How I Laundered Money For Pablo Escobar's Cartel | A DEA Agent's Uncut Story

How I Laundered Money For Pablo Escobar's Cartel | A DEA Agent's Uncut Story | How Crime Works

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Robert Mazur tells the full story of his time as a government agent investigating drug-money laundering. Mazur went undercover for the US Drug Enforcement Administration, the Internal Revenue Service intelligence division, and the Customs Service.
In Operation C-Chase, Mazur successfully infiltrated the Medellín cartel by posing as a wealthy, mob-connected businessman named Robert Musella. He established connections with Pablo Escobar's lawyer Gonzalo Mora and Escobar's trafficker Roberto Alcaino. At the height of its power, the cartel is estimated to have supplied over 80% of all cocaine shipped to the US, around 15 tons a day.
In Operation Promo, Mazur posed as an Italian American businessman named Robert Baldasare to expose money-laundering networks associated with the Cali cartel. At its peak, the Cali cartel is estimated to have produced 80% of the world's cocaine supply. It was controlled by Gilberto Rodríguez Orejuela, Miguel Rodríguez Orejuela, Pacho Herrera, and José Santacruz Londoño.
Mazur is the author of "The Infiltrator," which became a New York Times bestseller and spawned a 2016 film of the same title, starring Bryan Cranston (as Mazur), John Leguizamo, and Diane Kruger. Today, Mazur speaks and consults on the issues of money laundering, drug trafficking, and corruption around the world through his company, KYC Solutions.
For more information about Mazur's speaking, expert witness, and consulting services, visit:
www.robertmazur.com/
Read his latest memoir, "The Betrayal," about his second undercover operation on the inside of the Cali cartel:
www.amazon.com/Betrayal-Story...
Read his first memoir, "The Infiltrator," about his time investigating the Medellín cartel:
www.amazon.com/Infiltrator-Ag...
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00:00 - Intro
00:48 - Creating The Persona
03:50 - Cartel Connections
05:22 - The Traffickers
07:57 - The Black-Money Market
11:00 - Collecting The Cash
14:43 - Layering
16:04 - The Surveillance
18:32 - Surviving Undercover
21:47 - Corrupt Banks
25:33 - The Middlemen
32:50 - Death Threats
34:24 - The Cali Cartel
38:39- The Betrayal
41:58 - The Future Of Money Laundering
45:18 - The Aftermath
46:26 - Credits
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How Cartel Money Laundering Actually Works | A DEA Agent's Uncut Story | How Crime Works

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@Markinkski Ай бұрын

These videos are always so interesting and so well put together

@JuanGarcia-fd4gu Ай бұрын

The only thing they need is an editor who puts appropriate music at the right times to make it 50x better

@Insider Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@bodybong Ай бұрын

Shouldn't you interview a politician... They are the best at money laundering

@MultiTHEJOKER 28 күн бұрын

@@JuanGarcia-fd4guI disagree they don’t need it

@Fosi94 27 күн бұрын

No, it's perfect without music. @@JuanGarcia-fd4gu

@drhxa Ай бұрын

Congratulations to drugs for winning the war on drugs

@NutkeyDoesMinecraft Ай бұрын

@Wanderlust073 17 күн бұрын

Congratulations to Vice for putting that comment out there so it can be repeated on endless youtube videos for years.

@Dropbare Ай бұрын

It's Kevin Spacey.

@blesstyou Ай бұрын

yeah uncanny, the hair.

@KookusMaximus Ай бұрын

It's one of the clones. There are at least a few hundred out there of varying ethnicity, height, and personality variants constantly monitoring society. The creepy one is a distraction.

@vftsdorado9528 Ай бұрын

Yep.

@theflamingoparty6680 Ай бұрын

Saw this 5 mins in and lmao

@markusgeimer3099 Ай бұрын

This needs WAY more likes

@permabearxbt Ай бұрын

"I went in silhouette because they have a contract on my name", sir they already know who you are 😂

@Mukation Ай бұрын

But they don´t know what he looks like nowadays. Hence the silhouette

@permabearxbt Ай бұрын

@@Mukation ofcourse they do they worked with him for years, you think the DEA offers free plastic surgery?

