How GOOD were Electabuzz & Electivire ACTUALLY? - History of Competitive Electabuzz & Electivire
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Күн бұрынElectabuzz & Electivire! The electric pokemon! Electabuzz and Electivire have high voltage and motor drive but can they shock competitive battling? Join False Swipe Gaming in this brief overview of Electabuzz and Electivire in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
0:52 - RBY/Gen 1
1:48 - GSC/Gen 2
3:20 - ADV/Gen 3
4:47 - DPP/Gen 4
7:38 - BW/Gen 5
8:39 - XY/Gen 6
9:26 - SM/Gen 7
9:56 - VGC Gen 7
10:57 - Outro
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Notice I said POPULAR formats, meaning a format where there is a significant amount of people who compete in it for tournaments and so on and so forth. Now Popular does not mean official even though two of the formats I will be covering were official formats being Japan Nintendo Cup and VGC, but it is an indicator of what a good portion of competitive players thought was “optimal” at the time. Also sometimes the Pokemon Battle Historia doesn't provide enough information to talk about certain Pokemon so I add Smogon analysis to make sense of it. This is pretty rare though.
To the people asking why I don't cover Smogon Singles for Gens 1 and 2: It wouldn't really be a history video if I covered those because online Smogon gen 1 meta to my knowledge wasn't actually played until late 2000s. I wanted to cover tournaments/competitive battling that was actually played during the early years of Pokemon (late 90s).
To the people asking why I cover Smogon at all for singles: To my knowledge, Smogon was the most popular format for Gens 3-5 and held a number of tournaments throughout the years. As for Gen 6, I am not covering Battle Spot Singles because there is more information and explanations about sets being used relative to their own meta on Smogon. In other words, there are few written analyses about Battle Spot Pokemon besides the Top tiers and I would like to avoid theorycrafting because it may have a hint of bias (though I theorycraft if I REALLY couldn't find information on a certain Pokemon). The keyword here is explanations. Though I did find statistics of most Pokemon used and most moves used, there wasn't really any explanations on why. Also the few Pokemon I did find analysis of for Top Tier Battle Spot Singles had very similar move sets to the Smogon OU sets anyway.
For the record, I do not care what rules or formats people play their battles by nor am I saying these formats are the only formats that should be played. The way you play Pokemon is between you and your opponent and I will not fault you for using evasion or whatever, I just like examining popular tournament formats.
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@FalseSwipeGaming 5 жыл бұрын
Whoops! There actually is one VGC placement for Electivire. Jon Hu placed 5th in the Collinsville Regionals with it. His team also had Pikachu! Major Apologies! trainertower.com/vgc-17-collinsville-regionals/
@MapleMilk 5 жыл бұрын
Radical. Thanks for sharing with the class.
@nirtheart 5 жыл бұрын
False Swipe Gaming JON HU 🙌🌟
@felixlee9645 5 жыл бұрын
do honchkrow!!!!
@wariotalkingwithoutlungs 5 жыл бұрын
Electivire is a goron
@bandanaBrosDandB 5 жыл бұрын
Never see you make this kind of mistake, and everyone makes them! Thank you for doing such a good job on this and all your other videos
@kobyma2 5 жыл бұрын
Electivire found a place in Pokemon Go of all things, where it's currently one of the best Electric attackers.
@alinepiroutek8932 5 жыл бұрын
Crazy isn't it?
@antebabic3130 5 жыл бұрын
Wait do people still play that game?
@starboiklem8381 5 жыл бұрын
How does pokemon stats work in pokemon go🤔
@alinepiroutek8932 5 жыл бұрын
@@starboiklem8381 They transform DEF SDEF in Defense, ATK SATK SPD in Attack and HP in a different HP.
@Kyle-ys8ot 4 жыл бұрын
Ante Babic it almost has half a billion downloads
@FiboSai 5 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this for some time. Electivire is a shining example of a Pokemon that looks so good on paper but ends up performing miserably. Its stats look good, its movepool looks fantastic, it has a cool ability, but in the end, it fails to do the one thing it should be doing well: Killing things. Electivire will forever be remembered as the pokemon that taught us that "It's super effective" does not always mean you will get a 1HKO.
@shirshanyaroy287 5 жыл бұрын
I think this also shows that unless a pokemon is a ridiculously good generalist, it will always lose out to specialists.
@smaragdchaos 5 жыл бұрын
Increase Electivire's speed and give it better electric physical STAB and you will help it out quite tremendously
@goGothitaLOL 5 жыл бұрын
Iron Fist ability, Drain Punch and Superpower (if not Close Combat) would help too
@mrtable2861 5 жыл бұрын
If they gave it a fighting typing as well as the moves volt tackle, close combat and mach punch, it would be so much more viable. And it seriously bothers me how gamefreak never considered making the electabuzz line electric/fighting when they based it on both onis (ogre like creatures with immense physical Strength in japanese mythology) and raijins (shintoist divinities that can summon Lightning), gave it mixed attacking stats (well, mostly electabuzz) AND gave it a bunch of fighting type moves. I swear, it's almost like they're trolling us by making all these pure types pokemon who SHOULD be dual typed but aren't because shut up (special mention goes to Luxray).
@yungmuney5903 5 жыл бұрын
@@mrtable2861 Super Strength =/= Fighting type
@gengarzilla1685 5 жыл бұрын
I really hope Electivire gets a big break someday, because this is just flat out depressing.
