RIR IS GOOD FOR BEGINNERS AND HEAVY COMPOUNDS LIKE BENCH AND SQUATS ONLY

But if it's MAKING YOU BETTER THAN KEEP DOING IT as in doing failure sets. Meso cycles and programmed deloads for bodybuilding is fucking useless jesus. Why do you.over.complicate every fucking thing.

High intensity lower volume failure and progressove overload are the best optimal way to train. Every single work out.

There is a big difference!

huge difference

Lmfao

44:23**

Thanks

it ends at 44:23

No way around it

Man, I'm waiting for covid to be over to see you get a session in with Mike and the rp crew

Fuckin love me the Israetel rants.

Kill a bear to failure 😂🤣😂🤣

Another at 39:59 😂🤣

OMG this was priceless 😂

Asking the niphard questions for sure

12:55- Dr Mike is basically confirming Greg s point...

wace2two it’s gregs and Jeff’s and mikes point though.

@@curlean-x4443 I agree , but during the podcast with OmarIsuf Mike wasn't ready to agree with Greg saying that he shouldn't say to his subscribers to train harder. IMO because he doesn't like Greg.

wace2two I agree that his language and presentation should’ve been more courteous. However he specified that people who come to youtube looking to gain information about how to improve their performance, they would already be the type to train enthusiastically and hard. (Might’ve been near the end)

@@curlean-x4443 Maybe or maybe not, the truth is neither of us can know. That's what Greg said and that's what made most of the people who watched the video respect him. Basically Mike and Greg where saying the same thing in their videos. With slight differences but still...

Please don’t tell me you were doing 1 set of 5 to failure

Man, maybe you could train traps with separate exercises, but tell me, how can you train the teres in isolation? Or the rhomboid?

@@danielstoica3489 I get what you are asking, but what I am trying to say is some back exercises hit the lats more than traps, teres, etc. and vice versa. So if back training takes all back muscles into account, then how do we differentiate? Or just train the back as one muscle, which it is not.

@@kevinlopes548 from all I've seen, back is considered one muscle. You don't do 16 sets for lats only. It is too much. You must do a horizontal pull and a vertical pull.

@@danielstoica3489 But 16 sets for your entire back is not enough is what i am saying

@@kevinlopes548 it is enough. 8 vertical pulling sets and 8 horizontal are enough.

No

@@Far-cw8sh don't watch it

Yeah would be really cool to maybe see some kind of roundtable. Until then check out the interviews on revive stronger. Steve has interviewed them all, including interviews with Mike vs Scott Stevenson and Mike vs Jordan Peters. Really really awesome stuff.

Rir/RPE dictates whether or not you use straight or back off sets. If the second set feels like RIR 1 instead of 2 and your program says RIR 2 for 3 sets you would back down a bit.

For strength the most important thing is the weight on the bat, don’t sacrifice weight for anything... that’s REALLY oversimplified... check out juggernaut strength for powerlifting style training

@@adrinesterabadeyan6214 thanks for your reply will have a look ✌🤜

jordanfinn98 no problem

Your progression is fine. Consider that Dr. Mike's progression drops back to some extent after the deload and you'll see that you're already doing a variation of it. Up -> up -> up -> down to baseline plus some progress -> repeat.

Thats fine but advanced trainees cant do that. Also if you do 8 reps for x at rir 4 for example, and next time 10reps at rir 4 means you've progressed and just continue till possible. But if you set up more weight but rir became 2 or even 1 it doesn't necessarily mean you've progressed. Hope you understand me

Linear progression only works for novices. As a novice, yes, add weight and do the same number of reps. After you’re through the novice stage it is more nuanced and you can’t linearly progress more than a week or two

Very simplified it's a week where you train same weight but reduce the volume by cutting sets/reps to approximately half what you where doing. Essentially every mesocycle (gets shorter as you get stronger) you need a deload week which is reduced volume workout and possibly 1-2 weeks off a year....both deloads and time off are ways to manage fatigue that need to be programmed and taken seriously especially for advanced people...this is what I got. But Mike has very detailed videos on that on his channel

