1:13:46 As an American hearing this part of the convo it’s clear that there’s a misunderstanding of what Kendrick meant. And many Americans feel the same way. Drake STEALS peoples original styles, sounds, etc. It’s not about a moment or damned if you do damned if you don’t. It’s that he uses and disposes of people like a used tissue when they’ve outlived their usefulness. And he uses them for what he lacks CULTURE and COOL factor. Most recent and small example Smino amazing smaller rapper has had HIS OWN style for years now: natural hair and barrettes. Drake stole that for his most recent “era”. He does it to everyone and the lucky ones are the ones that he formed a relationship with where he can go back to use them more than once like the ATL trappers. 21 to make him sound hard and hood, Future to him sound cool and reach the strippers and clubs etc. That’s cultural currency that he uses to propel himself while never actually doing anything FOR the culture. Someone using another’s cultural currency makes him a culture vulture or as Kendrick best put it a COLONIZER

You know who’s Jewish, grew up in Beverly Hills, and was IMMERSED in gangsta rap for DECADES, and NEVER has been accused of being a 'Culture Vulture' -- The Alchemist. Why do you think that is? Authenticity and a clear devotion to the culture. The problem with Drake was that he aligned himself with culTures and sounds from places that he has no affiliation with for monetary gains and false credibility. People seen how he's moved for the last decade and that's where all the "resentment" or "rejection" comes from. His disingenuity was called out and resonated with way more people than his arrogance thought it would.

Kendrick was never an underdog! Thats the frustrating thing 😂 I listen to both Drake and Kendrick. Kendrick was always had the hit making ability of Drake he’s just chooses to make music about things that are personal to him which is not always going to be relatable to large commercial audience

People dont want to put respect on Kendrick's name, but his accomplishments are up there with Drake. ● 17 grammys to Drakes 5 ● Pulitzer Prize for Damn ● Longest charting hip-hop album in billboard history 11.5 years GKMC ● Highest grossing hip-hop tour in history with the Big Steppers tour ● 3 out of his 5 albums are classics where Drake has released 13 albums & only 3 or 4 are classics, most of which have an * next to them because of the 👻 writers. Take Care is his best body of work & The Weeknd pretty much wrote that for him. Drake can try to son him all he wants, but that doesn't. Kendrick just doesn't brag, he be inside.

this is the Pod everyone was waiting for

Drake thoght "Family matters" would be the ko. Hence him repeating "ya dead" at the end. Can't imagine how he reacted when "meet the grahams" dropped less than an hour later

“No, you not a colleague, you a fuckin’ colonizer.” Is one of the greatest lines in rap history because it’s the truth. *

Family Matters was hard! But after hearing meet the grahams In the whip I had to park up and sit in silence for a few mins to deep it.

Kendrick did not say a name out of respect for the child. No where in this battle did Kendrick disrespect anyone that did not deserve it. Meet the Graham’s uplifted the kids while tearing down Drake. That is the brilliance of it.

That analogy of being in the club and slapping a dude absolutely found its target 😂😂😂... Kendrick is a psycho and Drake became oblivious due to his arrogance 💯💯

Glad to see Mitch is more a student of Rap than Akademiks and Mal. Mal was jumping out the window his melt down was so bad.

When you guys talk about “being an outsider”, that is something every region in America outside of New York had to experience. The difference is LA didn’t try to sound like New York, Atlanta, Memphis, Houston, Miami, didn’t try to sound like New York. They crafted and developed their own sounds and let the world catch up. He never took over Toronto as a local artist. He’s cultural couch surfing from city to city, from style to style. When you say what was he supposed to do, the answer is be a champion for your own city FIRST. Where is the Toronto swag? Where is the Toronto slang? Don’t even wear a blue jays hat. Rap is a regional art form with a global platform and he approached it and himself like a product and the artistry passed him by.

The way mitch is describing how unprepared drake was is killing me 😭😭😭

You cannot call out the one guy labelled "the boogeyman" and then just expect the response to be a muck-about. It almost felt like Drake wanted this beef to be a light entertainment for everyone without knowing who Kendrick really is and what hip hop culture means to him. Kendrick came in the ring wanting blood!! There's a reason why he called out everyone in 2013 and no one responded. Kendrick had producers lined up from early and the best move he made was the way he released "Meet The Grahams". The way he stumped out Family Matters instantly was how we won it imo

Man kendrick truly has quotables from this beef so many lines that will be said years from now that will jog the memory. Truly a all time beef and win by dot

A part of me believes Drake kept going at multiple people so that he'd have a ready made excuse for if he loses. He could always say "Everyone was going at me, it wasn't one on one"

Kendrick restored balance in the hiphop universe. He showed that you cannot deny the authentic greatness. He got the whole world signing and dancing to a song calling Drake a pedo 😂 how do you come back from that? KDot is the GOAT!

