How good is the Clio 200 Cup and is it as fast as our 172?

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4 жыл бұрын

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Our first tracktime since pre-lockdown and our good friend Darren was kind enough to let us jump in his Clio 200 Cup so we could compare it on track to our 172. Having owned the Clio 197 before, we were aware of how good the Mk3 Clio Sports are but it has been a while since we've driven one. As the video shows, we were very quickly reminded just how special they are to drive on track.
Car specs:
Clio RS 172:
Intake - Ramair induction kit
Exhaust - decat, custom stainless catback
Front suspension - BC DS coilovers with 3 degrees negative camber (adjustable top mounts, camber bolts)
Rear suspension - BC DS 'coilovers', rear axle shim plates (camber and toe adjustments)
Front Brakes - Ferodo DS1.11 pads, Brembo HC plain disks, braided brake lines
Rear Brakes - Pagid pro race pads, Brembo HC plain disks, braided brake lines
Tyres - Yokohama AD08R 195/50/15
Interior - rear cage, perspex front windows, fully stripped
Clio 200 Cup:
Front Brakes - Ferodo DS1.11 pads
Exhaust - Milltek
Suspension - Eibach lowering springs
Tyres - Semi-slick rally tyres
Interior - all spare seats removed, short-shift kit, bucket seat.
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@Azz_3r 4 жыл бұрын

Good to see my old 172 still going strong,!

@TheGlovedDriver 4 жыл бұрын

I will never get tired of watching you guys trashing around these fwd baguettes! An absolute pleasure to watch! Great content

@EstrassFaMiLi 4 жыл бұрын

Baguettes 🤣🤣🤣

@frenchpatriot7356 4 жыл бұрын

Mec t'es francais et t'arrive à t'auto denigrer en disant baguette mdr c'est comme si j'appelais toute les anglaises les bagnoles des rosbif

@PaulBd78 3 жыл бұрын

The Gloved Driver ! Vous ici ! Merci pour vos excellentes vidéos !

@Max-vx5bc 3 жыл бұрын

@@frenchpatriot7356 fais pas ta majorée cest de l'humour mdr

@frenchpatriot7356 3 жыл бұрын

@@Max-vx5bc bof si je parlais d'un produit chinois on disant c'est un truc de face de nems ça serait marrant ?

@jamiemarshall2262 3 жыл бұрын

172 cup owner! Definitely see the difference in handling between the two, 200 is definitely more capable. Little 172 power to weight really shows on the straights though! Great vid 👍

@richards4456 2 жыл бұрын

Been in a stripped 172 track car. They really do fly!

@NStein-si3dr 4 жыл бұрын

You guys are the craziest out there, that's for sure :'D always pushing to the limit with these little beasts :D

@padraic5316 4 жыл бұрын

Nice to see you guys back on track

@frelinxavier6067 3 жыл бұрын

cant' wait to get my 172 RS1 back on the track!!!!congrats boys !!!still entertaining clips!!! cheers from France and "vive la baguette!!"

@ryo-san1805 4 жыл бұрын

I live in Japan. I always look forward to your videos. This video was very interesting and very entertaining too! We'll take care of each other and look forward to the next video.

@traxnada 4 жыл бұрын

Where are you in Japan? I'm near Osaka myself and happen to also own a 172 RS1 :) I actually just bought a 172 RS2 F1 Team last friday also :)

@ryo-san1805 4 жыл бұрын

traxnada I live in the Tohoku region, which is much further north than Osaka. But it's surprising how often people in similar cars meet each other, so maybe we'll cross paths at some point!

@traxnada 4 жыл бұрын

@@ryo-san1805 Oh yes that's far indeed! Well if you ever do a road trip down here, message me again on here, I'll surely be around ;) Cheers!

@jwenneberg 4 жыл бұрын

Great video! I stick with my 172 phase 1, which I fell in love with, not because of its performance (alone), but because of its looks. True love :-)

@DaPlod 4 жыл бұрын

The fist waving and shouting gets me laughing every time. xD such good cars.

