Please find stories of ppl taking down their HOA or dissolving it

RIGHT!

I try to find Gatorade bottles at night when I'm thirsty. HOAs make that harder.

cities do this anyway. more worried about how tall grass is than about speeders in the neighborhood.

The problem with this is you’re demonstrating why HOAs exist. If your house is painted an ugly color (subjective) and your yard is full of trash then you’re reducing the value of your neighbors house. We didn’t have an HOA in my old neighborhood and my neighbors house was sooooo bad it was reducing the offers I was getting 100k UNDER its value. I had to personally pay to clean up their yard and maintain it until I was able to sell my house. Cost me around 10k if you factor in my time. I drove back over there a couple times and the new owner put up a 8-10 foot fence. It looks like the border of a 1sr and 3rd world country. The other neighbors call it the Korean Demilitarization Zone…😂😂 My new neighborhood has a HOA and while it’s a bit pricey it does give me access to a pool and small gym plus garbage collection is included. Now my neighbor and I compete for having a better looking yard, first world problem and I love it.

​@cynic5581 Thats all well and good you solved your personal issues with where your original house was. Glad you found a way out of your bad investment. I would contend a home with a HOA is more akin to leasing/renting then actually owning it. Not sure why everyone would pay the same or more for something you don't actually fully control and own yourself without additional parties having a say...

Now you know which neighbors hate everybody

The HOA has no business to invade someone’s neighborhood; plus, state governments should go after corrupt HOAs and the federal government should step in immediately

The govt own your home. Youre Just renting😂

I could never understand it myself 😮 I refused,to buy a house with such; adding costs and having a group of people constantly, setting limitations on your own life. Nothing, wrong with mowing your own lawn 😅

@@rotcataergeht not unless they live in a state without property taxes.

Some HOA's use drones to spy on people's backyards looking for "violations" that nobody can see from the street or otherwise even care about.

Pretty much all docs where I live only have restrictions if viewable by the street

so they had to trespass

I've heard stories about HOA's using drones to spy on people's backyards looking for "violations" that can't be seen from the street that nobody would otherwise even care about.

Drones and Google Maps… are the new weapons of the HOA Karen’s.

If the HOA acts with governing authority, it should be held accountable to government limitations. Free speech, due process, legal accountability, etc.

How is that regulated and limited government working out for you?

​​@@muhdiversity7409 Better than if it was run by an HOA I can assure you that.

That level of scrutiny, liability, and oversight is a bit much for a volunteer board. You could hire the board, but then HOA fees would sky rocket. That model is a failure out of the gate.

Lol, you think the government has been limited?

At least in my state you practically don't have a choice. All of the older homes that aren't in HOAs are in very expensive neighborhoods that are unaffordable by most. You want an affordable home? Live (a) in the boonies off the electrical, plumbing or water grid, (bl get a condo/townhouse but that's in an HOA, or (c) buy into one of the homes built from like the 70s on that are almost entirely in HOAs. The problem is the local government loves off loading responsibility and expenses to HOAs. So if you want your housing project to be permitted you need a higher proportion of the project to be designated for affordable housing if you want to build a non-HOA community. Also if you build the houses too close together they are also automatically designated apartments and you can only build apartments in HOA communities. Thus, you have practically no non-HOA options that are affordable except the occasional subdivided property in an old non-HOA community.

​@jofujino which state is your state so we know which one to avoid?

Making an HOA illegal would effectively be prohibiting people from entering into certain types of contracts.

​@@godsamongmen8003Certain contracts should be and are illegal, indeed: Did you try to sell your children into slavery or get your HOA board shot?

i read it as haunting for some reason, to be fair tho if i was haunting a house id not want an hoa either

Agreed. I was looking at houses once and I went to drive by a candidate. It looked nice, but as I was turning around on the street, I noticed a little sign that said it was in a HOA community. I figure they were proud of that fact to have signs telling me about it. Finished my turn around, drove away and never looked back.

The first thing I do is tell my agent I won't look at homes with an HOA. I own two properties, and neither have an HOA and it wasn't by accident!

