How does a Procharger supercharger work?

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Peter Beattie

Peter Beattie

9 жыл бұрын

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@volcomintality8638
@volcomintality8638 7 жыл бұрын
I know very little about car engines and am trying to learn about things like this. You explain things very simple to where a guy like me can understand. Thank you
@poloboy3338
@poloboy3338 6 жыл бұрын
Volcomintality yea he was on point with It
@chris71mach1
@chris71mach1 8 жыл бұрын
Your assertion of the lack of intercooler on the manifold type blowers is somewhat inaccurate. They do have intercoolers, but they're air to water intercoolers that are located underneath the lower intake manifold taking up the space in the intake valleys.
@ElijahWash
@ElijahWash 9 жыл бұрын
One clean engine bay 👌👌👌
@jonnyjackson7260
@jonnyjackson7260 7 жыл бұрын
great video man!! very professionally explained liking the cobra as well
@shaunspengler5857
@shaunspengler5857 8 жыл бұрын
bro I love watching your videos and you have both my dream cars. Keep the videos coming
@picknclickMyPics
@picknclickMyPics 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the information. I have a 97 cobra and checking out Pro Charges Vs Super Chargers . Very informative on how it works. Now I know what I want to do. I think like you said daily driving the super charger would be more fun.
@johnbrowning1365
@johnbrowning1365 8 жыл бұрын
the innercooler is quite important for performance with the charger, you can get more air in the engine if its cool. remember cold air contracts, hot air expands. i love this stuff, i really do
@kevinho1922
@kevinho1922 9 жыл бұрын
Easiest video on the subject to understand on KZfaq :)
@gmcdenali7178
@gmcdenali7178 8 жыл бұрын
Wow, I'm glad I found this video. i didn't know all Prochargers are similar to turbos vs the superchargers on the ZL1.
@SonicSouz
@SonicSouz 8 жыл бұрын
So this is essentially a belt-driven turbo charger?
@manbob15
@manbob15 8 жыл бұрын
Yes
@jimmyduong08
@jimmyduong08 8 жыл бұрын
No. It's still belt driven.
@efini_fc4276
@efini_fc4276 8 жыл бұрын
yes, it's not exhaust-driven.
@mitch2992
@mitch2992 4 жыл бұрын
Mr sunshine you must not have watched the video lol
@duckduckandeby405
@duckduckandeby405 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Mr Sunshines 🌞 sorry, my comment to you, became way to long. And my point is written in the end, in the bottom of the text, so you can just jump over most of this, and just read my ending, Best wishes for and for all others reading this! I hope you are well, and your family, are happy with your life’s. ! I see you also commenting years after the video came out. So if I write something months after you wrote this, maybe you will see this. First excuse me for my English, it’s far away from my first language. So I have to use many of the words, that my iPad presenting for me, to choose from, I get often 3 words to put in, so if I have many words written wrong, it’s my iPad’s fault. But in the cases I actually was going to write the word Which, but the iPad came up with the word Witch. I got a problem, because if I tried saying those words, they sound the same. But I did know that one of them was the word for the women flying on their broomstick 🧹. But which was witch 🧙‍♀️. When you see me write so clumsy, sorry, try to understand what I wanted to say, I guess most of you are smart enough to understand that for a person who haven’t English as first language, or as mother tongue. It’s not as easy as you may think. For others, that are bilingual! You know it’s hard to learn a new language when we get older, the brain was only tuned to learn all languages in the world,. Ok now I have started on something completely different, and I took a completely wrong turn some place. Ok I see I repeat my self all to much in the text below. But I don’t bother to correct what I have written. Because Because that always end up with me delete the hole thing, and I must start over. Well son please I have corrected my self, you will see the results don’t do it better in any form or way. Hello Mr Sunshine 🌞 Not to prove you wrong or anything. But you either don’t understand how we think about this, or you do understand, but you will be a provocateur and will only point out that you have technical right, because Turbo Charges and prochargers are different. But you can’t say, with facts on your side that turbos and prochargers are completely different as you say. The technology is either belt driven ore the car’s ecosystem drive a impeller that compresses air, that’s being forced into the cylinder and that means the engine will get more air and therefore it’s possible to use more fuel in the cylinder, and that’s what gives the engine power, You know! The opposite of the engine