@therattleinthebook397 5 жыл бұрын
Play ZU
@ALLMETAL1970 4 жыл бұрын
Maybe mega elective will make us rue the day in gen 9
@joshuabaldeo3935 4 жыл бұрын
Still bad in ZU currently aswell :(
@jakedc1997 4 жыл бұрын
Legit give it Fighting type, a stronger stab, and maybe a new ability like ironfist (Possibly on that one)
@PsyrikAntz967831 4 жыл бұрын
Better yet, if you want to make him jump STRAIGHT to OU/UUBL or possibly even Ubers (which is doubtable lmfao) give him an ability that gives all punching moves priority, it’ll take full advantage of its punching attacks! I don’t think he’ll be Ubers with that because he lacks a good boosting move, and to be in the OU metagame, having a great 123 attack isn’t as impressive unless you’re banded. A metagame where Pokémon are gradually becoming stronger than previous generations, this is why it could be hard for Electivire to find his place easily; however, priority oriented punches allows you to not stress about out speeding your opponent too much since there’s a 95% you’ll always go first, thus you can confidently go for Adamant nature and invest in a offensive bulky set to compensate for the above average defenses by investing defensive EV’s, and STILL confidently will outspeed your opponent most-likely. This ability could either be called _”Lightning Fists”_ or _”Flash Fists”_
@SlothBrah 5 жыл бұрын
I remember when Diamond and Pearl came out, everyone and their grandma were running Gyarados and Electivire lmao
@gengarzilla1685 3 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the new toy syndrome. I'd have just stuck with Jolteon if I wanted to muck around with the Gyaravire duo.
@tylersoto7465 3 жыл бұрын
Electrivire is very useful it has enough electricity to power a large city for a year lol
@powerfulberry237 3 жыл бұрын
My grandma literally ran that team when she was still alive
@ultimatefirecracker1486 2 жыл бұрын
@@powerfulberry237 sorry but I laughed at your comment 😂
@JCBro-yg8vd 5 жыл бұрын
Now we need to round it out with How GOOD were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
@knju1monsterhunt656 5 жыл бұрын
Seconded.
@TooManyLuigis64 5 жыл бұрын
thirded
@TheRealmDrifter 5 жыл бұрын
As long as it's not Lickitung & Lickilicky
@felixlee9645 5 жыл бұрын
or leafeon/glaceon!!!
@TheEagleNut 5 жыл бұрын
About as shitty as Evire. Weakness to Stealth Rocks killed any chance it had competitively. It's fallen to PU
@dylancarl22 5 жыл бұрын
I’ve been requesting for ages. Let’s go for the opposite. How GOOD were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?!
@TheCaptainFrodo 5 жыл бұрын
Booooring
@dez2950 4 жыл бұрын
Fordo no u
@alzinasexywillis8615 4 жыл бұрын
@@dez2950 he's opion dumbass
@TimG57867 5 жыл бұрын
Ah Electivire. I was one of those noob kids during Diamond and Pearl that read its OU Smogon page and was caught by the allure of its bonkers coverage and it holds the distinction of being one of the few Pokemon I bothered to breed proper moves onto in Gen 4. At the time however, I didn't realize OU had nothing to do with the catridge and that there was an online ladder so fortunately I didn't humiliate myself too much. Electivire, while terrible, will always hold a place in my heart for marking one of my firsts steps in properly understanding competitive Pokemon.
@fernandonguyen1197 2 жыл бұрын
@@ZyrusSmith ???
@YaBoySheeny 2 жыл бұрын
Same as i cause it was always a fave. Still fun to use imo
@2022irons 4 жыл бұрын
4:48 - 5:39 *The Rise* 5:40 - 8:39 *The Fall* 8:41 - 9:55 *The Decay*
@gustavorodriguez8702 5 жыл бұрын
You know what? We definietly wanna keep the trend of Gen 1 mons that get an evolution in Gen 4 Thus, HOW GOOD WAS MAGMORTAR ACTUALLY?
@renatoramos8834 5 жыл бұрын
It wasn't, end of the video.
@gustavorodriguez8702 5 жыл бұрын
I know, but I want to know more about its _terribleness_
@moonjelly5 5 жыл бұрын
Will this be followed by HOW GOOD WERE LICKITUNG/LICKILICKY ACTUALLY?
@blazingexil4003 3 жыл бұрын
@Jett Lucas Hayes competitively
@yaboidragonitehere1137 2 жыл бұрын
Competitively. Magmar is not very good. Magmortar is always a lower tiered glass Cannon pokemon
@BigSkab 5 жыл бұрын
How GOOD were Magmar & Magmortar ACTUALLY?
@sussy3778 4 жыл бұрын
Electabuzz fainting animation on Stadiums always looked funny to me, the poor thing looks like it is having a stroke.
@NightmareZerogbs 4 жыл бұрын
outclassed by Togedemaru?!? OUCH
@naganut9718 2 жыл бұрын
To be fair, togedemaru is in NU, a higher tier than other electric types
@HunterSash 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks to everyone for getting us this Electric Boi But it's time for the fiery boi How good was Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY!!
@xSwiftx4 5 жыл бұрын
and who comes after that? ...Farfetched?
@superflashxmedia7706 5 жыл бұрын
Let's continue with how good were Magmar And Magmotar actually?
@MrGatsu 4 жыл бұрын
The most memorable thing about Electabuzz is it’s cry in the anime, and Paul’s electevire was a beast
@levibentley6667 5 жыл бұрын
I don't think Paul would be happy to see that his strongest pokemon (besides Drapion) lies in the lowly land of Smogon's Untiered list.
@gengarzilla1685 3 жыл бұрын
His Torterra struck me as stronger anyway.
@dabuff1319 3 жыл бұрын
Electivire is my favourite electric type so even tho he isn't perfect he's still a good mon in my book.
@kabelguy70 3 жыл бұрын
W H A T A B O U T H I S A G G R O N ?
