How does the Boeing 737 Bleed-air system work?!

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Why are Jet-engines essential in order for humans to be able to breathe in Aircraft, once they are above a certain altitude? How does the bleed-air and AC system work on an aircraft and how is it operated?
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@vivianisz761
@vivianisz761 3 жыл бұрын
I think I just struck gold here. This is more fun and understandable than reading books.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 3 жыл бұрын
So glad you think so! Enjoy!
@royalewithchz
@royalewithchz 3 жыл бұрын
Couldn’t agree more. I’m learning so much from this man.
@kamakaziozzie3038
@kamakaziozzie3038 Жыл бұрын
It is enjoyable and understandable. Nice presentation! For a jet turbine mechanic in training, you can’t beat a textbook.
@Ganosioskuprai
@Ganosioskuprai Жыл бұрын
Dont forget that Books possess their own value.😉
@NicholasRiviera-Dr
@NicholasRiviera-Dr 5 ай бұрын
@@kamakaziozzie3038this video is very general in nature and should be treated that way. If your studying how to fix these machines, stick to the text books. There are a couple of BOEING videos out there that are excellent for system description and operation
@robsteele2087
@robsteele2087 4 жыл бұрын
The red and green pillows are correctly oriented port and starboard.
@andraslibal
@andraslibal 4 жыл бұрын
That was something the viewers suggested :) we were very happy when they happened.
@XouZ88
@XouZ88 4 жыл бұрын
@@andraslibal It was his own idea as well since he had thought about that before anyone mentioned it.
@fistsofsteel5
@fistsofsteel5 4 жыл бұрын
lol. I didn't even notice that.
@ronakknikam
@ronakknikam 4 жыл бұрын
So stern would be us
@latware
@latware 2 жыл бұрын
@@fistsofsteel5 me too :)
@tassosanastasopoulos1206
@tassosanastasopoulos1206 4 жыл бұрын
Every time you say "as always" in a normal sentence I hear "I hope you're doing absolutely fantastic" in my head 🤣
@Volkswagenitalia.
@Volkswagenitalia. 4 жыл бұрын
Tassos Anastasopoulos The first time I watched a video, before I got used to his accent, I thought he was saying “As always, I will be doing absolutely fantastic.” Haha
@mattesrocket
@mattesrocket 4 жыл бұрын
having studied ...air conditioning I like this episode. And when I landed with my last flight weeks ago and outside looked back to the plane (or at boarding) I saw this openings for the heat exchanger and thought "what is that? that's a cool question for Mentour" but forgot it then. Shortly later, today... here we go! 👍 And thank you for the effort for all this graphics and pictures, that was a lot!
@shijudevarajan143
@shijudevarajan143 4 жыл бұрын
That means KZfaq learns to read your thoughts now
@technophant
@technophant 3 жыл бұрын
They need to add humidifiers
@mattesrocket
@mattesrocket 3 жыл бұрын
@@technophant there is not enough water on board for humidifiers but we could use water and pee from the toilet 🤔 🙄 😑
@dalegawne5286
@dalegawne5286 2 жыл бұрын
@@shijudevarajan143 google has been doing this for years
@NicholasRiviera-Dr
@NicholasRiviera-Dr 5 ай бұрын
@@mattesrocketyou are suggested to drink plenty of water while flying to combat the effects of dehydration
@qlemens6273
@qlemens6273 4 жыл бұрын
This video is a life saver! I'm gonna do my Aircraft General Knowledge ATPL exam next week and air conditioning was the one chapter i really struggled to understand. Until now. Thank you so much!
@henriklmao
@henriklmao 3 жыл бұрын
1:48 "And make it possible to breed inside of the Aircraft" 😂
@revenevan11
@revenevan11 3 жыл бұрын
Mile high club here we come! 🤪
@PauloGaetathe_original
@PauloGaetathe_original 4 жыл бұрын
One interesting fact about pressurisation that I read about is that this process of pressurising and de pressurising the aircraft is what makes most of the structural stress on the aircraft, so a plane that flies many short flights per day will get much more wear and tear than a plane flying long haul flights with more hours but only one pre/de pressurisation processes
@NicholasRiviera-Dr
@NicholasRiviera-Dr 5 ай бұрын
Sure but the aircraft are designed with that in mind. Some B737 do 5 or more sectors a day, which equates to many flight cycles over its life time
@mysock351C
@mysock351C 4 жыл бұрын
For what its worth the "dryness" at altitude is due to the _very_ low dew point of the air at 30,000 ft. Something like -40 degrees or so. If you take a wet napkin and hold it over the air vent at altitude, it will freeze quite rapidly since the air is so dry. The water separator in the air cycle machine is really only needed when you're closer to the ground and the dew point is high enough to condense inside the expansion section.
