It looks like a weird sandwich. Like the broodwich from Aqua Teen Hunger Force.

It's far from the worst gen 1 sprites but.....

@@GymLeaderMatt1987 hey bud glad to see you here I requested this run since I knew it would SHOCK everyone here with how fast cloyster actually is It's very versatile too n can run mimic set

@@nautgamingnautgaming9949 Idk about shocking. It finished 7th with a lower level but he put it 4th somehow. I still don't think it's better than Nidoking or Starmie but we'll have to see at the end of May!

@@GymLeaderMatt1987 he lost at least a minute or 2 attempting surge over n over again and possibly more by not beelining to rival2 ss Anne rival 3 out of the tunnel n last misty Then Celadon shop into rocket hideout into lavender rival into surge n then Erika Then we obviously do koga Blaine fivul Sabrina The riskiest strategy is Blaine early actually but this route would have been close to gengar I do agree with the Ranking since I saw way more human error than I saw in the average jrose11 run

Wow thank you for the insight. Alot of oversights in this game but it's understandable given the tremendous undertaking this game was.

I haven't heard of this quirk before, very interesting!

another example of gen 1 being busted lol

One day, I will learn about all the glitches in gen 1. Not today, not this decade...but one day. I swear, there's always some new headassery that code can produce XD

May I ask for a source?

I meant *good attacking move* haha

@@Jrose11 Well this ain't Mystery Dungeon so it counts.

​@@blastfurnace8644is not why talk improper

Get this man a like

Get him several.

Im no comment enthusiast either, but this mans deserves a like for his comment

I’m sure he appreciates the support and kind words mate!

Amen

It doesn’t learn Slash until level 51, so that’s only relevant for the endgame. Which to be fair is the hardest part of the game, but availability of tools is just as important as the tools themselves. Remember the Abra run?

Instantly walled by Brock

The Water Gun TM can be found in Mt. Moon, so really only Brock and maybe Sabrina would be difficult. Persian crits often, so it could bypass Defence Curls *_by Brock (edited)_* and evasive moves Koga loves to use. Not sure about everything else, might try it myself on an emulator and see if its not just “Pray for crits and win.”

@@SadBirbHours Not entirely. Between Growl and Screech, the Onix can probably be subdued long enough to take it out with Bite. It'd be a battle of attrition, but not completely unmanageable.

Persian would be fun to see, I am curious as to how quickly Porygon could solo gen I

I noticed that when you do a low roll on damage, that’s when you get freezes burns or paralyzes

@@justinmadrid8712 I noticed that as well. Though sometimes I'd rather have the high roll for a kill.

Fool! You press B to catch pokemon better, not A.

Must be vindicating.

He did the math! The Pocket Monster math

How exactly can or does the attack of the move relate to the attack stat of the actual Pokémon? Seriously, very honest question.

Nerd

@@robinthemoregod6586 isn't that the "power" in the formula?

@@daninda1665 The formula is just a lot of brackets for some fucking reason, I need a true answer to the question.

I do feel like I get a lot more gen 1 misses than jrose...

Staryu is one of those "needs to grind a bunch to beat Brock" mons unfortunately, but Starmie would probably sweep most of the game.

@@DabottIe Well Misty and Surge might be a bit of an obstacle

@@jaynajuly2140 Yeah I think it might run into similar problems to Cloyster in the early-mid game unless its extra special is enough for Surge. Water Gunning Misty might also be annoying and you can't get TBolt until after that. But then you get TBolt/Ice Beam/Psychic in the midgame and the rest should be super free.

@@DabottIe of course, Misty might also barely attack it so there's at least a chance, and Starmie's high speed may give a couple of critical hits on Tackle! I agree that after those two the rest should be a breeze

@@DabottIe I believe in RBY Starmie starts with Water Gun. So Brock won't be an issue.

Except that is so common that Cloyster has no chance. Just like those Last Resort Sandstorm garbage strategies. Have something like a Lucario or other good Pokemon with priority moves and the strategy no longer works.

@@Cetra29 that's why i said *UNSUSPECTING OPPONENTS*

@@Cetra29 Pretty sure this tends to be effective.

@@MediumDSpeaks At this point, who doesn't look at Cloyster and expect the setup, though? Coming from someone who is a bit of a Cloyster fan themselves.

@@FamilyTeamGaming people who literally do not know... that's what *UNSUSPECTING OPPONENT* means. It is SO fucking easy to forget once you know niche knowledge just how niche it really is, and that until you learned it in niche conditions, that you had no idea to even think that that rare information existed, so we often forget when we get new vocabulary words for example, that most people don't know the meaning when we use them, particularly in niche communities about specific interests that have internal terminology that everyone knows within the community but makes 0 sense otherwise. The Cloyster thing is just one example among every one of so many complex myriad strategies in all different playstyles and formats and generations of competitive single or VGC pokemon. Sure I know a lot about singles Gen 7 OU or early Gen 8, but put me in today and I won't know SHIT about whatever the current different strategies are despite EVERYONE who regularly plays knowing. But likewise, every year or so when I come back to pokemon I can reliably fuck people up with old strategies like cloister or breloom or whatever other goodies are in my AG teams that newer players of the current meta have never learned or completely forgotten. So, again, *UNSUSPECTING OPPONENTS*

Humanoid pokemon, magmar really???

