How Donkey Kong Works and how Project M OVERTUNED Him

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Күн бұрын

After a year of research, in what could be the final character deep dive series, I go into painstaking detail about the pros and cons of Donkey Kong in Super Smash Bros Melee, and how he can actually be a good character. Then I go into the series of buffs given to him in Project M, buffs that would ultimately make him a top tier.
Donkey Kong Cookbook: cookbook.gg/Donkey%20Kong/rec...
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Introduction: (00:00)
Melee Neutral: (00:20)
Melee Punish: (04:13)
Melee Offstage: (10:44)
Project M: (13:05)
Conclusion: (19:51)
Songs Used: DK Rap, Jungle Japes, 3DS DK Jungle, Busted Bayou
Sources:
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Rishi
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TheBalc
Project M Theatre
Edited by Z: / zactrone
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@arJunebugSmash Жыл бұрын

For anyone who is asking: my melee DK will be active until at least August 2023 in tournaments, I wanna try a couple majors with the guy before I put up my gloves :) After that, I will still play the character, but I won't be fiending for events as much like I was this year. The Kong will never die! Edit: yeah so much for this lmao

@smackssbm1256 Жыл бұрын

I'd be curious to see you push another character with potential. How about Mewtwo... ? In any case, thanks for all the work you've put into DK. I feel like you've significantly contributed to showcase how effective the char could be, when the neutral and gameplan are well put together. There are still hurdles, but you've definitely shown they're nowhere near as high when you're good enough. Also, I love Moe. He's made some strides as well.

@joeess517 9 ай бұрын

@@smackssbm1256i mean leffen ruled over europe with Mewtwo if you wanna look into his laddering

@josephhelder4084 9 ай бұрын

Yo thank you for all the hard work on this character. Watching your Big House run was like being a kid again!! Who knew the Kong could do it!?

@Dzuh 6 ай бұрын

for anyone who finds this video now/later, junebug played dk all year and got rank 40 in the world! had a crazy run to top 16 of big house 11 with wins over a couple top 25 players (and a couple top 100 players)! he is simply the goat i think

@Liimbozo Ай бұрын

@@joeess517 That's honestly a skill diff. Mewtwo is not very good.

@vvlaze Жыл бұрын

So glad you brought up the four multishining Falco’s. He’d been getting away with summoning them for too long.

@tangerinepaint3643 Жыл бұрын

is it fitting or ironic considering spamming down-b to complete -15 minute- 100 man melee is how people unlocked Falco.

@vvlaze Жыл бұрын

@@tangerinepaint3643I never even thought of that, oh my god

@MothFable Жыл бұрын

DK is literally a Diablo necromancer.

@SimbyDimby Жыл бұрын

@@tangerinepaint3643 100 man melee but yes. This. Mewtwo neutral-B on the edge for 15 Minute Melee

@ex-x7079 Жыл бұрын

Imagine if D.K could jump cancel Down B. He'd be crazy.

@ennisshabab9557 24 күн бұрын

Coming back to this after a recent melee win

@arJunebugSmash 6 күн бұрын

Hell yeah

@ennisshabab9557 6 күн бұрын

@@arJunebugSmash pls make more p+ videos that shit got me into the whole scene.

@ssjmura1654 3 күн бұрын

Seeing you do so well has inspired me to pick up the monkey, if only for the memes. How do you feel about uncharged punch? I've been throwing out stuff like 3 winds and it catches people off guard a lot and it still kills a lot of the time.

@malignantpootis213 Жыл бұрын

The perception of Melee's cast over the span of its 20+ year life in competitive tournaments has been through one of the most remarkable evolutions as a fighting game.

@davebob4973 Жыл бұрын

im waiting for kirby to become viable

@pon3d120 Жыл бұрын

@@davebob4973Be the change you wish to see.