@CNder77
@CNder77 4 жыл бұрын
Went on a plane for first time and because of you and your videos I felt better about going. Thanks for being the awesome pilot you are and making these videos:) Thank you
@rogerhargreaves2272
@rogerhargreaves2272 4 жыл бұрын
It’s very complicated; but very well explained. Thank you for taking your time putting these videos together. RgY 👍💯
@muskiet8687
@muskiet8687 3 жыл бұрын
Just a clarification on the working of the packs.. The air cycle machine that cools the bleed air consists of a compressor and turbine. After a first heat exchanger, the air goes through the compressor so the temperature is raised before going through a second heat exchanger. This makes this heat exchanger more efficient because there is a higher temperature difference. Then it goes through the turbine to cool it back down, run the compressor and a fan that draws outside air over the heat exchangers because when it is sitting at the gate they need air flow as well. At this point the temperature can be below freezing so some bleed air can be routed to bypass the air cycle machine to keep it above freezing and keep any water in the air from icing up the system. This cold air is kept at a stable temperature that way and the system regulates cabin temperature by allowing more or less uncooled bleed air to mix with the cold air.
@st4rskream
@st4rskream 3 жыл бұрын
Do you work for Honeywell, Liebherr or Secan? You must work for one of them with such a good understanding of the whole system
@muskiet8687
@muskiet8687 3 жыл бұрын
@@st4rskream I'm an aviation maintenance technician (plane mechanic). I've worked on many different planes and systems.
@st4rskream
@st4rskream 3 жыл бұрын
@@muskiet8687 Similar to me although i work only on the bleed air systems for the A320, B747, F7X and A380.
@MikeyMcBryan
@MikeyMcBryan 4 жыл бұрын
I just have to say... that is one kickass thumbnail!
@privskorp.9865
@privskorp.9865 4 жыл бұрын
THANKS VERY MUCH FOR ALL THE INFO!
@rolandkronqvist1034
@rolandkronqvist1034 4 жыл бұрын
I don't know why I find "the smell of burnt bird" so funny. :D
@saxojon
@saxojon 4 жыл бұрын
It is little known that pilots need to have a top-notch olfactory sensory system. It's one of the first things you learn in aviation school, just like sommeliers who are trained to smell cork taint in wines. You have to smell different burned things and identify which one is the burnt bird. Failure to identify which smell is the burnt bird results in immediate expulsion.
@yatorke1761
@yatorke1761 3 жыл бұрын
You mean it startles your appetite?!
@rolandkronqvist1034
@rolandkronqvist1034 3 жыл бұрын
@@yatorke1761 Well... No. 😁
@MarioFischer22
@MarioFischer22 3 ай бұрын
Your video in 19 minutes, has more easy explanation than 1 month of class with my teacher at uni. Thanks from Brazil!!
@jbee1011
@jbee1011 4 жыл бұрын
Love your Port and Starboard pillows!
@frilime1710
@frilime1710 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you Mentour for the video, can you explain the effciency difference in the "old" bleed air system and the newer compressor driven air system? What level of fuel saving is between the two systems? Thank you again and have a great day.
@SsiolisP
@SsiolisP 4 жыл бұрын
Ahh! This explains the KFC smell in the cabin whenever engines swallow a bird.
@WELLINGTON20
@WELLINGTON20 3 жыл бұрын
It doesn’t explain it though you’ve just roasted yourself and you don’t know it
@SsiolisP
@SsiolisP 3 жыл бұрын
@@WELLINGTON20 not about to review this entire episode, but Mentour has explained it thoroughly. Hence my comment. You definitely must have missed it. Remember, you really must light the charcoal first if you are going to roast anything.
@Kooooyooooy
@Kooooyooooy 2 жыл бұрын
@@WELLINGTON20 it does - mentour himself literally said this is why you get a KFC smell (in another video)
@thaifoodtakeaway
@thaifoodtakeaway 4 жыл бұрын
Great video, I love the technical ones where you explain the details to the questions that come to mind when I fly in a 737
@beboboymann3823
@beboboymann3823 2 жыл бұрын
Your illustrations are always top notch and help your narrative immensely. Way to go!