@ryanjimmy361 Ай бұрын

If he had the contract from 98' i think nobody will recognise his face now🗿@@permabearxbt

@pawoo666 Ай бұрын

it's, so others cannot identify him and tell the cartel, where they saw him.

@Mukation Ай бұрын

@@permabearxbt dying your hair and growing a beard + plus gaining or losing weight. And it's not as if the cartel will send someone who has met him personally, they're in jail. They send random hired goons and those goons don't know what he looks like _today_

@beffjezos7701 Ай бұрын

Another awesome tutorial video.

@DashGlitch Ай бұрын

LOL

@lizzi7128 Ай бұрын

There will be a test on this later.

@Mazeboxx Ай бұрын

The movie 'the Infiltrator' which tells this story, was one of the best movies for me at that time.

@theflamingoparty6680 Ай бұрын

When u realize he spent those years and all those resources and money to arrest only 85 people and make no difference

@tombyrne3996 Ай бұрын

Cool tho init

@theflamingoparty6680 Ай бұрын

@@tombyrne3996 very

@kasperlassner3632 Ай бұрын

@@tombyrne3996hahaha

@leovalenzuela8368 Ай бұрын

People died, too.

@BiGSiX56 Ай бұрын

All a scam

@microplasticsinurblud Ай бұрын

this guy is crazy asf. not only for telling this story but for going back UC into the cali cartel?? this foo lives for the action. some of these players are alive and well today

@paintpaintpaintco.6039 Ай бұрын

I ain’t scared until they start coming for KZfaq comments, I mean what could happ

@DR-dl5re Ай бұрын

He retired in the 90s so these event occurred 40-50 years ago

@cliveadams7629 Ай бұрын

@@DR-dl5reYou're not an accountant, are you?

@Wanderlust073 Ай бұрын

@@cliveadams7629lol 😅😅😅

@mkprivate7523 Ай бұрын

I envy people with this kind of inner drive... Because, let us be real here, he "uncovered" 0.00001% of the total money being laundered every single minute... Dedicated his LIFE and family to it - but ultimately did not make as much a the tiniest "ding" into the global cartel operations.

@violent_bebop9687 Ай бұрын

And now we know why the borders are wide open, why fentanyl is pouring in unfettered

@mkprivate7523 Ай бұрын

PS: i forgot to mention that there is NO doubt in my mind that this "hero" has many millions stashed away in untraceable places (his expertise after all...). At least I HOPE SO, because otherwise the "inner drive" I mentioned earlier could easily be translated to "inner stupidity". And ONE thing this man is not...is stupíd. So...I hope he is enjoying life to the fullest......

@antonioatwhole7087 Ай бұрын

@@mkprivate7523 a raging cartel spotted..

@james6901 Ай бұрын

So do nothing then? You must be American,,,,the land that gave us trump and cheese in a can.

@jacobp8294 29 күн бұрын

@@mkprivate7523 these agents are under major scrutiny. Even with his experience it would be difficult, and when acting under identity protection they monitor your finances closely.

@asuka_the_void_witch Ай бұрын

it is absurd how VAST the criminal underworld is. never fails to amaze me.

@theforgottenson0916 Ай бұрын

Look up (former) Sheriff Jamey Noel Clark County Indiana ....

@brinohosey7498 Ай бұрын

Just the opposite of govt.

@elliottFamily2 Ай бұрын

The demand for drugs in the USA is insane.

@AnthemUnanthemed Ай бұрын

@@brinohosey7498its really not tho tbh

@notmenotme614 Ай бұрын

How cartel money laundering works… literally walk into a HSBC branch with a duffel bag full of $10 bills. Tell them you’d like to deposit it all and they can keep a cut of the money. HSBC says ok, see you tomorrow with another duffel bag and we will try to make the counter a bit easier for you to pass such big piles of bills over. True story! What is the number of HSBC executives in prison for this blatantly obvious money laundering?… 0

@aldobuches14 Ай бұрын

This dude for sure has a stash somewhere to get when he retires or SHTF

@odysseyorchids9507 Ай бұрын

Sniff sniff I ain’t got nothing sniff sniff here take a hondo and stfu

@rhettlee Ай бұрын

EVERYONE falls victim to greed, except him. He got bonuses.

@longfeet14 Ай бұрын

Bryan Cranston killed this role in 'The infiltrator'

@sole__doubt Ай бұрын

Thats why I cant get past the first 15 minutes. Just like Breaking Bad the most over rated tv show in history.