@pancho8334 4 жыл бұрын

Nice video guys!!!! And nice driving as usual!

@TiagoFerreiradaRocha 4 жыл бұрын

So composed! Very good, guys!

@Lucas-ck1po 4 жыл бұрын

You guys could make a video on a tour of your cars. Which mods you've done, what has broken, what's been reliable, your expertise on whats really a must do mod with these cars, whats not so... a little bit of your expertise on mods and ownership. Your videos are such pleasure to watch, it would be nice if you guys posted more : )

@eartimevibes5994 3 жыл бұрын

I've had great moments with friends on track in my little 17poo, great cars smiles per miles 💯👍🏾

@thebikerepairshopformby 4 жыл бұрын

Good to see you back boys 👍

@tonk1337 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent as always gents 👌

@FloidyHD 4 жыл бұрын

Love the vid as always! Alex, Matt, have you thought of doing a video on what the cars are running and what plans you have for them? (Other than buying a clio 200)

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the support bud! A good idea, some car walkarounds etc are on the cards!

@rhysowen5595 3 жыл бұрын

Genuinely love watching these videos, especially as they have a lot of Renaultsport in them; I've always had a love for the Clio. Looking forward to the day I can afford a few good mods for my 197. Question: since you guys drive with such finesse, did you ever have any training, if so, where? Or did you just grow up learning?

@derbi91130 3 жыл бұрын

Toujours aussi amusant vos vidéo Continuer ! 😍

@bugattiincroyable 3 жыл бұрын

You guys are madlads haha and the cars are awesome !

@sahingeri3852 2 жыл бұрын

I love my 172 Rs phase 1 which has run 334000 kilometers and it is still very fast only problem is that it pulls to the right love this car man.

@jdmfreak22 4 жыл бұрын

Another great video! I always comment the same lol, but that fist celebrating and the laughs, really make my day!

@r.v6290 3 жыл бұрын

this was genuinely an epic video

@papakyriakouandreas 4 жыл бұрын

Another amazing video lads!! Top driving as always. Would love for one of you to get behind the wheel in an R26 or 250 CUP and give it hell!

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

If you know of anyone willing to let us loose... send them our way!

@oldskool1234 4 жыл бұрын

Great vids my favourite channel now that danny dc2 doesnt make vids

@chriscarenduff2010 3 жыл бұрын

I have both cars , clio 172 cup and clio 197 only had the cup on track. Cant wait to get the 197 on track to compare with the 172 cup. Both great cars. Brillaint video. I have took the cup to knockhill, croft and oulton park and it's never let me down 👍.

@scottderrington4068 2 жыл бұрын

Have you had the 197 on track yet to compare? What are they like against each other on the road?

@chriscarenduff2010 2 жыл бұрын

@@scottderrington4068 yeah mate had both on track. The 172 Cup i have done about 14 trackdays and the 197 had on track at croft last year. They both were brilliant on track. The 172 felt that bit lighter.

@VERYMENTAL 2 жыл бұрын

Iam so loving this!

@tjshill82 4 жыл бұрын

I had 182 track spec and now have a 200 track spec. The 200 is definitely better. Not really that much in the performance stakes but the suspension set up and chassis is much improved over the 182. Both great cars tho!

@rubenvalente 2 жыл бұрын

Which is most fun? Does the 200 lacks the torque because of being heavier? I drove a 172 and had great low down grunt...

@Bomster1 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome vid! Fellow 200 owner here, they really are epic on track. Just wondering if this car was running an LSD? It was putting the power down so nicely out of some of the slower speed corners.

@EpicBurnReturn 2 жыл бұрын

Having owned both I'd say the 172 is lighter and more agile, marginally quicker and for what its worth much better on fuel. But the 197/200 is so much more confidence inspiring. The chassis is so capable that the car actually feels like it could do with another 100bhp. I loved both for different reasons and would love to own either again in the future.

