What gacha has taught me is how to be a casual gamer ,patience and moderation is key to life

The thing is. there is no actually competition on genshin. There is no leaderboards, there is no PVP, and you have to go out of your way to do co-op. Its a single player game.

Genshin has taught me that selfcontrol patience and moderation is all we need to move forward in game and in life . And desiding between 2 options even if it hurts a little

I think gacha genre is the first time it taught me to be patient and just forget about some things that aren't primarly needed. And I found myself to spend less money on battle passes in general too.

Genshin is particularly complicated case. Free to play. You get all the characters you will really need to finish the game, including the hardest end game content. But you get individual character story quest to really get to know them. They feel like companions, not just banner characters. With ToF, the only character I know of that has good character story so far is Nemesis, our banner girl. All other characters are not fleshed out properly by Genshin standard. In Genshin, even 4 stars get great backstory.

The thing about Genshin is that you could make strategical decisions with the pity system even if you are F2P. There's no leaderboards, no pvp, no paywall, you can make those decisions solely on which character you like.

It's crazy how much Asmon gets roasted without trying sometimes 🤣

most META defining characters in Genshin are 4* , some of them being in game since launch, u can clear hardest content in game with any unit, but u have to invest more time into farming for worse units, META in genshin just let's you save resources in game, tho it's gacha so of course it is predatory , but not really P2W , rather pay to have variety

In genshin rather than pay to win its pay for variety, make the game easier, and progress faster in getting endgame builds. Once you have one endgame team you can pretty much beat all content forever and not worry about gacha and that could be with the free starting characters. But genshin, and many of the other most successful gacha, are pay for your waifu/husbando to be as flashy as possible. A max 5* and max 5* weapon for a character will make them op but there isn't a single piece of content that can't also be cleared with free 4* characters and weapons that have good builds. It's more the convenience or simping aspect that draws players to spend since lack of PvP and lack of endgame that necessitates whaling doesn't exist.

Zhongli was NOT meta or op on release and that data was from that time. He was one of the weakest 5 star characters back then and people spend this much money because they just like the character.

For Genshin's currencies: Mora - Just your basic gold. Get it from quests, kills, domains, Leylines, etc. Genesis Crystals - Paid only Currency Primogems - Used to purchase Gacha pulls. Genesis can be traded for Primogems at a 1 to 1 rate so it's not any more confusing. Fates - used to actually do the Gacha pulls. These can be purchased for 160 Primogems, and there are Rainbow ones and Blue ones. Both cost the same, and the only difference is that Rainbow is used to pull on time limited banners, Blue for the standard banner. They're earned just by playing too, from certain larger events that you can spend the points you earn during the event on. Stardust - Obtained from Gacha pulls. Every 3-4 star you pull gives some Stardust, which can be used to purchase common crafting items, and monthly to purchase up to 5 each of the Rainbow/Blue Fates. Starglitter - Obtained from Gacha pulls like Stardust, but only from 5-star pulls. Can be used to outright purchase rotating 4-star characters, or higher rarity crafting materials, as well as decent 4-star weapons, but never anything that's top of the line. Good, but outclassed often. As far as remembering how much money you've actually spent on gacha pulls, it's as simple as remembering that 160 Genesis Crystals/Primogems = 1 Pull. It's still definitely got the obfuscation going on, but it's not as bad as some games I've seen. The only reason Genesis Crystals are separate from Primogems is that they're your "paid gems" rather than ones you can get for free, for the sake of purchasing skins that are paid only. As for the "new characters are always better" bit, no, not true with Genshin. Some are, others aren't. One of the characters he used in his spread of 5 that made a ton of money in 1 day (the blonde boy) is... Actually pretty lackluster. And two of the highest rated units in the *entire game* are 4-star units that have been in the game since launch.

41:55 My first thought about the "competing on skill" thing was League. I feel like a lot of people that play league hate it because in order to consistently win you have to be constantly better than the other players (although sometimes even that isn't enough) in champion skill, micro and macro, and general game knowledge. All this would require a ridiculous amount of time, where at that point you're no longer playing the game because its fun.

Genshin Impact is not pay to "win", because there's simply nothing to win, there are no PVP or any other competitions in PVE, what do you actually win? The point is that, unlike diablo immortal, you can still have decent gaming experience as a FTP player.

Fate is a franchise that started with visual novels and then said novels were adapted into multiple anime and this is the biggest reason a lot of fans, myself included, began playing the game (basically, it adds more to the existing lore). Fate grand order is a single player game and you get more than enough free stuff to be able to do all content without any issues. Which means there is actually no reason to spend any money at all unless you have no self control and/or are rich. I have been playing it for over a year without spending anything and I have 10 5 stars and half of them are some of the best characters in the game which just makes it more unbelievable, imo, when I see these cases of people spending so much money.

