How Hull Coatings Affect PWC: WCJ Quick Topic

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The Watercraft Journal

The Watercraft Journal

2 жыл бұрын

This Quick Topic segment was taken from our full-length podcast titled "Corrections, Retractions & Other Stuff I Screwed Up" and can be viewed in its entirety HERE: • Corrections, Retractio...
Rob Chancleta first approached WCJ with his Gator Glide-equipped FX SVHO (images taken from the video linked below), which sparked this conversation topic. All due credit goes to Rob:
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@robertcroslin2883
@robertcroslin2883 2 жыл бұрын
Great Info! I now have "Another" winter project for my FX SVHO! 😉
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
And what is that?
@michaelhanna2104
@michaelhanna2104 Жыл бұрын
Subscribed! Picking up a 2022 sea doo gtx 300 limited and it has some minor scratching on the front of the hull at the beginning of the V. Was considering fixing and also curious if I should clear coat with the flex additive to protect when beaching....overkill or nah?
@jeffsurprenant1017
@jeffsurprenant1017 Жыл бұрын
That was perfect!
@jeffgabriel9625
@jeffgabriel9625 Жыл бұрын
Great video thank you!
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal Жыл бұрын
Appreciated
@milestone_media
@milestone_media Жыл бұрын
I offer gator glide in nj I have had a excellent experience so far no hard biting like you mention and a little faster but I go all the way to where Yamaha had the stickers a little under it. I also spray it on to have that oem paint consistency just with a little more texture
@SaltyPirate71
@SaltyPirate71 Ай бұрын
This guy has no idea what he's talking about. Irrespective of the actual effectiveness of any of these products, he's just regurgitating "bro science" and using terms and words he's heard but doesn't understand. I have graduate degrees in physics and aerospace engineering and specialize in computational fluid dynamics. I help design and refine the designs of aircraft, boats, automobiles and rockets. This guy couldn't understand the wrapper on a Snickers bar. I choked on my coffee listening to this cartoonish explanation of hydrodynamics.
@TheBuffdaddy111
@TheBuffdaddy111 2 жыл бұрын
Kevin, thanks for the videos, they are all fantastic. One question, just purchased a 2019 FX Limited. For the hull, all of my riding will be in a local lake. Do i really need to be concerned with the hull issues I've read about since I'm not hitting huge waves or running up hard on my floating dock or trailer?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
Yes and yes, Kevin has exhaustively detailed what FX owners need to do to preserve their hulls. Please review his videos.
@MikeZ32TT
@MikeZ32TT 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Kevin
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
You bet!
@altezza1945
@altezza1945 Жыл бұрын
Hey Kevin, will keelguard work well on my yamaha ex to protect the hull from damage , pros vs cons thanks
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal Жыл бұрын
It’ll ride like trash.
@michaelsteele7420
@michaelsteele7420 23 күн бұрын
Is the clear coat with the flex additive just as durable as the gator glide?
@TheBradKear
@TheBradKear Жыл бұрын
So if your not interested in making you ski faster but better to handle turns….but look good and you have a plastic hull ( 2023 gtr 230) what can you use ?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal Жыл бұрын
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@mikelazar7954
@mikelazar7954 10 ай бұрын
Any product number for the flex additive? And is there a certain ratio to mix into the clear coat?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 10 ай бұрын
Literally ANY paint shop will be able to answer this.
@skipmidgett6189
@skipmidgett6189 11 ай бұрын
Would putting a ceramic coating on the entire bottom section of a newer Sea Doo Ski slow it down or speed it up? Thanks
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 11 ай бұрын
Neither
@ellisken64
@ellisken64 Жыл бұрын
Getting a Fish Pro Trophy in 3 days, and most fishing. Thinking after this video, just ceramic coating top half and not hull. Thoughts?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal Жыл бұрын
Yeah, ceramic coating won't last very long on the hull.
@droiddyman55
@droiddyman55 2 жыл бұрын
What is the best brand of clear coat to use for this procedure?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
No idea. PPG?
@zixxerlev
@zixxerlev Жыл бұрын
Speedcoat 49... Same thoughts and feelings?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal Жыл бұрын
Never heard of it.
@jetguyfly1
@jetguyfly1 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't the oem paint on the nanoxcell hull still spider crack underneath the gator glide? And Wouldn't that , now comprised spider cracked oem paint, cause a failure of the gator glide that is on top of the spider cracked paint?
@jetguyfly1
@jetguyfly1 2 жыл бұрын
@@watercraftjournal who is talking about sea-doo's ?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, and that's why a clear coat with flex additive is the smarter decision.
@jetguyfly1
@jetguyfly1 2 жыл бұрын
@@watercraftjournal I would think that even clear w flex would eventually fail if the oem substrate cracked.
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
Good question. Optimally no. Again, it's nowhere near as fragile as the internet would have you believe; but two coats of clear with flex additive will keep it contained, even if it begins to crack beneath.
@jetguyfly1
@jetguyfly1 2 жыл бұрын
@@watercraftjournal Need advice on a upcoming purchase of a pwc. Appreciate input on what would be best. 2017-2021 Kawasaki Ultra 310lx or 2019-2021 Yamaha FX SVHO. Ultra 310LX benifits: SMC fiberglass hull with gellcoat paint (strong and durable) Best hull in waves and chop Reliable engine Comes with Bluetooth audio Most storage (50+ gallons) ________________________________ Ultra 310LX drawbacks: I don't love the looks, but it's OK Manual reverse lever, no brakes Seat may be too wide when standing High fuel consumption Short rear deck _________________________________ Yamaha FX SVHO Benifits: Looks cooler More available to choose from Easier to upgrade Less maintenance of supercharger pully pivot and belts Larger rear deck w option for rec deck Brake and left hand reverse ___________________________________ Yamaha FX SVHO Drawbacks: Nanoxcell 2 hull delamination worries (gatorglide fix good enough ?) Supercharger clutch failure Not as good in the chop and waves
