How Good Are Peasant Archers in Medieval 2: Total War?

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How good are Peasant Archers?
Peasant Archers is a basic missile unit for numerous factions in Medieval 2: Total War. But how good it actually is? Let's find out. The unit will face five trials in battle, and also its production will be scored. The rules for analysis are in the video, and can be found below.
Do you agree or disagree with the results? Feel free to comment below. :) And what other units you would like to have tested in this way?
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00:00 Rules & vs. Horde battle
05:29 vs. Elite battle
12:09 vs. Cavalry battle
13:35 vs. Missile battle
18:20 vs. small HRE army battle
24:50 Production and overall score
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Rules for the test:
Always 4 units will participate to the test battles
Battles fought against AI in medium difficulty - tactics can be used
Points in a fight: Based on victory or defeat level (max. 8 points)
Battles (total theoretical max 40 points - practical max about 35 points):
Round: Against a horde (8 x Town Milita)
Round: Against elite (3 x Dismounted Feudal Knights with +1 upgrades and +1 exp)
Round: Against Cavalry (4 x Feudal Knights)
Round: Against Archers (4 x Pavise Crossbowmen)
Round: Against an Army (5-unit Holy-Roman army)
Production (total max 18 points):
Cost: For every new 250 florins -1 point (max. 4p)
Upkeep: For every new 75 florins -1 point (max. 4p)
Availability: For every 2  +1 point (max. 4p)
Requirements: City tier +1  -1 point + special requirements affect
I reserve a right to adjust some of these
reasons stated, and showing also the ”mechanical results”
Total max points 58 (theoretically), perhaps about 45 practically
This video will teach you new things about units in Medieval 2:Total War. In this video you can learn how good the Peasant Archers are. If you play the game, want some new information about it, or just want to watch some visually nice fights of ancient times, check this video out :)
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Пікірлер: 34

@ebercondrell6603 3 ай бұрын

Only losing one man in a battle That one man is your general

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Yea, he was a bit over-eager :) Thanks for the comment.

@Eintracht-uy3cz 3 ай бұрын

very underrated unit in early period MP battles! they beat peasent xbows, they cause a morale penalty, but they lack the peasent xbows' raw damage output.

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the analysis. Yea, the unit did surprisingly well :)

@tlf7674 3 ай бұрын

Well someone paid off the Venetians.

@napoleoncomplex2712 3 ай бұрын

The AI is really, really bad at using its archers. If it isn't marching them out into the open in drips and drabs, it's leaving them in the front rank ready to get smashed by your cavalry before they've even had time to fire their first volley. They also seem to wait until they are way too close to start shooting, meaning by that time you've already gotten a decisive edge in the missile duel, allowing for upsets like this. The AI is a little bit smarter on the defence, but only marginally. Generally any ranged units the AI has are the first to die.

@timothyernst8812 3 ай бұрын

Partially it's the grassy field. The AI is really stupid on this map.

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

True :D Thanks for the comment.

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Agreed. Based on these tests the AI really struggles vs missile units :)@@napoleoncomplex2712

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the interesting info. I did not know that the map also affects AI's capabilities :)@@timothyernst8812

@-----Alcatraz------ 3 ай бұрын

Early game they will suffice when you are conquering rebel settlement. But after that i just ditch them and get myself some mercenary crossbowmen. Because a 5 range damage isn't going to cut it when those feudal knights show up.

@andrei903 3 ай бұрын

Well, have you seen the actual battle with feudal knights? Heroic victory btw

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Fully agreed on that Merc Crossbows are way better. And I would not want to fight cav on the open field with these :) Thanks for the comment.

@Gitsmasher 3 ай бұрын

I am glad someone else love mercenary crossbow😂 Armor piercing unit in early game with reasonable upkeep and hring cost just awesome

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Imo it is one of the best units in the game exactly because of early availability :)@@Gitsmasher

@Rakiael07 3 ай бұрын

A very basic unit, yet capable of netting over 300 kills, provided they use up all of their ammo. Also, because of their low range and fast reload time, I often employed them to harass the AI while the latter was engaged in combat (in a similar way to Velites) Edit: syntax

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Agreed. They deal surprisingly much damage, if they can hit the enemy from the back :)

@timothyernst8812 3 ай бұрын

The worst archers in the game, but some archers are better than none. I like these for shooting over palisade walls during sieges of villages and motte and bailies in the early game.

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Sounds rather useful. Imo from city center these units can do relatively well and shooting from walls inside the castle too :) Thanks for the comment.

@Gitsmasher 3 ай бұрын

Despite its humble stas those archers are quite usefull in early sieges since most fortifications are pallisade.. lol i once got lucky burning a battering ram in a def siege battle with such unit😂

@timothyernst8812 3 ай бұрын

@@Gitsmasher I've killed many a general's bodyguard with them.

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Wow, that last one should award an achievement in the game :D Thanks for the comment.@@Gitsmasher

@Gitsmasher 3 ай бұрын

@@qualityoldgames7721 have you make a "how good" about Trebizond archers? I cant find Trebizond archers in your how good plaslist last night😆

@napoleoncomplex2712 3 ай бұрын

Not sure what happened to my first comment. Maybe KZfaq doesn't like the word 'slaughter' or maybe the video hadn't been out long enough and I got mistaken for a spambot. If this isn't proof that the worst thing to be on a Medieval II battlefield is an infantryman then I don't know what is. They get slaughtered by cavalry of course, but get them on their own against a group of unhorsed knights and they turn into goddamn commandos, and these are the worst archers in the game. They really can't cope with knights though, and die even faster to light cavalry.

@tlf7674 3 ай бұрын

I dunno, I think it might be worse to be an artillerist :P

@timothyernst8812 3 ай бұрын

Infantry were HEAVILY nerfed in Med2 from what they were in RTW. They are undoubtedly the worst category of unit.

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Agreed with your analysis. The unit did surprisingly well :)

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

That is very likely :D Thanks for the comment.@@tlf7674

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

That seems to be the case :) Thanks for the comment.@@timothyernst8812

@rorschach1985ify 3 ай бұрын

If there is any explanation for why the AI flubbed it's Missile battle so badly, I think I can offer mine. From what I have seen when looking at archer duels between Bowmen and Crossbows, after both sides fire at each other to the point the Bowmen are down to less then half their unit number, the Crossbows usually just start walking up to them to finish them off, because it sees the enemy as weak enough to no longer need to be fired at from far away and sees the battle as essentially won. Basically, the Pavise Crossbow Militia saw your Peasant archers as such easy kills it arrogantly assumed the fight was already won and deiced to just walk up close to you feeling it could not lose, only to pay the price for it's overconfidence. Funny enough it still killed enough of your men to make it a close victory in spite of it giving it to them lol.

@qualityoldgames7721 3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the interesting comment. That makes sense imo :) So, they took enough casualties to start firing again.

@rorschach1985ify 3 ай бұрын

@@qualityoldgames7721 Well it's more they thought they could walk right up close and fire face to face which is what they do usually when they down a unit to half their number, but in the case of Peasant Archers they tried that from the start which is why they started firing so close to you.