@raffleschan6885
@raffleschan6885 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your videos. I'm a nervous flyer so learning more helps to make sense of everything that's going on. I think I've actually been converted to an aviation enthusiast (although the fear probably won't completely go away lol).
@billi996
@billi996 4 жыл бұрын
When you say burnt bird, I think of sunday lunch and the chicken in the oven, my missus is usually quite good at setting the oven timing
@FromtheWindowSeat
@FromtheWindowSeat 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. Very insightful. Really appreciated the animations as well. 👏
@e30mark
@e30mark 4 жыл бұрын
I have the pleasure of repairing parts of the bleed air systems, great to see how you use it. 👍
@deadfreightwest5956
@deadfreightwest5956 4 жыл бұрын
10:55: I remember back in the 70s riding with my brother in his Datsun 510 sedan trying to get up to Paradise on Mount Rainier. That poor car was gasping half way up the ascent, lol!
@mikebelanger4165
@mikebelanger4165 4 жыл бұрын
We used to call the ground ASUs (Air Start Units) "Huffers".
@julianarroupe
@julianarroupe 4 жыл бұрын
It is so nice to see you using footage from argentina in 2:22! SABE airport
@flyingark173
@flyingark173 4 жыл бұрын
You mentioned several times that the engines need bleed air to start the engines. I'd love to see a video about why that is, plus any other technical information about how jet engines work. I know there are several videos out there that dryly explain it, but it's just so easy to understand things the way you explain them. Thanks for the great video.
@johnfitzpatrick2469
@johnfitzpatrick2469 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation, very informative.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@darkprose
@darkprose 4 жыл бұрын
Planes are outstanding. Absolutely fantastic.
@ZimmMr
@ZimmMr 4 жыл бұрын
@mentour. Thank you so much!! I don't know if you saw that I texted you on your app's forum (and on few other videos) to make a please make a video like this one, I super appreciate you releasing it this week ! 🙂🙂🙂🙂 Your the best! .
@andrewpease3688
@andrewpease3688 4 жыл бұрын
Not air conditioning, life support. Its amazing how we trust technology to keep us alive in near space and even more amazing how rarely it fails.
@joet603
@joet603 3 жыл бұрын
Near space? Not even close
@andrewpease3688
@andrewpease3688 3 жыл бұрын
@@joet603 so where does near space start? It's a term I just made up.I can't find any reference to it. Outer space is reguarded as 100km +.
@Quasihamster
@Quasihamster 4 жыл бұрын
Q: How does the Boeing 737 Bleed-air system work?! A: It bleeds air into the Boeing 737.
@airfoxtrot2006
@airfoxtrot2006 4 жыл бұрын
Great video Mentour I enjoyed watching it, have a fantastic weekend my friend.
@aortoiliac
@aortoiliac 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative, one of your best. Thank you.
@ACCPhil
@ACCPhil 4 жыл бұрын
What you were saying about being able to identify which engine was affected by bird strike depending upon where the smell was. Well, I'm reminded of the Kegworth air crash in 1989. The captain having been used to a previous model of 737 assumed that the problem was in the right-hand engine due to the smell in the cabin. In fact the left-hand engine had thrown a blade. I'd guess that there is better training now when pilots move from one model to another. Although MCAS ...
@dreddwailing6395
@dreddwailing6395 4 жыл бұрын
It was a shame the captain got the blame for that, rather than the useless instrumentation.
@FrederickOpado
@FrederickOpado 4 жыл бұрын
2 days ago I ended up in that 737-900ER windowless 'window' seat. Thanks for letting me know why it exists
@CrazyPetez
@CrazyPetez 4 жыл бұрын
Many years ago, I flew from San Francisco to Honolulu in an OLD L1011. We could smell kerosene in the cabin for the entire flight. There were no mishaps, but I wondered how well maintained the old Lockheed had been. Good video👍.
@sagar4manutd
@sagar4manutd 4 жыл бұрын
You are such a gem. Love your dog.
@scottwilson7849
@scottwilson7849 4 жыл бұрын
Back in the 70's/80's it was popular to hand out candies during descent to help with ears popping. Question: Was air pressure manually controlled in those days? There seemed to be more abrupt changes in cabin air pressure. I don't even notice my ears popping in modern a/c. BTW, always great videos and massive amounts of interesting info.