Me as genshin f2p, no money spent. Earning primogems from events and dailies are most fun. I'm more a hardcore character collector and I'm happy to get most 5 Star characters I wanted with no constellations. 🥰🥰

The currencies in genshin impact are far more straightforward than tower of fantasy. That would have been a better example in this video

I actually think Genshin Impact is fairly conservative in most of these ways in comparison to everything else in the genre, and that's why I think it's so successful. They aren't constantly thrusting "offers" in your face, or "mysterious packages", or quite frankly anything. Nothing takes you out of the game. You have to manually go into the store yourself, and there isn't even that much to buy. In fact, the only thing worth buying is currency for wishes. And this is huge. There's a game to be played, a pretty good game actually, and they let you play it without pestering you.

Genshin is pay-2-flex; your choice to invest doesn't impact others. You whale because you want everything for the character you are rolling for or you are farming sprial abyss clear times for tiktok views.

"Genshin has a large female audience" You play Genshin impact for the Pixel women, I play Genshin impact for the Real women. We are not the same.

I'd love if Asmon would start a f2p journey on a second server in Tower of Fantasy and compare the experience with the same time investment as the 2k account

Video is incorrect on a multitude of facets, I can't actually list all the details because it would be a novel. This will probably be long as is... 1.) There is no meta, it's a single player game and you can beat everything with free characters and free weapons. 2.) Zhongli was nerfed before release, he came out very weak and the community lost their mind. 3.) Raiden Shogun was the biggest selling character in the game. 4.) Welkin and BP are the biggest value in the game it will cost you as much as a WoW sub to maintain it but you can manage without (I have multiple friends I can use as examples) 5.) The bonus on the currency resets so you can pick one in a situation where you feel it's justified and wait until it resets. 6.) Games pity is very transparent, I have never missed a character unless I was careless and accidentally hit my 100% early while trying to snag a 4 star (DO NOT DO THAT IF YOU HAVE 100%). 7.) The games events are quite generous. 8.) We know exactly how much money it takes to gaurentee a character. 9.) Weapon banner is a trap for whales, or a sink for people don't want to pull for characters anymore. 10.) Artifacts are the biggest source of power. 11.) Google how Keqing is pronounced, it's a surprise. Lastly there are only two types of currency. Crystal and primogems...the starglitter and dust are just a way of giving you a way to pick up extra rescources and extra gems and even characters in the long run.

I'm having a great time playing Genshin without spending a cent. As long as you can accept that you will just get the characters you'll get, their monetization doesn't have a lot of power over you.

For the record, Genshin has very few "skins" or new outfits for existing characters and they are either (1) free to obtain, you just have to complete the limited time event quest which is not hard; or (2) able to be purchased directly, no gacha element involved - a straight up purchase.

So if anyone has played PGR, the main premium currency is Black Cards, with the paid Currency being the Rainbow Card. Rainbow can buy anything from more Black Cards to skins and decor pieces in game. The way the Gacha works though is that the Black Card gets converted into a specific ticket type depending on your banner. If its an event banner, its yellow. If its a regular banner for constructs its blue, alongside the regular banner for weapons. And if you want a specific weapon, you got the target banner for red. You can also purchase Rainbow Card packs that give a full 10 roll that are a monthly refill. The Gacha system itself has a pretty good pity as well, even showing you how much you need till you get the next s rank or what not. It's still has a lot of signature gacha mechanics but overall, it focuses more on gameplay and skill rather than having all the best gear.

I enjoy so much your reactions videos! I love the Nasuverse that is why I started playing FGO 4 years ago for the story and I haven't spent any money on the game, It is difficult because I like so many characters but with the expirience of the game's low odds I save for two years for the meta character and spend money on phisical games that don't require internet, micro transactions, etc.

my response to the conversation about high level players vs casual players i think there is intermingling between these in a lot of games for example i personally play most games i enjoy at a pretty high level if not very high level, but i still enjoy playing with casuals sometimes, teaching new people, and just having fun with people who dont expect me as well as me expecting myself to perform perfectly and something that ties into this is games with like cosmetic rewards or other rewards for high lvl pvp/pve being able to distinguish urself in a game for working hard and being better is a good feeling, anyone who doesnt admit that is in denial, and even casuals like im not saying that its just cool to flex on casuals but some people get excited and dream of having those things themselves and it facilitates a goal for the next generation of high level gamers

The more of this comes in future games, the more 'retro' gaming I'll go. There is a line that needs to be drawn.