I figured it out after going on Reddit, u pick x amount of reps and x amount of sets, so for an example I do a 5x5 bench so I would do whatever weight I can hit 5 reps at and still have a little more in me. Then I do the same weight and try and hit 5 or if I can’t whatever amount I can hit with 3rir and u continue that process then next session u up the reps and or weight and continue, and he recommended if the sets were to easy up them by 2-3 if they were just right up them by 1-2

Yes

Sets

@@adrinesterabadeyan6214 apparently its sets x reps x weight

@@pedropicapiedras1701 yeah that’s how mathematical volume is calculated, but in the context of hypertrophy and the 5-30 rep range, given that sets are hard(4-0 rir) we can just use sets to account for stimulus and fatigue

@@adrinesterabadeyan6214 whatever thanks

Arrrreyrrr

he doesn't say that though?

Yes, there is nothing stopping you from doing that but the issue is that by going to 0 RIR (aka, complete failure), you will be so locally fatigued in that muscle that you probably will be sore for a week (maybe more depending on the exercise and how sensitive you are to the stimulus as it is day 1 of your mesocycle). At that point, you would then be pushing your training back just to recover before your next workout of that muscle group(s). Unless you are doing a bro split, there is not point in doing 0RIR at the beginning of a mesocycle as you wouldn't be able to progress properly.

Kendrick Martinez yes, id agree that its an oversimplification but saying harder than last time is meant to be the easiest way to say progressive overload to a beginner

@@EvanHynes Oh yeah, I understand that part. Like I said, I like Greg (in a Gordon Ramsey kinda way), but that is simply too little info to take and run with. Otherwise Greg wouldn't be selling a training book would he? Otherwise it would be something like this. "TRAIN HARDER THAN LAST TIME! The End." Greg said in his video that they were getting too complicated, ( which I understand, it's hard to follow even with the background knowledge that some like you and I have), and that they try to overcomplicate things too much. But at the same time, these people make their living off of making educational and informative videos, and science is Jeffs, and most every one else in this video's niche. Greg makes his money off entertaining videos. So its a given that Greg will get some crossover from controversy, and people who like his style will buy his cookbook, his training book, or even potentially hire him as a coach. But to say that "you could have just had me on the video instead of asking five experts" is just silly. The niches are different. People come to Jeff for informative science based content, with some application. They go to Greg to get yelled at, for recipes, and maybe at the end of the day some training info. In my mind, like Eric Helms said, the differences between the two (if you could even say there are two ideas) are likely not enough to really limit the potential of an athlete, at least for body builders. Don't get me wrong I like both, and I've trained both ways. And I think theres room for both schools of thought. But I guess that kind of talk doesn't generate ad revenue the way that "TRAIN HARDER THAN LAST TIME" does.

@@MrTacolover42 Yeah I'd agree with that all I'm saying is that he's speaking to the beginners who have never picked up a dumbbell in their life. Those people don't understand terms like maximal recoverable volume, or in terms of describing a lift "I did a greasy RPE 9 Triple on deads." Absolute beginners don't understand that stuff, he's just laying the baseline, that's the way I see it. As I said I agree with everything you said, "Harder than last time!!!" is an oversimplification of exactly how progressive overload works. But people 1-2 weeks into lifting sure as shit don't know that stuff.

@@EvanHynes THe problem is that Greg dismissed the nuanced ways that are necessary to drive adaptations in advanced people with "harder." That's what he said in his first review of Jeff nippard's training style; he said autoregulation with RPE is a copout of training hard. TO this day no one even knows what "harder" means because it can mean anything which means it means nothing.

Curlean-X greg says all the time that harder is effort. This isn’t a term like “functional training” which 100% that applies. But harder means better than last time thats it.

I always love to see both of them collab!

@Ace playys He already made an episode with alphadestiny a few years ago, would highly recommend checking it out!

not what the video says, but whatever