@davidward2370
@davidward2370 2 жыл бұрын
You can spray GatorGlide like a clear coat, it dose not have to have the orange peel. Its way tougher and as much better adhesion. The turning real does not have much to do with the flat surfaces but more with the strakes and chine.
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
I have personally reached out to ALL THREE OE manufacturers as well as Cigarette Racing and a custom surfboard shaper on this topic. Differing surface tensions are direct causes for hull tracking and cornering instability. -K
@davidward2370
@davidward2370 2 жыл бұрын
@@watercraftjournal I agree but what causes the most surface tension? I summit it is the hull design. Change the shape of the brake alone will cause the craft to change its turning dramatically. We do not have a disagreement except maybe the degree of change caused by coating. I guess it depend on why one is coating the bottom, preservation or racing. My Ski with GatorGlide turns very hard.
@kamax7672
@kamax7672 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Dave, so is the turn consistent or does it give out part of the way thru the turn and you adjust for that?also did you apply this or someone else ?
@johnwest2396
@johnwest2396 2 жыл бұрын
@@kamax7672 I haven't put Gator Glide on mine yet I know 4 differant folks that have gator on their entire hull and one just did portions like where the bunks sit. they've had it on for almost 2 years now and they're not getting the reaction or negative effects that Kevin talks about, but what Kevin does say makes sense if you go by the physics of the water tension on the hull I don't know I'm not totally sold on it and not totally against it
@VladOnEarth
@VladOnEarth Жыл бұрын
@@johnwest2396 it does makes sense what he said indeed, but if you ACTUALLY know physics, you should also understand that those effects, while present, will be so minimal, that there will be no way to notice any difference. even if they affect as must as 5%, you would never notice that, but they affect even less actually.
@tareiknetro315
@tareiknetro315 3 ай бұрын
I fucking loved this clip
@bcsmallengines1874
@bcsmallengines1874 11 ай бұрын
What about using rain x on the hull ?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 11 ай бұрын
This is why I'm quitting.
@bcsmallengines1874
@bcsmallengines1874 11 ай бұрын
@@watercraftjournal cool story, turn off comments if you can't handle it.
@JeTsKi_MiSfItS
@JeTsKi_MiSfItS 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Kev, at least give me some photo credits 😂
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
100% We'll link your video in the description right now.
@Captainchokeout3994
@Captainchokeout3994 2 жыл бұрын
Watched this live stream. I’d never put anything on my hull. Side note. I’m in a group that makes, and produces comics away from the main 2 (marvel & DC) I spoke with Steve Dye. Said he knew/knows you
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
You've got me, Cpt. How do I know Steve Dye? -K
@gary19222
@gary19222 2 жыл бұрын
Well what's the best thing to do when you don't wanna scratch the hell out of a ski?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
Just what Kevin suggested, 1-or-2 coats of automotive clear coat with flex additive.
@VladOnEarth
@VladOnEarth Жыл бұрын
@@watercraftjournal I assume you'd still want to sand it afterwards to true it if you are aiming at perfection. After it is true you may want to add another final coat also.
@henrytischbein155
@henrytischbein155 Жыл бұрын
Except on the superjet it’s gelcoat
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal Жыл бұрын
That's the first we've heard.
@ericbryant796
@ericbryant796 2 жыл бұрын
Check out the bottom on a race boat...it will not be shiny, wax smooth....you'll see it looks quite dull.
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
LOL
@VladOnEarth
@VladOnEarth Жыл бұрын
it doesnt actually prove anything, you will be shocked how little research most manufacturers do. Products are released with extremely dumb design mistakes all the time.
@ericbryant796
@ericbryant796 Жыл бұрын
I should have expanded on my comment. A well know offshore boat manufacturer who had a pad bottom boat design used 400 grit sandpaper on the bottom of the race boats...thus the dull look instead of nice shiny gelcoat. No, I wouldn't do that to my Jetski bottom. 😜
@markmahoney6857
@markmahoney6857 Жыл бұрын
One thought... "flex additive" is meant for products like bumper covers so they can be assembled without cracking the paint. Having said that, "flex additive" evaporates in 12-24 hours depending on brand. So don't waste your money on flex additive. Just sayin'
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal Жыл бұрын
Absolutely not, Mark. At all. Flex additive alters the catalyst to keep paint from cracking - like you said on plastic bumpers. It does NOT evaporate, as much as the catalyst evaporates.
@deepdivetrading
@deepdivetrading 2 жыл бұрын
That #502 will run over you lol
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen him shoot. I'm safe. -K
@ussmillerco
@ussmillerco 2 жыл бұрын
Really?
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
Yup
@chrisengelbrecht5317
@chrisengelbrecht5317 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Kevin. Instead off doing a whiteboard video,why not do an actual physical test and show the viewers what you saying is incorrect.
@watercraftjournal
@watercraftjournal 2 жыл бұрын
And how would you like me to do that, Chris? What exactly would convince you that the material I presented is true?
@VladOnEarth
@VladOnEarth Жыл бұрын
Why don't you sponsor him to do that then? lol. I hope you understand how much labor and time will be involved in that test? So yeah, put your money where your mouth is lol
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