gets the air forced in, the engine “sucks” the air in to the cylinder bay the action of the pistons goes down,. I would argue that the function of them both are the same, and from The impeller bit on a turbo, and a compressor and into the cylinder, they are almost as similar as it is possible to be, without be the same. So HOW WILL YOU ARGUE Will : that the function of a compressor and a Turbo are “completely different” as you stated, In what way are the Impeller’s function “completely different “ as you say When the compressor compress air with more force than what the engine managed to suck in by the mechanical action, The air and fuel ratio will have more volume than the engine that suck the air in, and the hole point with BOTH the compressor and the Turbo, is to press a bigger volume of air into the cylinder. The boost made by a turbo will first be truly useful, first after the engine has started to push out more exhaust that spins the fan and then the impeller will be most efficient the more exhaust being forced out of the engine and then spin the fan, and the impeller pushes even more air in, that make the boost go even more and more up. So technically if the parts would hold, the turbo engine makes more and more power the more we let the pedal stay on the floor. Therefore there must be wants that let the boost stop at a chosen “bar” I believe 6 to 10 pounds per square inch, and we cal that for psi. Using a turbocharger correct gives this result: We ad the atmospheric pressure to the boost, and the atmospheric pressure at sea level is 14’ psi, so as we can see The Turbo regulated to 10 psi, the turbocharger will then have over 100,000 RPM to achieve that kind of psi, But the result is what we are after, and we we can see how the Turbo almost put the double volume of air into the engine, so we the make the conclusion that the turbo almost Doubled the power of the engine. So how much boost does a normal supercharger make. Well a supercharger can spin at 40,000 to 70,000 rotation per minute, “RPM”. And the manufacturers say that high RPM makes between 6 to 7-8 to 9 PSI. Plus the atmospheric pressure. I would say the supercharger then almost doubled the engine power, at the same Psi level as a Turbo. In my book, it seems like both the Turbo and the Supercharger makes the same maximum effect. They so different that if we only could se both only from the air intake side, and block out the back half, (the drive side) I guess only you Mr Sunshine 🌞 would be able to see which was the Supercharger, and which is the Turbo. Car manufacturers uses many different words to describe these things. Mercedes Benz writes on their cars, Compressor. American cars uses supercharger for the same thing. Some write Turbo on the car, others use only T, for turbo as Audi, TDI. Again, others may think different and write not only Turbo, but they write the full function and That sounds almost like supercharger, not so alike after all, the write Turbocharger. So they both are this “charger” thing, but one write Super,, in front of the “charger” and the other write Turbo in front of this “charger “ The compressor h
@fatsmile77
@fatsmile77 7 жыл бұрын
Well done, and well said! I'm more of a daily spirit driving, and not much of a track or drag guy. I have my eyes on the VMP super chargers. I hope it's a good choice,
@christopherholt2558
@christopherholt2558 2 жыл бұрын
im debating on pro charging or twin scroll supercharging my infinit q70 with a 5.6l v8, what would you recomend
@Michagan_outdoorsman_James
@Michagan_outdoorsman_James 4 жыл бұрын
yooo where did you get the spark plug covers at?
@richardcetz7994
@richardcetz7994 2 жыл бұрын
hey Peter quick question. what vacuum line did you use to connect your boost gauge and the bov from the procharger. I have the same set up but not sure we're to put the t fitting from the bov and the boost gauge?
@davidrudolph1967
@davidrudolph1967 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, I drive a turbo car and the hit is violent but addictive. Can't you change pulley size to bring the boost on sooner with that Pro Charger?
@Trackattack.911
@Trackattack.911 9 жыл бұрын
can you help me out. I have a 1995 Chevy blazer 4x4 I'm not looking to make it really fast. I just want power a docent something simple to install my truck has a 350. witch super charger do you recommend and around how much money I'm looking at. thanks
@ByKareem
@ByKareem 3 жыл бұрын
Wow this is much more simple then I imagined great explanation to me I think of it as a turbo that runs off a pulley even tho it’s a supercharger just looks like a turbo so much
@johnfocic1258
@johnfocic1258 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks man , simple informative video👍🏿
@Topofthelinetommy
@Topofthelinetommy 8 жыл бұрын
Did you go to American Muscle this year?