@kabelguy70 3 жыл бұрын
@Jett Lucas Hayes Yes, a good majority of his team is, but W H A T A B O U T H I S A G G R O N ?
@Acacius1992 3 жыл бұрын
@Jett Lucas Hayes Its still better then Silvers team in my opinion
@Jcub86 5 жыл бұрын
Now we gotta cover Magmar and Magmortar so... How GOOD were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
@scoots291 5 жыл бұрын
How good was whimsicot?
@sceptilethehedgehog5862 5 жыл бұрын
How Good Were Magmar and Magmortar Actually?
@bankrollrastaman7060 5 жыл бұрын
I'm with you
@pacoramon9468 5 жыл бұрын
Poor Electrivire, he has such a cool design
@lolpop2118 2 жыл бұрын
Pickatchou Cool er design &/ q electivire atk 29 iv sk Jam
@alexanderthegrrrreat6727 2 жыл бұрын
@@lolpop2118 what
@therider2050 2 жыл бұрын
@@lolpop2118 should... Should I get help for you?
@marinasofi6508 5 жыл бұрын
How good were Magmar & Magmortar ACTUALLY? -History of Competitive Magmar & Magmortar
@bankrollrastaman7060 5 жыл бұрын
Let's upvote all the Magmar comments & it'll happen
@eydis9554 5 жыл бұрын
Next week there will be How good were Magmar & Magmortar ACTUALLY? No matter what you say. HI CARL MY SWEETHEART! HAPPY NAMEDAY!
@bankrollrastaman7060 5 жыл бұрын
Hell yea!
@loganpalardy5147 5 жыл бұрын
Hopefully
@Coolhand118 5 жыл бұрын
Lol ikr
@dmurphy915 5 жыл бұрын
Obviously
@maxspecs 5 жыл бұрын
Can't have one without the other!
@kayokango 5 жыл бұрын
It sounds like a simple stat buff would fix the problem here. Unfortunately Game Freak is notorious for not fixing simple problems...
@goldenhydreigon4727 5 жыл бұрын
You mean like how they're not fixing Sword and Shield
@JSmithBlog 5 жыл бұрын
#shotsfired
@ksoundkaiju9256 5 жыл бұрын
kayokango the most it would get is like 5 extra points as I don't think Gamefreak would give it 600+ in its Stats
@Unknown-gf1ci 4 жыл бұрын
@@goldenhydreigon4727 #Iwantsinnohremakes
@goldenhydreigon4727 4 жыл бұрын
@@Unknown-gf1ci Same
@J0S1T067 7 ай бұрын
Electivire in the second dlc of Pokémon Scarlet and Purple was given new moves, which are Bulk Up, Trailblaze to increase its speed, Knock Off, and a new 100 power physical attack
@chamber8234 5 жыл бұрын
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@Spinwizard196 5 жыл бұрын
You are a legend for putting the time into this
@omega5040 5 жыл бұрын
Mewtwo went twice
@JoeBro915 5 жыл бұрын
You’re a real one for putting it in alphabetical order too
@GodlessAnti 5 жыл бұрын
I c u bitch
@Dwn4ll7 5 жыл бұрын
I hadn't seen the unown one thanks
@Lando-kx6so 5 жыл бұрын
Now you have to do Magmar & Magmortar
@Yell0wCheese 3 жыл бұрын
fun fact: In gen 6, there was a short lived FU metagame (the prequel to ZU, fuctioning as a tier below PU). In this metagame Electabuzz was the face of the entire tier, it was very fast for the tier, pretty bulky with eviolite, and had amazing coverage which made it the easiest pokemon to fit on a team. It also had very little competition as an electric type. While it might not have been the most powerful pokemon in the tier, fraxture probably took that title, it had something like 60% usage if my mind serves me correctly. That tier was hella fun, i miss it
@MapleMilk 5 жыл бұрын
Or: "The Rise, Fall, and Decay of Electivire"
@blaster.m1943 4 жыл бұрын
There was no rise...there was a promise...
@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv 4 жыл бұрын
The birth, assassination, and cremation of physical electric types.
@fork-man 3 жыл бұрын
@@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv honselty it sucks and is stupid if you aren't a fast or speedy sp,atk electric type pokemon you are screwed
@khengevana7640 5 жыл бұрын
How GOOD were MAGMAR and MAGMORTAR actually? You gotta do the duo
@pseudonym834 5 жыл бұрын
Magmar and Magmortar next!
@davidtimmer596 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone think Electivre would also work as an Electric/Fighting type?
@seabirdflutter 2 жыл бұрын
they're really missing their shot at fixing two problems (electivire being crap + having unused type combos) by doing this.
@warmblanket3394 2 жыл бұрын
Not really, but zaraura, common
@OGrupxe 2 жыл бұрын
@@warmblanket3394 Yes really It literally is a bulky, humanoide ape-like punching Mon
@rajkanishu 2 жыл бұрын
@@warmblanket3394 zeraora deserves nothing but the worst
@gregorymirabella1423 2 жыл бұрын
@@rajkanishu why?
@pacoramon9468 3 жыл бұрын
One of the few pokémon where all the members of the evolution line are cool looking.
@NanaKyoto 5 жыл бұрын
Let me guess, how GOOD was Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY next?
@CosmicFlareYT 5 жыл бұрын
Okay, so we got our Yin, Electabuzz/Electivire all charged up for this show. Can we now have our Yang, Magmar/Magmortar all fired up for the next show?
@gamerguy425 5 жыл бұрын
It fails for the exact same reason Luxray (an extremely similar pokemon) fails; identity crisis over physical/special attack when you want to go one or the other really, not enough speed (95 versus 105 makes an ENORMOUS difference competitively), and physical electric attacks fucking suck. seriously, why does Wild charge recoil when thunderbolt doesn't recoil, has the exact same amount of damage, and has a slight paralyze chance (on top of not making contact)? Not fair.
