That’s crazy that it’s stats can be so high they just wrap around. It’s like regieleki trick room all over again but worse

I actually encountered this in the wild. I wanted to check out Pure Hackmons, and I made a team of a few Zacians with Double Iron Bash Serene Grace. Encountered a team of a bunch of these, and couldn’t touch them. Yeah...

Imagine being so broken you destroyed the literal/actual *ANYTHING* Goes tier.

It's actually crazy how op neutralizing gas is, like you cant use something like sturdy stall ghost type (no final gambit, no OHKO moves) or even just corrosion toxic. Can't arena trap it either to guarantee final gambit knocking out the right pokemon.

I don't see what the surprise is. we are talking about the only pokemon designed to be a punching bag of 4 pokemon at the same time for 5 minutes (two of those two pokemon are legendary with a 200 base power move)

Pure Hackmons has always been less popular than Balanced, but gen 8 Pure was an awful format. I remember running Parental Bond with Super Fang to quarter opposing Eternamax's HP, followed by Night Shade to chip the rest away. Also using Gastro Acid to negate Neutralizing Gas

Gen 8 Pure Hackmons was so busted that instead of banning E-Max, they banned the entire goddamn format.

To be fair, hackmons has ALWAYS been plagued by very op and unfun stuff. Eternatus was the drop that spilled the glass. Balanced hackmons on the other side has always been fun as fuck

that's a real shame, because SS pure hackmons had a lot of interesting things going for it eiscue being the best physical wall in the tier with his ice face together with hail ditto being an amazing early game threat with knock off and quick powder cramorant being able to switch in immediately to fast threats and guarantee paralysis on them giratina and spiritomb shananigen the meta had a lot of undiscovered potential before it was abandoned

And this is why we have rules people! Because when you 'let everyone choose whatever pokemon you want', people pick Master Hand and Crazy Hand

I'm shocked

I mean it's a pokemon that was meant to go against 4 pokemon... two of which have a BST of 720... who have a move that deals double damage to dmax pokemon... one of which is Zacian

Starmie was ranked OU in the first six generations and only finally fell to UU due to power creep in Gen 7. But then in Gen 8, it suddenly plummeted down the tiering list. A video on why would be fun to see 🥰

Interesting that it works like this, as this is not the only divide by 0 failsafe in Pokémon. If you use Electro Ball on a target with 0 speed, it will deal minimum damage, same thing if a Pokémon with 0 Speed uses Gyro Ball

I'm a programmer and your description of overflowing with the (I assume) mile counter is genius. Props to you!

mans just entered the pure hackmons discord asking for ss replays, someone posted some, he said thanks and dipped absolute madlad edit: the early gens of pure hackmons are really fun since nothing on the level of eternamax or neutralizing gas exists, so strategies like huge power, wonder guard, shadow tag, even balanced hackmons strategies like regenerator and poison heal are all viable strategies oras pure hackmons has its own permaladder on showdown and there is a forum on smogon that revolves around old gens of pure hackmons i really suggest you check it out

Case study in the danger of centralized metagames Btw these short-form competitive snippets are a breath of fresh air in Pokemon content, so keep it up

My only solution for emax was stall aegislash with leech seed and anchor shot. The eternatus would prctically heal me to full each turn due to health differences, and poison immunity was useful.

Gen 8 hackmons has to be the worst format ever created, I remember checking the metagame thread once and every team had multiple eternamax eternatus and regieleki. Cramorant, shadow calyrex, giratina, and kinda obstagoon are also viable and that's about it from what I saw

It's pretty clear Eternamax was not intended to be used.

I've always been like "Oh wow I just thought of an overpowered strat for Pure Hackmons" and then realize that there are even more overpowered strats for Pure Hackmons that would instantly negate it... ugh

I once played a tour on that tier with a sample team. It was the most boring tour of all time. It was basically a war between who could horn drill all the opposite eternatus first

A videogame example of absolute anarchy leading to less overall freedom

"When everybody's [using Eternatus]... no one will be [playing Pure Hackmons]." - Syndrome, _The Incredibles_ (Paraphrased for accuracy)

Verlisify is having a stroke right now cause of this video.

I am not familiar with eternatus, so when you explained his bulk problem I immediatly thought of a couple options. For starter, I thought about stalling strategies, but as soon as I realized that it is a poison type I dropped it since you'd need yo burn him in a consistent way. Then I immediatly thought of using a choice scarf no guard regieleki with a ohko move. But neutralizing gas makes it so no guard cannot is not in place. Then I stopped thinking and surrendered to the idea that this pokémon can only be dealt with with chance depending strategies.

I can certainly see why this is the case I mean, the appeal of hackmon is to try out all sorts of whacky cool stuff with your favourite pokemon and just go wild + seeing what others come up with Seeing the same pokemon with the same thing over and over again is boring and makes things stale real quick. Now imagine there's very little you can do to counter that thing and it becomes too controlling of the scheme that used to be something completely different. Yeah, of course you'd want to take it out

People were seriously expecting a Pokemon with a 1125 BST to be anything but broken to the point of destroying an entire tier? Especially with a stat distribution where it has the HP of Blissey, better defenses than Shuckle, AND still having very good attacking stats and Speed?