@1aadam Ай бұрын

How does this guy take down the Medellin cartel and then turnaround and do the same to the Cali cartel!? I got a more thorough reference check for my job at a burger flipper at McDonald’s 😂😂😂😂😂

@rhettlee Ай бұрын

I honestly feel terrible for the lives of people on the street who’s lives are ruined over $10-$20. The power of money and the desire to feel different or high is far greater than any legal action will ever be able to solve.

@neel23 Ай бұрын

I love these videos. So well done and captivating from start to end.

@pip_rake 26 күн бұрын

Yes

@BottleBrassMonkey Ай бұрын

Wow, great content guys

@Insider Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@7limey Ай бұрын

Imagine a movie where 2 cops are so undercover and they spend their life trying to put the other in prison just to find out they're both undercover lmao

@yuhboris304 Ай бұрын

Have you watched The Departed? Lol

@nickp6144 Ай бұрын

This is awesome, but didn't he already give this interview/expose on this youtube channel

@ramzanahmed0030 Ай бұрын

I Think so yeah

@kingslemonade Ай бұрын

Yeah, but this is the uncut version. It's more detailed

@65MaX73 Ай бұрын

One of the first things he said is "Im back to tell the whole story"

@Dreamagain11 Ай бұрын

@@65MaX73 yet it's clearly the same footage.

@Markyroson Ай бұрын

Is this a re-upload? I definitely remember this…

@awesomevideos8309 Ай бұрын

Yess, I too remember it

@Insider Ай бұрын

This is a longer version of a previous video!

@JBrotsis1 Ай бұрын

@@Insiderthis should be a pinned comment, Insider.

@versacebruno6427 Ай бұрын

You’re a brave man

@geducam Ай бұрын

Amazing video.

@Insider Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@jamaljames2578 Ай бұрын

Always watching from Georgetown Guyana south America 🇬🇾🇬🇾🇬🇾

@CoreyIsTheName Ай бұрын

nobody cares

@waynesmith4169 Ай бұрын

Same🇬🇾

@ethanwch Ай бұрын

As a bank employee, I would say it is a great educational video in training AML.

@zackhogan4376 Ай бұрын

You took them down, then other's instantly took over.

@Genessis001 Ай бұрын

The Infiltrator...great movie. Bryan Cranston plays this guy(Robert Mazur "Musella")

@jeremychoong5792 Ай бұрын

Nice story and very interesting.

@danielp415 Ай бұрын

The way the bank was like "Yea we do this all the time, how can we help you?" Lmao

@PAPITO_49 Ай бұрын

Interesting. I’m going to have to look 👀 for his books.

@HenryTheOunce Ай бұрын

They just hand it over to HSBC or at least thats how it used to work until they got found out recently 😅

@Sniperboy5551 Ай бұрын

I really like this guy. He’s as real as you can get.

@azoregturbo Ай бұрын

I just can't grasp the idea of being so freaking dedicated for nothing...

@deidradahl2802 Ай бұрын

Spot on. If the USA really cared about the addicts who are living on the pavement of every city, they would fore-go their '''right'''' to live on the streets and force them into care. They would use some of all that confiscated cash to care for them. I am not into drugs of any kind; however, I do believe the whole issue, is jealousy of the cartels having all that money, it's not about the concern of the addicts. IF, the cartels were holding guns to anyone's head to buy, Then I could understand the '''war on drugs''''

@deidradahl2802 Ай бұрын

I Scrolled down looking for this reply.

@sole__doubt Ай бұрын

@@deidradahl2802 Its not possible to force someone to clean up. Its only possible when the patient wants to get sober, period. The US is trying to force people with drug court but its just another govt racket that became an industry. That should be proof that you cant force a person to sober up.

@LlywellynOBrien 19 күн бұрын

What do you mean for nothing?

@deidradahl2802 19 күн бұрын

@@LlywellynOBrien-- He risked his life, his freedom, and his whole family for nothing. Drugs for massive profit is still going strong. Without the guns manufactured in the USA for profit, and the ready market provided by the addicts, the Mexican security could easily have crushed the cartels a long time ago. Also, when their cash is confiscated, they recover it by robbing banks. So, it's all for nothing.