@alexbluecyndaquil 3 жыл бұрын
I know right? Wild charge NEEDS a to be buffed in generation 9! Maybe to 120 like with megahorn? I’m not too well versed in comp. Pokémon so I really don’t know.
@shadowtitanx3962 3 жыл бұрын
Or fricken remove the Exclusive crap from Volt Tackle because Pikachu does not even use that when it is literally glass.
@user-dq8pg7nl2w 3 жыл бұрын
plasma fists good but not many mons get it
@magk2524 3 жыл бұрын
i hate the amount of pokemon that have like 100 spatk/atk and then have like 80 of the other atk, which means every other stat is lower. it's so annoying omfg
@gamerguy425 3 жыл бұрын
@@magk2524 Depending on the moves it knows it's such a waste or bad temptation to use the lower stat which, usually won't work out well without a life orb or something.
@Jasonwolf1495 5 жыл бұрын
The worst part is that these guys are some of the best designs too. They deserve so much more power.
@SonBlackHeart22 5 жыл бұрын
How good was Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
@cloutgoblin2023 5 жыл бұрын
Let’s keep this going with Magmar... how GOOD was Magmar and Magmortar actually?
@leonardobarbosatelles2779 2 жыл бұрын
Come to think of it, perhaps Elekid was the most successful member of this evolutionary line, since it’s been historically good in LC.
@trevordp 11 ай бұрын
Shift gear would be prefect for Electivire.
@Connor_1989 5 жыл бұрын
How Good Were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
@microwave8931 3 жыл бұрын
cries
@dankestranch8738 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty bad ngl
@guildmasterri5995 5 жыл бұрын
You should do Piloswine and Mamoswine next. that pokemon has a great desgin and it's still one of the best ice type Pokémon tbh.
@Dan-qp5tq 5 жыл бұрын
RinX it is great my problem with it is it’s 0 resistances
@Nosretep 5 жыл бұрын
Magmar line is next. It's Electibuzz's counterpart.
@guildmasterri5995 5 жыл бұрын
@@Nosretep Ah I just wanted to see the history of Pokémon which actually was relevant in vgc in some point but tbh I don't mind waiting for it either
@goGothitaLOL 5 жыл бұрын
maybe after next week and next month's patreon pick
@guildmasterri5995 5 жыл бұрын
@@goGothitaLOL I guess you're right
@gmoney9469 5 жыл бұрын
Electivire was just a sad case of having 20 or so atk less than he needed. I used him a ton when I started playing competitive in 4th. His coverage was phenomenal, but he just had trouble putting things down regardless.
@WithDreday 5 жыл бұрын
Electivire needs a 10 point buff in speed and attack. 95 base with paper thin defenses while hitting like a wet noodle is not gonna cut it.
@ksoundkaiju9256 5 жыл бұрын
Withdreday or maybe buff the defenses
@LG-ii7gl 3 жыл бұрын
if it literally just got agility/swords dance it'd be great. It's stats aren't really the problem, it's it's set up move pool. Only being able to boost attack by one stage is not gonna cut it. He doesn't hit like a wet noodle but he doesn't hit like a freight train, that's the problem here.
@fork-man 3 жыл бұрын
@@LG-ii7gl when you have pokemon who aren't even pseudo legenday out speeding and out damaging electivire states are a problem yeah it can have a bigger move pool but how far can that alone help he had terrible states limit moves and tricks and finally the nail in the coffin was better pokemon came in to play with more of the former examples
@user-dq8pg7nl2w 3 жыл бұрын
power creep hurt a little with zeraora and koko
@ShinMario098 5 жыл бұрын
This episode was painful to watch. I feel really bad for Electabuzz/Electivire.
@rabbitguy9176 5 жыл бұрын
Rawpowered It’s a shame that it doesn’t as strong as its look, yet I still think it is cool, and deserves some love (;-;)
@Flufflemonster 5 жыл бұрын
@@rabbitguy9176 If it had more physical defense, maybe Drain Punch or Close Combat, it would have a fighting chance. I lowkey wish Electivire would be Electric/Fighting. Look at those manly arms.
@notscorchingsands9718 5 жыл бұрын
Why?
@futiffany8740 5 жыл бұрын
#MakeElectrivireGreatAgain,I love you E-boy.
@librathebeautifulwarmonk1283 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a shame it's so bad
@sephondranzer 5 жыл бұрын
The decision to drop Electivire’s base speed from evolving, and giving it motor drive to compensate, was honestly pretty stupid. Electivire could have been damn good if it just kept the 105 base speed and had ANY decent ability... EDIT: Damnit someone already pointed this out.
@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv 4 жыл бұрын
sephondranzer 95 speed isn’t THAT bad, it’s main problem is that its defense is so GARBAGE that all you need to kill it would be a somewhat sharp broomstick.
@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv 4 жыл бұрын
Leavanny The Cute Mantis That’s what I’m saying; though Electivire’s speed is fairly average (95 still out speeds plenty of Pokémon), the real issue is something it shares with Luxray, rather shallow movepools (or rather “movepuddles”) that don’t have good STAB moves nor very strong moves. As well as defenses that would make human skin laugh hysterically.
@KingLucarioxx 4 жыл бұрын
I have an electivire in my Heartgold save file with a timid nature and currently EV training its special attack stat
@naganut9718 2 жыл бұрын
105 spd wth iron fist is what electivire should've have
@WheelStart 2 жыл бұрын
Well, electivire is a fat yeti
@mio3798 4 жыл бұрын
It’s sad to see that one of my favorite Pokémon has had such a rough time in competitive battling. Even so, Electivire will always remain one of my favorite Pokémon of all time.