@ashy_gee6
@ashy_gee6 9 жыл бұрын
Great 101 explanation of procharger? how are they typically cooled?
@robertortega32
@robertortega32 7 жыл бұрын
I had this set up on my 96 cobra but I had a vortech S trim I was fun but car never really ran to its potential My cobra was the same color I miss my car good video good explanation
@burntnugget1854
@burntnugget1854 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for helping me 7 years later
@MorbidThrasher666
@MorbidThrasher666 7 жыл бұрын
Where did you get that 4.6 cobra metal plate for your valve covers wire plates? Your engine bay is uber clean man,light years cleaner than mines,lol.
@natin2krazyhawaii389
@natin2krazyhawaii389 5 жыл бұрын
idk to be honest I have a K20 with the kraftweks charger. same set up and I get super low end boost and top end boost, I love this charger.
@knightingalesaid
@knightingalesaid 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thanks!
@sabrom
@sabrom 8 жыл бұрын
Nice to know you saved me much Moolah$$$$ ahead of time, thanks!
@tristancefail
@tristancefail 9 жыл бұрын
Cool that you're in Maine. I live and Mass.
@calvinmauney5669
@calvinmauney5669 5 жыл бұрын
Keene Bell is not a ROOT style blower but they are Positive displacement blower...
@duanebonney
@duanebonney 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining, Peter. Much appreciated.
@aadpcamaro
@aadpcamaro 9 жыл бұрын
Many twin screw/roots style superchargers do have an air to water heat exchanger beneath the blower from factory, but still can run into heat issues
@TheCheckerdboy777
@TheCheckerdboy777 9 жыл бұрын
Like inside the supercharger? Like if you take a twin screw supercharger off of the engine and hold it in your hands, would you be also holding the water cooling system too?
@johnmichael9354
@johnmichael9354 3 жыл бұрын
So specific info man💯
@atryeuu9226
@atryeuu9226 9 жыл бұрын
Great video bro
@jaden2790
@jaden2790 5 жыл бұрын
The reason you want cold air is because hot air particles expand wich means that only a certain amount of particles can fit into the combustion chamber meaning that when it gets ignited, it will not expand very much because it is already hot. But if it is cold the particles are compacted and when the combustion chamber ignites the air with the gas and spark plug the cold air will expand more and push the piston harder creating more performance. Their is very little chance that hot air will cause an engine to explode, it may overheat but not excessively. Without an intercooler you could probably get away with a 30 minute drive before you engine overheats and starts smoking. Just trying to be helpful, no hate. Thanks :)
@ivank20r
@ivank20r 9 жыл бұрын
im a import fan but bottom line anything fast is fun however this with a twin turbo kit would be sick on it
@burntnugget1854
@burntnugget1854 Жыл бұрын
Whats that kink by throttle body
@aliomer2716
@aliomer2716 9 жыл бұрын
What the name of the car ???
@alynromero8729
@alynromero8729 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. I have a question. Can you run high boost on Prochargers? Like on turbos 60+PSI?
@calvinmauney5669
@calvinmauney5669 5 жыл бұрын
No but there some that can reach 40psi but those support +3000hp
@levifilth
@levifilth 8 жыл бұрын
I've been looking for a turbo that runs off the engine power and BAM, Thanks Peter.
@jaden2790
@jaden2790 5 жыл бұрын
lol, good luck with the price man
@superbmediacontentcreator
@superbmediacontentcreator 6 жыл бұрын
According to the tech sheets, I've been reading the great advantage of the design is that the air is under low pressure but it is the speed of the air that provides the increase in the volume of air. You say it is compressing, do explain?
@skinnykills5428
@skinnykills5428 Жыл бұрын
Should’ve gotten some Morimotos or GTR Lighting bulbs. They have a better beam pattern in reflectors/projectors and use better LED chips.
