Love to hear about the OGs still doing it with no recognition

SALUTE

me too :) dont have accounts exept for youtube

SALUTE

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Pity

@nellkellino-miller7673 In my city, there's Michelangelo, Giambologna, Botticelli, Bernini, and so on, and there are no graffiti. I can assure you that the soul of my city is much deeper than your one, that I imagine full of pee (called graffitis). You're the most narcissist form of expression (no relation with arts): no ideas, no style (always the same), no concepts. Just a multiple way to write your name (and anyway tags are all similar). You just celebrate your little ego, you're simply destined to oblivion, coherently to nothingness that you propose. Your requiem is our ode to joy.

@@andreabocchetti9009 I'm sure I would agree with you if I ever have to privilege to visit your city, but we in the graffiti community do have a code of honour (or the best of us do). We create. We express. We communicate. But we don't deface, especially not already beautiful works or spots of outstanding natural beauty. We don't go over statues or murals or memorials, or even over better graffiti artist's work. A blank surface in an urban environment, however, is nothing but a blank canvas to me. Like it or not, graffiti has been around in one form or another since humans learned to use language and imagery... and will be here long after we're all dead. I know many cities that have a rich artistic and architectural legacy, that happily coexist with a rich history of ilegal street art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, after all. And you simply cannot stop humans from expressing themselves. In many ways, I believe that the human need to express themselves through art is a process with a mind of its own that will inevitably find a voice one way or another, no matter how hard the hands of order and tyranny try to throttle it. Real art does not ask for permission to exist, nor can it ever be granted it anyway. For who could possibly have the authority to grant such permission? Not a man alive has that authority. Did our ancestors ask for permission to paint their dreams and observations and interpretations on ancient cave walls? I've been moved to tears by poems scrawled on forgotten walls in sewers, I've been moved to dance by musicians compelled to play in the streets without a permit, I've felt the hand of god on my heart when gazing at cave paintings so old we can't accurately date them. And in the great and honourable tradition of the human spirit that I have inherited from our ancestors, I don't ask for permission either. So who are the real artists? Those who wait for a bureaucrat to sign a piece of paper saying it's okay to build a statue in a square, or those who answer the timeless calling for self expression, for its own sake, without hesitation? Hopefully, you will agree that there is no right answer to that question.

@@nellkellino-miller7673 I might even agree that there is no single answer to such a question. But in the case of graffiti, there are considerations to be made. And I assure you that I am not speaking from prejudices: I know your 'art' well. And it is not the only art about which I have misgivings. An example? Conceptual art. That is a fully bureaucratised, fully recognised 'art' and yet, in my opinion, it expresses something extremely poor. Mostly a collection of banal provocations. But let us come to graffiti. Apart from the very few interesting cases (e.g. Basquiat), the writers for the vast majority simply write their name (or their avatar). The tags all have more or less the same stylistic code, to the point that the hand is hardly recognisable (except by the writers themselves, which contradicts the 'popular' spirit). They write everywhere: on trains, on historical buildings, on churches. I do not know who maintains this code you speak of, but most of you do not respect it. And the biggest paradox is that you cover for each other. I will tell you this: in Naples, a few years ago, a writer called Hes covered a Banksy stencil, placed on the wall of a church in the historic centre, with one of his 'works': and what did his work consist of? Once again, his name (read the new below): corrieredelmezzogiorno.corriere.it/napoli/notizie/cronaca/2010/3-giugno-2010/writer-pentito-ho-coperto-banksy-chiedo-scusa-ero-buio-che-errore-1703132512822.shtml This is not about code, this is not about the antiquity of the expressive spirit (art is not simply a form of expression). This is about understanding 'what' graffiti expresses. What is the idea? What is the content? What urgency does the creative act conceal? To whom is it addressed? It is not enough to want to express something to become an artist. Banality remains banality, expressive poverty remains expressive poverty. And choosing a blank wall is the easiest way to say something stupid, when you have nothing to say. You will perhaps recognise that painting a name, a signature, in a thousand ways (or always the same) to make yourself recognised, has nothing artistic about it: it is just pure narcissism. Here I am, look at me, it's me. This is the opposite of what art means: for centuries, artists have recognised that the work does not belong to the author. And you still make your signature the object of your art? And with that, what would you like to express? Prehistoric people painted in caves because they did not have writing. The ancients wrote on walls to claim attention. But art is something else. It lacks an essential element: the opacity, the darkness, the mystery of what an artist intends to express. You are missing the secret. Your secret, what you ignore about yourselves. You are (the vast majority of you) too clear, too understandable, too readable. And the very few who are worth something die in the sea of the very many who are worth nothing.

@@andreabocchetti9009 I disagree fundamentally. I read your story about why it should not exist...And yet, people keep doing it. I wonder why? I once heard a girl singing a song on her doorstep. Her neighbour stepped out and told her to be quiet. It was too early and the girl wasn't good at singing. I hope the neighbour got back to sleep. And I hope the girl never stopped singing. End of story.

I agree whole heartedly

Facts ❤ 💪🎨💣

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It's reminded us that art started on whatever wall we had

But what is art?! (According to Nitsche or Hegel)

There were serious artists doing graffiti in the 70s/80s. You and your friends were just toys. Dondi White is the best there ever was and he did his best work in the 80s. There are less talented artists now, if anything. Tons of unoriginal biters and street artists like Alec Monopoly and very few true innovators like Dondi or Phase2.

