How Do Cults Lure You In?

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Doctor Elliott

Doctor Elliott

Жыл бұрын

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Episode 8 of my Doctor Reacts series on The Last of Us and it covers cults and why people can be recruited into cults, whether faith helps in rehabilitation of addiction and in the criminal justice system, trust, trauma, psychological defenses and more. It's a pretty diverse range of topics on this wonderfully written show. As always, let me know what you think in the comments and what else you want me to check out.
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@Blaskor314
@Blaskor314 Жыл бұрын
Ellie has no medical training, hence why she tried to ask Joel where to inject it. She was just guessing.
@emmacross373
@emmacross373 Жыл бұрын
was about to say this haha
@Tempestuu
@Tempestuu Жыл бұрын
Honestly even as an adult that grew up in todays world, I'd have no idea where to inject it either!
@Blaskor314
@Blaskor314 Жыл бұрын
@@Tempestuu Right! All I know is "Stick 'em with the pointy end"
@meatball6956
@meatball6956 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, it makes sense that she didn't know where to inject it, but that's not the unrealistic part. The unrealistic part is that Joel survived. In real life, he would've died. To save him, she'd have to inject the shot into a vein in order for the medication to reach his bloodstream. Gotta love movie magic tho, it would've been so sad if he died
@Blaskor314
@Blaskor314 Жыл бұрын
@@meatball6956 That part I agree with you. It was a bit far fetched with his recovery time.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 Жыл бұрын
The actor playing David did a remarkable job. The coldness around the eyes signifying a lack of compassion and empathy.
@jijitters
@jijitters Жыл бұрын
His voice was perfectly chilling!
@KayosHybrid
@KayosHybrid Жыл бұрын
It just hit me that David attempted to steal Ellie's innocence from her, and Joel reinstates her innocence as soon as he gets to her. She is strong and persistent but she's a child.
@meghanmonroe
@meghanmonroe Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately that's not how it works. Once taken, it cannot be given back. But he certainly comforted her in the moment.
@KayosHybrid
@KayosHybrid Жыл бұрын
@@meghanmonroe I'm talking about committing rape and forcing her to enter an adult role ('an equal').
@meghanmonroe
@meghanmonroe Жыл бұрын
@@KayosHybrid So am I. Your comment says "Joel reinstates her innocence" after David attempted to steal it. I disagree on the fact that innocence can be reinstated. That wound cannot be undone. Joel comforted her.
@meghanmonroe
@meghanmonroe Жыл бұрын
@Nick That still just sounds like "comfort" to me, not a form of innocence to give back. Maybe it's different with kids in therapy, maybe comfort does equal a renewal of innocence to some degree. By the time I made it to a shrink, my inner child was dead.
@KayosHybrid
@KayosHybrid Жыл бұрын
@@meghanmonroe her innocence as in her status as a child.
@themachphantom
@themachphantom Жыл бұрын
When I played the game, when Joel called Ellie "baby girl" for the first time here, his given nickname for Sarah, it was the first time I ever cried playing a videogame. This chapter is probably my favorite from The Last of Us because it does such an amazing job of demonstrating the vast and complex nature of humanity. Whether that be the monstrosity we as people are capable of (personified in David), or the ability to heal and love (demonstrated in Joel fully embracing Ellie as his daughter in that moment).
@wtimmins
@wtimmins Жыл бұрын
I haven't played the game, spent most of this episode angry and skeeved out. But the 'baby girl'? Yeah, that's when I cried.
@kelalen8811
@kelalen8811 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate how you consistently show greater concern for your viewers as very real people than as potential sources of clicks and "engagement" in what you choose to include in your reactions.
