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great video chis thank you. and thank you to the person that did all that research and number crunching.. very helpful!!

Exactly what I was waiting for 🤜🤛 thanks as always

Hey Chis! Super exited for the easter events. They start in less than 2 hours at the time of this comment posting. Btw Great video!

Chisgule thank you for putting very informative videos every time i need something you have a video on it

This was a great video. I would like to know one thing, if someone has a special talented accessory piece for a specific unit type (let’s say infantry) does the plus 1 bonus still apply if I were to use that same accessory piece for a different unit type?

Gold costs in the game keep rising without ways to obtain gold increasing. As a low spender im struggling on gold for healing and training troops i find myself often having to choose 1 or the other

I saw a screenshot from customer support that the artisan forge event was only coming one time when you enter the season of conquest. That would mean that after the initial four iconic crystals you can get from that event. You'll just be getting two per kvk. One from the Lost canyon shop and one from the free to play portion of the crystal battle pass.

no cap bro you could tell chis is hella happy he got that hammer talented

Thank you for the knowledge!

If you make an iconic equipment and you refine it later on and make it special talent, will you get then the additional base troop buff of +1?

If I put an iconic on my equipment without special talent and I talent it later, will I still get the 30% bonus later on?

Which civilization is best for infantry?

Since I haven't talented all my epic gear sets yet, I'll just save up the crystals for whenever. Thx for the vid

Wick Gaming? Is that you? But anyway, this was a great video. Thanks Chis.

My god I love the big head content! There is one critical information I did not find. Will I lose the hammers if i don’t use them all!?

what happaned to while bonus increases, the efficiency decreases saying?

is it worth to iconic the soluna coin for guan ?

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How do you apply them?

The choice of which equipment to upgrade to iconic is largely irrelevant. Base attack will be multiplied by a larger multiplier than base health, but 1 health is worth perhaps anywhere in between 1.2 to 2 attack, depending on what commanders are being analyzed. For this reason, I think it's more important to make the decision based upon what equipment you have talented (because you get the 30% bonus) & what equipment you feel is least likely to be replaced if new equipment items are released. For the latter reason, priority should be given to Dagger & other accessories, cav health BP, cav health boots, archer health BP.

IMO you should apply iconic crystals to talented gear first and then prioritize health

Coin being good on Guan- does that principle apply to f2p/dolphin players?

Also what is the 5% attack item buff you get I don't have that haha

Hey @chisgule gaming is there anyway I can get in contact with you

Pretty happy there is no bundle for iconic system and Lilith reworked the crystal gain in kvk. Appreciate them “trying” to look out for f2p

Does this game have mobile version like DeFi Warrior I am playing?

I only forge legendary equipments every time I migrate and I have to get rid of tons of gold. So about once a year.

Great video.👍🏻

Soo, making iconic the special talented equipment that you have it is better than for example icon boots untalented?

Can we refine an iconic equipment later?

What if you put the iconic on a non specialized gear and then specialize it. Will the +1 apply?

I agree with the overall conclusion of the math, but the process seems a bit strange to me... It feels very similar to a thought experiment, giving specific values to the stats when it would be far neater to prove it in general for any base stats, any percentage stat modifiers, and even for any iconic upgrade base stat modifiers. With that in mind, the conclusion reached with that adjustment considered, is that you should apply an iconic upgrade to equipment such that the ratio of base stat added from iconic upgrade to base stat is maximised. This means that any talented pieces of equipment take priority, but otherwise the difference isn't significant... Additionally, this relies on the formula which is in the link in the post being correct, which even they do point out that their formula only holds for small armies of around less than 100k troops. Therefore, despite appreciating theorettical arguments, even I am forced to concede that testing in a controlled environment is need to definitevely discuss what is really the case!

I only have Ring and Horn as far as legendary stuff goes. So wasn't a tough call..

Chisgule im a rok player do u like war and order better than rok? I dont have time to play both

Why its show leadership stat on your iconic horn?