@doceigen
@doceigen 8 жыл бұрын
A high latency system. There is a time delay between the engine demanding an increase in air flow, and being given it, by the length of the conduit as it comes from the cone filter, through the supercharger, down through the intercooler and up to the throttle body.
@rickyonthetrack
@rickyonthetrack Жыл бұрын
Well explained 👌👌👌✅
@emptybucket1988
@emptybucket1988 3 жыл бұрын
What engines can benefit from a Procharger
@tonybland8684
@tonybland8684 7 жыл бұрын
good job!!!
@7Joker7
@7Joker7 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks for giving me a more in-depth look into the Forced Induction field. I was personally thinking about Procharging my SuperBee, but after hearing your explanations and with it being my every dayer, I'm looking more towards Root application. Thanks again!
@jackryan4313
@jackryan4313 2 жыл бұрын
A SuperBee? That's cool af
@miles.a1.9
@miles.a1.9 6 жыл бұрын
Just a tip ...the word is centri .....fugal ....but each to his own
@207Snowboarding
@207Snowboarding 9 жыл бұрын
What part of Maine are you from? I'm from Maine also!
@207Snowboarding
@207Snowboarding 9 жыл бұрын
ohh. im from biddeford!
@richr909
@richr909 5 жыл бұрын
Damn what do you do for a living to afford both of those amazing cars?
@lolimzfunny
@lolimzfunny 9 жыл бұрын
Nice! You should make more videos on your off road toys, since the lambo is stored for the winter...
@Enzo187
@Enzo187 9 жыл бұрын
i agree!
@jessehaynes3930
@jessehaynes3930 9 жыл бұрын
I also agree. Garage tour? Lol or car collection
@lolimzfunny
@lolimzfunny 9 жыл бұрын
That would be awesome.
@waynebollentin989
@waynebollentin989 6 жыл бұрын
I do like procharger so don't take this the wrong way but Vortect does offer an intercooler and always has for years. The had one of the first racing intercooler back in the 90's called the Mono. It was located on top of the motor and was water cooled. They were big and kinda ugly but they worked. I know because I ran them. Also you don't need an intercooler on a street style supercharger set up. It doesn't put out near the heat of a race blower or turbo. That's why vortech did really push them back then on street kits. Do they help yes but it's just not as much as you think on a small unit. Unless your running more then 10psi it's not worth the money. Turbo cars yes it's a must at any boost level because of all the heat from exhaust. I just hate seeing people waste money on shit they don't need.
@user-od1dk1wy6k
@user-od1dk1wy6k 9 жыл бұрын
Good video!
@denisd1029
@denisd1029 6 жыл бұрын
Could you say basically any more ?
@Chadmorris90baby
@Chadmorris90baby 9 жыл бұрын
Someone who buys a root style blower can always add a Intercooler.
@emptybucket1988
@emptybucket1988 3 жыл бұрын
Love Shelby
@manuelflores542
@manuelflores542 9 жыл бұрын
U should make an Instagram! For your beasts
@roneman20
@roneman20 5 жыл бұрын
Very basic education, nice
@RiskOonTrading
@RiskOonTrading 9 жыл бұрын
love the videos, any reason you did not go with a Terminator?
@RiskOonTrading
@RiskOonTrading 9 жыл бұрын
Gotcha! Could always sell it and trade up! Best of luck
@RustyWells2
@RustyWells2 5 жыл бұрын
Word of advice go with a twin screw blower way better than the roots look into it you will see.
@JoshuaC0rbit
@JoshuaC0rbit 8 жыл бұрын
I'll bet it's a birch to change the oil. I suck my procharger oil out.
@efini_fc4276
@efini_fc4276 8 жыл бұрын
two things I don't understand with these.. 1- why do they get so hot? if it's not exhaust driven, I wouldn't think temps would be so high. 2- is it possible to mount this direct to the crank? why use belts?