The two incorrect things about genshin. 1. There are only two levels between spending money and pulling. Credit Card -> Gensis Crystals (exclusive cash premium currency) -> Primogems (normal premium currency) -> Pulling. However, it is important to note that 1 genesis crystal is equal to 1 primogem, and not some messy thing like 1 genesis crystal to 1.69 primogems. The separation between the gensis crystals and primogems is done so that skins are only obtainable through putting money into the game, otherwise there is no difference. The different currencies mentioned in the video apart from genesis crystals and primogems are basically currency you get after you pull which give you more pulls (pulling a 5* gets you one more pull basically) 2. There is almost a reverse powecreep style to the game. The longer the game goes, the more balanced the characters are made. For example, the characters made at the start of the game were made without balance in mind as much, thus still make up over 50% of the meta as they ended up being broken. People were literally questioning on whether to pull a new 5* because she did barely better than first patch 4* (talking about yelan and xinqiu).

Genshin has a meta but u can easily beat everything with the strong 4* units and in fact the best unit in the game is a 4* and so is the 3rd best. There are 6 really broken 4* units and a decent amount of good ftp weapons. Additionally the new 5* units aren’t always strong a lot are weak or average in fact most of the broken 5* are from 1.x or early 2.x

Genshin doesn't have a meta in a sense that it's such a brain-dead easy game you can finish it with any characters you want.

It's worth mentioning that Genshin is designed so well that a mentally healthy person that plays regularly and spends an equivalent of WoW sub a month can get a LOT of characters, weapons etc. I'm not trying to advertise the game or defend the whale-baits there, just pointing out that the business model is not targeting only whales and people without control.

47:43 I really like your comment about being against learnt helplessness. Yes, just because something is designed to be manipulative doesn't mean you don't have agency or responsibility to be vigilant, to pay only what you can afford and to actively make good decisions. Good discussions like this should bring into people's awareness the potential pitfalls and dangers and then it's partially on us what we do with ourselves, our time and our finances.

Want to add my voice to the pile. If asmon ever does play genshin I hope he goes at it as a pure F2P. It will be much more relatable and can hopefully show how not every gacha game shoves purchasing options in your face

It's not that difficult to break the login spree. I didn't log in for 2 days in a row and that was it, I'm done with the game and never felt like logging in again. There needs to be something else that keeps you coming back than just random rewards. It boils down to whether or not the game is something you genuinely enjoy, because if you don't, you will NOT keep logging in indefinitely.

I get the guys point and generally agree, but he clearly doesn't play or actually know about Genshin so when he tries to make an example of it with saying stuff like you can raise a 3 star weapon to 5 stars or something wrong like that it makes it sound so wrong and bad. I get that it's pretty much 'gambling' , but 5-star character rates in Genshin are so low that you end up just assuming you'll go to the soft pity at 75-80 once (for a 50% chance) or twice (for guarantee), which is basically buying the character for a known price. and if you lose that 50% then the next one is still guaranteed no matter what/forever, even if its a different/future banner.

Above everything mentionned, you also have the credit card factor. Spending money you might no have or can't feel. Like spending 100$ you have in your hands is so much different than 100$ on a credit card swipe. Mix this with the obfuscation of multiple different currencies in game, it's an absolute mess.

Felt like a retell of the mentioned whaling video. And I'm pretty sure Genshin was picked for its popularity, not because it includes most points mentioned. Fine to watch video on live stream but... Lets just say, I usually watch the original video (if I liked it on reaction vid), not happening this time.

I find it fascinating that Genshin, that has absolutely no competitive element whatsoever, has earned the most, by selling characters alone.

honestly i have been the whale in many games and i dont even stay playing them because it gets so boring because the game at its base is just bad but improvements temporarily is what excited me i really wanna thank watching asmongold and him on this movement of awareness that i was ultimately able to change for the better i stopped giving in these games are so bad and to make worthwhile gotta pay but even then game still garbage thank you asmon for opening my eyes and letting go of a bad habit and cycle

I watch your lotr extended edition every day and i love it.

It's actually easier being a f2p Fate GO player in North American since that version is 2 years behind so you can always check the Japanese banner catalogue for the year and save up for what banner you want to roll for.

All his Points are kinda Correct. But he has no IDEA of Genshin Impact, Talks about Battle Pass, does not show the Battle Pass, Currencys Wrong, talk about Wishes, Wrong. Every Gacha Player i know playing like Honkai etc before, said, Genshin is Pretty Fair when it comes to Gacha. Yes its still aiming to get your Money. Its not an Angel. But he should not use Genshin for this Video, when he has no idea about it. (he= Atrioc)

Really hate loot boxes too. I just want to have that specific item/esthetics in a fixed amount so I won't feel bad having to spend that money on it because I know everyone who has it spent the same.

