the heatpump, though, because the heating now remains at that temperature 24/7 throughout the year.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi all - apologies it has taken me a while to get to these comments, but short answer - yes 19 is comfortable for us. I would be in shorts and tshirt at 21-22!
@daand12
@daand12 4 ай бұрын
2.5kw/h is a lot for a heat pump. Probably the heating element is on? Even 5kw airconditioning units use about 1.5kw/h. Even my gas boiler will run at about 45% power when it's on until it reaches 65 degrees. Forced mine to 8kw now.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Daand12 - I am fairly sure our heat pump does not have a heating element, but at 2.5 kW (that was the whole house, so maybe heat pump drawing 2.3 kW) that would be a heat pump supplying 5 kW of heat at a COP of 2, which for some of the day was probably about right. I think that was when it was -4°C outside...?
@daand12
@daand12 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle same as here then. During these temperatures my gas boiler basically used almost double amount of gas then what it does now. It's just being a non insulated apartment and old style radiators.
@timsimshurst
@timsimshurst 5 ай бұрын
Just as well that the uk never gets particularly cold....
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely, this week is about as bad as it gets, but we have had a warm winter this year. I am sure it will be colder at some point in the future, good job a heat pump can still operate! Tom
@KeithFLOOK-wd3uw
@KeithFLOOK-wd3uw 5 ай бұрын
You have your temperature set at 19C, how would it cope with setting it at the 23C that my elderly parents like their house heating set at during a similar cold snap.. can it even reach that temperature?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Keith, I’ve never tried and our heat pump may not be sized to lift the temperature that much with our heat loss (Victorian terrace) But a system sized for a temperature and installed well should be able to heat to whatever you would like it to. Maybe it’s a challenge I should try… how high can we get internal temp in winter?! Tom
@KeithFLOOK-wd3uw
@KeithFLOOK-wd3uw 5 ай бұрын
That would be interesting to find out... during a cold spell outside. There will many older people that live in older properties and want to run warmer temperatures.
@jackhowarth2307
@jackhowarth2307 5 ай бұрын
Imagine if and when we have only heat pumps add electric car battery chargers, how will theElectric power source be provided and what if there are power cuts for one reason or another. I think UK will have a very cold and rude awakening,! 😮
@_Dougaldog
@_Dougaldog 5 ай бұрын
Imagine, what a great word. It was certainly a rude awakening when price of energy quadrupled thanks to Putin and others manipulating fossil fuel supplies. Or a very cosy and comfortable future driven by localised wind, hydro, solar, geothermal, and tidal electricity generation. With backup storage on the many EVs plugged into the system, heating supplied from heat pumps, hot water storage or Hydrogen powered centralised power stations.
@barrypickles6546
@barrypickles6546 5 ай бұрын
I do feel sorry for anyone who was prodded into a heatpump, only for the companies to reveal they are now using propane and better gasses. I also hate to break this to you as well but I have aMVHR and the gas heating has used about 3.5 quids worth maximum, 44kwh with all the hot water. I try to keep the temperature comfortable 21 to 23 degrees. The solar has been a bit pants, the battery has only managed about a 3kwh charge, only a small 3kw array, but it obviously is no where near the 50kwh (100?) needed to bump up a heat pump. You look like you have a fair bit of land there, farmers are reporting cop of 6 from there ground source pumps. Anyway thanks for the in site.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Barry, thanks for the comment. Can you clarify what the issue with using propane is? Our heat pump uses propane as the refrigerant / working fluid. Contained in the heat pump. Sounds like you have a much better insulated house, and maybe more modern if using MVHR, something I want to look into for us in my detail. I don’t have solar or a battery, which is why I am pleased the grid is decarbonising! The land in the back of my video is farm land behind our house, not ours to use! Thanks for the comment! Tom
@barrypickles6546
@barrypickles6546 5 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle @TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle propane is fine. They recently altered the gas to make them more efficient. I do feel that they are forcing us all in to the green tech before it's ready. Lithium cars even though viable mean we are destroyin the earth to get it, i feel it would be more environmental to wait for aluminium batteries. Get the house insulated and block the gaps. I would not recommend solar in the UK now, I would recommend investing in a share of a wind turbine. Try asking the farmer for a lease to use the land, the sheep can still graze the surface !
@_Dougaldog
@_Dougaldog 5 ай бұрын
@@barrypickles6546 Heat pumps are not new tech' and are well developed and tested. UK has just been very slow on adopting the technology for domestic use. Sodium Ion batteries are the emerging alternative to Lithium Ion Polymer in EVs. Cobalt will continue to be used as always in fossil fuel refining process.
@barrypickles6546
@barrypickles6546 5 ай бұрын
I suppose they are just like a refrigerator? But they are now introducing "new" refrigerants into heatpumps in "new" units increacing the efficiency.