@fredgandolfi2356 Ай бұрын

The cartels mission in the intro sounds a lot like the cia.

@fingersm Ай бұрын

Its all good man!

@jayr3381 Ай бұрын

Shout out to drugs for winning the war ,😂

@phasor50 Ай бұрын

it's what the people wanted! or is it ?? :/

@77gravity 25 күн бұрын

The movie based on this is worth watching, I saw it a couple of weeks ago, and recognised the story from this interview.

@fraxizztv6433 Ай бұрын

Setting up LLC's as we speak! Thank you, Insider! 🎉

@TriManJAI 6 күн бұрын

Give this man a movie

@onelove8062 Ай бұрын

The world needs to replace the *beep* with silence.

@DjDobleU809 Ай бұрын

Re-upload?

@JBrotsis1 Ай бұрын

Is this a reupload? I could’ve sworn I watched this video months and months ago because I remember him saying “I was addicted to getting information”.

@christianward632 Ай бұрын

Really interesting!!! That Dea agent has such a nice voice and a highly admirable moral compass. Imagine what he would be capable of if he was on the cartels side!

@Zenhumanist Ай бұрын

Probably either be dead or doing a long stretch in prison by now tho.

@seeps9353 Ай бұрын

He was... That's what he was capable of.

@Rustyfingaz Ай бұрын

This man is very wise based on his structure of phases @ 4:20

@deltabravo1969 Ай бұрын

The war on drugs is a waste of money. Nobody from Iran Contra went to prison. There’s justice and just us.

@djtomoy Ай бұрын

Could you do a video on how to sell counterfeit spare parts for -80 degrees medical grade deep freezers, I’d find that very interesting and useful given my current situation. Ta.

@gone3208 Ай бұрын

Hi Mr spacey .

@guydreamr Ай бұрын

So he put his life on the line and the drug trade is flourishing as ever? Congratulations to drugs, for winning the war on drugs.

@hblee88 Ай бұрын

Sheesh...and I thought money laundering was just buying Walmart gift cards n real estate....

@jaklair Ай бұрын

said addicted to information

@oRealAlieNo Ай бұрын

Hes definitely railed a line in the name of duty

@bfjsyeh343 Ай бұрын

Hes def the narrator from the movie The Sandlot

@1aadam Ай бұрын

“He got me out of the biggest pickle I’d ever been in my life..” 😂😂😂😂

@tcomneo Ай бұрын

oh nice after the scandal Kevin Spacey is a silhouette actor now awesome^^

@SupraRyu Ай бұрын

it’s crazy. Feds acting like they doing justice but they are just protecting their own interests and at the same time shaking down.

@sauravayyagari9535 Ай бұрын

can you do chicago

@iandaniels679 Ай бұрын

If there was no demand, there would be no supply. I wonder if 50% of the funds spent on the “war on drugs” was instead spent on educating on the danger of using them if demand would drop 50%, 90% or whatever.

@BluemanitouParaon Ай бұрын

Drugs are fun stay mad

@DylanMartinRacing Ай бұрын

So you’re telling me this dude got paid by the US to be a member in a cartel?!🤔🤔 Thats a little sus😂

@a_grown_ass_kid Ай бұрын

I get the silhouette but won't they remember the name Robert Musella*? especially because he doesn't fake an accent or any identity that's not himself...

@tannhauserr Ай бұрын

probably a pseudonym

@crowellsteven84 Ай бұрын

He said in the beginning he spent a year and a half creating the persona of Robert Musella. So it's not his real name it's a cover identity. Then he said later on he discovered the identity among a bunch of others in various stages of being built.

@ericwray8805 Ай бұрын

The Medellín cartel doesn't exist anymore. So his safety isn't really in jeopardy anymore

@multatuli1 Ай бұрын

@@ericwray8805 the old members still alive no? And the enemies he made along his cartel journey too

@williamference9221 Ай бұрын

@@multatuli1Probably, and the orders for his assassination were most likely paid for in advance.

@tims4502 Ай бұрын

I’d like to see this guy review Ozark

@igottanine Ай бұрын

The Medellin Cartel is no longer active (since mid 90s). Even judges and prosecutors who dealt with the Medellin Cartel, and even the coronel who allegedly s*** Escobar who still live in Colombia, are no longer blurring or covering their faces. His safety is not in jeopardy.