@@imnitguy Ditto. When my wife & I were driving around and looking we immediately ruled out HOAs.

Be the donut hole.

@@princessmarlena1359 is that hat they call the person who won't join?

@@michah321 pretty much 😉

B&E crime rate is higher in non-HOAs with a city greater than 50k homes. Crimes near apartment complexes is even higher. I'll keep my HOA, but want governments to stop skirting their responsibilities and especially stop jacking up property taxes

@@princessmarlena1359 then I would be that

And that’s not even talking about the fat ugly people here too!

reminds me of Edward Scissorhands. NPC land of boringness.

You have not traveled much I see.

And resell it far below value. 5:40

That’s actually one of the more benign ways of HOAs collecting money owed. You hear stories about people losing their homes over fees and fines. (Of course, you are never sure if it’s just clickbait and you are only getting part of the story.)

There was an HOA in Colorado that was foreclosing on a home EVERY WEEK. It was so bad that CO finally passed a law that an HOA can only foreclose for unpaid Special Assessment.

Your beige is too dark. Pay us $500

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying HOAs are even remotely worth the tradeoff... but they actually DO have benefits. Squatters, Hoarders, Death Metal Garage Bands, Convicted Sexual Predators, etc. move in next door to people every day. If the person they move next door to is YOU, there's pretty much nothing you can do. You're screwed. But not in an HOA. Of course, if a Karen with a grudge takes over your HOA board, it's probably much worse so... not worth the tradeoff. But that doesn't mean no one has ever found themselves wishing they were part of an HOA.

Dunno, in my experience mods are mostly respectable

Lol, accurate

Underrated comment

That's insulting to reddit and discord...

@@SigFigNewton Bro, Really?

Legalized swindling. HOAs

Get friendly with some neighbors and take over the HOA board.

The scary part is they can raise those fees.

@@Greg-qw7xl The worse part is they think that they're the bosses of all the owners and not their servants. And their egos get puffed up.

@@NoSpam1891 Same as our elected representatives think they are the bosses

HOA is a discrimination ideology and should be treated as a criminal offense for life!

Gross. -PhD

ya would think doctors would want to grow their own food to eat something healthier

I’m a gardener and that’s the biggest reason I hope never to live in an HOA!

@@Demopans5990 I live in a city with lots of research centers and hospitals.

As a Karen, we encourage the community to run for the board

HOAs: homeowners have less accountability to the local government, which itself gets held accountable to the public, and tons of accountability to a tiny clique of people who will be never be held to account.

If you’re afraid of concentration of power as in communism, avoid HOAs.

@@SigFigNewton lol

@@SigFigNewton Yes, I definitely feel they are communism lite (spying on neighbors concept is the same concept used in China).

That can totally happen. Only someone experienced in owning condos knows how important it is to scrutinize the status of the association reserves and compare those to the engineering studies showing the schedule of expected repairs and replacements before they buy. Honestly, condo sale prices are way too high given the risks and uncertainties of ownership.

do any HOAs exist in your area?

@@VincentChan in rural areas you generally pay annually for the Road Maintenance Association that covers the upkeep of the overgrown gully’s and any road repairs. This may only apply to folks who live on what are considered “Private Roads” within an owned community of parcels that are around 5 acres each. The annual fee goes up or down based on the repairs needed for the upcoming year.

Nor should any1 have to. Their very existence is risible.

well, lots of HOA has some real benefits that people enjoys/want, this is up to them this video demonizes HOA, but, most of them (not all of them) are OK and works within common sense

​@@lickingfrog There's still the issue that joining a HOA is a one way street. Once a property is part of a HOA the only realistic way for it to leave is if the entire HOA is dissolved. And HOAs invariably end up being run by the worst people because they're the ones with enough free time to actually participate and the desire to spend that free time policing their neighborhood for "violations". It's like buying a lottery ticket except if you win you get a marginally better local community and if you lose your life turns into a literal hell. Would you take that gamble?