@colonelb
@colonelb Жыл бұрын
Bella Ramsey plays this so INCREDIBLY well, as she leaves the burning building after "the incident", we can effectively see the future PTSD starting to build up on her face in real time - the Ellie that left that building is not the same Ellie that went in, and it shows. One of the themes that the showrunners and game creators wanted to emphasize is the idea that "in an apocalypse/pandemic scenario, the worst threats come from other people" and I think this really shows that off to a tee. David is arguably the only "pure evil" character in the series, everyone else is just trying to survive but David has some narcissistic enjoyment from it that takes it to another level. At 3:36 you bring up psychosis and as an interesting aside, I don't know if you're a gamer at all but there is a FANTASTIC 2017 game called "Hellblade: Senua's sacrifice" about a young Scottish woman in the 8th century whose village is attacked by Vikings. She suffers from psychosis and since it's the 8th century before modern mental health understanding, she was called "cursed" and suffered a lot of abuse in childhood. The game makers worked with mental hospitals and real mental patients to incorporate their stories and experiences of psychosis into the game and the game ends with the "therapists good ending" of her accepting her condition without shame. It won A TON of awards and was praised for helping people understand mental illness in a more personal way and to help destigmatize it. I highly recommend playing or watching it if that's your cup of tea. Cheers
@pigpjs
@pigpjs Жыл бұрын
I have never heard of Hellblade. Going to definitely look it up now based on your description. It sounds fascinating.
@zemoxian
@zemoxian Жыл бұрын
5:31 The medical accuracy isn’t the point. She’s a child administering medical care without training or instructions. Perfectly accurate in that sense.
@NYCbabyJes
@NYCbabyJes Жыл бұрын
Exactly!
@Roneish1996
@Roneish1996 Жыл бұрын
She is a 14 year old girl who grew up in a post apocalyptic world she isn’t going to know exactly how to administer a syringe of antibiotics. Also it’s acknowledged in that scene she doesn’t know where to put it.
@Saavycupcake
@Saavycupcake Жыл бұрын
This was a very difficult episode to watch with the predatory behavior. On one hand many were cheering Bella on when she was able to react and fight. Though, for many survivors they may go into the freeze response in order to stay alive. I myself still have difficulty forgiving my body for the very normal protective process of going into the freeze response. I usually look up episodes for trigger warnings and didn’t this time. I went into a massive panic attack and flashbacks. Luckily, with my hard work in therapy and as a biopsychology student, I was able to self soothe and I knew what to do to self-regulate.
@jijitters
@jijitters Жыл бұрын
I hope you're okay now ): In the game it was more subtle (the lines David said during that moment in the show were new) so I think even a lot of players didn't even realize the implication of his intent and were surprised by the show having him state it clearly.
@bialynia
@bialynia Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I second people before me - it's not really fair to say the injection scene is medically inaccurate when it's done by someone who has no clue what they are doing. She literally asks Joel where should the shot go and having gotten no answer she is forced to make a very uneducated guess. In her position, I would do exactly the same thing just because it seems the safest gamble. The cult leader is especially creepy to me when I think about all the things that must have been happening off-screen. Cannibalizing someone who was already dead is obviously controversial but you can argue it's excusable in dire need. But it seems pretty clear to me the group was actively hunting people. That guy whom Joel killed, he attacked him when Joel and Ellie were trying to escape. He and his 3 companions left their group in search of food and killing random humans who were running from them was apparently a valid option. I imagine the leader must have made those guys feel like they were his inner circle, somehow above the members of the group who were unaware of where their food came from but at the same time not fully responsible for the things they were doing...
@SimsinWonderland
@SimsinWonderland Жыл бұрын
For her age and in the conditions she did an incredible job
@mythtaken6610
@mythtaken6610 Жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, they were definitely actively hunting people - David enjoyed it, and enjoyed knowingly feeding Soylent Green to his oblivious "flock". The resort is literally next to a huge lake, which probably has rivers or streams leading to it, and they have access to tons of kayaks and materials to build boats if needed - they could easily have more than enough food to feed the scant thirty people they have with fish alone, and that's without hunting/foraging in the giant forest they seem to be situated in. Deer (and rabbits) would be plentiful after nearly two decades of no hunters culling their numbers (and seemingly few infected in the area - not sure if infected even eat or attack animals, as the animals seem to roam pretty freely, like those bison in an earlier episode) and they have access to guns to hunt with. There's no excuse for not having enough food, so it seems David used it as an excuse to get his kicks, honestly.