@pandacub6164 Ай бұрын

He literally said he had an active green light on him.

@user-zc7yx7su6i Ай бұрын

He literally lied, Medellin cartel no longer exists, it died with PE

@mordsythe Ай бұрын

@@user-zc7yx7su6ino it didn’t, lol.

@siwiskate Ай бұрын

Marty, is that you?

@Taithland Ай бұрын

I'll tell you how to money launder and win: become DEA 🤣 I know a couple agents retired after only 10 years into Eastern Oregon. Bought beautiful ranches, trucks, side-by-sides, fricken everything, but with cash it was peculiar 🤣

@earljohnson2676 Ай бұрын

It’s called credit meathead if they did steal cash they would get caught especially buying toys you really think our government agencies are total morons ? If so cross them and test you theory

@flipnotrab Ай бұрын

Don’t doubt that at all. I knew California CHP, sheriff deputies and Arizona HP and deputies that were all just waiting for the perfect “traffic stop”. Either large amount of cocaine or cash, preferably cash. They would just take it and say “Have a nice day” full well knowing there was so much of both that nobody would ever come looking for it. Traffic Lottery is what they called it. This was 80’s and 90’s so there weren’t cameras everywhere. Yeah, bunch of them retired early.

@larryh968 Ай бұрын

Its done a lot different these days. Has been much different for the last 15 or so years.

@Jordanjuggin Ай бұрын

How so

@2dr3w1 Ай бұрын

and folks this how commodities work.

@bradleysmith9431 Ай бұрын

7:13 5,000 kilos thats over 10,000 lbs of cocaine...😮

@klaysskipper6843 12 күн бұрын

Why is the silhouette in this video but you have other videos where he's not including one of those triple videos and we already know his name is it MAZUR that's just is undercover name

@jdduke8910 Ай бұрын

This is a re-upload or was uploaded to another channel before I’m pretty sure

@markedis5902 Ай бұрын

This guy needs introducing to Neil Woods

@totheleftrightla Ай бұрын

I'm trying to figure out who the criminals are, the chicken or the egg?

@donnawoodford8145 29 күн бұрын

Imo, this undercover activity would be harder to pull off nowadays. AI can track international movement faster.

@KUSHYODA Ай бұрын

This sounds like the show ferry lol

@MultiTHEJOKER 28 күн бұрын

42:45 😂😂 nothing but jokes democracy is he serious

@delxinogaming6046 Ай бұрын

Pre-bitcoin crime is like interpreting cave paintings..

@Laotzu.Goldbug Ай бұрын

Reality not much has changed. the attempts to obscure Bitcoin transactions and end points by moving things through different wallets, exchanges and in and out of the blockchain is really just the whole money laundering process in microcosm online

@mugnuz Ай бұрын

well still usually you need structures to buy abything with crypto. and public chains usually dont make it much better

@jendee1260 17 күн бұрын

lol, do you think crypto mean’s untraceable? it’s 2024, no one is that dumb.

@campshortclip Ай бұрын

Its not an illegal drug problem. Its a money control and taxation problem.

@poeticmic6219 Ай бұрын

That first guy doesnt look even slightly like Kevin Spacey blacked out lol 🤔

@JasonLee-lv7tm Ай бұрын

So how does it feel looking back and knowing that you wasted your entire career on a failing war on drugs?

@mrrockets32 Ай бұрын

Stop it already bien & trump are not good for economy you know what’s funny that drug money saved the economy in 2008

@28ebdh3udnav Ай бұрын

But is it really though for him? He likely made a six figure salary for years plus likely has a very nice retirement package. Likely travels coast to coast with his retirement

@rhettlee Ай бұрын

@@28ebdh3udnavprobably enjoys lots of things he says nothing about. He’s no dunce.

@ev25zv Ай бұрын

@@28ebdh3udnav He probably has bales of cash stashed.

@Zenhumanist Ай бұрын

@@28ebdh3udnav And a contract out on him apparently. I'm guessing these cartel people hold serious grudges.

@benji5150 Ай бұрын

haha he sounds like Bryan Cranston too

@williamference9221 Ай бұрын

The whole thing, ay?