@alexphillips4325
@alexphillips4325 3 жыл бұрын
I think it's a newer control system that takes external air pressure into account, instead of just having an extremely basic reactive control system for the outflow valve. It seems to me the older the plane the more abrupt the changes are as well. The automatic controls he describes follow a system of proportional ascent and descent when climbing and descending, whereas back then, they simply maintained a certain cabin altitude, descending rapidly with the descent once below 8000 ft, and ascending rapidly until 8000ft before it suddenly stops ascending.
@SofaKingShit
@SofaKingShit 3 жыл бұрын
I don't care about my own discomfort just anything to stop the babies crying.
@howebrad4601
@howebrad4601 Жыл бұрын
737s and a319 320 seem pretty good. The old dc9 used to always cause me ear discomfort. Those are old planes so that's maybe why
@rdvgrd6
@rdvgrd6 4 жыл бұрын
I’m glad newer aircrafts are getting away from bleed air system, it is too dry and easily prone to fume events which can be lethal in the long term especially for pilots and flight crew
@jordanrodrigues1279
@jordanrodrigues1279 4 жыл бұрын
The dry air problem is hard to solve because cruising altitude is so cold that there's very little water vapor in the outside air. Newer designs try to recover and recycle water vapor from the exhaust air. Or you can recycle more air, but that also retains carbon dioxide. (Not enough to be dangerous, but too much recycling is bad for cabin comfort.)
@davidwhite2011
@davidwhite2011 4 жыл бұрын
@Minella Mita How tough would it be to toss a few gallons of distilled water into the cabin?
@HobkinBoi
@HobkinBoi 4 жыл бұрын
@@davidwhite2011 I'd imagine they'd have enough water to humidify the air for the entirety of a flight.
@markg7963
@markg7963 4 жыл бұрын
The newer aircraft still have the same fundamental problem... outside air is super old and therefore carries very little moisture. When that air is subsequently warmed up the relative humidity is even lower. Doesn’t matter how the air got pressurized, it’s the source. Adding humidity would be possible by humidifier, but impractical weight to carry.
@LunarCavalier
@LunarCavalier 4 жыл бұрын
you have no idea how much this helped me, I'm going up for easa module 7 exam next month and this helped me a lot, thanks!
@JavaSQL
@JavaSQL 11 ай бұрын
Excellent appreciable content on bleed air, Petter. Much appreciated!
@kevinconvocar488
@kevinconvocar488 4 жыл бұрын
You are very intelligent am very proud of you Captain 😘😘😘
@uzaiyaro
@uzaiyaro 4 жыл бұрын
Ahh, air starters. Using a turbine to spin another turbine which starts the actual engine turbine. I love aviation.
@hugolafhugolaf
@hugolafhugolaf 4 жыл бұрын
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@EinkOLED
@EinkOLED 4 жыл бұрын
And then using the other engine to build up bleed duct pressure to cross start the other engine.
@JDJD-mw9rr
@JDJD-mw9rr 4 жыл бұрын
AND THEN using engine motive flow fuel pressure to move fuel from the tanks to the engines without needing to use the fuel boost pumps
@stephenbarringtonleigh367
@stephenbarringtonleigh367 4 жыл бұрын
And then using said bleed air to keep us all alive at 35,000 feet.
@everydayfixer8446
@everydayfixer8446 4 жыл бұрын
And then, taking some air from that process, which is way to hot to pump into the cabin as heat, and cooling it down to a point where it is way to cold to use as AC. AND THEN adding more hot air to it to make it the right temperature.
@VEINTYUNICO
@VEINTYUNICO Жыл бұрын
Nice you were in Argentina! been following your channel for last couple weeks, excellent work Peter!
@rekhachoudhury2723
@rekhachoudhury2723 4 жыл бұрын
A very useful topic and learned a lot. Thank you, Captain Petter. You have explained very well.
@pierre2105
@pierre2105 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Mentour, nice video ! Quick question: Would it be possible to re-moisture the cabin air ? Waking up during a long flight with your eyes, tongue and al completely dry is the worst feeling. thanks
@carlosladen
@carlosladen 4 жыл бұрын
Very good. I think it would be interesting to cover the British Midland Flight 92 accident, wich is related with wrong assumptions about the bleeded air source.