@TheBearAspirin
@TheBearAspirin Жыл бұрын
The crazy thing is Bella Ramsey said they filmed some of the David scenes AFTER completing the Joel/Ellie reunion at the end. Just a reminder of the acting chops it takes to film this series. It's also pretty consistent that during the filming of the series, the cast and crew were very supportive of one another and made sure to have fun. It's incredible to think what was portrayed versus what was going on in crafting the series were almost on the opposite ends of the emotional spectrum.
@KBzaz
@KBzaz Жыл бұрын
In the show’s defense Ellie is in fact a child who doesn’t know where to and not to inject a needle.
@Harri_James
@Harri_James Жыл бұрын
You seem to have missed the implication in the earlier dinner scene (which to be fair I did too until my housemate pointed it out) which is the meat they are eating in the scene is the girl's dead father (they said they couldn't bury him because the ground was too hard to dig, when the man brings meat into the kitchen he says it's venison but they hadn't come back with the deer they caught yet so it can't have been venison...yeah his grieving widow and daughter unknowingly ate him...)
@pigpjs
@pigpjs Жыл бұрын
As someone who went through CSA, playing the game during the restaurant scene was very cathartic for me. I appreciate how the game wasn't gratuitous the way many other games are in the way they approach SA. I was also glad though that I knew what was coming in this episode having played the game.
@malinpetersson4182
@malinpetersson4182 Жыл бұрын
In any other TV show (or most of them), I would have argued that even most children have seen people get injected in the arm on hospital shows etc and therefore should be able to guess where the antibiotic should have been injected... but she was born into a world that no longer had TV or the Internet, so she's excused 😅 it just looked so. painful. to inject it directly into the wound, it's a good thing he was barely conscious lol Loved the video! I'm looking forward to your reaction of the finale!
@nickcoleman-hicks9168
@nickcoleman-hicks9168 Жыл бұрын
I disagree with you Elliot about the injection, as others have pointed out, Ellie would have no idea how to inject antibiotics. That said, penicillin can be injected IM, Used to be pretty common in rural paediatric sepsis before IO’s became available. It’s just immensely painful, usually you give it with lignocaine. Intraperitoneal drug administration would work as well, just slower than IV.
@rhondajohnson8310
@rhondajohnson8310 Жыл бұрын
That part in the show was jarring. Thank you for your care and consideration for those who are triggered and just don't want to see those type of things. Great analysis.
@perilouspigeon6613
@perilouspigeon6613 Жыл бұрын
Have you heard about the show “The Patient”? It’s Steve Carrell playing a psychologist who gets kidnapped by a patient, a serial killer trying to ‘cure’ himself. It might be a good fit for the Reacts series 😊
@noisycarlos
@noisycarlos Жыл бұрын
Ha, i worked on that show, but just saw pieces so i didn't know what it was about until now.
@Sol3UK
@Sol3UK Жыл бұрын
05:35 Ellie has no idea where to inject Joel, her best guess is the wound.
@NYCbabyJes
@NYCbabyJes Жыл бұрын
A hundred percent! Weird for a psychologist not to get that. The writer wasn't going for medical accuracy at that point...he was Completely Realistically writing how a Child who probably never had immunizations before in the post apocalyptic world that she lives in...not knowing how to administer a syringe full of medicine! She EVEN SAYS IT before she puts the medication into him "Joel what do I do, where do I put this?". How can he not understand that especially when the character literally says it aloud in the scene, lmao! Also not to mention how I wouldn't even know exactly how to administer it being an adult who's been inoculated my whole life. And that's because a lot of life-saving medications actually don't go into the veins in the arms. For example, my sons epi-pen MUST be administered in his thighs if he ever goes in an allergic shock....Another example is how a lot of life-saving meds need to be administered in the buttocks such as shots for anti-venom etc. So I agree, that scene was written so accurately. She's a child....and a child who's never received so much as a flu shot her whole life. Of course she would assume that the medication goes directly into the wound.
@tcyflorencee
@tcyflorencee Жыл бұрын
I have been waiting for this video since the episode came out🥺🥺
@jubilantsleep
@jubilantsleep Жыл бұрын
7:16 Lol. If there was any doubt before… Another awesome reaction! Thank you! ❤
@mina_en_suiza
@mina_en_suiza Жыл бұрын
When it comes to rationalise cannibalism, I inevitably remember the plane crash in the Andes 1972. They also recurred to this extreme measure in order to survive more than two months, but they didn't kill anyone to eat him.