I'm a Day 1-ish player of Genshin Impact. You don't need to spend money on Genshin Impact to get characters you want, just do the events, explore to open the chests, make your team strong to beat Spiral Abyss and enjoy the story to get the currency needed to pull the limited characters you want. All of the above is free if you put in a bit of effort and play the game normally. And even if you do that and still don't get the character you want, the "exclusive limited character" thing is a lie, just wait for the rerun of the character. And let's say you do want to spend a little on Welkin Moon for example. It's worth it, because this game is at a very high quality. Has an engaging story, a world designed by incredible artists and arguably the best original soundtrack I've ever heard in a while. It is worth it if you're well off enough to show your appreciation to the devs for their work and for your own enjoyment of course. I wish Asmon would actually play the game to form his own opinion.

Last time i did gambling was back in late 90's when me and boys found out that you could play slot machines by using metal plain washers, those old slot machines registered those washers as if they were legit coins so we made tons of money with that so we always had plenty of candy and other goodies for free(we stole those washers from hardware store so those were free as well). Now if i could abuse the system like back then i might still take part in gambling "scene" because i like gambling when i know i can't lose anything :D

The guy was completely wrong about currencies. There's literally only 2 wish tokens in the game and 2 currencies to buy the wish tokens. All the other stuff like Starglitter or Stardust have nothing to do with wishing and is used as a currency to exchange for items which have absolutely nothing to do with the gacha in the game.

Gacha games taught me how to save and when to spend my resources, so it's basically a resource management game.

i have a few experiences with gacha games and i believe genshin is the friendliest gacha system of them all

your takes are so refreshing. you actually take everything in and accept what things are.

If you are going to play genshin, just want to point out that there is an energy system to what you can collect to ascend your party roster. So like in this video, "$1 for an instant finish" which is primogems = resin is not worth it since the adventure rank cap is 60 and any AR EXP will be converted to mora instead to make time for new players to catch up in future 3.0 updates, I don't think this applies for serenitea pot though.

Big A!!! I genuinely think that his Marketing Monday and Tarketing Tuesday streams are some of the best things on Twitch. Love how insightful he is about things I wouldn't give a second thought to.

I honestly feel privileged that I was able to play video games from that 1990 to 2010 era before everything started getting hyper monetized and the quality of games for the most part has decreased. I’m look at what my kids and nephews and nieces go through when they play some of these games are and they generally lose interest after like 10 minutes because we won’t pay for any of the in game currency bullshit.

21:25 it was not the gambling we wanted to see in lost ark, or if you get something or not. It's just watching you whaling to try to gauge how many rolls/attemps is actually needed to upgrade an item so we can project better what kind of time investment is needed to have somewhat decent gear that will allow the game to be playable/enjoyable. I watched TOF gambling for the same reason but for some reason I prefer just playing overwatch vs that, I feel i have way more fun.

It's always to have patience and reaaaaallly high will power to not spend at all. When it comes to gacha games, there are options to full for units or gear you want. Its a time sync effort that depends on you the player and the choice whether or not spending a few bucks can do good. I play gacha games on mobile (yes I play on phones so no heathen crusades here folks, plus I don't have high end PCs or laptops atm so I am saving a lot when I get there) and just think of them as minigame do lists and never think of mid maxing effort, always have fun and have some glorious moments or funny fails, either way gacha gaming is fun if you know how to avoid spending big money on a banner that is supposed to be important, just skip once, save your resources and hope for the best.

Also Asmon; proceeds being tricked

Prediction: all video games on all platforms will eventually be reduced to contributing to the degeneration of a segment of the human race, and calling them games will just be a nod to a bygone era.

so i'm going to put this out there, primo currency also serves two more function that an average player doesn't see. yes it creates obfuscation but it goes a little further than this. it makes withdraws/refunds of money harder for a consumer because there is no given dollar value to the item. then it also prevents the company from having to compile with regulations regarding consumer money handling because if your account had fiat currency on it, then the company handling that account have certain liabilities by law.

Bane: "I will BREAK you, batman. by locking you into a recurring $10.99 subscription service for cute anime girls."