Drake's fatal mistake was mentioning Kendrick's bm.

drake thinks he is superman and Kendrick understands he needs to be like batman who has a contingency plan to kill every superhero incase they ever went rogue

"Don't think the Chinese aren't ready for mandem" 😂😂😂

Cool to see Mitch isn’t as bad as Akademics and the like. He’s pretty objective

OvHoe Mitch is here

Honestly Mitch’s analysis of drakes mistakes in this battle are hands down the best I’ve heard.

Not like Us was recent because Kendrick mentions Drake doubled down calling black Americans “slaves”….he walked right into being called a colonizer

They not like us is a certified smash. I have not stop playing that tune since it came out.

Drake definitely saw Kendrick on his level this is why he’s salty about Kendrick winning awards and how much respect the culture gave him when Drake essentially had to buy it

Every time Mitch talks I remember why i like (pause) this brudda!!!

Mitch was very objective, credit to him

The biggest aspect of Drake that generates dislike or hate from the culture and pure hip-hop fans is his pretentiousness. He is not from the streets and has seen nothing, why pretend to be a hard man when clearly he is not? He may find the culture fascinating, nothing wrong with that, but why pretend to be that? Authenticity is a major part of Hip-hop culture.

for the record, kendrick has bigged up simz and it feels inevitable that they work together

1:08:44 No. But Drake should probably have some sort of relationship with them. Drake really jumped from Skepta to Dave to Giggs to Headie One to J Hus to Central Cee. Seems he cares about who has the hype more than actually developing meaningful music relationships. Comes off as a phoney

He lost when he said he can’t be a pedi because he’s famous

The best commentary I’ve heard from the UK regarding the beef ! You explored many points and remained objective opposed to other podcasts !!🙌🏽

Where Kendrick got him was when he represented where he was from and Drake could not do that, that’s why They Not Like Us hit so hard!!!

Kendrick did "Ether" and "hit em up" on Drake in the space of 2 days. with "Meet the Grahams" and "Not Like Us". Meet the Grahams is the most disrespectful diss track, and Not Like Us is the most commercial diss track.

Facts or undeniable facts?...K Dot vs BBL Drizzy has to be arguably one of the best Rap Battles on a mainstream level in history. Just based on that one weekend that changed it all. Good to see real lyricists like Kendrick Lamar win convincingly. He tried every style possible and then the finisher is the club banger Not Like Us. Even Drake sounded defeated in The Heart Part 6 that he was even contradicting himself 🤣...the real always win. One way or the other.

Kendrick has worked with Lil Simz

Mitch what people are saying is that Drake jumps on people who are rising just for himself (and he jumps into their culture and jumps off). No one knows who he is because he cosplays as that culture. If he worked with them and been himself (not adopting accents and such) or found people who were good and not already rising but put them on (while being himself) I don't think anyone would be upset with him. The lack of Authenticity and paying homage bothers people. He actually fixed his mouth to say Kendrick rap like he trying to free the slaves. That was so tone deaf.

A lot of ppl doesn't like Drake because he's disrespectful to ppl and the black American culture. He should've took Wayne advice and be himself. It's not that he's Canadian, again, he's disrespectful. According to Joe Budden, its a character flaw. Some ppl can't handle fame and power.

This is one of the most objective reviews I’ve seen. This was fire 🔥🔥🔥

Drake contradicted himself way too much.

Can we all admit the “Fake Mole”story is BS. The timeline of events doesn’t make sense for it to be true. This was just a narrative Drake took from Twitter.

If Drake was telling the truth then why not show why he believes his lies besides IG likes. Also, the reason Dave Free doesn't have to respond because no one believes Drake and by responding it then opens that topic to more debate.

1st time on this channel, I so love the passion and honesty of Mitch.

Do we forget that one dance was a Wiz kid track and hotline bling was a track that was stolen too... Hell take care is the weekend. He's a teef

This episode is another classic, started with Mitch, ended with Mitch.... smashed this episode to pieces, enjoyed it...

certified convo love takes and opinion always a solid episode when Mitch is in the building, salute

Man drake keeps mentioning peoples wifeys then shit hits the fan. I honestly think he wouldve put up an even better fight had he kept it clean. Went with the ice put ppl on I'm bugger in spreading shit around I'm what the world ,women,kids,men listen to. His the biggest artist in the world not he best rapper.

OvHoe Mitch in the building!!!! We been waiting on this oneeeee

Didn't nobody ever question CLB cover of those pregnant women..