@bttlemge432
@bttlemge432 8 жыл бұрын
1) with such efficiency to make boost compared to a positive displacement supercharger, there will be heat, that's why you typically see inter coolers with centrifugal supercharger 2) simplicity, you normally see direct crank centrifugal superchargers on drag cars
@GuytheCarGuy
@GuytheCarGuy 7 жыл бұрын
Intercoolers don't do anything for engine heat. They are not tied into the cooling system in any way. IF anything, they further increase under hood temps by 1) blocking frontal air flow, and 2) intercoolers serve to compress the air mass which ends up making more HP. The More HP you make, the more heat is produced as a by product. ProChargers make significantly more HP than most comparable trimmed roots or twin screw blowers. They also run at higher boost levels... which again, is moving a lot more total air volume (colder air + more boost) and the exhaust gets much hotter... mainly because the volume of air is greater + the power produced is greater. So, you have more heat and more heat carrying air.
@allenmitchell7861
@allenmitchell7861 6 жыл бұрын
Is it like.forced induction
@alexjdm2422
@alexjdm2422 5 жыл бұрын
This is forced induction. Since the engine uses something to shove more air into it, this is what you call forced induction. Turbos and the ,,normal” roots and twim screw superchargers are also parts that force air into the engine. The engines which don’t use these blowers are called naturally aspirated or NA.
@MrMASTERPLB5
@MrMASTERPLB5 9 жыл бұрын
All that work you might as well have run a TURBO
@marcellowheeler88
@marcellowheeler88 8 жыл бұрын
+Master Mario a lot more simple than a turbo lol
@MrMASTERPLB5
@MrMASTERPLB5 8 жыл бұрын
Marcello Wheeler​ If you say so, I saw you do all that work - I was Like gosh Lee .......... Let me go sit my tail down somewhere im tried
@marcellowheeler88
@marcellowheeler88 8 жыл бұрын
+Master Mario pro charger makes kits that are direct bolt ons. Most turbo kits will require some shop fabrication
@MrMASTERPLB5
@MrMASTERPLB5 8 жыл бұрын
Marcello Wheeler Yeah but you got pipes running here & there everywhere - got me dizzy. I dont know whats ....what........How this attaches to nothing etc. Too hard for me - good job though
@lefteris426
@lefteris426 6 жыл бұрын
Master Mario Yeah but turbos have way more lag
@urumax2003
@urumax2003 7 жыл бұрын
so you pretty much have 2 superchargers?
@CCMan34
@CCMan34 5 жыл бұрын
+urumax2003 lmao ur fuckin special
@bravo9890
@bravo9890 8 жыл бұрын
everything was right until you said roots was more street friendly... this is false because with centrifugal you are not in boost at a lower rpm
@cigaretteman5716
@cigaretteman5716 3 жыл бұрын
Dude didn’t even turn the engine on..BRUH
@rayblanco4477
@rayblanco4477 4 жыл бұрын
That's an engine not a motor.
@DJsProductions
@DJsProductions 8 жыл бұрын
i thought factory supercharged fords came with twinscrew superchargers
@DJsProductions
@DJsProductions 8 жыл бұрын
Peter Beattie's Garage thats not what i was saying i thought the ford vehicles that came from the factory supercharged had Twinscrew superchargers
@Tonythrust
@Tonythrust 8 жыл бұрын
+Gumby Nova later on they did. Lighting, terminators, gt500, gt40
@deannederhoff
@deannederhoff 8 жыл бұрын
Damn this is crazy.what used to be called a blower is now a super charger.what was a super charger is now a pro charger.can't anyone make up their mind lmao
@Pallehz
@Pallehz 8 жыл бұрын
superchargers were always called superchargers. Just nicknamed blower afterward and Procharger is a brand of supercharger, like: Magna, Kenne Bell, Whipple, Vortech and so on.. Can still be called a blower.