For me as Genshin player and also played a lot of not p2w games such as PoE, I think the core of the video is true and realistic. In comparison, Genshin does have those ideas implemented to trick players to spend money, nothing doubt about it, this significants includes, resin(time gated farming), Event Banner (time limited character pull), Promoting social media (which is happening), Primogems to Pulling conversion (you look at you have thousands of primos but just realize it just worth a few pulls), dailies (to keep players log in), skins (slowly being published), constellations (more opportunies to buy something) and general gambling style of GETTing stuff. META change is also happening (explain later). Luckly, the better thing of Genshin is that the system designed in a much softer approaches, this including: no leader board (softer competitive aggression), Two step conversions currency (easier to calculated), Actual Gameplay to get rewards (exploration stories and puzzle, you may not like it, but you actually will engage the gameplays), Much less noticable shop menu, Promoting selling through stories (actually nice character designs and background lores), actually nicely designed stories, music, exploration areas (can see some affords not being "cheap") and much softer META changes. To expend on META changes, I would say there is META changes (some environemnts of abyss promote pryo team and some promote cryo teams), BUT it is soften because 1. GENSHIN has some baseline flexible characters that will provide baseline solutions to META and they are easy to obtain (Xingqiu Xiangling Bennett etc.). I also believe this is design on purpose to have those characters as a global solutions and also provide baseline structure of any teams. 2. the META change is not unsolvable by countered characteres or weaker characters. I also think GENSHIN is not design the way of MMO, but some people might tricked by the dailies to log in everyday and feel bored quickly. I am glad there is not significant endgame since a MMO style of endgame required constant difficulty increase paired with increasing rewards feedback, which I believe increases the chance of powercreep and aggressive META switches. I think Genshin is fine as long as the big patch coming consistantly and even more frequently. We really should treat it as a singleplayer games and I do think the contents of Genshin is not "cheap" as some people think. Add to endgame, I think a traditional risk-reward endgame is really a cheap design if not designed well (there are some well-designed endgames but a lot of endgame for Gatcha games are very "cheap"). Imaging, Genshin could put a PVP as a endgame, however, how is the affords to compared with design a whole new area music and stories? Some people might be less interested in stories and explorations, but it does not mean it is cheap to do. You can put a low effort endgame system to provide so-called replayabilities or you could design a new concept in visuals and areas constantly. I am not sure which one people really want. However, in the end, I want to say... probably humanity needs to envolve somehow. I do not really like the GATCHA aspect of Genshin in any direction. I hope there is a solution to the Gambling situation in the games. Remember companies still need to survive by competing with others, they need to make money for it and this is the core reason why more company considers this type of monetization, because people actually spend money for it.............. I bought some pulles myself so I cannot judge too much on others, but I recommend to treat GATCHA as a fix investment buying. Always count the worse case cost and calculated how much it should spend (one character 4 packs of money (if no pity saves)). and see if it is worth it or you can afford it. Remember it is the REAL price of a character, any extra left is just a bonus of chance nothing more.

i knew Atrioc Intention to shed a Light on how awful Gacha System really is and its Noble, but at the same time he cast a Shadow to the game itself. Saying Genshin has the MOST Currency out of Gacha game, saying Battle Pass and Welkin as a Way to Always Coping and staying to Play Genshin, the moment he say this i realize that he is starting to BIAS his Statement. I play many Gacha game and there is still many Elephants in the room. While at the same time Atrioc spending 1K on CS:GO Crate, is kinda Hypocrites to be honest. Like Asmon said, its okay if the thing we directly buy with money is a real thing and Guarrante like example Welkin, But Atrioc smears it like its a Bad Thing. I kinda starting to wonder what is his trying to prove?, How awful Gacha is? Or How Awful Genshin is?.

Man that video is old when I saw that graphic on the character revenue... Raiden Shogun probably made half a billion dollars on her first banner alone! Her Chinese revenue was $22mil if memory serves

This happened to me years ago I was extremely sad and not doing well in life for a number of years and got into a gacha game where I spent three weeks of pay in two days and I didn't even notice/think about it for a long time, I did the same with OverWatch lootboxes when they released seasonal skins cause of FOMO. What is crazy is that I was always rather frugal with money cause I never had much but the need to have those items/characters was too strong, now I avoid games that have these kinds of mechanics because honestly it can be easy to slip up and just tap a few times to make yourself happy if you're having a bad week and before you know it you burnt through a lot of money.

Genshin is 1) pve and single player with no leaderboards or pvp so having good characters doesn't matter. 2) I can get an average of about 70-80 pulls every patch. 75-80 is the soft pity(20 percent chance every pull, so 99 percent of 5 stars come here). 90 is hard pity. So i basically get 1 5 star every patch. 3) There are 4 star characters wayyyy better than 5 star characters in the game. For example Bennett,xingqui, xiangling, sucrose is a team made up of only 4 stars which were released with the game and everyone has them. This team is one of the best teams in genshin. It's called the national team because everyone can use it. 4) Artifacts are based on luck since you farm them. Whales can technically farm more but not by a significant Margin. There is a time gated system called resin but whales are also gated from buying too many of them and it's honestly more of a convenience thing than an advantage thing.