@DragoLucifer260 5 жыл бұрын
How good was Magmar/Magmortar actually
@kaia.4688 5 жыл бұрын
Magmar/Magmortar OR Roselia/Roserade, PLEASE Go for it
@goGothitaLOL 5 жыл бұрын
Roserade can wait, Magmortar is an almost guarantee
@llSuperSnivyll 4 жыл бұрын
Electivire: When "It's super effective!" is not effective enough.
@gengarzilla1685 4 жыл бұрын
I totally want to see someone try Electivire against Mega Aggron, the Pokémon where "It's super effective!" really doesn't mean much on the physical side.
@terrapog8533 2 жыл бұрын
10 points more speed + giving it Iron Fist would improve it a ton
@dylanbuchanan6511 Жыл бұрын
It really needs a bit more than that. It needs the speed boost, swords dance, Volt Tackle and Rock Head. Yeah, I know you think Rock Head is crazy but with electric being one of the best attacking types in the game, a pokemon with a spammable 120 move of that type with no downside would be great. It would find a niche some where with that and a choice scarf/band
@barkey5741 Жыл бұрын
@@dylanbuchanan6511wild charge is 90 base power and game freak refuses to distribute volt tackle.
@MrDylan2125 5 жыл бұрын
How good was Magmar/Magmortar actually?
@linkspokemon4114 5 жыл бұрын
Of course
@kluang1 5 жыл бұрын
Oh yes
@azurai3934 5 жыл бұрын
Yes please!
@user-wy3ow4yc6e 5 жыл бұрын
As bad as Elecrabuzz/Electivire
@apollojustice2863 5 жыл бұрын
Was waiting for this one
@jeroenb699 5 жыл бұрын
They were the 2nd most voted last week. So........ How good were Piloswine and Mamoswine ACTUALLY?
@goGothitaLOL 5 жыл бұрын
maybe after next week and next month's patreon pick
@primrosevale1995 3 жыл бұрын
Electivire is definitely one of the most well-designed Pokemon of all time. Honestly all it needs are for some points from its Sp. Atk to be put into Speed and Defense, and for it to get an ability like Intimidate, Galvanize, Gorilla Tactics, Sheer Force, or Volt Absorb, or even Teravolt if you want to go that far.
@angelicacimpoesu4924 3 жыл бұрын
I think its need specialy in speed motor drive suck because who whant to hit an electric type whit a electric type move
@familyguyfreemoviedownload8314 Жыл бұрын
gorilla tactics evire would actually be so silly lmao
@sputnikgt710 5 жыл бұрын
I wish this video covered Zero Used. Electivire is terrifying down there.
@cryingwithrage 5 жыл бұрын
That's like an adult beating up little kids. For a pokemon with a BST of 540 that's absol-lutey pathetic.
@butteredsalmonella 2 жыл бұрын
It's depressing how Electivire is only viable in a tier with Mareanie, Bronzor and Combusken.
@naganut9718 2 жыл бұрын
@@butteredsalmonella Yikes... Electivire gone so depressed and insane it started beating up those babies
@goGothitaLOL 5 жыл бұрын
How good was Magmar/Magmortar actually? if you did Electabuzz/Electivire, you might as well do the fire counterpart too, even if they aren't much better then their counterpart also, Aggron and Roserade can wait the week after next week and the patreon pick and Poor Electivire, i feel sorry for it (tho i like Magmortar more)
@MrMarinus18 3 жыл бұрын
They are made for single player where they are excellent. They learn many high PP medium power moves and their coverage is great. They also are fast, strong and bulky enough to defeats hoardes of weak enemies. This is especially so because they learn flamethrower and thunderbolt quite early. A lot of fire and electric types don';t learn those moves at all.
@DapuffStuff 5 жыл бұрын
How GOOD was Magmar/Magmortar ACTUALLY? Time to go full circle on this one
@N0TS0uh 4 жыл бұрын
What if when they didn't lose speed when they evolved had a slightly higher attack and special attack stat, then changed his ability so whenever he uses an electric attack his speed rises?
@Avghistorian77 4 жыл бұрын
Hm, looking at that, that would be most likely 133 Physical Attack, and 105 special then. I assume by slightly, you mean ten. I think that could be OU material, at the very least, it would be good in UU, or have a niche there.
@2022irons 2 жыл бұрын
Gen 8 Electivire: *It had different surroundings, but it was the same depressing story*
@aapomannermaa8356 5 жыл бұрын
So is it time for Magmar yet?
@ajaninembhard390 5 жыл бұрын
How GOOD was AuraGuardian’s video ACTUALLY?
@littleman7514 5 жыл бұрын
Johnny N Better than this channel's Unown video.
@carlosmunozbastias4358 5 жыл бұрын
@@littleman7514 nnnnnnope
@paulsavage564 5 жыл бұрын
@@carlosmunozbastias4358 what?
@trt001YT 5 жыл бұрын
That video was banned to Anything goes tier alongside Mega Rayquaza
@RandalfElVikingo 5 жыл бұрын
Two words= the shits.
@datrell006 4 жыл бұрын
This truly breaks my heart... by far one of my favorite Pokémon definitely top 10!!
@jaredflores4411 3 жыл бұрын
If you love Electivire, you probably loved Paul in Sinnoh
@acc3209 5 жыл бұрын
I'm not going to ask for any Pokémon today, I'm just going to thank you all the effort you're putting in this videos Keep going dude💪
@allewis4008 5 жыл бұрын
That's classy, have a +1 on me.