@@nope1918 Idk man, your vision is still a very negative one towards the HOA reality. *TBH, in the end I could agree, I would rather not take the risk too lol. But the reality is that most HOAs are ok and most of them have a vote system to prevent the bad adms. (yeah, it sucks hard when it happens) With an exceptional adm, the win is very big too, not marginally better as you said (i mean: to keep your neighboorhoo free from destructive people or bringing some policies and structures that in the near future could elevate your property price, this happens too)

No, only if you choose to live where everyone tells you to live.

@@raymond_sycamore nope it's far worse than you think. Our country is littered with pitfalls that don't exist in other countries. Other countries don't live in fear of, medical bankruptcy, asset forfeiture by police, lack of transportation options beyond a car, the ability of an organization to steal your home over small fees, financial ruin by no fault divorce. We're also the only country that allows employers to withhold maternity leave and offer virtually no vacation. Everywhere else employees have the right to several weeks off per year, even in frickin Kenya. Want your own land? , the county will be out to tell you what you can and can't build or put on that land. I understand sewage and waterways protection otherwise they are just forcing everyone into the tax system. By the way 52 percent of our taxes go to the military, the American people, they get what I listed above.

​@@keegannunley5444most though not all of the things you mention do happen elsewhere

Because under a free market you can have restricted markets but under restricted markets you can’t have free ones. Essentially the option to chose holds the restricted to higher standard or people will just leave.

People have written off the personal work of being free and instead worship the machinations of the law.

Sadly, the property developers and real estate agents have been claiming the opposite for decades using studies commissioned by property management and real estate companies who make more money building HOA communities. It's basically like the oil companies who paid for "scientists" to do studies showing there was no man-made global warming to push their own political agenda.

Forget property value, they literally charge you rent to live in your own house. That alone defeats any equity you would have gained

Ha, ha, I like that!

Benevalent tyrants until Karen gets in.

This sounds like a great anti-HOA playbook that needs to be more widely publicized.

Not so much. The owners already living in the HOA are outraged and furious at the newcomer that literally took their land and money away from them. It gets very, very ugly.

yeah I got a warning letter from the HOA once. the letter that got back was from a super expensive lawyer. with lots of legal talk. ready to explore. the best part was I didn't have to pay for that because my best friend's a lawyer One of those Harvard ones. which he could easily bankrupt this entire HOA with one lawsuit, oddly enough, I haven't heard back from the HOA ever, even though I break pretty much every single rule they have. because I live in a really, really, really, really red state and they will be hard pressed to find 6 to 12 people to side with an HOA.

When your HOA is run by a bunch of Karen's that want to fine people thousands for having a bike in your lawn or a car that is 10 years old good riddance.

A lot of times it's because they're very old buildings that have enormous amounts of deferred maintenance. Replacing a heating system for a 400 unit high rise is enormous, especially when it's full of retirees that have pushed it off for years since they don't want to pay the special assessment. At least those are typically avoidable.

Or they were the bullies as kids.

More likely the control freak bullies who never grew up and kept on their bullying was into adult hood. You will find that they are made up of old men of the stay off my lawn mentality that now have a way to pick on everyone in the neighborhood.

But you don't care of your neighbors hate you for it.

​​@@JPKnapp-ro6xm It is MY house and IAM the one that makes the house payments. If my neighbors want a say in how my house is kept, then LET THEM make my payments for me. Otherwise the neighbors can shove it.

I trust my HOA more than I trust the government. Not only do they see me face to face everyday, but my vote actually represents my interests, as opposed to lobbies running the show

It doesn’t sound like that would be too bad IF the HOA rules began and ended with the joint responsibility to pay someone to take care of that.

Sounds like a good reason to not move to NC. All these new subdivision south of Raleigh are destroying the environment and overloading the counties.

@@armymutt25A Too many people and constant growth, everywhere you go. Don’t ever count on finding someplace nice, because it tomorrow it will change into something you can’t stand.