@AdhamNafea
@AdhamNafea 4 жыл бұрын
Another great video, loved the animation, Well done
@Pilotmoradi
@Pilotmoradi 9 ай бұрын
The best video ever on aircraft pressurization and system knowledge ! Thank you
@ikechukuchukumah6288
@ikechukuchukumah6288 4 жыл бұрын
Hi mentour, can you please do a video comparing the A220 family and the 737 family and what impact the success of the A220 have on the 737 especially the smaller variants of the 737.
@cruisemissle87
@cruisemissle87 4 жыл бұрын
When it smells of goose it's Christmas! 😍
@bobrice3957
@bobrice3957 2 жыл бұрын
If it smells of goose you have lost o e engine. Lol.
@Hoekstes
@Hoekstes 4 жыл бұрын
Scary AOA on that graph lol. Interesting video thanks!
@KellySmith4145
@KellySmith4145 4 жыл бұрын
Yet another great video. Absolutely fantastic.
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs
@WilliamJones-Halibut-vq1fs 4 жыл бұрын
I commend Boeing for its bleedless, all electric pressurization in the B787. If the bearing seals of the engines fail smoke from the engines enters the cabin. It’s carcinogenic and a neurotoxin. Happens a lot.
@Howrider65
@Howrider65 4 жыл бұрын
All I care about is that the damn things have no leg room..
@annatamparow4917
@annatamparow4917 4 жыл бұрын
H B Ryanair AND leg room? Not possible!
@mrmotel9977
@mrmotel9977 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! This is great information!
@AdrianBooth1
@AdrianBooth1 4 жыл бұрын
Hi mentour pilot, love your videos. I hope you're doing absolutely fantastic.
@arjunshah2451
@arjunshah2451 4 жыл бұрын
Mentour, you should do a video on all of the worst or out-dated systems on the 737-NG’s! Would love to know your opinion!
@Petertronic
@Petertronic 4 жыл бұрын
When I flew on a 737-200 as a child, the pain in my ears was excruciating.
@JoanManuelG25
@JoanManuelG25 2 ай бұрын
Thanks a million for these videos!
@harmattan77
@harmattan77 Жыл бұрын
best quality tutorial ever. thanks
@marsgal42
@marsgal42 4 жыл бұрын
Pressurized piston-engine planes usually get air from their turbochargers. I was just looking at a Cessna P210T that was in the shop who look after my plane. Nice plane, but the bill for the spar inspection was several times what my much-more-modest plane is worth.
@gordonrichardson2972
@gordonrichardson2972 4 жыл бұрын
Laura Halliday Interesting, I never thought about that!
@HolyHeinz
@HolyHeinz 4 жыл бұрын
35 Years ago, our Thermodynamics Professor shows us, that a jet-engine breathe the air of a tennis court per second (6 to 700 kg/m³)! Nower days it's up to 1,2 tonns of air per second... Thank you, for that very infiormative channel! Greetings from Germany !
@_entrxpy
@_entrxpy 3 ай бұрын
Americans will use anything but the metric system.
@melinda5777
@melinda5777 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video! It is very informative!
@gus9459
@gus9459 3 жыл бұрын
We`ve missed the doggies. :) Thank you, very instructive and the way you explained it makes it easy to understand.
@cockatoo010
@cockatoo010 4 жыл бұрын
The aiport at the city I live in has an elevation of 8300ft MSL. How does the cabin pressure curve looks like when an aicraft takes of from it?
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 4 жыл бұрын
It becomes a bit more complicated but essentially the same principle
@lzh4950
@lzh4950 4 жыл бұрын
At the world's highest airport (16,000', in China), I heard that pilots need to press a special button in the cockpit to stop the oxygen masks from deploying when the plane has reached it's gate & airport staff open the aircraft's doors (since at that altitude the atmospheric pressure is so low, the aircraft would otherwise think it had depressurised)
@HelloKittyFanMan.
@HelloKittyFanMan. 4 жыл бұрын
"It uploads air," haha!
@siddmark123
@siddmark123 Жыл бұрын
This was very informative. Thanks
@victorwong3311
@victorwong3311 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you; I always wondered why ear pops when changing altitude above 10,000 feet if cabin was pressurized
@garreth123
@garreth123 4 жыл бұрын
@Mentour Pilot: Often when I'm sitting in last rows of a plane, I can smell burnt fuel when engines are started. When I get places in the front I never have that sensation. Could you tell me why this could happen? If feel that it is connected with the things you discussed in this video. Thanks!