@barrypickles6546
@barrypickles6546 5 ай бұрын
I have heard that pre propane pumps are a bit naff. You could always lease the land off the farmer, his sheep can always graze the top. At a cop of 6 in cool weather over 50 years must be worth it.. I dont reccoment solar in the uk, its never there when you need it. Try investing in a share in a wind turbine instead. The house isnt particularly modern, but it was built with circulatory hot air heating to begin with. Once that went the lack of airbricks was noticable.
@davidsaunders2906
@davidsaunders2906 4 ай бұрын
I can tell you that my wife wouldn't accept 17 Deg ! Our oil boiler gets us up to 22 and she's just about functioning.Lol.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Good job she was away for work on the monday! It was up at 19 for much of the rest of the week, and 19.5 on friday, we are happy at those temperatures, much more and I would be in shorts and tshirt! But it is possible, if set up to do so. I may do a fairly wasteful video to see how high we can go one day Tom
@mrshawnwilliams1
@mrshawnwilliams1 5 ай бұрын
I'm using a mini split Heat Pump to heat my home so far 28 days of heating I've used 108 kwh in total and has cost me approx £9.69 In electric
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Mr Shawn Williams, your electricity is much cheaper than mine! For 108 kWh that would cost me around £25-£27. How big is your home? How warm do you keep the house? Thanks for engaging with the video Tom
@mrshawnwilliams1
@mrshawnwilliams1 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 3 bedroomed detached home and usually keep it around 22 degrees, usually use a mixture of solar, battery and off peak . Mini split in my fairly large living room and heats through rest of the house and usually on virtually 24 x 7 I dont use that much hot water as now live alone, so this mini split is working brilliantly for me without the expense and mess of what would of been a wet heat pump and what the government is pushing. Bonus is the heat from it is virtually instant and and really hot 🔥
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Ah ok thanks for replying@@mrshawnwilliams1 we don't have solar or a battery, I suspect we could have quite a lot lower costs if we did!
@ciaranclose192
@ciaranclose192 5 ай бұрын
Why is your room sensor standing on the table? It should be fitted on a wall, centrally in the house, 1.5 meters off the floor, away from rads, direct sun light and draughts.. also, 19C target temp is quite low.. in my house we set it for 21 in the morning and 20 in the late afternoon.. with a set back temp of 15
@tomwebb7416
@tomwebb7416 5 ай бұрын
Horses for course I guess target temp wise… we have 18 degrees and it’s fine and dandy (for us)
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi Ciaran, thanks for the comment, it is a fair point, and I don't really have a good answer, other than... we can hide it away a little bit and we probably don't have a good space to mount it on the wall... I am not sure it impacts our system too negatively. Yes 19°C is on the cool side, but we are happy!
@DeadEyeP_
@DeadEyeP_ 5 ай бұрын
Surely the fairer comparison is gas and electric tracker prices, certainly not a ToU v cap
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Yes that’s a fair point. I haven’t engaged much with the gas tracker prices as they came out after I got rid of my boiler. But yes that could be a fairer comparison. I’ll try to pick that up in a future video. Thanks for the comment Tom
@plasticcreations7836
@plasticcreations7836 5 ай бұрын
I still find it amazing how a heat pump can get more than 100% efficiency. Its like getting energy for free.
@Robert-cu9bm
@Robert-cu9bm 5 ай бұрын
It's just moving heat energy... Think of it like a tanker truck moving fuel it only uses a small bit of that fuel to move it to the next location.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Hi both - sorry it has taken me a while to come back on this, yes the greater than 100% efficiency doesn't seem right, but the calculation we are doing is heat out divided by electricity in.... the 'electricity in' is used to extract free heat from the air, this is where the 'extra' energy comes from to make the efficiency higher than 100%. Hope that makes sense!
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 4 ай бұрын
Absolutely, different people have different temperatures, we are happy at 19! Others happy lower, others need warmer temperatures!
@royhorn9412
@royhorn9412 5 ай бұрын
Really! All this trouble just use a gas boiler 7p a kWh.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi Roy, I guess it comes down to why we need to move away from gas and there are a few reasons there - we need to reduce emissions to slow climate change, we need to stop burning gas to improve air quality in towns and cities and we need to stop using gas to stop funding dodgy fossil fuel regimes around the world. And our heat pump means we are more comfortable, with lower costs, bonus!! Thanks Tom
@Cruner62
@Cruner62 4 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle Stop climate engineering will let nature do its thing meddling with the upper atmosphere is what is causing rapid climate change not CO2 emissions of which there is not enough currently.