@thatoneguy2960 5 жыл бұрын
How GOOD was magmar/magmor ACTUALLY
@Lrizu 2 жыл бұрын
Stat redistribution: Hp: 65 Attack: 130 Defense: 61 Sp. Atk: 105 Sp. Def: 61 Speed: 116 New typing: Electric/Fighting Signature ability: at first i thought of giving him a combination of Motor Drive and Lightning Rod, but realized it would be too OP, so: Fighting Spirit: this pokémon's physical Electric type moves gain a secondary Fighting type effectiveness and the STAB multiplier becomes 1.75x instead of 1.5x
@muzammilibrahim5011 Жыл бұрын
HP : 71 Attack : 123 Defense : 61 Sp. Attack : 118 Sp. Defence : 61 Speed : 106 New Typing : Electric/Fighting New Ability : Electric Surge/Transistor Mine is more balanced and remains true to it's lore and history.
@Lrizu Жыл бұрын
@@muzammilibrahim5011 the stats don't add up, you have 2 more points that it should have
@muzammilibrahim5011 Жыл бұрын
@@Lrizu nah it adds upto 540
@Poke-ladd 5 жыл бұрын
I remember getting beaten by a Smeargle, Electivire team which used Electrify/ Spore/Imprison/transform Smeargle and lost due to outspeed and life orb
@CylonDorado 5 жыл бұрын
It always bugged me Jynx didn't get an evolution along with Electabuzz and Magmar. I always kind of associated those three since they were Gen 1 Pokes that didn't evolve, and they all got pre-voluitons in Gen 2. Speaking of which, how good was she actually? I thought she was kind of interesting after reading her Smogon page.
@kman8445 5 жыл бұрын
After the whole Jynx controversy, GF probably didn't want to draw any more attention to the mon. I agree though, it should've gotten an evo.
@YamatoFukkatsu 5 жыл бұрын
It's also interesting to note that, like Electabuzz and Magmar, Jynx was a version exclusive..... kind of. In the original Red and Green versions (or Red and Blue outside of Japan), Jynx was only available via an in-game trade. In the Japanese Blue version, however, it was available in the wild.
@caingregory9446 5 жыл бұрын
It's because jynx was already controversial so they didn't want to draw anymore atention to it
@Cubanboxxerr 5 жыл бұрын
They should’ve done Jinx 3rd evolution, but made her a sexy Japanese Ice demon
@aozorahaou2643 5 жыл бұрын
Blame parents and grown ups fo being too fucking sensitive and blame Nintendo and GF for not coming forward and explaining Jynx isn't meant to be a racist Pokémon it's based off a monster from Japanese Folklore.
@timclever8575 5 жыл бұрын
How good Was magmar/Magmortar Actually (^_-)
@bankrollrastaman7060 5 жыл бұрын
Hell yea
@plainsight_582 5 жыл бұрын
Paul used a lot of pokemon that would become my favorites and Electivire was number I always waited to see him every episode after he evolved
@Staff7 4 жыл бұрын
they need to give it access to volt tackle
@goGothitaLOL 4 жыл бұрын
That and Close Combat, Knock Off, Darkest Lariat, Power Whip and Bulk Up
@M3rtyville 4 жыл бұрын
I remember back in the day people spread rumors about it going to receive that move in Gen 4.
@junglezone7323 5 жыл бұрын
See you guys in the Magmar/Magmortar video
@nirtheart 5 жыл бұрын
Wow there are A LOT of people voting for *How GOOD was Magnar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?* ... How about *How GOOD was Jynx ACTUALLY?*
@marceloSSJ 5 жыл бұрын
AND how about How GOOD was Pinsir ACTUALLY?
@brutalmews 5 жыл бұрын
YES I NEED THIS!!!
@gabrielgalvez2977 5 жыл бұрын
How good was Miltank actually?
@nathanlamont9920 5 жыл бұрын
How Good was Bird Jesus actually?
@brandondawson4086 5 жыл бұрын
Im Down for that
@dtexdarkus 3 жыл бұрын
It would take a lot to fix Electivire nowadays, but I think the 10 point drop to speed is a big part of what really killed it in DPP and lower tiers later on. Even if it couldn’t always get an OHKO, it would be able to outspeed a large portion of the metagame unboosted, comfortably outspeeding the ever common base 100s and even the infamous Garchomp while it was in the tier. It could far more reliably dish out damage, meaning that it wouldn’t be completely reliant on motor drive, and having walls wouldn’t be as much of an issue since it could still snipe faster Pokémon.
@bryanc1772 3 жыл бұрын
Not just that but an Electric Typing just by itself is just bad.... Bearly any resistances and weak to the common Earthquake is just terrible. I mean Zapdos, Rotom-W and Rotom-W have typings that give them far more better offensive and defensive niches far better than vire could ever dream of
@jayclearmen411 2 жыл бұрын
I think Electrizer should have an effect like Light Ball. Where it Doubles It’s SPD, Defense & Special Defense stats!! that will bring him back from the brink!!
@Gallade36639 5 жыл бұрын
“Too frail, too slow, too incapable to dealing strong blows” You missed your chance
@OGrupxe 2 жыл бұрын
What
@pantherman691 5 жыл бұрын
How good was magmar/magmortar actually
@moonjelly5 5 жыл бұрын
Because it amuses me to keep track of this, here are the Gen 1 Pokemon who have yet to have a video: Beedrill/Mega Beedrill Butterfree Raticate/Alolan Raticate Pidgeot/Mega Pidgeot Fearow Farfetch'd Dodrio Persian/Alolan Persian Golem/Alolan Golem Sandslash/Alolan Sandslash Alolan Raichu Parasect Venomoth Scyther Pinsir/Mega Pinsir Dewgong Jynx Golduck Seaking Kingler Magmar/Magmortar Rapidash Arbok Nidoqueen Primeape Hitmonchan Hitmonlee Mr. Mime Lickitung/Lickilicky Victreebel Vileplume Muk/Alolan Muk Weezing Electrode Ditto Omastar Kabutops Hypno
@serpentmaster1323 5 жыл бұрын
moonjelly5 YES! Gotta catch em all! I go through and always like any not as popular gen 1 picks on this list. Please like this coment and help me!