@@jimmie8987 Magmar is in the human-like egg group so yes, they are part of that.

@@Infindox I mean it's bipedal I guess

@@jimmie8987 To be fair, Magmar looks as much like a human as it does like a bird.

I'd be interested to see Mr Mime, but Electabuzz/Magmar/Jynx is the trio that are linked. So I'd be interested in that three-way comparison. Mr Mime, I'd be interested to see whether it's better than Hypno. Hypno being slower but with higher Special

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Yeah I miss it!

I hear intros have a low retention rate. Can't speak to Jrose's motivation in particular but that's usually the reason KZfaqrs ditch them

I knew something was different

Starmie has a more shallow movepool lol since it cant run physical moves like cloyster can I do like it's speed and special though I do think it's lack of versatility and lack of base hp will be starmies downfall

​@@nautgamingnautgaming9949 I mean, it can learn thunderbolt (dealing with lorelei and gyarados), psychic (bruno/agatha), surf (some of bruno/rival), and ice beam/blizzard (lance and venusaur). It's versatility in terms of typing is incredible, and alakazam managed great with a worse base attack stat. The most obvious special walls happen to have STABs that it already resists, and most of them have terrible physical bulk, so a 75 attack stat doesn't seem too bad. It even learns multiple solid ice and normal moves, so he has the option to juggle when to learn moves for specific encounters while not sacrificing that type for the rest of the run. EG, start E4 with psychic, reflect, surf and thunderbolt, using reflect to weaken some of Lorelei's bulkier mons' physical attacks and Lance's aerodactyl; replace psychic with blizzard after Agatha, and replace reflect with double-edge after Lance for the rival's alakazam, having used tri-attack for pre-E4 special walls and ice beams as necessary. Between reflect, great speed and special, and super effective attacks against almost everything, I think it'd probably either outspeed and one-shot or outlast any late game mon that really threatens it (dewgong might be tricky due to not having the opportunity to set up reflect on an earlier pokemon and having take down, but iirc it's hard coded to rest on turn 2 anyway? not sure what level starmie would need to be to one-shot it with thunderbolt). Early game, Misty might be a slog, and Surge is probably tricky what with starmie being weak to electric and having no super effective moves (or even good neutral moves, honestly; might be worth delaying that one even if it means backtracking without fly latter), but once he gets to Celadon he can make a beeline for ice beam and psychic, and then starmie has super effective moves against all the remaining gym leaders except Sabrina, for which he can use tri attack; base 75 attack isn't *that* bad against a combined hp/defence of 100, especially with a decent crit rate and psychic resistance. That said, I kinda hope Cloyster keeps its ranking; mah boi could use some more accolades

@@nautgamingnautgaming9949 Starmie learning Psychic and Thunderbolt is a huge advantage. In the end, you don't really need Physical moves. 75 Attack is also not bad at all if you MUST use a physical move. It also has Harden for the Badge Boost Glitch, which helps the aforementioned attack.

Too much tm support though will slow it down at first

@@bryanc1772 but it should start with water gun AND tackle, if bulbapedia is right, so it should destroy brock easily and play a fair match against itself against misty

jrose combines the purposefulness of a speedrun with the chilled out, why-the-hell-not quirkiness of challenge runs. Every pokemon is different and the strats are super fun to watch, particularly when he comes with one on the spot like the Emerald Ditto or Shuckle runs. It's really great.

I appreciate it, but I do use music haha

Even a R/S/E run with Rayquaza seems fun to me.

@@NicolasClark7732 not going to lie that sounds bad ass

@@NicolasClark7732 Oh.....it is not.....it is not at all.....wait a few months. I did them all :(

@@TheHonestPokemonTrainer That's surprising to hear.

Hoenn 🤮🤮🤮 no thanks

The Encanto song?

@@velvetbutterfly Yep, we don't about Bruno, cause his battles don't last long enough! :)

Still waiting on the miracle of a Jrose11 cover of the song.

I wonder. Would the Def drop actually activate the badge boost? That would be crazy :)

It wouldn’t be too great on Cloyster actually. The special attack boost would be canceled out by the special defense boost since special is one stat, so shell smash would be +2 speed and attack with defense down. Maybe you could get away with hyper beaming everything since it would basically be a swords dance but the defense drop would hurt

@@zentazym1 yeah but badge boost glitch would count both the increase and decrease right?

@@mussolini2525 I have no idea tbh. I thought it was one badge boost per move used but I could be wrong. I’m trying to think of a move in gen 1 that raised more than 1 stat to test it out on.