@Odin889 4 жыл бұрын

Great fun!

@Jam06_ 3 жыл бұрын

The sound of the clio 200 🥰

@Gaaaaaaaaaaad 4 жыл бұрын

You guys rock :D

@WalesGaming86 3 жыл бұрын

I've owned both these cars, albeit the 200 was FF with the cup pack. The 172 was probably the most fun as it's like driving a go-kart, but the 200 was so much more refined you could really throw it round the road with confidence. I'm pleased I got to own both and never regretted owning them. Just keep them serviced and replace the belts early. Come on Renault, lets get back to making amazing hot hatches.

@johnmcmillan5282 4 жыл бұрын

Rally semi slicks are mental good run them on my megane

@-DC- 4 жыл бұрын

This channel is hilarious 👍

@insidebyte8561 4 жыл бұрын

The 200 with proper Coilovers, polybushed and upgraded anti-roll bars would be unstoppable

@mrc7966 4 жыл бұрын

What are the semi slick tyres that the MK3 is on?

@yushamarks2211 2 ай бұрын

I belong to the RS club here in Cape Town South Africa . I’ve had the 182 RS as well as The R26 megane and Clio Rs200 luxe . And they have all been mapped plus extras and for me personally the RS200 stole me from the get go has the best fuel consumption can be thrashed all day . And is so so sooo capable. Just got to watch them gearbox synchros 😂 .

@davidgermain 2 жыл бұрын

that syncro sounds like its seen better days lol

@Ahogg1992 4 жыл бұрын

And there was me thinking you might of gone rwd. One day maybe one day

@TeamDriftNationVideo 4 жыл бұрын

Any footage of the MG that was out with you guys? Would love to see that!

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately not, but we're out with him again soon so hopefully

@shiftgear95 3 жыл бұрын

What exhaust is on the clio 200, sounds epic

@Itsallfun3000 4 жыл бұрын

What mods is the 200 running and what pads? Great fun video as always

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Eibach springs with standard cup dampers, Ferodo DS1.11 pads and some semi slick rally tyres!

@gavinoliver8074 4 жыл бұрын

Another great video. What camera was in the 172? If its the same what settings? Works much better in the light!

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Gopro hero 8 Black, and we manually set the exposure before hand. On the helmet cam it was a hero 5 black we messed up and left it on auto exposure and it didn't work so well.

@gavinoliver8074 4 жыл бұрын

@@CamberandCombustion thanks for the reply! Your videos always seem a right giggle!!!!

@peljohnson2939 3 жыл бұрын

Hi I’m a big fan of the channel and I own a Clio cup 172 it’s on my channel. I recently had the gear box go and was hoping for some pointers on which ones are a good replacement as people seem pretty conflicted about it on the Clio forum and I knew that you guys know your stuff when it comes to clios. If you don’t have time for my comment then I fully understand thanks.

@CamberandCombustion 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Pel, thanks for the kind words! Unfortunately we don't know a whole lot about the gearboxes for Clios. From our experience the standard one on our 172 seems to be suited relatively well to the tracks we've been to. I think one thing to look for which you may already know is to make sure you get the one with the right bits to drive the speedo as the 172s pull the speedo from the geerbox not the ABS rings on the driveshafts.

@ChrisKronk117 3 жыл бұрын

“Bit hot through the hairpin” KZfaq decides to give me a Durex ad. Coincidence? I think not!

@vancloosterjean-noel9266 3 жыл бұрын

What happened with the fabulous 306?

@Bredmirror 4 жыл бұрын

Nobody: Alex: 💪

@roryshine9261 3 жыл бұрын

That Matt's getting a 200 soon 😂😂

@neilbenton1152 4 жыл бұрын

I've a 200 rs unbelievable sorted hothatch , love mine keep thinking about a megan conversion on it though ,,

@chrisparry4461 4 жыл бұрын

Just buy a Megane 250! I’ve got both and there both totally different drives.