@FlamingZelda3 Жыл бұрын

@@pon3d120 lmao

@malignantpootis213 Жыл бұрын

@@davebob4973 Play smash 64. Problem solved

@davebob4973 11 ай бұрын

@@malignantpootis213 smash 64 is for dweebs. i am also a dweeb

@PennyFizz Жыл бұрын

i haven't been this excited about a Donkey Kong video since Rishi released his magnum opus

@scotthaddlesey3188 Жыл бұрын

this dude never watched the donkumentary

@wusstunes Жыл бұрын

I can't believe it's finally here

@iudking3589 Жыл бұрын

Preforming for you

@quinndepatten4442 Жыл бұрын

The 9 wind being stronger is a really elegant piece of game design. It rewards you for paying attention. I think that's why they kept it that way. With the full wind you're paying a direct cost of time charging -> move power, but with the 9 wind, you're paying to cost of not only the time charging, the precision of cancelling at just the right time.

@quarium5681 Жыл бұрын

Its a purposeful design desicion, thats why it has stayed even up to ultimate (I think there might be a tip for it in Ult as well?)

@jakefromstatefarm6969 10 ай бұрын

@@quarium5681it's also how Roy's neutral b in ult works as well

@15MinuteUpload Ай бұрын

@@jakefromstatefarm6969 yes this now true for many charge moves as far as I know, for instance the last stage before full charge of the bite portion of corrin's neutral B does more knockback but slightly less damage than the full charge, which allows you to choose between more knockback vs more damage depending on the situation with a slight skill check of getting the timing right

@cstick2664 Жыл бұрын

The limitations of P+ beginning its development and giving initial character designs in like 2010. When the meta of melee, which I bet they used as a starting point for many characters, was so completely different.

@arJunebugSmash Жыл бұрын

Very good point!

@prophetedubaroque5136 Жыл бұрын

And then there's yoshi that got a weird meixture of melee and brawl that ends up hurting him more than anything.

@sentientmeat96 Жыл бұрын

@@prophetedubaroque5136? Yoshi is extremely good in P+

@prophetedubaroque5136 Жыл бұрын

@@sentientmeat96 really? That's not what I've seen but perhaps. I mean he does have great moves

@sentientmeat96 Жыл бұрын

@@prophetedubaroque5136 yeah i think it's his strongest iteration. there r lots of reasons but my opinion aside, ShinyZubat used to mess top players up w Yoshi

@the_bookworm8281 Жыл бұрын

PM DK is basically what happens if you combine Melee and Brawl DK, predicted the future on SSB4 DK stuff, and then inject a massive dosage of steroids on top of everything for one of the strongest heavies ever invented in Smash.

@Mogswamp 9 ай бұрын

8:23 - 8:47 This was such a good summary of all the reasons I main DK

@generamana 6 ай бұрын

nice to find mogswamp on one of my favorite videos

@sophisticatedsheep8178 4 ай бұрын

Why is the Minecraft guy here

@timmasters1195 Жыл бұрын

What kind of a KZfaq Smash creator not only admits their personal bias but shows multiple clips of themselves getting mixed by DK? Seriously, great video. Sometimes it feels like DK is the last PM character in P+. But also Mario.

@deep_cuts2019 Жыл бұрын

Man I’m loving this melee DK renaissance. So much good DK content recently

@zachsteiner Жыл бұрын

Hope this doesn’t mean you’re done playing DK. Out of every character you’ve played I think your DK has by far been the sickest. I think you have the potential to take him super far. I absolutely loved watching your recent performances. You’re so fucking good man. That match against Adwan at Collision 2023 has been one of my most rewatched sets.

@monorail0 Жыл бұрын

I want to point out how this was a fantastic in-depth primer of DK's kit. Every character could benefit from having a concise overview of setups, combos, etc in this style.

@Nin10doh98 Жыл бұрын

Wait a second, this isn’t a Zach Honest video being posted in r/SSBPM... THIS IS A JUNEBUG VIDEO IN MY SUB BOX!

@Shingoway Жыл бұрын

Loved it. You mentioned that the P+ patch aimed to nerf recoveries across the board, and I was wondering what other philosophies and principles the dev team used when it came to rebalancing the cast as some of the changes I don't completely agree with.