Love Mitch's energy and passion

WOP WOP WOP WOP

There has not been a day since it dropped that I have not played euphoria multiple times. Everyone is stuck on not like us. But euphoria is literally going to be a classic if it isn’t already.

This was a great convo. Drake isn’t taking anyone’s advice about taking a break. He is working on “summer vibes”

1:29:00 I hear it but Wayne in that interview was trying to save face for his friend. He wrote a book and literally said it was the absolute worst thing he could’ve found out about. Drake doesn’t get that pass 🤷🏽‍♀️

Always backed Kendrick! Drake didn't even understand half of the references Kendrick threw at him! Especially the one suggesting Drake was a 'PeterFile' went right over his head!

Yes “Not like Us “ was a satire song to me. A dark subject with mad humor in it . And that’s the best way to come at Drake imo. A banger and meme type song. Beat Drake at his own game

No, i think he planned for Kendrick. Drake thought playing the field and controlling the narrative via the internet was the way to go. He took his Meek angle and Pusha T's angle and combined them to create his new plan. He came with club songs, memes and tea. He goaded Kendrick into the family angle because he thought the kid and DV angle would win it for him.

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Stand for something or fall for anything. Is what Drake stands for money and girls? Can you really attach him to artist development as a whole? Idk. I think that’s the main issue with Drake dipping and diving with so many artists all over the place. What’s his rap ✨aesthetic✨ if you will. His rap or hip hop philosophy? I don’t know if he has one. And honestly he didn’t start from the bottom so.. if he was doing it for clout and fame. Perhaps he should’ve leaned into it a bit more. Kim K but rap. He’s proved with this he’s not necessarily about the music, not in any significant way anyway…

Kendrick won, but I learned that people were really praying on Drake's downfall. Haven't seen people celebrate this much since Bin Laden got packed

Kendrick won

Drake came to The States but he didn’t take over. From Day 1 he was put on by the biggest artists. From Wayne to Jay-Z, Kanye West…he was getting verses, beats, etc…from these guys. But then there was markets he couldn’t tap into until he linked with ATL. So for him to talk down to a J. Cole or a Kendrick is wild when Jay-Z signed Cole but backed Drake more only to have Drake start to go at him as though he’s above him. Likewise, Kendrick had Dr. Dre’s co-sign but you look through his projects they aren’t laced with Dr. Dre beats. He instead chose to continue using producers he was in the mud with. A lot of Drake fans don’t know Future come from the legendary Dungeon Fam because he chose to go off on his own and get it out the mud. These are all things Drake never did. He came over here on borrowed and stolen styles/songs from Canada. And then he continued that same method throughout his career. Whenever one sound becomes stale he’ll move to the next hot sound. Where Kendrick and Cole are constantly carving out their own sounds, styles. Look how long it took for Kendrick to rock on a Mustard beat. And then he used two types of Westcoast delivery styles. Something he could have done long ago but he was busy forging his own path instead of wave-riding.

No one who rates drake highly is a student of the game. PERIOD.

For real I was awake when Family Matters dropped…and therefore I was awake when Meet The Grahams dropped. I think my beef senses were tingling. I couldn’t fucking believe it. How am I up at 5am listening to Kendrick and Drake going at each other. Shit was wild.

Been waiting on Mitch’s analysis!

What I would like to add to the conversation is this. It's not just the hip Hop community that feels slutted out by a interaction with Drake. The same thing goes in the gaming community. Yes, the online video gaming community. Drake does the same thing he gets with the hottest guy plays a game or two with them. They get a certain rush and then it's all over and they're left slutted out and they have no contact with Drake. It's a pathology

The myth because drake is the bigger artist the artists he "works" with benefits more than him is false, he benefits the most as he gets cultural currency and actual music as it clear the guy aint write much and its just a performer. Thats why he does it so much and from so many places through out the US and the world. Mitch is ignorning the fact that he doesn't go on do his thing he goes and he does someone else ting and does it to another artist/culture. Open your eyes.

Finally the pod I was waiting for!!!

Kdot🏆 Drake🏳️ Cole🏳️

This is the most level-headed, adult take of what transpired. I've seen man-babies scream what basically amounts to "ITS NOT FAIR", but as Craig here said "It's war."

So happy you chose the right side. Big up Chuck

I bet drake wishes sooo bad that he could go back in time and not release family matters and say that stuff about Kendrick and his family. Kendrick even warned him very clearly on euphoria. Crazy. After what’s happened either his ego has gotten a massive reduction or his level of delusion has gotten a massive boost

Kendrick did it for us dark skinned man!