I live in Charlotte, NC and I own two homes (one built in 1987, the other in 1980) and neither have an HOA. Who wants new construction anyway?

its a challenge but it is possible to buy outside of one. but it takes way more time to. I found a brand new modular that is not in an HOA. definitely paying a bit of a premium, but absolutely worth it.

Don't buy into an HOA, you're exposing yourself to life-ruining risk.

Some areas have voluntary HOAs which have no rules they can enforce, but have a few community events, like dinners, decorating the entrance, and community yard sales. The fees are optional, but if you want to go to the free barbeque, you need to pay. Mine is $60 per year.

@@johnhaller5851 See, THAT I'd be onboard with. I'm cool with paying a monthly or yearly fee for a community group that organizes community stuff. I don't like the idea of paying a fee to a private organization that can just make up rules, make up fines, enforce those rules/fines on my house, and not have any way I can appeal or do anything about it. Like, if I break a county code and I get cited by the county, I can appeal if I don't think I'm in violation, and the ordinances are usually more like "don't let your grass get over a foot tall," not "your house and fence must be on the approved colors list" or "no putting trash cans out too early"

It’s more so powered by a lot of people live in adult bodys without being adults. They leave their yards a mess, vehicles and junk all over, never taking care of their homes and so on. Not saying they have to but if they won’t they can pay someone to. The simple fact is people don’t like having grungy neighbors. Some don’t want kids around others don’t want animal. Guidlines that outline the expectations of the living situation you’re buying into is favorable to some. Though many HOAs overstep

It's a two edged sword: On one hand you know those houses with 4 broken down cars and a algae covered boat in the front yard? A rule would help. On the other, being fined for changing a tire in front of your house... It all comes down to having reasonable people in charge.

Umm. Yeah. Probably. 😂😂

Sadly, yes.

USA has one of the lowest homelessness per capita in developed countries, UK, france, sweden, Canada, and most of europe all have higher homelessness rates than the US.

HOAs ha e banned folks from flying the American flag. GOOGLE IT.

Yep, those people have discovered that they opted for audacious overreach that come with penalities, punishment and ultimately, property confiscation.

... until you or the next president decide to rule against the Davis Stirling Act. Giving one person or an HOA board this much power is a one way ticket to hell.

This video is not presenting all the facts.

@@tutttutt9558: the facts that the video presents are disturbing enough.

Ah bdhold, the benevolent tyrant!

@@MrCPPG We came to this HOA governed property after selling our much larger family home upon retirement. I kinda dislike the restrictions that being in an HOA demands. However, it is hard to find a freehold townhouse so we take the bad with the good. Don't like HOAs? Don't buy an HOA govern property.

A good one. When they increase your bill by 200% you won't be saying that.

You can’t NOT have an HOA (technically a COA) when living in a condominium building. When people are crammed that close together there have to be rules to prevent one person from making misery for everyone else. Interesting, you rarely hear complaints about COAs in the press. A lot of them are converted apartment buildings and they seem to have a more minimal set of rules that aren’t more restrictive than the rules any apartment dweller would expect. Even there you get people who move in and think they shouldn’t have any rules at all though. And they didn’t read the rules until after they arrived, even though it’s part of the sales process.

agreed! not all HOAs are bad but all it takes is 1 bad board member to make it terrible

HOAs are kinda like communism. Hyper concentrated power within a tiny clique that can’t be held accountable for their looting of others

Same can be said for a lot of things aside from HOAs. Police for instance. I know plenty of police officers that are great people and they'll be some of the first to tell you that the justice system has plenty of opportunity for abuse of power. Good examples doesn't change it being a bad system.

How can people just form an HOA in a neighborhood that never had one?

@@louislesch3878So here is my thought on that. I think the rush to get rid of single family zoning is going to turbo charge the development of HOAs where they previously did not exist. Have a nice neighborhood and don’t want greedy developers tearing out all the trees to cram in multiplexes, get your neighbors to set up an HOA. Like your quiet neighborhood and don’t want to add hundreds of people and their cars to your street, set up an HOA.