@arJunebugSmash Жыл бұрын

That's fair, I disagree with some of them too! The full changes are on projectplusgame.com iirc but I know some of the justification from conversations I've had with dev members

@eeveewithcoffee9554 Жыл бұрын

I feel like DK and Pikachu are like Slowbro from RBY. They aren’t better than anything above them but they’re better than anything below them. They’re like the wall between the mid/low and high/top tiers

@byrne1807 Жыл бұрын

I feel like peach is the one who’s traditionally played that role in melee, she beats every character below her and loses to every character above her. She has a few close ones, like falco above and Samus below, but ultimately I think she’s the gatekeeper more than anyone else in melee. She kinda just outboxes all the bad characters and gets outsped by all the good ones

@user-nm9yd4wq4s Жыл бұрын

why do people keep comparing things to the RBY gen 1 meta game? Of all meta games on Showdown too? It's such a random metric for comparison. Is the format that popular?

@sleevebox3352 Жыл бұрын

the tier list bouncer

@jessehunter362 Жыл бұрын

@@user-nm9yd4wq4st’s small roster and well-aged metagame lend it to comparisons with melee well.

@5gods Жыл бұрын

honestly we don't just need guides we also need daily Junebug monkey rampage highlights :)

@YoutubeCommonman_Totas 7 күн бұрын

The way you describe down b makes me think of Yu gi oh. "I use Down-B, which allows me to summon four Multishining Falcos to the battlefield!"

@SSB_Seal Жыл бұрын

As impressive as all of your "I'm playing this character to make a video about it" results have been, the DK especially has just been incredible to witness. Great video as always and looking forward to whatever is next!

@jonathanc3001 9 ай бұрын

Here after you placed 13th at Big House 11! Keep up the great work with the monke!

@meleekat Жыл бұрын

this is huge tysm my goat

@wakeHSR Жыл бұрын

I just wanted to say this video is so goddamn good. The timing of Dk's showing up in more tournaments is perfect for this videos release. Also your perspective is invaluable and as someone that only watches melee its really sick for someone to break down what makes DK tick. I really hope this isnt the last one you do as I really love this series.

@turndownforwalt Жыл бұрын

You sounded really good in the DK rap June I hope you consider a career in music

@napstackzz 10 ай бұрын

The editing on this is so good, awesome video!

@TastyCarcass Жыл бұрын

I believe aerial up b is 4 frames of invincibility as it happens on frame 2, 3, 4, and 5. Insane move! Awesome video btw

@dattemay0 Жыл бұрын

better not be any clips of me getting combod in here

@arJunebugSmash Жыл бұрын

not this time :)

@Bladieblah Жыл бұрын

Great video, you keep getting better at making these. The jokes were so good, especially at the start

@orbitalape Жыл бұрын

Kongtent is here we are so back baby

@memenatsuki2577 Жыл бұрын

7:56 the head nods followed by the opponent rolling his eyes and shaking his head. Lmao

@x9x9x9x9x9 Жыл бұрын

Its finally here! I have been waiting for this.

@Tuckzelda Жыл бұрын

great video, adding the little stango interview to keep up with the P+ scene today was a nice touch. DK is BUSTED!

@kingjacko302 Жыл бұрын

So excited for this one :)))

@awareclueless Жыл бұрын

DK has become one of my go to play for fun characters when Im not in the mood to tryhard and I gotta say you, rishi and ringler have made a great part to this decision. Love how much I learn about this character!

@isaacn4487 Жыл бұрын

amazing video as always junebug, these are so wonderful :)

@arJunebugSmash Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much!

@meleesadposts Жыл бұрын

SAY IT OUT LOUD I LOVE YOU DONKEY KONG

@tyjle Жыл бұрын

Such a good video. Thanks for all the hot tips, gotta pick up the monke

@VisaCardholder Жыл бұрын

Sounds hot. Can't wait to see it.

@miguelsi7543 Жыл бұрын

💯💯💯

@VisaCardholder Жыл бұрын

I saw it. Was hot.

@mewnessbro Жыл бұрын

You're actually so good at making content Junebug god damn

@00Krohnos Жыл бұрын

Damn that eyeroll at the end must have been so satisfying to watch back for the first time. I dream of causing these moments.