@sharoncassell9358
@sharoncassell9358 Жыл бұрын
At the beginning the APU starts to assist engine start thus smell. Or do you mean after takeoff when engines are already running and airbourne?
@Jonathan-wc2dk
@Jonathan-wc2dk 4 жыл бұрын
What happens when the seal on the turbine shaft starts failing? Does everyone breath in atomized turbine oil? Is there a way to monitor air quality on board?
@brentbeacham9691
@brentbeacham9691 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. No.
@maximbatov9947
@maximbatov9947 3 жыл бұрын
That's possible with older engine types, like JT8 D for example. Newer engines, like cfm56 in 737s were designed with bearing sumps sealed with multiple labyrinth seals, pressurized with air to keep lubricating oil inside. If any leak occurs, it will be drained from the sump overboard. Maint crew will notice increased oil consumption, nothing more.
@bobrice3957
@bobrice3957 2 жыл бұрын
It smells of old socks. If it occers the crew will shut off the bleed on the affected engine. They will then open the crossfeed valve and feed the packs from the other engine. But, yes, it is rare as the air in the compressor section is at a higher pressure than the bearing housings so tends to leak into the housing pushing any oil inwards.
@NicholasRiviera-Dr
@NicholasRiviera-Dr 5 ай бұрын
@@bobrice3957cross feed is for fuel. Cross bleed is for air
@barneygoogle2720
@barneygoogle2720 4 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video. Clear explanation of bleed air system
@yvonnejacko5644
@yvonnejacko5644 2 жыл бұрын
I just started watching this guy. He's absolutely amazing 👏
@plzbgaming
@plzbgaming 4 жыл бұрын
Me from a week ago: mentor ur a 737 pilot why is a 777 in ur intro Mentor: takes away the 777 on the vertical stabilizer Me now: it’s still a 777...
@jaroslavsevcik3421
@jaroslavsevcik3421 4 жыл бұрын
Actually I see it as a common airplane because @Mentor wants to unite aviation. You can notice that he more often talks about other airplanes, not only his favorite 737.
@bierce716
@bierce716 4 жыл бұрын
You perfectly describe why flight is so miserable for me... I am sensitive enough that I develop problems as low as 5,000 feet- when visiting family in the West I had to have my wife drive because crossing the Rockies was hell. So for me, cruising at an effective 8,000 feet is physically debilitating for hours at a time.
@Uluc994
@Uluc994 Ай бұрын
If there’s only one source to prep for the cadet pilot interviews I would choose mentourpilot… Thank you so much Petter, you helped me immensely in the interviews
@sharphillfilms9438
@sharphillfilms9438 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Starting my B737 TR soon and this helps a lot, thumbs up!
@matthewlilly7668
@matthewlilly7668 3 жыл бұрын
Yes thank you for the info!!!
@AlessandroGenTLe
@AlessandroGenTLe 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Petter, why, during the startup of the engines (or at the beginning of the taxi phase) often a strong smell of jet fuel invades the cabin? Is this caused by the bleeding? Isn't the fuel injected valley of the compressor?
@danielrose1392
@danielrose1392 4 жыл бұрын
On low power settings while standing still jet engines tend to recirulate air. Meaning the air is pushed out at the back and some of that air is sucked back in at the front. Combined with some incomplete combustion during startup, you might smell jet fuel.
@AlessandroGenTLe
@AlessandroGenTLe 4 жыл бұрын
@@danielrose1392 Thanks Daniel! It makes sense!
@pawelpablo898
@pawelpablo898 4 жыл бұрын
So many times passengers pressing callbels and asking the crew why there is this smell. Sometimes they turn on bleed air too fast after startup :)
@FRDRCE
@FRDRCE 4 жыл бұрын
I was thinking of this same smell I experienced a while ago. Smells like burnt kerosene!
@johno9507
@johno9507 4 жыл бұрын
@@FRDRCE It is burnt kerosene, that's basically what JetA fuel is.
@kanthikiiran
@kanthikiiran 4 жыл бұрын
What if the heat exchanger and air conditioning fail? Will the hot bleed air be passed into the passenger cabin?
@e30mark
@e30mark 4 жыл бұрын
No hot bleed air will get into the cabin, there are shut off valves to regulate and isolate the bleed air.