Clearly Regigigas is still an overpowered Pokemon that needs Slow Start.

I mean, what were you expecting was going to happen when you hacked in a Pokemon that was supposed to be fought in a 4v1, where two of its opponents are legendaries?

I understand why eternamax was only used as a boss now.

This looks like a job for Level 1 Rattata! Focus Sash, Endeavor, Quick Attack.

Can someone explain how a 0 def stat causes this rather than attacks to simply ignore defense. Trying to wrap my head around that logic

Not true, level editing ruined it. Eternatus warped the meta but it was playable, what ruined the fomat are other changes like pre-dynamaxing and HP editing that allowed for base 999999 water spouts.

If there was a move that raised the opponent's defense by a stage would that be enough to bring up the defense up from zero making it killable then?

This is for all the people complaining about smogon being too ban happy

I remember right when SwSh came out I was trying to find out how to get eternamax eternatus and found its stats on bulbapedia. I was blown away, no pokemon has broken 800 stat total before, let alone 900 1000 and 1100. If they do release it I hope it gets nerfed, its weird that unlile other Gigantamax pokemon its much more like a mega evolution than just a dynamax with a special move and model, it gains HUGE stat boosts. I was worried it was going to be even more broken than mega ray and zacian I am SO glad it was never released. If im not mistaken the defense overflow could happen in a normal game right? If you had mqx ivs and the same evs nothing about that needs to be hacked

It's really cool to see a hackmons video! Btw, could you make a video on why is the contrary ability banned on balanced hackmons?

The solution is simple and I'm frustrated it's not implemented. Ban Eternamax Eternatus from Pure Hackmons. The base game literally will not let you use Eternamax. Ever. You are physically prevented from sending it out. I made an Eternamax Eternatus ysing PKHeX once (wanted to try it on the battle tower) and no matter what, the game check to make sure your Eternatus is the base form when sent out and reverts it if it has to. The base game doesn't actually allow Eternamax Eternatus to be used, so the mode that is explicitly "only things technically allowed within the game" should not let you use it. Plain and simple.

What about Seismic Toss or Night Shade (or even Sonic Boom or Dragon Rage)? Wouldn't these always do a fixed amount of damage? I guess the meta would just shift to Eternatus running a recovery move as an answer, but still.. I wanted to add Corrosion / Toxic, but I guess Neutralizing Gas prevents that.

this is why i keep my FEAR rattata close to my heart

Isn't there a move or ability that swaps pokemon stats, I'm not a big competitive Pokemon player so I'm not really sure Abt this stuff

Thanks for making this video! You've explained the metagame very well.

If you ever wondered why you couldn't use Eternamax Eternatus outside of seeing it when you use its signature move Dynamax Cannon, _this is why_ LMAO. Another case of what happens when you unleash A GOD!! EDIT: It's actually _Eternabeam_ NOT Dynamax Cannon.

If this is hacked mons where everything is legal. Why isn't Regieleki using no guard ohko moves to simply k.o. everything before it can go at all? Or maybe it is doing exactly that and I missed something? Edit: i watched five seconds more of the video where you mentioned neutralizing gas. That explains it.

What if you had a Hackmon with arena trap and perish song that is made specifically to sacrifice itself to eternus to remove it

I used to play Balanced Hackmons back in Gen 6 before the Prankster nerf. It was probably my favourite format because I had a team of awful 'mons like Dunsparce all working together to create a convoluted stall chain that eventually made a colossal Magikarp with max attack. It was never the best, but it was fun. I barely play it any more after the Prankster nerf, and I'm convinced my departure ruined the format for everyone else 😂

For a second I was all like "Just use the Corrosion Toxic combo," but then you mentioned Neutralizing Gas. :(

Hacking the game to cheat unbalances the game? Man, who could've seen that coming.

Here is the PERFECT counter; Ninjask Turn 1. Use Will o Wisp. Turn 2. Use Guard Swap. Turn 3. Use Protect Turn 5. Use Dig. Turn 6. Use Protect. Turn 7. Use Dig. Repeat. I've just fixed Hackmons 😎😎

“Man, stop using Eternatus like that! Fucking Hacker!” “...Y...Yes, that’s the point of this competition.”

Lol, funny that the root cause of this is likely a simple ‘Overflow Error’ that one learns about in many Computer Science classes. Good ole edge cases…

We should do the same thing they did with a no scald ladder in gen 6 with this tier except with no eternamax eternatus instead

Wait, why does eternamax overflow but defense boosted shuckle not overflow?

I like how in the thumbnail the 3 Eternatus look like 1 big pokemon guarding Spritomb like a baby

Fun to think that, if fairy types didn’t exist, this mode would be even more unplayable. You could just do Wonder Guard Spiritomb with recycle, a berry that cures burns or poison, and other fun things like Aromatherapy and Heal bell for double PP

So, that would explain why Eternatus Eternamax is not playable, they knew they made a broken monster.