@TheAmazingMrSloop Жыл бұрын

I absolutely love this series, and this edition is no exception. The Junebug DK arc has been one of the best melee storylines of the past year and this video is a treat of a final product. Though I will say that the rumor mill foretold that there could be one more deep dive arc that could involve one young hero of time, and I am absolutely in support of that if it were to happen! Regardless, thanks for the work put into this video!

@t3cchan Жыл бұрын

The comedic timing on this video is so fucking good. I loved every second of it

@miamira1856 Жыл бұрын

The amount of dedication you put into these videos is unreal! I totally understand if you never want to do another one but I'd love to see Link as he's going through a minor revolution of his own

@CarlosPerez-jv2fz Жыл бұрын

That intro rap tho, you might be in the XXL freshman class this year

@grobtongles 4 ай бұрын

this is both the best dk guide and the funniest shit i've ever seen. good thing i just got melee, it's tax season

@VerbDoesStuff Жыл бұрын

I really do love how every single pronunciation of “Donkey Kong” on the internet has become Dunker’s voice

@ryana3601 Жыл бұрын

Love your pm/p+ would be cool to see one abt lucario since he's so crazy now (esp compared to mainline)

@Miphos 7 ай бұрын

Top tier vid! Will there be one on Yoshi eventually? ❤

@baileyayyy5085 9 ай бұрын

congrats on the big house 11 turnout and sincerest thanks for the flood of inept dks washing over my online sets

@arJunebugSmash 9 ай бұрын

Any time!

@rexthereptile2492 Жыл бұрын

great vid as always

@alb7466 Жыл бұрын

Ty for the brawl minus mention, love that mod

@virgiebabie6903 Жыл бұрын

So, wait… if PM DK, a grappler with a bit of every option, really good mobility, consistent combos, etc. is considered borderline OP… what about other characters with similar designs like Charizard? Does that say much about them in this meta as well, or is this mostly just a Donkey Kong thing?

@EliTheGleason Жыл бұрын

Intro is funky

@professorpick 8 ай бұрын

This legit makes me want to play DK and reminds me how beautiful melee is. There is always something I didn't know

@bibbyboxx2219 Жыл бұрын

Amazing video!!!

@key_mochi Жыл бұрын

This video is like is Scar had a commentary track over "I Killed Mufasa". Sick showcase and analysis, man.

@kkoolade3882 6 ай бұрын

OMG Subscribed😍!!

@flarpssb304 Жыл бұрын

14:34 There I am Gary!

@snakeoilsalesman7743 Жыл бұрын

YESSS IVE BEEN SO EXCITED FOR THIS VIDEO

@StudebacherHoch Жыл бұрын

Love to see another Junebug video come across my feed.

@klarekeum7330 Жыл бұрын

Yooooo THE BEAST WILL SHINE

@mauricesteel4995 Ай бұрын

Multishine!with 4 Falcos!

@AsherCaldwell 4 ай бұрын

Bowser next?

@JforJonas Жыл бұрын

Love these vids! A heads up; your mic is clipping quite a bit. If you're interested, I'd love to help with your mic setup. I got a degree in audio and have helped a bunch of other content creators as well

@GoldDragon20 Жыл бұрын

You should try HDR DK. Man’s a menace He’s PM DK with a barrel that functions similarly to Kragg Rock

@NightGhost-qs6yw Жыл бұрын

Wait does this mean no more junebug dk runs in melee? :(

@kiracite Жыл бұрын

Some of my favorite content

@x9x9x9x9x9 Жыл бұрын

Since we are allowing all these weird changes to melee with boxes and phobs and what not I think we should just go in and buff low tiers. I just wanna use SDRemix pichu, mario, and game and watch in bracket lol. Seriously though SD pichu is nuts.

@jacobwillson2545 Жыл бұрын

Nah part of the appeal of Melee is that there are low tiers that are underexplored. Buffing them would take away one of the main appeals of Melee in that it is a constantly evolving game but only through the developments of the metagame. And Mario is decent enough for you to do good at a local imo.

@x9x9x9x9x9 Жыл бұрын

@@jacobwillson2545 I get what you mean. Maybe I should have a tournament and have an SD remix bracket. I know Mario is not trash I have used him in a regional. I mean I went 1-2 but I was there for fun not to win.