@neilbenton1152 4 жыл бұрын

I know but I just love the looks of the clio !!

@chrisparry4461 4 жыл бұрын

Neil Benton get it supercharged!😛

@sinonose 2 жыл бұрын

which of the two cars is more fun?

@spencerstevenson5397 2 жыл бұрын

At 2:33 take that steering lock off ! Let it drift out much faster 👍🏻

@BarneyWobba 3 жыл бұрын

I'd like to know the reason why the 172 pulled ahead. I presume down to weight or some other mods like flywheel?

@CamberandCombustion 3 жыл бұрын

Flywheel is standard, 172 is a lot lighter and with 180bhp its quicker on the straights

@abc123732 4 жыл бұрын

Even with the Setup on the 182 it’s no match for them tyres fitted to that 200 lol. 182 noticeably quicker on the straights tho, even with the slower corner speeds and exits!

@oSparXo 3 жыл бұрын

Did you ever drive a rs1 ? Whats your opinion on her ? I have this car and i love it :)

@CamberandCombustion 3 жыл бұрын

No we haven't had a go in one...yet!

@kirb_206rc 4 жыл бұрын

Need to come and meet the locals here at the nurburgring lads 👌

@mikeygti8930 4 жыл бұрын

Chaps......any merchandise on the horizon? Or have i missed it? Mike

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, we've recently run a batch of Vive la Baguette sunstrips and have a couple left. What sort of thing would you be interested in?

@SuperLitherland 9 ай бұрын

I bought 197 CUP in white Today 2023 . woo!

@p1fly 4 жыл бұрын

Some crazy people on trackdays lately just like these people, complete asbo behaviour behind the wheel driving like lunatics with no regards for other track users and lift off oversteer all over the show, and some close calls nearly ending their cars and I absolutely love it!

@Dylanhr__ 3 жыл бұрын

That’s how I’ve always described my 200 cup trophee.. just feels right 🤷🏻‍♂️

@drazenbudis7881 3 жыл бұрын

They made 200 Trophy?

@Dylanhr__ 3 жыл бұрын

@@drazenbudis7881 Maybe just a model iteration for Australian market. I think the only difference for the Trophee over here was the hardcore Recaro buckets and different wheels. Best part is you barely ever see them over here! Makes it feel so much more special

@greenmarcus4444 4 жыл бұрын

Great Great Great 🤩🤩

@Bryan-ir1ex 4 жыл бұрын

didnt you guys have a 197 before? which blew up lol.. is the 200 very different to the 197?

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Yes we did... and yes it did! It's hard to say how 197 vs 200 feels, maybe because we are no used to driving the 172 the 200 feels extra good.

@jamiieos 4 жыл бұрын

weren't the garage midnight bois out on track ? warm hatchs

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah they were having a lot of fun by the looks of it!

@jamiieos 4 жыл бұрын

Camber and Combustion good to hear

@gokhangzd 4 жыл бұрын

aaaaahhhh ohhhhh woooaaahhhh aaah

@cibimbox9195 4 жыл бұрын

want to see you driving suzuki swift sport zc31s

@JN-qj9gf 4 жыл бұрын

I went from 306 GTi-6 to 200 Cup - both bloody fantastic in their own ways. Might be hard not going back-to-back, but is the 200 that much different from the 197?

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

You've owned a couple of the best hot hatches! We remember our old 197 being very good, for some reason this 200 felt even more incredible to drive but that may have been because we'd just jumped out of the old-school 172.

@miniduds 4 жыл бұрын

Camber and Combustion quicker ratio steering rack on 200 CUP might make the front feel more positive

@Chaln123 4 жыл бұрын

Is there someone with a 106 Rallye on the track? Respect.

@CamberandCombustion 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, that was one of the Garage Midnight guys

@Chaln123 3 жыл бұрын

@@CamberandCombustion thanks for the reply, I'll check them out!