@@zentazym1 it's one per stat change I'm pretty sure; I know abilities that activate on stat change in newer gens activaste multiple times against moves that change multiple stats. This is why in competitive you always switch in your defiant and competitive mons into parting shot.

gen 1 lmao

I'm surprised jrose knew about that mechanic cause I sure didn't Also I think paralysis underflowed with bad boost glitch because of a crit n caused the speed debuff not to happen

Gen 1 be like

i agree with the sentiment that gen 1 crits aren't truly "luck." they scale off of a stat that can be both trained and altered at will, meaning that the level of control the player has over causing them is high enough that I would consider it more strategy than luck. in electrodes case its not impossible to run into a situation where its crit chance is higher than the accuracy of some moves, but a move hitting would never be cause for reset in this kind of run.

@@Namingway248 it’s based off of base speed, not the speed stat value. So it can’t be altered. Still i agree that a crit shouldn’t call for a reset, but these are his vids and he wouldn’t be satisfied with a crit win if he was on the ropes and he thinks he could do it better.

You could effectively treat the freeze chance as another chance for a "critical hit" of sorts. With base 70 speed, Cloyster has a 13.67% chance of getting a critical hit on any move. With a 10% chance of freezing on ice beam, the probability of getting either a freeze or a critical hit on any ice beam is about 22.3%. This is about the same chance that a Pokemon with base 115 speed gets a critical hit on a move. Those odds aren't bad.

I don't feel like reseting when he gets a freeze is that big of a deal. He was able to beat Erika without a freeze anyway, and leaving a gym leader up to a 10% chance isn't really what Jrose likes to do.

@@Purple-Popcorntm I don’t think you’re wrong and the results aren’t that different, I just feel that freeze in solo runs are an advantage of using ice type attacks that should be factored in. Either way it’s not too big a difference

Likewise to you.

Exeggutor starts with just trash moves. It's barrage only I think. I've seen people do the run and it is basically closer to Abra. Starmie seems to be a bit slower than Mewtwo/Alakazam levels. It only has like...two slowdowns.

Generally it's when you boost your own speed. I'm pretty sure stat drops are reapplied whenever the opponent modifies your stats, so maybe all the growls made his speed so low it underflowed?

Nah, it’s because Cloyster snapped out of confusion the turn before. Apparently the game only has one command for removing status effects and it doesn’t understand that confusion is stackable with things like burn and paralysis, so when confusion wears off by itself it also cures the stat drops of the aforementioned status conditions.

Funny enough the one before this was me haha, but thanks, he's amazing. The last two solo runs are the editor!

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You poor soul....

If this were FrLG, I’d unironically bank on it making a high tier, because 97% accurate Sleep is that good.

Not to mention Butterfree's backsprite in FRLG is a masterpiece, along with Pikachu.

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When stats are changed in gen1 (I think at all, though it may just be because badge boost messed with speed too? Someone should test without the speed badge) it ignored the -Speed from paralysis

@@velvetbutterfly It would make more sense for it to be because of the badge boost, apparently a speed/attack boost of any kind removes the negative stat effects of paralysis/burn... Apparently in this case though it was related to confusion being lifted and removing the negative effects of paralysis for the turn, explained in more detail by another commenter

It's because the confusion was cleared up and that made glitchy gen 1 code clear up the speed decrease from paralysis

But it raises defense instead

It's play is slow, Mewtwo would win as it's just one shotting everything.

.69% chance

Snorlax gets walled by Brock.

@@marcustulliuscicero5443 walled is a bit strong. Rest will help a lot, and headbutt is a 70-base STAB. It won’t be even close to Mewtwo, but it’s likely to be one of those Pokemon who just needs Rival 1A and a couple other trainers to handle Brock. Still, clearly not a chance. If every Pokémon outspeeds, snorlax will likely be in a tier with Slowpoke. Maybe Molteres or Poliwag. Good, but way off the best.

Nah, his starting move is headbutt, he will do like tauros, a great normal type BUT, the problem in brock.

I totally agree

For the Zapdos... it was the Brock fight and Bruno... yeah Zappy had trouble with Bruno. Moltres was most likely due to the fact that it had Fire Spin as the only move it could use until Fire Blast and Fly, but it did get Agility so we could abuse the glitch. Still that early game and having to rely on a 70% accurate attack to get much done hurt it in rankings as it added a ton of RNG to the mix. Articuno was the most solid of the three. It abused mimic and was tanky enough to abuse Amnesia and Recover. It bodied everything but Agatha... and that becomes a problem. Pokemon with purely special movesets need either Amnesia or the ability to abuse the Badge Boost Glitch to be able to make her consistent. The top of the top are pokemon that are attempting to do this at as close to MINIMUM battles as possible. Gyarados... couldn't... he actually needed to go back and grind. Jrose is also attempting to fix his human error of taking on a few battles a bit too early which cost him time. Done perfectly, I think Cloyster actually saves more than enough time to outspeed Mew by a minute. Hope this helps with the understanding.

Dewgong... is PAINFULLY average.

I disagree. It has a bunch of things going for it that makes it well suited for powering through Gen 1. Starting with Aurora Beam and Headbutt alone make it a monster in the early game.

Like, what would you do if your run was saved by a 1/256 miss? Gen 1 is gonna Gen 1.

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