@MagnoliaHouseRye
@MagnoliaHouseRye 3 ай бұрын
Hi Tom, I have a zero-emission (and very effiicient) Bed and Breakfast down here in the lovely Ancient town of Rye, in East Sussex. I'd very much like to invite you (and family) down for a night for you to review, comment, critique and discuss going from a regular domestic user to "light commercial", with a 34 panel solar array, a 12kw ASHP, 10x Air to Air heat pumps, underfloor and heated skirting boards....oh, and 4x 7kw EV chargers to boot :-) I hope you catch this comment :-) All the best, Javed Khan, Magnolia House Rye
@kavanobrien6547
@kavanobrien6547 5 ай бұрын
One = obviously if electricity goes up then bigger bills , two = would you think air to air would be a better solution, still have a heat pump just for water , this is what I’m thinking of doing what’s your thoughts ?
@Lewis_Standing
@Lewis_Standing 5 ай бұрын
Need planning permission to have two external units
@_Dougaldog
@_Dougaldog 5 ай бұрын
@@Lewis_Standing Air to water units are available as integrated into hot cylinder, so no external unit required.
@kavanobrien6547
@kavanobrien6547 5 ай бұрын
@@Lewis_Standing I was thinking about having one internal unit with the tank and heat pump on top with hole in wall for the heat pump , one heat pump outside for air to air heating.
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi all - interesting proposal, I wonder whether it is adding complication? Two systems to maintain, two separate controls...? And air to air is quite a big installation to act as a central heating system, great if you have a small space to service, but if you want to heat the whole house then quite a big multi-split installation. Happy to be wrong!
@kavanobrien6547
@kavanobrien6547 5 ай бұрын
@@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle My apologies for maybe saying stupid things I know absolutely nothing about the heat pump scenario other than watching a few things on KZfaq, I want to get rid of the gas boiler so having a tank inside with a heat pump on top of it and using the existing hole for the gas flue makes sense, but having to upgrade possibly my radiators because how the heat pump works which you are obviously familiar with, that for me doesn’t make sense because I only tend to use two rooms in the house , for me having air tot air two upstairs and two downstairs makes more sense, having a heat pump outside with a four split system makes sense , of course I could be wrong but heating four rooms I don’t use seems to make less sense, it is said that common sense is less common these days, I know how I live but I can’t help feeling that heating rooms I don’t use is daft.
@oswaldconsultancyltd3150
@oswaldconsultancyltd3150 5 ай бұрын
The carbon emissions of the grid is higher in winter as more gas turbines are burning gas. You, like everyone uses “annual average carbon emissions “ to show that heat pumps create less carbon. I like heat pumps but I think we need to change this calculation, and I’m planning to look at it. Thanks for good video.
@BenIsInSweden
@BenIsInSweden 5 ай бұрын
Breakeven point for carbon emissions is less than a COP of 2 when taking into consideration a heat pump 100% powered by a UK gas power plant vs the average boiler set up in the UK. E.g. 100kWh of gas produces about 85kWh of usable heat, for a heat pump running at a COP of 2 and taking into consideration transmission losses, you're looking at 45kWh of electricity needed, with about 90kWh of gas burnt for it.
@oswaldconsultancyltd3150
@oswaldconsultancyltd3150 5 ай бұрын
Yes. I agree but we are trying to reduce carbon, not match it. My thought behind this, we need to make more of running away from peak demand hours where the marginal increase in demand is entirely delivered from gas burning turbines. I just don’t like this annual average, why not monthly average or weekly average or day average. Who made up annual average and said it applies in winter ?
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle
@TomBray-LowCarbonLifestyle 5 ай бұрын
Hi both, some fair points, and I agree the variability of CO2 intensity of the grid makes carbon reporting quite difficult, which is why I use the methodology outlined here www.gov.uk/government/publications/greenhouse-gas-reporting-conversion-factors-2023 The marginal electricity will tend to be delivered by fossil infrastructure, unless we are curtailing wind. So there is a case to say every extra kWh of electricity consumed would be dirtier than average. However when we consider average CO2 on a daily basis, looking at sites like mygridgb.co.uk or dashboard.nationalgrideso.com, CO2 intensity of the grid is often lower than average in winter (when it’s windy) and where I live is often much lower than average (low demand, wind generation, Hartlepool nuclear etc). So…. I think it’s right to use reporting methodology but also understand the context of a variable and complex system! Although, more PV, more wind, more heat pumps = lower emissions, so doesn’t need to be complex! Thanks for your thoughts on this and for engaging with the video Thanks Tom
@oswaldconsultancyltd3150
@oswaldconsultancyltd3150 5 ай бұрын
Yes. Carbon could be lower in winter, as windy. I’m pleased you looked , I was intending too. Cheers.
@BenIsInSweden
@BenIsInSweden 5 ай бұрын
​@@oswaldconsultancyltd3150I think you're missing the point. The absolute worst case is matching it, i.e. grid fully powered by gas, a really really cold day bringing the COP right down. The likelihood of both of those occurring at the same time is extremely rare. Grid is getting greener, the efficiency of gas power plants is being upgraded to over 60%, heat pump efficiency is always improving.
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