@guildmasterri5995 5 жыл бұрын
No magikarp?
@serpentmaster1323 5 жыл бұрын
moonjelly5 also, here's a list of gen 1 pokes I've seen more than 1 comment asking for(near past and present) Magmar Persain Jinx Weezing Muk Ditto Golem Kabutops Our Lord Helix / Omastar Pinsir Butterfree Bedrill Fearow Kingler Sandslash Golduck
@pigyguy 5 жыл бұрын
Where's pidgey on that list?
@edwardramos4591 2 жыл бұрын
Given how they've headlined both Baby forms and new evolutions in the past, I'm surprised Magmortar and Electivire didn't continue that trend and receive Mega Evolutions. Deep six both of Mewtwo's forms (or give it and Charizard one form each) and replace them with these, and the Mag/Elec duo would finally be as powerful as that Blaine battle and status as Paul's ace (respectively) would suggest.
@MelvinStFleur 5 жыл бұрын
Poor Jinx not getting an Evolution in gen 4
@gengarzilla1685 5 жыл бұрын
Looking at the new Jynx video, I'm pretty sure Jynx itself has Electivire and Magmortar beat.
@PumPuum 5 жыл бұрын
How *GOOD* were *MISDREAVUS* and *MISMAGIUS* Actually?
@AceOfVegas 5 жыл бұрын
Seconded!
@brutalmews 5 жыл бұрын
Thirded
@reloadpsi 5 жыл бұрын
That would be a Mistake.
@1BlueYoshi 4 жыл бұрын
I remember I tried running Electivire on my Electric team in Gen 7 Monotype because I needed another physical attacker besides Koko. It wasn’t pretty. Everything you mentioned was spot on: too frail, too slow, doesn’t get KOs. Once Zeraora was released I dropped Electivire and never looked back for even a second lol
@bryanc1772 3 жыл бұрын
You also had Thundurus, Elecktross, and Alolan-Golem as viable Electric Attackers. There weren't that many good physical electric attackers sadly in Gen 7. But Dracozolt is now a thing in Gen 8 and Zekrom too but its Uber
@1BlueYoshi 3 жыл бұрын
@@bryanc1772 I never really tried the other ones you mentioned, but pre Crown Tundra I ran Dracozolt and unfortunately it was a disappointment. 80% accuracy might as well have been 50% accuracy for how often it hit things in the crucial moments I needed it to
@bryanc1772 3 жыл бұрын
@@1BlueYoshi Yea thats true although you can use its other abilities if you hate the miss. Gamefreak honestly just hasn't created a lot of good electric physical attackers. They are worse off now since they lost HP ice
@1BlueYoshi 3 жыл бұрын
@@bryanc1772 Without hustle it's not strong enough, but with hustle it never hits, although maybe banded with Sand Rush might be able to do something, but it wouldn't work in monotype because setting up sand would not be ideal for the rest of the team. And also yeah definitely, RIP HP Ice. I was trying to think of a way to make Rain Weather Ball work as a way to sorta replace it but although rain is better for Electric than sand it is still hard fitting it on the team
@No2hISwear 5 жыл бұрын
I started competitive battling in the beginning of DP so I was guilty of thinking Electivire was the nuts and spamming it like crazy
@dubzgamerz3933 5 жыл бұрын
How GODD were Magyar/Magmortar ACTUALLY! It has to happen!
@a1joryj 5 жыл бұрын
Get this guy's brother in a video! How GOOOOOOOD was Magmar/Magmortar actually?
@bankrollrastaman7060 5 жыл бұрын
Hell yea I'm with u. Upvote all the Magmar/Magmortar comments & we got it for Sure
@Alexs23743 Жыл бұрын
0:20: Unfortunately, because of this episode, I originally thought Scyther was Electabuzz's "friend", not Magmar.
@markrounseville6998 5 жыл бұрын
It's my favorite, and this breaks my heart. I wish he'd get better stats.
@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv 4 жыл бұрын
Electivire should get close combat and meteor mash for coverage.
@kabelguy70 3 жыл бұрын
@@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv It already has Cross Chop
@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv 3 жыл бұрын
@@kabelguy70 While Cross Chop is a good fighting type move, Evire needs close combat for stronger hits.
@kabelguy70 3 жыл бұрын
@@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv And a fighting type itself. While you're here, is there any chance that Evire is good in the story mode of Sinnoh? I plan on running it on a team with Empoleon, Drifblim, Garchomp, Porygon-Z and Drapion.
@CarlosAlberto-nq3iv 3 жыл бұрын
@@kabelguy70 I never properly used Evire, particularly because its a trade evolution and I never cared much about Electabuzz, though I always wanted to try it.
@CloudySkies17695 5 жыл бұрын
Everyone is talking about The Magby line but I just wanna see that purple one with the big lips So, basically, Jynx. Please? Also Persian, I guess. Please give us the catto.
@jaidencarvalho1761 5 жыл бұрын
Jynx without a doubt deserves an episode as she along with Golem are the last of the OU tier in Gen 1! I really want Persian as it is my favorite Pokemon and even though it may suck, it still has some uses if you ask me! Hopefully all these Pokemon get episodes soon :-)!