With gacha games i have mixed feelings. With Genshin i love the game, the esthetic and history. In the other side, hate the 90 pulls count, for the OC nature, but, is a more easy to understand system against other gacha. On the sour side, Tower of Fantasy playing since day one, still trying to learn the multiple currency system and how you get to a wall related of the power difference between SR and SSR. This is a matter really really important, mainly of the easy access to spend absurd amounts to stay on top or up to date with the content.

actually new 5 stars in genshin aren´t op, but the reason for this is, that they release a lot less characters in genshin then other gachas, therefor they make a lot of money with reruns, making newer units stronger then older ones would mean that people would never pick up rerun character and genshin tries to get new whales all the time. So what they do is change the endgame to always favour the curent banner character that way you always want the character on banner, but on neutral space most limited 5 star are close to each other on power level

I do light spending in Genshin, but I'd started playing when I'd gotten laid off due to the pandemic, so being tight on money, I'd laid out certain rules for myself. I only will spend the Welkin once a month, and one $15 dollar pack a month. If I lose in wishing, thankfully they now rerun banners more often now. I also keep a tight leash and check my bank account often so I can visualize my spending better. The last few months I'd not spent any money as I wasn't playing as much, but now with Sumeru I've been playing more, so same rules apply.

Genshin could be beaten with only first characters you've been given. So its not hidden behind paywall or smth like that. Every peace of content is achievable with just free stuff game gives you. So its not pay to win per say. But game is encouraging you to spend as much as you can that's true and there is no limit to that. + They've attracted a lot of influencers to propagate spending gross amounts of money on an in game content, whereas a game content barely worth like 60$ after 2 years of release.

I just wish the reality was that when you buy a battle pass or spend any money on a game beyond the initial purchase was that you are funding the game so it can improve and become a better version of itself. Not so you can buy devs new cars and boats and houses they'd only use occasionally because they don't actually need them. But I'm just some guy on the internet with an unfathomable dream.

10:40 That's...a real interesting choice of figure to hold up for moral and logical praise...

Genshin Gacha implementation is pretty tame compare to other game. You can legit can get away with only using free roll, i know i did. You only roll because you want the character and the weapons. Sure you can say its "P2W" but it kinda doesn't. Sure whales can clear harder content easier, but you can also do it with strategies and decent artifact. You also get the benefit from the whale since you clear content faster, and there is not really an incentive for you to be better than anybody, since there is no leaderboard or ranking system. Its honestly a pretty healthy system that i wouldn't mind spending a couple of bucks for a limited character banner (maybe, since i would like to keep myself f2p)

just a correction to not spread misinformation, in genshin u have like 2 currencies that are needed for getting new characters aka gacha for characters ... its Genesis crystals and Primogems ... now Genesis Cristals u can obtain by only buying them with real money ..u can convert them into 160 Genesis Crystals = 160 Primogems = 1 Pull, 10 pulls u get guarantied 4 star or more if u are lucky - Promogems (u get Promogems from playing the game u dont have to buy necessary, just save up) - character level up material bundles (u dont really need this u can just farm the stuff) - buy skins (if u want lol) - refill stamina or "resin" as its called in genshin (if u are a meta player, and want to level up in the speed of light lol, u dont need this to beat the game tho) Now Primogems u can convert into 2 types (Intertwined Fate and Acquaint Fate) for gachaing in a few different banners .. the thing is tho u dont have to convert Primogems into this 2 ... every roll in banners costs u the same amount of Primogems aka 160 Primogems for 1 roll ... why u still need to know about Intertwined Fate and Acquaint Fate? is because the game rewards u with this currencies from events you take part in or from exploring the world or leveling up characters ... so its good to know about them cause they can be used to gacha but they limit ur choices in banners to gacha on, they still free so thats nice Now Promogems u can also obtain by playing the game, exploring, doing events and stuff, usually they are not much but u still can get many characters ... its just if u want to get the character u want u need to save up and usually u can get a 5 star every update or more if u are lucky more then one 5 star character After u have thrown the Promogems u collected into the banners aka gachaed them away u get Stardust as an exchange ... there are 2 types: Stardust from 3 star stuff u gacha and Stardust from 4 and 5 star stuff u gacha, u can only use this Stardusts in the shop, sometimes u can even buy more Fates with them to gacha a few more times or even be able to buy 4 star characters from the shop ... now u dont really need anything from the shop ..there is nothing very important u really need from it ... i sometimes use the Stardust i collected to buy that mob drop i am to lazy to collect lol ... so in conclusion wat the streamer said about the game having many currencies i would say there is only the mentioned 2 Genesis Crystals and Primogems ...u dont have to buy any of them and still have a pretty bad ass account ..its a matter of patience with commitment ..everything u need to play the game u can collect and save up for ... all the other currencies u might see in the game like Mora (gold coins) or whatever else, u can collect all of this via playing the game ... if u run out of the other currencies u just farm for it 2 days in a row aka use ur resin for that ...next time u run out of level up material well guess what u farm that the next 2 days ... u log in, spend ur resin for the materials u need, maybe explore a bit collet a few Primogems, do ur daily 4 commissions that dont last 3 mins and log out lol ... i have to say tho this is not a game for people with gambling problems or impatient people that cant wait for their resin to refill. If u played the game for a while its easy to get into the groove where u have the downtime of an update, u finished most of that updates content and u are just log in to farm and save for the next character so when u get the character u can level them immediately without needing to buy extra stuff ... i didnt intent to make this an essay but here i am lol ..well .... fellow Genshin players correct me if i messed up with the info, i shall correct it later ... just play the game kid sir and see for urself

