Can you do a video on your pedals? Spring tension, why the heel plate removal, etc.

@@dieselnautburkey4677 Hi! Apologies for the late reply, must have slipped through the notifications! I did a review of the pedals in another video, where I talk briefly about the spring tension and heel plate removal. You can watch that here: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pJOHZq6QurvSdnk.html Hope this helps!

@@OwenAlec cool, thank you!

Wonderful mate, loved it

I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching 🙂

Its the only way to achieve double strokes

No offence but if it has that feel but you meant to do 16th notes you're probably doing it wrong

Hahah I have the same issue sometimes, just got to power through and get the muscle memory built up! 😅

@@OwenAlec thanks man 🙏

Dude how? Hahaha

@@omniammar dude I practiced so much, I practiced heel toe more than I did homework.

Glad I could help 😊

Thanks dude, you'll have to keep me updated on your progress 👍

I really struggled in the beginning... Keep at it and you'll get it! Let me know how you get on :)

No mate, not just you. Seems to evade me this technique. I've tried and tried

You're most welcome ☺

Cheers dude!

Glad it helped!

Thanks 😅

Keep me updated on your progress 😊

@@OwenAlec will do good sir. Thank you for your video

You're most welcome, glad you found the video useful 🙂

You’re welcome! 😊

From my personal experience, I found that having it too high (i.e. maxed out), fatigued my muscles too fast, but I loosened them a little and they felt really good. Definitely worth trying a range of tensions to find what’s best for you.

@OwenAlec yeah mate, I went second notch from the top of my demon drives and it works well. I like getting my heel onto the pedal too to get a louder stroke. Playing and electric kit compared to and acoustic feels loads different too.

Thanks! :)

As do I! Still got a lot of practice to do haha

Nice one! Definitely keep me updated on your progress 😊

@@OwenAlec I am doing OK, having trouble going quick. I can consistently do heel to r, l, r, l but then I can't seem to use it to go any faster than heel up. Any advice?

It's a slow process but I promise, if you keep at it, work on precision and control, then the speed will come

On a serious note to, aiming with the right part of the foot made a noticable difference.

It can be a daunting challenge in the beginning because there’s a lot of information to consider. I might look at doing an updated video soon, if there was something specific you’d like me to in depth with?

@@OwenAlec you could probably make an overly in depth guide to this going over as much as possible. Talking about throne height/distance, leg angle, knee to ankle angle, what muscles you use, pedal settings and so on. At the moment I’m currently struggling with balance as I feel my throne is too soft for my body. I can’t seem to dial in sitting / leg angles (distance between pedals as well). It’s unbelievably easy to get overwhelmed while playing. Okay on a side note. From what I understand you’re meant to lift up your leg with your hip flexor on the second stroke. The first is somewhat of a pressing motion (heel to floor) then lift and roll in a sense for the second. I’m trying to figure out how my body’s meant to feel while playing right now. Am I meant to be slightly hovering on the throne barely touching the pedals? I’m not sure if you sell lessons or would be able to talk in a one on one lesson. Let me know and maybe we can work it out write up an approach for the community. Thanks for the help! Keep ‘em comin

Do whatever works for you, dude! If you're getting good results then keep at it! As long as it's not causing and strains or pains then there's no issue. I do struggle when I get to lower tempos but then I just switch to the slide technique.

Hey dude, congrats on taking the plunge, it's a really useful tool to have in your arsenal! The heel plate was more down to personal preference but I think it definitely helps get more leverage. Keep me updated on your progress! :)

Keep at it, you'll get there! 💪

Move your foot a little further back and try to use the extra space/leverage made at the bottom end by digging your heel in for the first stroke. Hope this helps

Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it. I haven’t had any issues with my knees and I haven’t heard anyone mention it before, so I’d say no but perhaps keep an eye on it if you’re concerned about it

@@OwenAlec alright, then maybe I’m over thinking it. Thank you so much for your reply!

Jabba Dabba.....

There's several ways of playing fast kick drum runs, some people (like me) have to do the heel-toe technique and do double stroke rolls. Others use the swivel technique or the slide etc... but others can just brute force it and play really fast single stroke rolls because they're super-human! Kind of like Gene Hoglan and Luke Holland haha

It’s mostly down to personal preference, however I would suggest more of a tight spring tension. Trial and error.

As far as I know, they should be basically the same overall design, so yes, it should work but let me know if you run into any issues and I'll do my best to help 😊

Well it sounds like you've done the bulk of the hard work, getting the technique down! Of course, moving from an electric kit to an acoustic kit will feel quite different. The best thing I can suggest is to try various different drumhead and pedal spring tensions to see what feels best for you. Personally, I have a medium tuned kick head and just less than fully tightened pedal springs. Either way, it's going to take some time to get used to it and develop the muscle memory BUT lots of practice WILL yield results! Best of luck and let me know how you get on 😊

@@OwenAlec thank u for the suggestion... will definitely try to fiddle with the spring tensions....thank you once again ...🙂🙂. Do check out my page as well ..✌✌

I noticed when i was playing double strokes with a bass drum that wasn't setup the way i would have liked on a gig... It failed to be accurate and tight but i started to practice the swivel technique which changed everything but if this is the technique for you... use it but play tight

I do H-T (Right) then H-T (Left)... although I would be curious to try the other way, see how that feels! Good question!

hi! a bit late on the topic but I've never achieve to make this pattern like RR LL double strokes yet, instead I'm using the same technic but I'm going RLRL or H(R) H(L) then T(R) and T(L), like Wanja's do, the heel toe single strokes, a really nice flow and for me, a way more natural movement with the feets and the brain coordination haha, give it a try perhaps, cheers bros

@@mariosief2 you should share a video of it. I tried this, but tbh, I'm faster with single strokes.