@aarokulmala1075 5 жыл бұрын
Well It seems we are getting Magmar and Magmortar for next week. Im hyped!
@muzammilibrahim5011 Жыл бұрын
HP : 74 Attack : 123 Defense : 70 Sp. Attack : 110 Sp. Defence : 57 Speed : 106 New Typing : Electric/Fighting New Ability : Electric Surge/Transistor Also need some better moves like close combat, plasma fists, mach punch, vaccum wave. It is more balanced now and remains true to it's lore and history.
@deandregreene2587 5 жыл бұрын
Stat wise: (If Electivire were to get a Mega Evolution) Typing would be Electric/Fighting HP: 75 >>> 75 (0) Attack: 123 >>> 133 (+10) Defense: 67 >>> 87 (+20) Special Attack: 95 >>> 125 (+30) Special Defense: 85 >>> 85 (0) Speed: 95 >>> 135 (+40) Edit: Ability: Adaptability
@gengarzilla1685 4 жыл бұрын
That actually sounds a little too good if you've successfully baited in an Electric move for Motor Drivem
@chaosbreaker657 3 жыл бұрын
In addition, give it a new move. Overcharge Chokehold Power: 100 Accuracy: 100 Category: Physical Type: Electric The user grasps the opponent's neck, then electrocute them with an all-out surge of electricity. Has a 50% chance of paralysis. Edit: I'll also give this move to Luxray.
@deandregreene2587 3 жыл бұрын
@@chaosbreaker657 A base 100 powered move that is also Adaptability STABbed to 200 for Electivire on top of having a 50% chance to paralyze opponents. This would destroy most Ubers and even the ones that can withstand it would likely be paralyzed except for other Electric-type pokémon, which it can also take down with Earthquake. But, despite it being blatantly overpowered, I don't mind given Electivire's nonexistent competitive use AKA it's Untiered now.
@filthypenguintv4931 3 жыл бұрын
You should apply to work at Gamefreak and make this happen. Though, while adaptability is nice, I think he would enjoy Iron Fists better
@gamesnig 3 жыл бұрын
Itd be better if it gave it 30 HP, 30 attack, 30 speed and 5 SPD and 5 defense.
@EpicMark 5 жыл бұрын
How GOOD is Magmar/Magmortar ACTUALLY???
@bankrollrastaman7060 5 жыл бұрын
Let's upvote all the Magmar comments & it'll happen
@iBenjamin1000 5 жыл бұрын
I can't be too upset because Electabuzz is so cool even if it did poorly in competitive. But Persian people be patient! How good was Persian actually?
@jaidencarvalho1761 5 жыл бұрын
Would love to have Persian soon! Our day will come eventually! Hard to be patient though 😸!
@joshuakim5240 5 жыл бұрын
Persian in a nutshell: -gen1= STAB critical Slash spammer -gen2= neutered -gen3= fast, weak hitter -gen4= Fake Out spammer or gimicky Nasty Plot sweeper -gen5= Fake Out + U-turn spammer or gimmicky Nasty Plot sweeper -gen6= same as the above -gen7 Alolan form= fast and bulky Foul Play spammer who trolls Metagross, Garchomp, Landorus, etc to death who can also do Parting Shot pivoting...but gets wrecked by Special hits.
@beeniecat9411 5 жыл бұрын
We need poké cat reviews.
@BigBossMan538 5 жыл бұрын
I used an Electivire in my playthrough of Sun and hold no regrets. Solid Pokémon.
@GamingG4276 4 жыл бұрын
You actually forgot that Electivire also dropped to ZU. Why do you never mention ZU?
@madmonty6099 4 жыл бұрын
Untiered is zu
@GamingG4276 4 жыл бұрын
@@madmonty6099 Oh, that's the same thing? I was never into competitive, so I did not know.
@shinyluxray9538 5 жыл бұрын
Most comments are voting, I’ll take my comment and say, thank you for these awesome and consistent videos :D
@mikewarper6789 5 жыл бұрын
How GOOD was Misdreavus and Mismagius ACTUALLY?
@AwesomeMooseSmile 4 жыл бұрын
Really sucks that my favorite electric type line of Pokémon are the worst ones. But hey, at least Electabuzz has eviolite, not to mention a pretty awesome mega construx figurine that was paired up with Greninja, so at least he gets some love.
@Ale-bv3vd 5 жыл бұрын
He may be bad in the competitive territory, but I have mad respect and I like this Pokémon so much, he was pretty much announced and talked about in every Gen 4 related media with Magmortar and other evos, and I always thought he was a very powerful beast. And I mean, *he is* but, of course, the competitive territory depends a lot on speed and type advantages, plus tanking out attacks with the slow Pokémon, so it's not surprising for me seeing him this low, it's sadly however. Also, is a bit unrelated, but I like its shiny a lot. That orange goes well with the blue accents!
@videogameexpert6434 5 жыл бұрын
How Good were Magmar and Magmortar ACTUALLY?
@Gardetrace 5 жыл бұрын
How GOOD was Golem ACTUALLY? I feel Electivire could be good if it didn't lose speed when it evolves from Electabuzz. If it kept it's speed or got faster, it wouldn't be so bad.
@rossthemoss6827 5 жыл бұрын
Poor Golem forever the poor man's rhydon :(
@dankeykang8243 5 жыл бұрын
This is so true! Nerfing speed on evolution is so unfair
@Kyara7 5 жыл бұрын
@@dankeykang8243 Mega garchomp tho
@mostlysure1077 5 жыл бұрын
@@Kyara7 normal garchomp is better tho
@asscrumbsmcbumski8369 5 жыл бұрын
@@rossthemoss6827 err, isn't it the opposite?
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