@kanthikiiran
@kanthikiiran 4 жыл бұрын
@@e30mark thanks for clearing my doubt 👍
@hardrockuniversity7283
@hardrockuniversity7283 4 жыл бұрын
Whoever does your graphics is very good. A+
@jaydow9528
@jaydow9528 Жыл бұрын
Really amazing content! The information you gave really had me engaged and I learned a lot. Thank you!
@Palpatine001
@Palpatine001 4 жыл бұрын
8:23 burnt bird. Last vid that talked about Bird Strike said "smells like KFC" :-P
@JayStClair-mh5wv
@JayStClair-mh5wv 4 жыл бұрын
Petra, I recently watched a 60 Mins segment in which they discussed this very topic of the bleed air system. In this interview they talked with several pilots who are suffering from various illnesses that they claim are in direct connection to breathing this engine bleed air. From watching this I got the impression that this air is not tested and the filtration process is not nearly as effective as the airlines and manufacturers claim. Do you have any input? Have you seen this program? I am quite concerned about breathing this air and more importantly concerned for the flight crews.
@MentourPilot
@MentourPilot 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, that’s a different video
@mattesrocket
@mattesrocket 4 жыл бұрын
I have the feeling, that at this topic there is a lot of missunderstanding. My perception is the following: The air does not get polluted by the system directly, by the construction or the components themselves. The problem is the air all around the aircraft while standing at the gate: When it's standing there and the APU (Auxiliary power unit) at the tail is running it creates such a polluted air and when then the wind carries this directly into the cabin via open doors or the starting air conditioning then we get the very bad air inside, the same when the main engines starts and the plane is still standing, and the engines are running slowly and therefore the exhaust gases aren't yet blown so strong away but get blown by the wind (if it comes from behind) directly to the entrance of the engines where this exhaust gases are sucked in again and goes then in parts into the cabine... so it's just the bad exhaust air around the engines that gets sucked in again or simply comes in by the open doors, but it's not the construction itself getting the air from the engines compressors. I saw all this very often, when I was flying, even the last time: I had to enter the plane at the rear door, people jamming, I had to stop 1 step outside the rear door, the APU was running and strong wind blew the exhaust fume directly into my face (and into the open door into the cabin), I had to stop breathing, had the feeling breathing in directly the exhaust fume would be very bad, hardly couldn't breath. The bad thing: before me was a father with a baby. I had this once even more extrem because it was very stormy and both doors were open at boarding and the very strong wind somehow very directly brought all the exhaust fume from the APU into the cabin and the bad air was getting worse and worse inside and (I am also a bit sensitive) had the feeling I hardly couldn't breath anymore properly and bording went so slowly, so it was for long, and I thought why the hell don't you close one door, the rear door near the APU that the wind can't push in the air. That I might be right with my theory could be maybe proofed because all this bad air situations always stop after a couple of minutes after we are in the air, so then the wind can't push bad exhaust fume anymore through the doors or towards the entrance from the engines. For me it's a tragedy for the crews, that have to breath in every day this dirt. Why can't they start the APU later or at least leave the rear door closed when the wind is coming from behind, why not placing the plane always in that direction into the wind (at "open field standing places") that the wind is not coming from behind, is the health of people not worth this bit of complications that would come along with this methods? Would like very much to know form @Mentour Pilot if my technical suggestion is right.
@JayStClair-mh5wv
@JayStClair-mh5wv 4 жыл бұрын
@@MentourPilot Great. I look forward to that video. I am a Patreon customer of yours and support your channel. I find it easier to communicate with you on KZfaq as opposed to the app simply because my phone is old and doesnt support your app to well. None the less...thank you for all that you are doing for aviation.
@ajg617
@ajg617 4 жыл бұрын
Interesting video. Regarding smoking, I flew on props and jets in the '50s and '60s and don't recall being overwhelmed by smoke - the cabin seemed to clear pretty quickly and most smokers were in a lounge area. There were ashtrays in the arm rests even back on the DC6s I flew on but I rarely noticed anyone smoking near me. Not sure if the DC8 or 707 used bleed air for pressurization but believe they took in a bit more outside air as did the DC9. Aside from that, the number of 'fume' events related to the bleed air seals seems to be increasing - for some reason affecting certain airlines more than others.
@jaxcell
@jaxcell 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir, always appreciate your learned skills.
@billi996
@billi996 4 жыл бұрын
Why is the captain always sat on the left seat
@RazvanMaioru
@RazvanMaioru 4 жыл бұрын
It's the other way around in helicopters, though. I've always wondered why that is.