@dankachilles9356 Жыл бұрын

That rap in the beginning was sooooo bad it's soooooo good lmfao

@bb97979 Жыл бұрын

HYPE

@Nightwalker86 Жыл бұрын

DK might be even more centralizing in PM than P+ strictly bc most of the other broken characters were fixed correctly.

@calebrobinson6406 Жыл бұрын

Love the video! Some advice, you may want to balance your mic, the way its recorded makes your voicec a little harsh. Other than that, please make more!

@arJunebugSmash Жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'll work on it next time, I was trying to fix it in the edit, but couldn't find a good way 😅 I'll mess with the mixer

@nintenstation128 Жыл бұрын

monke

@ex-x7079 Жыл бұрын

This was really good. Thank you!

@christomanci Жыл бұрын

This was a barrel blast

@miffty-vw1ir 4 ай бұрын

Watching these videos make me think that DK is secretly a slept on top tier character, and then I go play him and remember why people underestimate his potential.

@laundry_guy Жыл бұрын

first time i see someone correct themselves when saying donkey punch, made me chuckle, great video

@eu4um Жыл бұрын

Babe wake up new Junebug video

@citrus5797 Жыл бұрын

Donkey Kong is here!

@WhelmedCupCake Жыл бұрын

love the humor and jokes, great video!

@opplerdop Жыл бұрын

7:08 with relative ease? makes taking stocks, seem such a breeze?

@yourmicisclipping Жыл бұрын

your mic is clipping. great video

@SRUFUS3D Жыл бұрын

Lore Accurate Donkey Kong.

@TheSlowchamp Жыл бұрын

Your voice is a fusion of Arlo and Dunky

@Ossimsauce 7 күн бұрын

The beginning

@ClassicBentobox Жыл бұрын

Really good video.

@Phychologik Жыл бұрын

8:44 Is that... a fox in space reference?

@pathsofharm8896 Жыл бұрын

Banger vid

@kestrelynn Жыл бұрын

I love the arc hating dk in pm/+ and then getting some of his best results in melee history

@RealNikTrustMe Жыл бұрын

i think the best way to retune DK (in smash 6?) is to make his grappling style more traditional. make it hard for DK to get in and swap his bad recovery for bad edge guarding, but give DK more combo tools with a wide (yet DI-able) combo tree to make him both easy to pick up and tough to master

@Bladieblah 11 ай бұрын

DI-able just means no combo's at all since any decent player will properly DI. Melee's DI system works because DI can be used to shorten extensions or reach platforms, not because you can straight up DI to escape

@june9914 Жыл бұрын

great vid though you should reduce the peaks in your audio

@arJunebugSmash Жыл бұрын

yeah i hear it too, its unfortunate :( been looking into how to fix it after uploading to no avail, rip

@RiahGreen Жыл бұрын

"Give him a barrel projectile too, I feel like brawl minus nailed it" HDR dev team: Hold my beer.

@HealthyHospital 10 ай бұрын

Hey I really want to play Project M as conveniently as possible. Does anybody know if there’s a slippi version of it? Haven’t played it in a minute. It’s a awesome to see the game is still being talked about and even played today!

@RenzZlax Жыл бұрын

Id love to hear about how PT was changed from brawl to PM

@somethingsomething7903 Жыл бұрын

nice video! anything to say about smash 64 dk? i know nobody really cares about vanilla 64 anymore but i feel like there's quite some things about him that dont get touched on much

@theobserver4214 Жыл бұрын

He’s low tier but specifically counters Jigglypuff

@johnleecooper8520 Жыл бұрын

great vid! i still think dk is fine in p+, just cause almost everyone else is also so cracked

@Jakerunio 9 ай бұрын

Okay but the barrel projectile was a really funny addition, put it in the next smash.

@softie Жыл бұрын

Barrel Buffs when

@elmo3766 Жыл бұрын

DON KEY KONG You loooove to see some love to the monke B)

@yungkarp Жыл бұрын

fyi p+ changed cargo throw so you can mash out pretty much immediately at low percent and dk doesn't have any confirms off grab at low percents if he tries to reposition