Earthspark on the mind

@@samurexatlas7373 it is the current show after all, happens

I mean isn't that also just G1 Reflectors thing.

After TJ killed Optimus. I was waiting for him to make these two symmetrically dock to fight Devy

E-Hobby actually did release G1 Skids and Crosscut repaints in Bayverse Green and Orange, I hope we get a Legacy set. The Mudflap one was named Screech where as the green Skids was presented as an alternate universe version of him

And they also did G1 Ironhide & Ratchet in Bayverse black & green.

@@DragoonMS I think the black Ironhide was a Diaclone thing that happened to also resemble the Bayverse by virtue of being black so good release timing with the Ratchet.

being "consistently o the right side of history" is jist being a current thing supporter and a heavy bench sitter in most cases. its just being safe and compliant. its not exactly hard.

As long as they stick to Jazz being played by actually black actors, I think they could use him without it being a problem. FOC dropped the ball with that, unfortunately. It SOUNDS convincing but yeah that guys not black. I know Dot’s actress from Earthspark is interested in playing a fem version of Jazz, an idea the Cyberverse team similarly had, and I do hope we can see that idea brought to fruition at some point.

​@Cdr2002 as long as the person has SOUL, that's all that matters to me to stay true to the character. Again, to me. I personally thought Troy Baker did a good job in FOC, though I still prefer Scatman Crothers and Phil LaMarr's' voices in G1 and Animated respectively.

@@THEW0LFB0Y you can feel that way, but as a person of color myself, I would very much prefer it if a character like Jazz who has always been black-coded had voice actors that followed suit. Troy Baker imo was acceptable once. I do not want to see another white in the booth as this character again, and I’m sorry if that offends you.

​@Cdr2002 no offense taken, to each their own! :)

​@@redneckranger2144 I'd watch that lol

Nobody can bring up the twins without referring to the controversial racism.

I felt the reason was kinda obvious tbh

@@tracytron7162 Well I had no clue what the full shoutout was but yes I assumed it might've tied into them being stereotype caricatures.

... you genius. That actually works LEAGUES better than what they actually were. Would've been right in line with the DOTM Wreckers being so far removed from their namesakes, too.

Great idea but for skids you said death instead of blind

@@8ball180 Thank you, but I actually made two mistakes, in the concept I was referencing Skids is indead deaf, and misspelt it, while Mudflap is blind.

@@medafan53 ah ok

Only other time I'm aware of that it happened was Chewie and Han each becoming a separate half of the millennium falcon.

i think you're overestimating the amount of work that went into this movie

It's more like the Prequel Trilogy of Transformers. Which is to say, it's incredibly poorly written, has incredibly flat characters and dialogue, performances range from good to just terrible, all of the good memories come from action sequences rather than the writing, it's a lot more bigoted than most people want to admit, and people will defend it passionately because they watched it when they were little.

​@@EL-uj1pl it can be really fun because it has all those flaws and wasn't afraid of doing "socially bad stuff". remember, they're giant alien robots, why would they not be allowed to be racist towards humans, even on the side of "the good guys".

Dude, they're just movies and toys. Its not that serious

@@isuckatusernames4297There's a difference between a character being racist, and the movie promoting racism. For example, you've no doubt seen more than a few movies wherein the theme is bigotry, and how it's awful. They typically have a bigoted character standing in for this idea. Think Mandroid from Earthspark or that one politician from X-Men. Now compare this with a movie that is deliberately racist, without acknowledging or demonizing its racism. ROTF is a good example, so is Dumbo, Aristocats, a lot of older movies where the characters are just cruel or stereotypical because the writers couldn't hold back their prejudice. They aren't going to say that being racist is bad, because they don't believe it is. They're not villains to be defeated, they're straw men to be booed.

@@EL-uj1pl how are the twins actively promoting being racist ? the humans barely enknowledge them, they're shown to be dumb and I haven't seen any actual black guy getting mad at them, in fact treebot review actually did say he found them funny.

Because then they were refined and classed up, as it wasn't Bay writing out his jokes.

@@samurexatlas7373 Bay doesn't write the movies. The writers were the people who wrote the new Top Gun and created Transformers Prime.

@@syafiqjabarthen why were they slumming it for five movies lol

​​@@syafiqjabarNormally he doesn't but as TJ mentioned in the video, there was a writers' strike going on and Orci and Kurtzman were part of that. While they did get screenwriter credits for ROTF, Bay had to fill in a lot of the gaps to keep the production going.

@@Trebleshot We also know that the screenplay that became revenge of the fallen was also written mere weeks before the strike started,

No, they're not going to be missed in Studio Series. Hasbro wouldn't catch any fire for not adding them.

I still like ROTF in spite of its flaws (the Twins included), but I think the unfortunate way Skids & Mudflap turned out is due in part to the 2008 Writers Strike - not so much Orci & Kurtzman (I think their final pass on 2007 was fine but I'd want to read the versions prior to the final), but I think Ehren Kruger just wasn't the best choice - especially with how much he got away on DOTM & AOE with O&K working on Prime and apparently getting people who cared about the series (or even a competent guiding hand like Spielberg) was too much to ask for; which leads into the casting of Reno Wilson as Mudflap (and Tom Kenny as Skids to a lesser extent) coming off as racist; I think they did an OK job given what they got and I can believe the chemistry of twins who know enough about each other but not to not get personal/emotional things override reason when the moment needs the latter (Bee being the Moe to the Twins' Larry & Curly knocking their heads in being appreciated on a few levels); and for the designs, I think they're fine (bar the lips on Mudflap, I'm sure the boys at ILM had no ill intent, especially with Devastator being such a prevailing nightmare among the other demanding CG work) being lopsided mirror-image scamps vs the the decidedly more "G1 Hot Rod or Hound" vibe about Bumblebee's direction - I liked both the solo & Duobot jalopy ice cream truck toys, and I think if we don't have much left for the older movies in Studio Series, it'd still feel off to not have the Twins get some sort of mulligan or other redemption in SS or any future shows or movies (like how Scrappy Doo has been similarly barred from any real redemption or new take after a bunch of grouches got mad at that character for things outside Scrappy's control, but I digress) I totally see where TJ's coming from and I get his take, just I feel someone has to be Devil's Advocate for characters like these two and I'd want to see them get a second chance of some sort - especially since the cavalcade of bad luck for Mudflap has vastly overshadowed Reno Wilson's *_excellent_* effort here given the cards dealt as well as being a highlight of the first film as Frenzy, and I hope he gets to have great roles in future

Theyre not both played by white actors lol

@@itsuki2877 i know that I was saying a way to make more obvious that they supposed to be wannabe gangsters

@@ajerjavec4723 I disagree, but sure.

@@itsuki2877 like I said the crew has said they supposed to wannabe gangsters

@@ajerjavec4723 I’m not speaking about them being portrayed as ‘gangsters’ I disagree with the wild shit people are trying to say about the characters. I don’t care to argue

Fist-o-con

The damage has been done, I think. Hasbro will likely never touch those two again, and it's for the best.