@FerrySwart
@FerrySwart 4 жыл бұрын
You were talking in this video how you can detect which engine is hit by a bird by where the smell comes into the hull the first. But there are several crashes happened where the pilot shuts down the wrong engine. Also because they cannot see the engines from the cockpit. What i was always wondering is why there are no camera's pointed to critical aircraft parts like the wing edges, landing gear, engines and rudder. In case of a problem the cockpit crew can put the image on one of the screens?
@stewiegriffin9218
@stewiegriffin9218 4 жыл бұрын
cameras sound impractical, also they'd need deicing and what not, so in essence u're introducing more problems than u're solving
@hugolafhugolaf
@hugolafhugolaf 4 жыл бұрын
@@stewiegriffin9218 A Goprto type of cam in a shatterproof glass enclosure is likely not a big deal. To retrofit, yes. To implement in the design phase, no.
@FRDRCE
@FRDRCE 4 жыл бұрын
Some asian airliners already have external cameras so passengers can see above/under the plane. This makes sense to have cameras pointing at the wings/engines
@rickyhall7514
@rickyhall7514 4 жыл бұрын
Or the crew can just look out a window. If there's something abnormal, there's generally passengers that are also keen enough to alert the crew. But often with bird strikes, it's not visibly apparent which engine was stuck. So a camera isn't necessarily helpful anyhow.
@GaiusCaesarAugustusGermanicus.
@GaiusCaesarAugustusGermanicus. 4 жыл бұрын
Weight and the most important maintenance cost. Flight attendants and flight engineers can perform the same function a camera can.
@TheGibby3340
@TheGibby3340 3 жыл бұрын
The physics behind the operation of an air cycle machine (pack) are fascinating. Hot bleed air in...cool/cold air out. And all done without a refrigerant! Very clever manipulation of pressure and temperature with some heat exchangers along the way. Interesting piece...Cheers 👍
@rishavnandi6697
@rishavnandi6697 Жыл бұрын
Just a bit more specific, Air cycle machine is one system inside the PACK. PACK(Pressurisation Air Conditioning Kit) is also responsible to recycle the stale air in a regulated airflow to maintain Pressurisation
@NicholasRiviera-Dr
@NicholasRiviera-Dr 5 ай бұрын
@@rishavnandi6697I never knew what the acronym PACK stood for 😅 You are correct that the ACM is just one part of the PACK system. However, l’m not sure what you mean by it’s responsible to recycle the stale air?
@jsorbieus
@jsorbieus 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation!
@LilYeshua
@LilYeshua 4 жыл бұрын
One plane I boarded had smelly jet fuel fumes in the cabin until they started something up.
@gnranger
@gnranger 4 жыл бұрын
The smell is from the Ramp
@LilYeshua
@LilYeshua 4 жыл бұрын
@@gnranger but from inside the cabin????
@U20101954
@U20101954 4 жыл бұрын
10:08 yeah thats why everyone is breathing fart at the back end of a long haul flight, first class or not😂
@AayushGore-
@AayushGore- Ай бұрын
I like the fact he uses red green cushion like red green wing end strobe lights on a plane ! ✈️ ❤😂
@richardc1983
@richardc1983 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this video it's excellent!
@bobbob5570
@bobbob5570 4 жыл бұрын
so what happens if both engines set on fire? where does air come from?
@bobbob5570
@bobbob5570 4 жыл бұрын
Lancashirelad ty:)
@jimmym3352
@jimmym3352 4 жыл бұрын
doesn't matter as your plane falls out of the sky and you die. :) As mentioned the APU, he mentioned it at the start of the video, but didn't really go into it.
@Inkling777
@Inkling777 4 жыл бұрын
The 787 approach is better. When you make pressurization and climate control independent of bleed air from the engines, you can also do a better job of controlling the temperature and humidity.
@gordonrichardson2972
@gordonrichardson2972 4 жыл бұрын
Controlling the humidity requires a source of pure water. Such a system was proposed, but never implemented on the B787.
@NicholasRiviera-Dr
@NicholasRiviera-Dr 5 ай бұрын
@@gordonrichardson2972as far as I am aware there are 3 humidifiers on the B787
@georgegarcia566
@georgegarcia566 4 жыл бұрын
One of your best videos 👌
@paulmurphy42
@paulmurphy42 4 жыл бұрын
Well done as always
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