@deannederhoff
@deannederhoff 8 жыл бұрын
+Rudy Mechekoff no blowers were called blowers back when you could take a 671 off of a Detroit diesel and put it on a gas engine.don't know exactly how old you are but I never heard super charger until the belt driven turbo style came about.blowers were always the ones that sat on the intake
@Pallehz
@Pallehz 8 жыл бұрын
Dean Nederhoff Superchargers have always been called superchargers. Blower is a nickname for Supercharger. The only other thing people called Superchargers formally is compressor. I always call Superchargers, blowers but they have always been called Supercharger or compressors. Not sure exactly when "blower" became an informal term for Supercharger. as far as your "Superchargers being called Prochargers" statement goes; A Procharger is a Supercharger but a Supercharger isn't necessarily a Procharger. Procharger is just a brand. No one refers to any Supercharger as a Procharger, it has to be specific. Kenne Bell and Whipple specialize in Twin Screws and Magnuson and Eaton specialize in Roots type blowers and Procharger and Vortech specialize in Centrifugal blowers.
@GuytheCarGuy
@GuytheCarGuy 7 жыл бұрын
Well, in 1953, Studebaker was using centrifugal superchargers in some of their cars. In WWII, The P-38 Lightning had 2 turbo supercharged engines (yes, it had a turbocharger and a supercharger on each engine). So, the term "supercharger" is most definitely not new. I'm thinking your not knowing the lingo is likely a regional thing. I'm no spring chicken, but we've always called them superchargers in Florida. In parts of Canada, they call turbos "boosters." So, if your community calls them something different... eh? Dunno, but "supercharging" has been around in some form or fashion since the 1870s.
@Pallehz
@Pallehz 7 жыл бұрын
Guy Gordon motors with Turbo chargers and Superchargers on the same application is called "Twin Charged" Usually generates boost down low with the Supercharger and then switches to the Turbo in the later RPM band to keep a higher boost average through the power band. It's very expensive to Twin Charge a motor because of the complexity in tuning and installation.
@Chadmorris90baby
@Chadmorris90baby 9 жыл бұрын
Isn't a supercharger more safe than a procharger?
@marcellowheeler88
@marcellowheeler88 8 жыл бұрын
+Chad Lebre They are the same thing procharger is just the name company its technically a centrifugal supercharger. A roots style is safer but there are pros and drawbacks. Instant boost but parasitic loss and heat issues.
@tylortaylor9828
@tylortaylor9828 6 жыл бұрын
So a pro charger is basically a turbo then
@kentshuster8927
@kentshuster8927 5 жыл бұрын
Prochargers make more power than roots blowers and don't heat soak roots make instant power at lower rpm people don't let this guy confuse you people use methanol injection to keep denotaion to occur don't let this guy confuse you roots supercharged motor trend to heat soak my procharger is wild at mid range on up shut up dude
@Mr.Harris.
@Mr.Harris. 4 жыл бұрын
Explain further please?
@docdoc6231
@docdoc6231 8 жыл бұрын
apparently most of the people that commented on here don't know a damn thing about supercharging and turbocharging and doesn't know how aProCharger actually works and apparently his video wasn't that good of an explanation because he kept bringing it turbocharging a procharger is a centrifical supercharged system that is intercooled I cannot believe some of the stupid questions the people were asking do some homework car enthusiast I think the video was half Ass 2
@waynebollentin989
@waynebollentin989 6 жыл бұрын
Doc Doc I have to completely agree with you.
@BooRadley452
@BooRadley452 6 жыл бұрын
I would bet that both of you donated your milk money daily when you were kids. 😆
@cracker0190
@cracker0190 6 жыл бұрын
You ever heard of punctuation?
@waynebollentin989
@waynebollentin989 6 жыл бұрын
ken ruffin l was to poor to have milk money shit I couldnt even afford to pay attention why do you think l dont know what punctuation is
@Trackattack.911
@Trackattack.911 9 жыл бұрын
can you help me out. I have a 1995 Chevy blazer 4x4 I'm not looking to make it really fast. I just want power a docent something simple to install my truck has a 350. witch super charger do you recommend and around how much money I'm looking at. thanks
@MrLorneAdams
@MrLorneAdams 8 жыл бұрын
+Miguel Sanchez Sell it and buy a Camaro
@themechanicred
@themechanicred 8 жыл бұрын
+MrLorneAdams nobody wants a pos camaro stick with a truck man you'll go places that pos wishes it could go
@pizzasub3194
@pizzasub3194 7 жыл бұрын
MrLorneAdams Much rather have a truck. It's more reliable.
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