Even in hackmons there should be a limit to forms and EVs. I mean if you're gonna hack you could just literally set all stats to 0/ 999, why stop at max EVs?

The vibe check hand was too much

So the big hand managed to destroy something

This is why anarchy cant exist

Is there a reason people didn't just trap then curse Eternatus? I'm not super familiar with this ruleset, but it seems like you'd be able to just use Block or Mean Look then Curse and stall until you win.

Hey, do you think if the overflow can be somehow fixed, this would become viable again?

I wish they would make pure hackmons without a ladder so people would play it casually. Being able to use absolutely anything is really fun

I don’t really get why they simply didn’t allow eternamax I get it’s pure Hackman but seeing as eternamax isn’t even useable or a “true” form And is really just a boss they shouldn’t have included it

The exact reason I prefer Balanced Hackmons Now if you’ll excuse me, me and my Durant are going to go crit people into next Wednesday

Even regular eternatus is pretty good. Give it dragon maw, choice specs, and the move dragon energy and it can oneshot pretty much anything besides a fairy type and which is slower than it and with no priority moves. Obviously that's not broken but being able to oneshot dialga is pretty cool

You cannot use endeavor? surely theres works around its still a game with strategy if you abandon then you lose…

Surely FEAR would still be able to take it out, or Sturdinja?

for balanced hackmons i'd like to see certain banned abilities be allowed on certain mons that wouldn't be busted with them (like for example wonder guard for parasect)

They really could have just banned this thing. Yeah, then it wouldn't be "pure" hackmons, but at least it'd be a playable category with enough distinctions from balanced hackmons to make its existence worthwhile.

Kind’ve like saying “Huh. If we let Final Fantasy players use Pandemonium Warden is broken” well yeah, it’s a Boss it’s not supposed to be fair or used like this.

This looks like a lab experiment seriously gone wrong.

Fling light ball and use paralysis for set ups. Teeter dance it while stalling with substitutes. Maybe use torment on it.

1:58 can someone send me a link of that page....I wanna read all of that...

... No Heal Block Endeavor Shedinja with Focus Sash and Prankster...? Why wouldn't they do that?

Competitive hacked Pokémon just sounds contrarian

Does trick toxic orb poison a poison type mon? If not my only idea doesn’t work lol

What about using Endeavor and a priority moves?

This Is literally the Reason why we didn't get Fused Lusamine as a boss fight in sun and Moon. Freaking hackers

I play a meta where both eternamax and hackmons exist and despite what you think it isn’t as restricted, possibly because that form of eternatus had more primal Groudon like stats, so it didn’t cause overlap bugs,

Heck, if you could use it normally(regular moveset, stays within its form for the entire battle) it’s easily banned to AG it’s so stupid. heck probably the best Pokémon of all time. while it’s offensive stats are good but nothing too strong compared to other ubers Pokémon, its the best tank of all time not only stat wise but also due to access to recover. Immune to toxic outside of salazle’s ability(even then it gets rest). It has a good movepool.

What if you used soak with a pokemon and then let them get KO. Then used toxic protect evasion/the classic toxic stall. Would that work? The soak would take off the poison type making so toxic would work and toxic doesn't do defense based damage

I havent played hackmons since the days of sturdy recycle lum berry shedinja and this doesnt sound fun at all.

if everyone abandoned the tier because of it, why didn't they just ban it? I know the point is for OP stuff, but there's several things already that are banned so why not add one more if it fixes the whole tier?

Ok, so im a PH player and i have to say that gen 8 PH is the worst modern PH meta, I recommend playing Gen 7 or Gen 6, BDSP hackmons is as centralized as the only viable pokemon are Arceus forms and not much more as Neutralazing Gas is still a thing and Arceus is so bulky that you have to be at +6 to OHKO oposing Arceuses

Your voice was much higher 1 year ago :D

Eternatus with 0 def: I'm fuckin invincible!

pure hackmon sounds like it was already doomed from the start

The level 1 Aron strategy

I'll say one of the reasons is the Type combination with the Legendary stats.

2:04 what? doesn't water spout has 150 base power maximum? then the damage decrease by curent/max health?

the only time guard swap is useful kekw

I guess the best defense is no defense

You mentioned regielekki horn drill, but wouldn't it be better to have some wall? In fact wouldn't sturdy shedinja be just as good? And if you can have basically invincible eternatus why isn't it all 6 slots of every team? Edit: yeah neutralising gas destroys shedinja no matter what. Never mind that one. But you could have... I dunno, shuckle maybe? Eviolite cosmoem? Would they survive?

funny seeing a bunch of comment saying jt was a terrible format because it was unbalanced. its hacks though so like yeah obviously, the entire point of playing hackmons is to Frankenstein the most broken combo you can imagine. that was the fun part.

Which is why i play gen 6 or 7 hackmons

Was it not possible to just do level 50 instead of level 100? Wouldn't that fix the overflow to 0 problem?

literally just perish song to force switch for free setup or throw a destiny bonder in your team.

Gen 4 Hackmons with Wonder Guard Spiritomb would accomplish pretty much the same thing. You wouldn't be able to hit it without having Fairy moves.