@clearviewproducts Ай бұрын

This guy holds a high paying, high skill job with the cartel, as a person on government salary? Assuming he can't take a salary from the cartel, why would someone do this risk and work for a relatively low government salary? A guy with a multi million dollar ceo skillset that can be legit, plus a master actor, on government salary. Doesn't line up.

@Blashmack Ай бұрын

Because he doesn't get to do what he does as a CEO. You aren't working on high-stakes, international undercover operations leading up to legal cases which show up on the front pages of major newspapers as a CEO. That's what he feels his intelligence and skillset is best at. The work of a CEO is completely different. I think it's completely understandable and lines up perfectly, people don't just go for money, they go for the challenge.

@clearviewproducts Ай бұрын

@@Blashmack Appreciate the reply. I get it, sort of. I would argue that he needs to know international finance laws and regulations, plus knowledge around getting around the system, plus he needs to act the part. Whatever skill title is put on it, CEO or other, it is seriously high skill he is no slouch. I get the challenge and money isn't a driver. Part of the point of the original post I suppose opens the dialog of what law enforcement goes through which one has to appreciate. Still though, very high risks for I assume a ~100k salary current day salary for a skillset that can get paid is a tough program to recruit agents; I would imagine. All thoughts said with appreciation for law enforcement, but the cartels can replace resources easily and cheaper in comparison to the FBI Agent's salary. Such an uphill battle.

@LlywellynOBrien 19 күн бұрын

Maybe he is just a good cop who wants to do the right thing? I know lots of people who could earn far more but that isn't what drives them.

@Aroncare Ай бұрын

DEA IS THE REAL DRUG CARTEL, CHANGE MY MINDE

@user-mu2mp8ll6c Күн бұрын

You aren't wrong

@Curious-Minds Ай бұрын

It's Verbal kint

@jeffcat6981 Ай бұрын

Egos get people hurt/killed and probably worse.

@mns8732 Ай бұрын

The story is that the only liquidity in the 2006 crash was by the cartel deposits. They saved banking and Wallstreet

@Feliz_BroDad Ай бұрын

anyone else notice that we never ever hear a story from the guy or people who were infiltrated, this was over 30 years ago. some must have gotten out

@MultiTHEJOKER 28 күн бұрын

Balls of steal I wish I have that I will rule the world 😂😂

@whenwasnow6062 Ай бұрын

massive -drug- laundering problem.

@whyyouasking9744 Ай бұрын

What's drug laundering?

@whenwasnow6062 Ай бұрын

@@whyyouasking9744 -drug- as in XXXX scratched, erased

@rhettlee Ай бұрын

@@whyyouasking9744you’d need to be in Bolivia to understand probably.

@rosebud3971 Ай бұрын

Until you prosecute the DRUG USERS, drug trafficking and money laundering will continue to prosper.

@MiGluXHD Ай бұрын

well i think regarding to crypto that it will be a legalized normal payment method in the future of some sort.

@MiGluXHD Ай бұрын

what if robots only accept payment in a code, like a bitcoin or other coins?

@CharlieGeorge_ Ай бұрын

It's Burial

@ananamusly Ай бұрын

All this effort and the guy couldn't just say f it legalize and tax drugs so the criminals no longer profit from it

@gaylanwright2317 Ай бұрын

What was different from this video release than the first time?

@cliffp73 Ай бұрын

14:54 additions are just as bad if it’s drugs or information. You will do thinks you normally wouldn’t do for any additions. It’s the endorphin high both are looking for!

@amekopung1204 Ай бұрын

The feds are a machine. They don't run out of time or money

@-BRICKZ Ай бұрын

1:35 that image is from a video game

@GlutenEruption Ай бұрын

Which one?

@echorz Ай бұрын

is this episode new? i would swear i have seen it before.. i remember the part where he mentions about the surveillance guy stereotype to look for

@Markyroson Ай бұрын

Me too. Same with the campsite getting word bit. 100% seen this before.

@Markyroson Ай бұрын

100%

@ivand0007 Ай бұрын

There's even more he doesn't know given they've been at war with the cartel for almost 2 decades and haven't done anything 😂

@bluesky6985 3 күн бұрын

One cartel stealing from another cartel

@cuteshoesandbags8094 Ай бұрын

I never know 100% for sure who's telling the truth in these interviews and who's not. However, by the way he told his story, I think he's on the up and up; the real McCoy.