@markonovak8444 4 жыл бұрын

Is 200 any good Matt? 😂

@alexblackham9674 4 жыл бұрын

I'd be interested in seeing a 206 GTi 180 vs a Clio 172

@leetymcleet6490 4 жыл бұрын

I had a GTI 180. 120k miles of pure fun! Seriously underrated car and funny as f**k in the wet. Think the light weight of the 172 would prob win out on track tho.

@stevegee6529 4 жыл бұрын

@@leetymcleet6490 i had a 172 cup in 2006, my mate had a 206 gti 180. The clio was noticably quicker in a straight line.

@LozzyTheTransporter 3 жыл бұрын

A baguette 🥖 will always be in my stable

@bobeyes3284 2 жыл бұрын

What tyres we're they both on?

@CamberandCombustion 2 жыл бұрын

See description

@RepsolRC211V 3 жыл бұрын

Are those 200 cup door panels or some custom?

@CamberandCombustion 3 жыл бұрын

Standard as far as we are aware!

@RepsolRC211V 3 жыл бұрын

@@CamberandCombustion standards have door handles :)

@90smania33 2 жыл бұрын

I'm torn between selling my 172 and getting a 200 😅 or keeping my 172

@MrCaterhamr500 2 жыл бұрын

I think you were short shifting a bit and not using its full potential personally. They need to be wound up to 7500 in every gear (200 factory cup owner) Had you been doing so I don’t think there would be any difference on the straights between the cars.

@jeancharlesrabaux5658 5 ай бұрын

Demain on fait pareille avec la ford à papa ok ou la type e 😂

@Tombrosapien 3 жыл бұрын

Are these your dailies?

@CamberandCombustion 3 жыл бұрын

No, both track cars! Although the 200 would be fine to live with day to day.

@aidencameron7962 4 жыл бұрын

Why has the 200 got manual wing mirrors

@PureLeeful 4 жыл бұрын

A normal 200 with or without the cup pack does, the cup on it's own doesn't.

@aidencameron7962 4 жыл бұрын

@@PureLeeful oh

@thomasmason8481 4 жыл бұрын

You can get a clio with all the air con, cruise control etc upgrades with a ‘cup pack’ from the dealership. Black door strip on exterior = normal cup, colour coded door strip = cup with add ons

@geoffcarlton4047 3 жыл бұрын

Drive one with the Meg conversion, different car again then. In the wet with a little help from TC you can stay with the big boys.

@ChrisKronk117 3 жыл бұрын

How do you find the meg swap? I’ve heard mixed reviews. Some say it ruins the car others say it’s amazing. I must admit for myself I don’t know if I’d like it as I love the Revvy nature of my 200. But I definitely wouldn’t mind giving a meg swap a go.

@geoffcarlton4047 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChrisKronk117 it does take away a bit of the character of bouncing off the limiter but the chassis is so good it's a shame to not give it the extra power it deserves. I had my daily 197 and my track 197 with megane engine so best of both. If you track it then meg it. Road use probably not much point.

@onneb007 4 жыл бұрын

I think the 172 would match the 200's corner speed if it had a proper semi on :)

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Matt had a semi on 👀

@onneb007 4 жыл бұрын

@@CamberandCombustion yeah but the Yoko compared to like an nankang is not the fastest tyre

@mrfrancy0154 3 жыл бұрын

Fiat Punto Abarth 2008 vs Clio Both modified like this cars in this video Why not? Will be very funny

@cryptobond0079 3 жыл бұрын

How much for 306?? Clio 172 is quicker than the Clio 200

@cryptobond0079 3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Bundy quite clearly the 172 is quicker watch the video

@enfantterrible4868 3 жыл бұрын

Is the 200 much better than the 197?

@CamberandCombustion 3 жыл бұрын

The 200 Cup was always said to be the best of all the Mk3 Clios and we can agree with that.