I genuinely don’t think genshin currency system is that bad

played both genshin and fgo and other gacha games and never found myself to spend a single penny. its more fun to spend time and effort in clearing content with the stuff you have and solving problems that only you have because you only have some meta characters/equipment.

8:13 is not the first thing they do when you log in tho, you have to search for top up, like in most of the games.

Played Genshin for maybe a year or two on and off. Have multiple 5 stars. Got a few hundred hrs out of it while spending $0. GIGACHAD Freeloader

People just don't have self Control. Playing Genshin Impact since release and did not spend a dime for Rolls and i have every Charakter i want and i still have enough currency do get all the others i want that come out in the Future.

I never really get hooked in a game to log in daily...

What i love the most about genshin is that as f2p just with a little more patience I have characters that other people waste thousands of dollars in lol

It is not as much of a stopper now with Google (and I assume Apple) storing card details "for you". While you can play all characters in Genshin Impact, the "stars" and such have some theoretical impact. Probably more than theoretical for min-maxers, but not as vital for me personally, though I only have played somewhat into it.

Genshin is a bad example for this, all you can buy with the premium currency are a few skins which theres has only been 6 released in almost 2 years beeing out and 3 of them were freebies from events, and a few bundles that dont give you anything special aside from a few resources. The other stuff he mentioned about currencies is false and stupid. So all you really do with those is exchange them for primogems which is used for pulls/wishes but are obtainable just by playing the game. You can clear any content in the game as a f2p, there is no pvp and you can get characters you really want just by playing and saving for them. Theres not even a need to spend money it just takes a little longer to get there. The Main issue i see is that there to many greedy morons that want every single character and want to max out everything, even though its completely unnecessary. And sure Fomo is a thing, but thats about it. Its way more f2p friendly and the gacha is a lot fairer than in most games of the genre. These types of games are meant to be played for a long period of time and making decisions on what you really want or need, you have to be selective about that, so dont expect to get everything thrown in your way. You can only play 4 characters at a time anyways, 8 if we talk about Abyss the basically hardest content in the game, theres not even a need to get that many characters.

im a stubborn free player if i cant grind it out im simply gonna quit the game

Creating the currency list will be as easy as taking a screen shot of the currency page.

I play Genshin mainly for the story. If there's no new archon quest, then I often just don't play until the next one drops.

EDIT TO ADD: I FORGOT to mention. Genshin Impact allows A LOT of opportunities in the game to get their platinum currency. This is why I don't have too big of an issue with the monetization for this game. Also, I don't understand the fuss with the currencies, either. The glitter you get as compensation for a wish that you can spend on additional wishes or in-game items. I don't know man. People are wrong about Genshin, but they aren't completely wrong. Genshin Impact is a great game. I got it on launch. I am also someone with past trauma that makes me prone to addiction, so I speak out against gacha games. I say all this to say this: Genshin Impact is not as bad as people make it seem. I've personally only spent money on the battle passes (which are fine; its basically a subscription fee on a free game) and in the past I've bought the gems when they were double the value (only one purchase each), and I've also purchased the 30 day currency pass when I played it every day. In total, I've spent maybe a bit over $100. The game is free but it's a live service game. I took a break and just came back, so I have Inazuma and Sumeru to explore now. I plan on purchasing just the battle pass this go round. If people do not hold themselves accountable and are prone to addiction as I hold myself accountable, then they shouldn't play these games. The problem is the internet in general allows so many people to come together and no one resolves their past trauma. They just compartmentalize and cope through para-social relationships on the internet, and they seek happiness through an addiction, which can be anything honestly. The chances of you reading this comment are slim, but I think Genshin's pay model is a bit predatory (I prefer Apex's model over everything) but it's not as bad as it can be. Diablo: Immortal is a sin and shouldn't exist.

