How Good Are Sergeant Spearmen in Medieval 2: Total War?

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How good are Sergeant Spearmen?
Sergeant Spearmen is an early-game spear unit for several factions in Medieval 2: Total War. But how good it actually is? Let's find out. The unit will face five trials in battle, and also its production will be scored. The rules for analysis are in the video, and can be found below.
Do you agree or disagree with the results? Feel free to comment below. :) And what other units you would like to have tested in this way?
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00:00 Rules & vs. Horde battle
05:02 vs. Elite battle
07:11 vs. Cavalry battle
12:05 vs. Missile battle
14:13 vs. small HRE army battle
17:14 Production and overall score
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Rules for the test:
Always 4 units will participate to the test battles
Battles fought against AI in medium difficulty - tactics can be used
Points in a fight: Based on victory or defeat level (max. 8 points)
Battles (total theoretical max 40 points - practical max about 35 points):
Round: Against a horde (8 x Town Milita)
Round: Against elite (3 x Dismounted Feudal Knights with +1 upgrades and +1 exp)
Round: Against Cavalry (4 x Feudal Knights)
Round: Against Archers (4 x Pavise Crossbowmen)
Round: Against an Army (5-unit Holy-Roman army)
Production (total max 18 points):
Cost: For every new 250 florins -1 point (max. 4p)
Upkeep: For every new 75 florins -1 point (max. 4p)
Availability: For every 2  +1 point (max. 4p)
Requirements: City tier +1  -1 point + special requirements affect
I reserve a right to adjust some of these
reasons stated, and showing also the ”mechanical results”
Total max points 58 (theoretically), perhaps about 45 practically
This video will teach you new things about units in Medieval 2:Total War. In this video you can learn how good the Sergeant Spearmen are. If you play the game, want some new information about it, or just want to watch some visually nice fights of ancient times, check this video out :)
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@timothyernst8812 15 күн бұрын

If you give them two armor upgrades, they're about on the same level as unupgraded armored sergeants. This effectively doubles the size of the recruitment pool for your spear troops or gives you a quality spear unit without upgrading the barracks to produce armored sergeants. Not a bad unit for what they're for, but they're a support unit and aren't going to win battles on their own except against cav.

@qualityoldgames7721 15 күн бұрын

Agreed on that. It seems that Heavy Infantry really just chops spearmen if they cannot form a proper pike formation :) Thanks for the comment.

@askthepizzaguy 14 күн бұрын

I prefer to use the cheaper spear militia you can get from towns, keep them at free upkeep for a bit, build up a castle with an armorer and go send like 10 of them over there at a time for retraining with armor upgrades. They are mainly defensive troops and I don't care about their lack of offense, they're just the anvil against which I hammer the enemy. They keep enemy cavalry from touching my much more valuable missile units, sword/axemen, or crushing my general with lots of knight units. They do their jobs well, are cheap and easy to recruit and replace, and I don't have to care about them much more than that, but if I'm being cheeky, sending them on crusade just before I capture the crusade target grants them free experience. Having hordes of cheap upgraded spear infantry with the offensive and morale bonuses due to being veterans is actually a really sweet deal for the middle of the campaign. Great for sending to the outermost settlements of the empire that actually need quality defenders. You get a lot of bang for your buck with spear militia, properly managed. I consider the upgraded versions of spearmen to be overly expensive and more difficult to replace and not worth the marginal increase in effectiveness, but in a pinch, recruit them to bolster the defense of a place that needs emergency troops, then disband them when the trouble has passed, like mercenaries. Spear militia that are upgraded, however, I would keep forever. Even late game, they do something, like keep elite enemy units bogged down in melee with a unit I don't really care about while I destroy their general and cavalry and whatnot. Then their elite units are easy to surround and destroy, and all I've really lost are men I instantly replace at the nearest town, which is everywhere.

@qualityoldgames7721 13 күн бұрын

Thanks for the detailed comment. Very valid points. So, even basic units with proper usage and upgrades can retain quite a bit of value in the late-game :)

@rorschach1985ify 12 күн бұрын

In my opinion, all low tier Spearmen units would benefit from having a unit size of 200, and all Spearmen in general would benefit from having an increase in 9 availability. It's dumb how you can recruit more Knights then Peasants or Militia troops when Knights were rarer. I would make all Knights, even Mailed Knights, only available at 4 at the highest so you would be more likely to use the lower tier lighter troops instead of filling your whole armies with Heavy Cavalry.

@qualityoldgames7721 12 күн бұрын

Thanks for the comment. Those would be interesting modifications. I also think that the availability of different knights should be decreased quite a bit. And perhaps e.g. all knights having the same recruitment pool, i.e. the player decides the gear level into which put the knights :)

@Elem156 15 күн бұрын

Ah yess the back bone of early game until got mass replaced by some tin can with sword 😂😂😂

@qualityoldgames7721 15 күн бұрын

Indeed :D Thanks for the comment.

@napoleoncomplex2712 15 күн бұрын

They're marginally better than spear militia I suppose. Why would you ever use your castles to generate these losers when there are perfectly good knights and archers you could be recruiting? Well, they can defend the walls pretty well I suppose. Until a swordsman unit breathes on them and they scurry back to the town centre to await death by a thousand arrows. These guys don't get the credit I gave the spear and town militia because unlike them, there are better units in your castles you could be spending your hard earned florins on.

@qualityoldgames7721 15 күн бұрын

Fully agreed on that :) Thanks for the comment.