Kendrick has a moral code. He didn't mention an 11 year old's girl that potentially is Drake's daughter because that would impact that girl's life immensely. He didn't brought up people affiliated to Drake that are not in his Drake's close circle or in hip hop like Millie Bobby Brown. That's why he says not to speak on Serena Williams because she's not in hip hop or even in music and yet Aubrey was still taking shots on her

Mitchy Are You Okay?, Are you Okay Mitchy?

28:41 I actually witnessed it in real time. I'm always up around 4am as my job has me waking up really early. witnessing that was was not only amazing but funny af!🤣

I randomly shout out, what is it? The braids. Kdot had so many good lines. He controlled the pace of this beef, was able to change the tone at will, and had so many options in his arsenal. He remained focus and on offense

From when "Taylor Made" came out, I would've never predicted things would go like this. I thought it would be closer. It's pretty much a unanimous win for Kendrick

My name is Ali from Inglewood CA USA checking in. I really appreciate the conversation over here. I would love to converse with you guys in the future.

Been waiting for this and you both delivered !!👏👏👏👏

1:07:11 it's that he does it by being that person or borrowing their persona until it isn't hot anymore...who are you as a person and or artist, Eminem never switched who he was, Drake is whoever is hot or got a buzz does for it season tours for 2, leaves. rinse. repeat ...then sleeps with they girl...hides out in Turks until the next new artist pops...

I was disappointed with Drake's performance in the battle. He seemed distracted, unfocused and underprepared, with a weak strategy, and yet, he was projecting so much confidence against a lyricist much more shrewd and articulate than himself. Was this hubris? Because if this was going to be his performance I'll never understand why he responded to "Like That" in the first place - he could've avoided all this damage to his public image in the process. Kendrick out-rapped, out-strategised, out-manoeuvred, AND out-streamed him. Kendrick dropped devastatingly detailed disses that deconstructed Drake as an artist, person and cultural figure, he showed he could diss effectively in all tempos, all while completely dictating the pace of the battle. Drake lost on every metric. As a fan of both, this battle felt a little one-sided. We didn't get Drake at his best. I just thought he'd be a bit more clever since he had a decade to prepare for this moment! Oh well...at least we got some great records but I don't think this battle reflected two artists at the top of their game. One was...the other kinda stumbled through.

Drake was the aggresor this time round icl. The beef starts from First Person Shooter not Like that. First Person Shooter was meant to include Kendrick and he declined the offer so Drake and J Cole took subliminal shots on that song, leading to Kendrick responding on Like That

Kendrick is telling yall listeners to learn Our Culture and respect it because you are a guest.

Best UK pod 🎉🎉 I was waiting for my UK dons to review this. 😅

Every single one of Mitch’s points here were valid 🔥🔥🔥🔥

What chuckie said at 59:45 was absolutely insane.

Just some perspective as an American. You're right that Canadians are looked at as outsiders or maybe don't have "street cred" but that's not the main reason he's not accepted. He just tries to be something he's not. Acting like a gangster or mob boss. Like we saw you on kid's TV as a child actor and you grew up wealthy. People are not that stupid. Spot on about him getting away with it because he could make bangers. He just pushed his luck too much though. Also trying to provoke the west coast when you're some Canadian actor? Like how dumb can you be? That's really not a game he wants to play acting like a tough guy because people can really get hurt fucking around with this stuff.

Ok Mitch knows his shit Nas ‘I don’t soloist only kill squads’ - You’re The Man

Cant explain how spot on this is 21:33

This is only the second video ive seen of this channel and this host has such a NAIVE mentality. His takes on the beef shows how surface level he thinks. It's ok sometimes but in the matter of the topic, it's wild to see lol. The guest in this video and the other Kendrick/Drake video (guy with glasses) have the most common sense and in understanding what is happening and what was important.

Great episode, Mitch broke down this beef very well, Drake got complacent and took his eye off the ball

The king was dethroned in 5 days.

Drake lost it for me when he tried to diss the great Michael Jackson. Have some respect. Kendrick is the man.

I love hearing these two talk about music. Love from 🇨🇦

Ahhhh before I even watch… Ovo Mitch is here…. Let’s see the bias and I will UPDATE

Drake has daughters from black women but when questioned about them he denied them in front of the world.. But accept adonis from a white mother when pusha brought it up.. Is crazy

I'm proud of ovomitch being quite objective on here, there's nuance to the culture vulturism cause it's benefited the others too, but it also looks funny in the light, things like getting tatted BBK, the accents.. Kendrick did a double entendre.. Yes fan = freaky as.. But also he's a FAN of these cultures. Nothing wrong with that, just its a bit weird cause we don't know who he is, where as Kendrick, it's clear who he is, who he represents..

No lie Chuckie trying his hardest to defend Drake Una 😂😂