@uekernas
@uekernas Жыл бұрын
Please do a psychiatrist's reaction video to Eighth Grade (by Bo Burnham): a deeply empathetic portrait of a teenager with social anxiety in the age of social media, and so painfully realistic about middle school that it literally made my son wince!
@trulybtd5396
@trulybtd5396 20 күн бұрын
Speaking of accuracy, it is always hilarious hearing english speakers trying to pronounce Vincent van Gogh
@JustGem87
@JustGem87 Жыл бұрын
Was the singel frame of Ellie and Joel at 13:27 intentional or an artifact of editing?
@xxxcrimsonxxx9612
@xxxcrimsonxxx9612 Жыл бұрын
Lets say, for random example, you were in that EXACT scenario where you had someone in septic shock like Joel, and only two bottles of liquid penicillin and a syringe. How does one go about dosing and administering the meds, and for how long? And where should you inject? Personally, my gut is saying inject the top of the glute like a steroid shot, but if I were Ellie I'd probably just go with what she did haha
@carlables
@carlables Жыл бұрын
I wouldn’t say his followers have a cult mentality seeing as how it’s a post apocalyptic world… I think it’s more complicated, because nobody seems that intrigued in him other than a few followers, they probably only stick with him for survival, there are few alternatives in that kind of world if they want to stay alive
@emilyhughes4297
@emilyhughes4297 Жыл бұрын
I don’t think we see enough of them to make a judgement.
@TheSteed
@TheSteed Жыл бұрын
I don't think it's fair to critique the show for medical accuracy when a child doesnt know where to inject antibiotics but I think it would be fair to criticise Joel recovering as quickly as he did, especially off the back of the injection site being incorrect
@abigailsaunders5759
@abigailsaunders5759 Жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the Aviator!!!
@shizgirl
@shizgirl Жыл бұрын
Speaking of cults, have you seen Severance? Big cult vibes, plus so much more. I think you’d like it.
@krystinasjustplayin
@krystinasjustplayin Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one that noticed something that happened between 13:27 and 13:28? There was a weird flash or something. It was quick.
@bunnytarot
@bunnytarot Жыл бұрын
You should do an analysis on the characters from series ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS, there’s a lot to be discussed in their universe. Also the John Water’s film DESPERATE LIVING, a lot of lgbtq trauma in there too. 🎥🎬🍿
@mandipandi303
@mandipandi303 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't bring up the brain disease you get from being a cannibal. That horrible man doomed the entire community. A truly disgusting character in every sense. I've been impressed by this show on every level.
@parsnipappendectomy
@parsnipappendectomy Жыл бұрын
that disease, called kuru, arises from eating human brain contaminated with infectious prions. it isn’t from eating humans altogether
@DoctorElliottCarthy
@DoctorElliottCarthy Жыл бұрын
Watch the reaction to the first episode..
@RUNtvHD
@RUNtvHD Жыл бұрын
Tbh I think they might be able to eat the meat but just not the brains, where the prions are.
@Horticarter41
@Horticarter41 11 ай бұрын
The concept of "everything happens for a reason" pisses me off. Michelle McNamara, the first wife of Patton Oswalt died young but was a true crime writer and used to say "It's chaos, be kind". She believed that the only balm for the insanity and cruelty of the world was kindness. That truth is more real to me than any religious platitude.
@crisblackomega
@crisblackomega Жыл бұрын
About cults, you will love The Leftovers 😉
@relaxedbro
@relaxedbro Жыл бұрын
👍🏿
@lkf8799
@lkf8799 Жыл бұрын
I like your user name 😉
@PewoobTube
@PewoobTube 3 ай бұрын
Jonestown was a cult
@angelinabrown3142
@angelinabrown3142 Жыл бұрын
This episode messed me up so much. The group has really toxic vibes from the first. The fact that Ellie didn't have Joel to watch her back for most of it. The cannibalism. Joel's ruthlessness with the 2 men. And the ENTIRE final scene with David and Ellie. I needed time to recover from it. I actually took a half day for mental health the next day.
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