@@mariosief2 can you speed it up to 200 bpm ? If you do i ll give it a try !

Only a small difference really, the technique itself should work on shortboards and longboards, I just found that longboards worked better for me

They're Low Boy Custom Lightweight Beaters, highly recommend checking them out 😊

Power will come with time but try to focus more on getting the technique consistent and fluid first, then build Power and speed 💪 The more control you have over the technique/movements, the easier everything else will fall into place

@@OwenAlec hey Owen! Glad to hear back from you, thank you so much for the info I really appreciate it, that cleared allot up. Also this video was extremely helpful and was very informative and all the visuals were really helpful to. Thanks allot and keep up the great work!

I'm glad you got something out of it, best of luck and be sure to update me on your progress!

Same here! Best of luck dude, let me know how you get on! 👍

@@OwenAlec but still don't know, how it sounded when using triggers I still don't have triggers 😂

I'm not sure, I've never used triggers haha Although I'm thinking about giving them a go at some point 😅

@@OwenAlec ahh i see You using heel-toe at some point on the song ? I mean, not for full song like death metal or something (?) If i'm not wrong 😂

It's definitely worth trying out a few different tensions to see what works best for you. I'm on a medium-tight tension, so not quite full but still giving a decent amount of resistance and bounce back. Hope this helps 😊

@@OwenAlec thanks for the reply appreciate it 🙂

No worries, if you have any other questions, feel free to drop me a message

I completely agree, everyone is different, but the beauty of the heel-toe technique is that everyone can learn/adapt it to suit them. I never thought I'd be able to do it when I first started but with practice, it became a lot easier 😊 I hope you can crack it, please do let me know how you get on!

@@OwenAlec agreed! I like heel toe where my heel never actually touches the back of the peda, I use more like the back arch of my foot but the same concepts, I do struggle to go fast fast though, I'm stuck at a wall of just fast but not quite where I want it

Get a long board pedal without plate … head tension a little tighter than usual and spring tension too for faster rebound … that’s all!!!! Some great pedals for heeltoe Pearl demonator Pearl demondrive Axis longboards Trick longboards Ddrum quicksilver Tama Dynasynch Tama Speed cobras

Size don't matter, adjust your foot on your footboard. You can use this technique from top to bottom of the board. Best pedals for heel toe, speed cobras ( mine ) awesome for the price point, pearl demonator chains or demon drive ( light AF under your foot ) nad if you have crazy money to spend axis longboard.

Power tools... although I tried many different sized bits to get the best fit before using it, as to not damage anything.

@@OwenAlec An impact wrench by any chance? I'm actually going to try and install a longboard from ACD Unlimited. This guy has some very cool pedal mods. Inventor of the Darwin pedal. On the web.

For sure, I've heard really good stuff from ACD, in fact, I might try his Double Pedal Drive Shaft, supposed to make the pedals SUPER even

@@OwenAlec You are correct, Sir. He's got a KZfaq channel and videos on his website that demonstrate them. I've already got the longboard for the Eliminator but I only need an adapter plate at the heel to finish the job. And forget the original screws I'm having him recommend something better.

@@OwenAlec Just thought I would chime in with some newsworthy news today. Just bought a Tama Speed Cobra HP910LN single pedal that arrived today. Game over! This pedal does it all for me. Regular doubles, heel toe. Great feel! Longboard. Independent footboard and beater angle adjustments. I'm returning the 9000. Tama was $229 plus tax. Couldn't be happier.

Hey, glad you enjoyed the video! Once you get used to the motion of the technique, the speed comes pretty quick, its the stamina that needs the most amount of practice! Let me know how you get on!

OwenAlec will do for sure man you should do more tutorials I’ve watched a lot on doubles with the feet and this has been easiest to work with 👍 🙂

Cheers dude! I have some more tutorials coming out over the next few weeks but if there's anything specific you'd like me to go over, just let me know.

OwenAlec I’m just trying improve my speed with feet and hands. If you got any tips for hand speed that would be a cool topic. How do the dw pedals feel.

I'll see what I can put together :) The DW's feel great, very smooth, easy to adjust and the build quality is amazing!

Yeah, it's a really useful tool to have in your arsenal 😊

I suppose you could... although it might not be the most effective way to do singles

For this video I had the tension pretty high, however since then, I've loosened them off a touch but that's just down to personal preference, I'd always recommend trying different tensions to see what's most comfortable for you :)

@@OwenAlec thanks ! would you say it's a different world playing with bare feet as opposed to shoes? Having an e-kit in my room i kinda don't want to put shoes on just for drumming.

If you're doing the technique correctly, it shouldn't make too much of a difference. However if you do decide to use shoes at any point, it will feel odd until you get used to it. Always best to practice both if you can 😊

@@OwenAlec thanks i'll try both. until now, it just felt a bit "difficult" to perform, since the toes bend much easier being bare footed and it feels like i need to worker harder to perform the rocking motion, but i'll see if i can get used to it, would be fantastic. Thanks for the tips !

My pleasure, be sure to let me know how you get on 😊