@@Toy1er Phase2s wildstyles are off this planet!! Once you get good enough with graffiti it becomes a vessel for a higher dimension to speak to this dimension

@@Toy1er Especially because the roots of letter forms are something higher too probably... that's where the original letters probably came from, they came thru some sort of savant with a gift of symbolism that is why they are recognised today as the alphabet.

@@debatez5371 uhhh, alright dude

⁠​⁠​⁠ “that’s where the original letters probably came from” the confidence in which you are able to say the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard is truly impressive. Other than that. No. Just, no. How can you sound THAT…..challenged…..? Lol your theory is easily something you can find information on. You think ‘original letters’ ‘came from’ fvckin…dude you just said “probably” followed by two other theories of yours, stated as facts, that could only be true if your original statement was factual. The statement where you said “probably”:Just making sure i understand you. Original letters PROBABLY came from us speaking to other DIMENSIONS…through…graffiti. Although thats PROBABLE (according to you) … the next two statements are fact. Even though they rely on something that is apparently ‘probable’. They came from some sort of savant, says you. Lastly - since they came from this savant, you said “that is why they are recognized today as the alphabet” whahahahahahahahaha. Not “if” not “probably”. No. You’re sure with those. You’re not sure 100% that the alphabet came from graffiti (wow does that feel stupid to say) BUT you ARE SURE the alphabet came from some sort of savant. And you’re even more sure, an confident “that is why they are recognized as the alphabet today” bro went from theory/idea, to absolute fact (even tho the facts you have are BASED in a probably) you’re not 1000% sure, but you are, cuz you happen to know it was a savant that gifted us with letters, and since it was a savant - you say that is why they are recognized as the alphabet today. Bro, what the fvck is public school doing to our kids. Look at this kid man ahahahaha. Bro you are the dumbest person on the internet today. That’s quite the feat congratulations

Jabers been a beast i would see his work here in vancouver canada and then seattle and portland as a teen..met him in miami years ago legend

He has many spots in Sweden

Well said ❤

Ima huge grade artist an fan that black book means a lot to a graff artist!!! That's dope to have them tags ✅✅✅✅

I’m glad you have that as an outlet my man. Stay safe and free 🤘🏻

I dunno how it is now but back in the day tagging crews in my area were super mixed racially, ethnically, and from vastly different socioeconomic backgrounds. People who would normally never interact had a brotherhood. It was a beatiful time.

At all costs!

i think itll prevail whatever happens seeing the cave paintings

Yes, indeed my friend.

AMEN. ITS A DYING BREED OF WRITERS AND A DYING ARTFORM, AND WAY OF LIFE. ESPECIALLY WILL A.I. AND SOCIAL MEDIA. THERES STILL GOOD ARTISTS EVERYWHERE, BUT THERES ALOT OF LEGAL WALLS NOW WHERE U DONT GET THAT SAME RUSH OF ADRENALINE CUZ U GOTTA GO B4 GETTING CAUGHT. BUT ART IS ART AND THERES NO SHORT CUTS ON PUTTING IN THE MAN HOURS OF PRACTICE. GRAFFITI IS HERE TO STAY, REGARDLESS, IT DIDNT JUST SURVIVE BUT IT THRIVED!! 😉👏😷🎨🖌️🎭🃏🀄🌆🙏

IBEEN SAYING EXACTLY THIS!! BEEN TAGGIN SINCE CAVE PAINTINGS NUTS!

Most real writers don't like a lot of street art. It's looked at as corny hipster gentrification kinda stuff.

i dont do social media thats 1 wall i aint writing on lol!

Haha I know what you mean 😂

Such a Millennial comment ... hahaha !

@@adambane1719 actually I’m gen X … but I’m quite immature, so fair comment.

Glad to hear you enjoyed watching it so much!

Glad you enjoyed it!

Yeah. From Sydney too bro

RUZZ or QUIKDRAW

Has a bit vice vibe

I see him more on freight here down here in VA more than any other artist. the dudes output is amazing.

His output is unmatched

Glad you think so!

IM THE ORIGINAL ART GOD FROM SUMARIA THAT TAUGHT THE 1ST CIVILIZATION ABOUT ETCHINGS AND CARVING ON STONEWORK AND STATUES NOT TO MENTION MURALS. IVE REINCARNATED SO MANY TIMES THROUGHOUT ALL OF HISTORY JUST TO BRING A NEW ARTFORM INTO EXISTANCE EVERYTIME. FROM CAVEMAN DRAWINGS N SYMBOLS TO TATTOOS TO CANVAS AND SUBWAY TRAINS. I REMEMBER BEING LEONARDO DAVINCI. ITS ANOTHER FEELING AND EMOTION TO HAVE LIVED AND CREATED, DIE AND COME BACK AGAIN AND AGAIN, AND STILL SEE MY ORIGINAL ARTWORK OUTLAST THE SANDS OF TIME. NOT ONLY AM I IMMORTAL BUT SO IS MY WORKS OF ART. TALK ABOUT A SERIOUS TRIP!!! 😉🎨🖌️😇🙏👽🛸🔮♈💎🔥

Wish we could have! Just a matter of time and funding

Indeed

i ride my bmx to go do graffiti lol. i get the same feelings from it as i do hitting jumps, for sure

Don't make sense .