Thanks chis 👍

I don't think this iconic crystals would be equal for garrison and rallies is simply because Garrison can use all troops type while rally whill almost always be single troop type now that means something like nevsky get's 6% health for cavs from 2 accesories for cavs while garrison with yss get's 6% cav health , 6% inf health , 6% archer health so 18% health overall thus making garrisons alot lot !!! Stronger once u include all the other gear aswell

Your discord link can’t be register. Fix on it please

I am on KVK2, and I was lucky to forge my 1st ever legendary equip - and it already unlocked the talent! (cava gauntlet) I was excited to put the iconic buff in it, and see powerful I would become... sigh Now imagine my face and disappointment to realize that after buying the gem, and turning the gauntlet into iconic, and making the test before and after forging - my battle with the a lv 35 barb was WORST with the iconic buff! I was so confused, because I was expecting little change - but at least SOME improvement. Not "nothing", nor anything you can attribute to luck coming from skill/talents. Result: 20.000.000 gold in the garbage.

love it! new cool mechanics to entretain us, does not throw the game off valance! this is the kind of game systems that make me love RoK.

I don't fret the numbers of the iconics. What bothers me is it is pressuring me to commit to something lol

So in conclusion iconic defense first ✊

Thanks for the video.U r the best.

math makes my brain hurt

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Dude i have been just about playing about 140 days all your Commanders are pffffffft 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 P.S. can you do new vid for Newbies like me. LOL

This game used to be much more fun...

You almost said smashing your enemies at the end... About the iconics, you never know what the game will look like in 6 months, if we will get more crystals, lots of crystals, or some crystals, or attack focused commanders etc etc, so just live the moment and wait for your next pass 4 to use your iconics.....

its funny how so many people cry about this update is for whales or spenders when its actually not that case whales can have 1 strong march yes but they very likely to be used for rally/garrison. which allows your single march has a better chance in field fights against those whales other marches. whats so bad about this? your real nightmare starts if they will actually introduce t6+ troops. this iconic update is clearly being nice af to f2p already. and just face it, the gap between us normal players and whales will ALWAYS be huge, and will get larger as the time goes on since they are continuously spending whereas we playing it for almost free/minimal spending.

All whales have specialized equipment. And iconic gives +1 for specialized. Plus a lot of gold needed. How's it gonna reduce the gap? 🤨

You contradict yourself mate. You say that cav sets give a lot of health so they should use iconics for base attack, but if the equipment gives a lot of bonus health it is in that case very strong to use health iconics because they give the base stats a boost resulting in the health equipment carrying a greater effect.

It isn't the worst addition to the game, but being that the highest spenders normally have the better gear (or more opportunities overall to special talent) this is just another means to push some ahead of others. The crystals will just be held in storage until a legendary gear piece is special talented, and as someone with 23 pieces of legendary gear with 0 special talents, its a pointless addition...unless materials are going to become easier to obtain, and special talenting is going to be reworked again in a way that actually benefits someone not spending, this just continues the trend of making the most powerful, more powerful.

It should had been 227 since it is 226.6%

War and order looks exactly like Mafia. :-/

~Apple~

Oh man, just show us how to use them l.

I like the iconic system. It really good for f2p and low spender too. Iam a mid-high spender and like the update actually.

I think you should spend time as a non whale in a c or d seed kingdom... you'll find alot of battles happening with not everything maxed and top of the line. Those kds could use some advice on how to be cheeky with what they have.. in otherwords don't base all rally/garrison advice on the assumption that everyone in every kingdom is doing it with all maxed everything 😁(even tho we all know in a perfect world they should)

Why? Improve legendary equipment and increase spending with equipment

In short, Iconic being added so whales are happier at the game and stick to it while f2p still having way more trouble.

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I see many famous players quitting the game for reasons of the company's modernization and greed

For p2w

War and Order looks bad. Really bad. 1/4 of the Display is to buy different packs premium currency.

The analysis doesnt account for diminishing returns because it can’t - We need testing to asses the actual extent of diminishing returns. If iconic gives you 20 attack and 10 health, and diminishing returns are a thing, analysis has to account for the fact that the difference between 500 and 520 attack is LESS meaningful than the difference between 300 and 320 attack, and so would be even less meaningful than the difference between 240 and 250 health.