@chrisparry4461 3 жыл бұрын

The 200 is so much better!

@superbrit3845 4 жыл бұрын

Interesting to see that the 172 is quicker than the 200 on the straights.

@idiotsandwich6727 3 жыл бұрын

172 has more hp per ton so not so surprising.

@jochem1986 3 жыл бұрын

Idiot Sandwich it is, because aero works against absolute hp, not hp/tonne.

@MrCaterhamr500 2 жыл бұрын

They weren’t taking the 200 up to 7500, had they done I would bet there would nothing between the cars

@ivancamacho7668 4 жыл бұрын

The 172 needs a better driver!

@reparalotumismo7359 4 жыл бұрын

Diferences betwen clio 197 and 200 cup?

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Hard to say without driving them back to back!

@MrCaterhamr500 2 жыл бұрын

The 200 got lower gearing 1,2, and 3rd and cylinder head was slightly reworked along with mapping to bring Max hp in a little earlier. The 200 sounds best if you don’t put a noisy exhaust on as the engine really screams at the top end. They need remapping as std map is not great and most are not producing their proper power, once mapped they’re excellent. Need good fuel as they’re 11.5-1 compression ratio, some people run 95 octane and they’re down on power as the ecu pulls timing. Ideally 99 Ron for these.

@muaythai193 4 жыл бұрын

Try the 220.

@filip1296 4 жыл бұрын

Which is faster then ? Is it worth to upgrade from 172 to a 200 ?

@markonovak8444 4 жыл бұрын

In corners 200. On straights 172.

@chrisparry4461 4 жыл бұрын

It’s deffo worth the upgrade!!

@filip1296 4 жыл бұрын

@@chrisparry4461 if you change to coilovers it would probably be even better :)

@jammskii 2 жыл бұрын

*woof

@kayzenl7911 4 жыл бұрын

you don't need 500 HP, you need a little NA engines little hothatchs lighe is right and that's it ! Funnier than a GOLF GTI or even a supercar

@samuelgomez3311 3 жыл бұрын

I think it depends on the driver overall...

@kayzenl7911 3 жыл бұрын

@@samuelgomez3311 no it doesn't

@jeancharlesrabaux5658 5 ай бұрын

Heureusement qu on vous a pas mie de turbo 😂

@GuitarRock86 2 жыл бұрын

How the f**k is slower?? hahahaha I love clio because i win a lot on Project cars 2 with clio cup. I was driving with u guys.

@jeancharlesrabaux5658 5 ай бұрын

Quant enfin les môme ce rende compte que papa a menti et qu il avait m aurait goût 😂

@samuelgomez3311 4 жыл бұрын

Verdict: so the 200 cup is NOT better than 306 at all...

@CamberandCombustion 4 жыл бұрын

Both great cars and very different. Don't make us choose...

@sataneatcheese6243 4 жыл бұрын

But they're French.... Does look bloody rapid though.

@brabecjakub 4 жыл бұрын

No black flag? :( 😂

@jeancharlesrabaux5658 5 ай бұрын

Gosse de riche direct dans le bein mouillé ton slep 😂

@Robcatist 3 жыл бұрын

The 172 is quicker the 200 is to Lardy.Mind you the 172 is fuckin deafening inside 😂

@drivenbypassion3634 4 жыл бұрын

1:50 The 172 sounds like a 4AGE in my opinion

@TIM612826 3 жыл бұрын

182 better 😉

@TIM612826 3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Bundy slower....ha ha

@TIM612826 3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Bundy Matchbox v kitchen matchbox...ha ha

@TIM612826 3 жыл бұрын

Like u...lol 😆

@TIM612826 3 жыл бұрын

@Mark Bundy your just a jealous driving a bmw lol

@TIM612826 3 жыл бұрын

Its my daily btw! I got a golf r for kicks! Its nothing special, i could lie and say a lambo or something! Im just saying the 182 is a cool car...