+meta in genshin is 4* mostly + it's PVE and at end game you and a whale can do what you want in 5 minutes that's it. It doesn't matter if you whale unless you want bigger numbers that is much higher than enemies Hp poll

Did the math, in genshin impact, a brand new limited banner five star character costs an average of about 1600 USD to get the maximum number of useful copies. They also have signature weapons which can cost another 250 per copy, and there's almost no limit to the number of useful copies for some weapons.

I just got through pulling for a character Einz in Counterside that had a rate up Banner. I saved up 130 pulls and 7800 quartz. You get a guaranteed character at 150. At 130 I still didn't pull her, I used up all of my free pulls and since I was already invested I used some of the quartz that I saved to get to 150 to get the guarantee cuz I still didn't get her. The day after the best supporting character in the game Yang Harim went up on a rate up Banner which I would have much rather have pulled for. Now I have no currency to do so as free to play. The 30 extra pulls I needed to get to 150 cost 25 real dollars. So to do 150 pulls, assuming I wouldn't pull her before that would cost me $75 to guarantee to get her. The thing is I pulled on two rate up banners previously and I got lucky within 20 pulls got both characters I wanted, Serapel and Ifrit. These games know to fuck you over after you get lucky and make you reach in your pocket.

I play genshin as a f2p, and I have NOTHING to say to defend the gacha system... the only thing I can say is that there are other games that are worst... and that's not a good thing. I just play because genshin is a good game.

I love it, video of a guy reacting to a video of a guy reacting to a video. The internet is fucking stupid these days.

Aside from all the small problems that can be discussed about the game, if the actual question is “is genshin pay to win?” Than no. And it doesn’t crop whit all the others “fake f2p” because the values system works as a double compensation (there are 2 values to pool because there are 2 banners, one that is constant and 2 that cycle every 2 weeks whit higher possibilities for certain characters) so when you pool from one of this, everything that you pool gives you the single reward and a certain amount of another value that you can accumulate to exchange them back in wishes value, and then there is the standard value that you use in the game. Other than this you can find a lot of the value to gain wishes just by doing things in game, be it exploration, combat, challenges or leveling up, and there is always at least 2 events goong on that gives you that value, and finally, whit periodical redeem codes because of web events or updates and a pity system that is easy to manipulate. Whit all this things mixed together whit a normal amount of farming and attention that is even less than normal for this type of game, at the end of the week/month you’ll have enough of wishes that you need to have all that you want when it comes about in the cycling banner whit the augmented probabilities. All of this obviously implies the fact that the gatcha is still gatcha and that one must not just throw wishes whitout thinking, but still, the game doesn’t FEELS like you NEED to have certain characters or weapons, and you most certainly doesn’t actually have to. I think that the great thing of this game as a gatcha is that if you pool, you do it because of an idea of “theory crafting” or just because you like the character, as you encounter and know all of them in game, and not because you fell you need this or that character otherwise you wont probably be able to beat some of the content.

Zhongli sold well at his first sale because he is the archon of Liyue, which represents China. When he was released he was so not OP he was so weak that people complained and he got buffed as well as a change to his whole Element. Afterwards they rereleased his Banner but that is not this one.

Genshin is not even THAT predatory, like AT ALL. 4* characters are enough to clear the game, and Mihoyo gives you enough in-game currency every month that you can save for your favourite characters. That guy is tripping. LOL people spend money on it because they like certain characters, and it's your decision whether you want to spend money on it or not. Blame yourself for being a gambler, not the game. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Cant trick me if i have no money

Genshin has very few currencies. And they are exchanged 1:1 for primos. The reason you need to exchange it is because you use the other currencies to buy things like costumes. You cannot buy these costumes with primo gems also $100 equals 50 pulls. It’s not hard if you do simple math.

I know there's more to that but ONE of reasons to have gems/silver/dust/whatever is to have consistent real money prices, but being able to freely change "currency" price in-game. Its a way to avoid some troubles in many countries.

This video actually helped me realize I'm an achiever whale. I really do fork over money for convenience. Just 1 dollar won't hurt and it will make things go by faster. Hey where is all of my money? I see how I need to be more careful not to fall for it.

Some people might see this as a bad take but I don't actually see gatcha as gambling because there is a guarantee of getting what you want at a certain point. Getting the character before pity is just good luck, but not expected.

I gotta watch this from time to time has a reminder everytime i wanna play a new Gacha game to realize what i might have to deal with

ikea effect has a negative effect instead, i hated the furniture for wasting my sweat and time. so in game, i will quit the stage or boss and level some more and get good gear next time, rather than paying for an extension.

Honestly I've played Genshin for 2 years now and I have only spent 5 pound per month as the subscription fee... I can't feel for those idiodic whales, its not psychological warfare, its just people being stupid.