The Irish poor ate potatoes because that was all they could grow and eat in sufficient quantity on the little land they had or could rent. Apart from the poor who mainly died or emigrated, there were plenty other Irish who survived, most of whom played a role in the economy that the British government prioritised over everything, including exporting that food to Britain. That's why few Irish families here now have family stories of the famine. A touch of survivor-guilt I suspect.

Yes, that was where their calories came from

​​@@user-pr1xm9nv6f The Irish People did not just eat potatoes. They also had crops of Carrots, Onions, Cabbage, Leeks, Turnips, wheat barley corn, apples, pears, many berry varieties. Pork, beef, lamb but it was taken off them. Yes the potatoes went rotten/blighty. but they went rotten in other countries too There is Catholic and Church of Ireland Church's all over Ireland. The Irish people were persecuted for 800 years, and their landlords kicked them out of their homes. Also as many Irish went to England and survived. Millions of Irish people in Scotland, England, Wales.

@@katieMarie2022 The Irish People? Defiition, please? did not just eat potatoes. They also had crops of Carrots, Onions, Cabbage, Leeks, Turnips, wheat barley corn, apples, pears, many berry varieties. Really? References, please?

​@@daintree98Go to the British and ask what happened to the food that was left with only potatoes to eat which went blighty. Why ships full of produce were left in Cork Harbour for around six weeks rotting. Go over to Aintree Racecourse and take your blankets off.

I'm sure he said bad things about the British not white people per se. It was only the British that discriminated against the Irish because Ireland was controlled by Britain and they wanted to keep the population powerless but the Irish kept rebelling against British rule. During the 1700s Irish men from the Jacobite Army had to flee Ireland after the end of the Williamite War in Ireland. But Irish soldiers have left Ireland in the 16th, 17th and 18th Centuries. These soldiers were welcomed in other European armies with the biggest amount going to France but they also served in Spain, Italy, Austria, Poland and Sweden. Some even went to Russia. A descendant of these "Wild Geese" (this is what the Irish soldiers that left Ireland were called) became President of France Patrice de MacMahon in 1873. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrice_de_MacMahon

@@jackieblue1267, yeah, that's true he did say "the British", lol. But l also heard him saying bad things about white Americans. I love him so much. I remembered when I turned 14 years old he took me to the store and bought a Guinness beer and said," Here! You are now a man". My mom was angry with him for doing that.

@@ianbynoe6515 He sounds like a good person. Glad you had him in your life.

Piggybacking just to say Noel Ignatiev quoted at the outset was a raging genocidal lunatic against whites, and he was allowed to remain at Harvard and have all kinds of respect as a quackademic. Make of that what you will.

Good example

They had signs like that in New Orleans, Louisiana too.

When were these signs in England ? When did the signs disappear ?

@@davidpryle3935 Post WW2 I believe, and then in the late 1960s the earliest anti discrimination laws were passed.

@@clairecooke6268 Yeah, the reason I asked was, because there is considerable doubt about that actual sign, “no blacks no dogs no Irish”. The only photograph of it, is held by a university in London, and is suspected of being mocked up Irish activists for an Irish festival in London in the 1980s, who seen a chance to graft their cause onto the undoubted, documented, discrimination suffered by West Indians in post war England. They certainly were successful, as that particular “phrase” has become almost completely accepted as fact. That’s not to say of course, that there weren’t anti Irish signs about the place, before the race discrimination laws, as people years ago could be very prejudiced, and not shy about showing it. For example, in the Earlscourt district of London, once famous for it’s many boarding houses, many of the guest houses would have signs in the windows saying “No Australians”. The Aussies had a bit of a reputation, for late night partying.

@@clairecooke6268 Sorry Claire, that should read, mocked up BY Irish activists.

Thank you for being here, please chime in more I'd love to hear your thoughts on these topics

Funny that both Italy and Ireland were predominantly catholic at that time (and still kinda are to this day) She mentioned the kkk as I’m writing this, glad she mentioned the catholic hate (also still going on today)

​@@nytnA debt of gratitude for posting this...a native of Limavady now an adopted son of Birkenhead, been mistaken for a visiting Rabbi in Harvard yard , a Jordanian by som Fire and rescue staff, an Iraqi thought I was a compatriot...appearances can be deceptive...😅😅...E...

​@caroline8785The Trevelyan family have acknowledged this...the Cherokee nation made a food donation to my forebears in County Donegal....E...

Maurice Vojta Czech Republic made black in America is my nephew , my Grandpa Robert Vojta WW1 revolution lord made all the deals with America before the war started feel real sorry for the native American's yet the Irish made slaves seven years before ok to be American -- there is a group of innocent hear , like African American can not be entrapped to be vaccinated by mandates.

Wow. They were probably amongst the very first Irish to arrive in the new world.

@@adammartin7007 The Irish were in America from the beginning.

@john patrick The beginning is subjective based on whether you speak to a European or the indigenous.

You spelled slaves wrong.

The Irish were the first slaves in America brought by the British. They built so much towns, etc, long before they sta​rted bringing other cultures like Italians or Africans. What gets me is, this was how the world ran for hundreds of thousands of years. No country in this world did not suffer from slavery at some point. Some people like the Irish fought hard to get their freedom and sovereignty. But the Irish helped build America a lot had no choice, but eventually they helped shape America as it is today and their offspring continues to do so. However, after the blacks were free, the Irish never got that same freedom and were still treated badly for a long time after that. Including discrimination over work and not being able to apply for a lot of work. So I would love for people to stop saying white privilege, because my ancestors suffered greatly throughout history and we don't cry about it or claim reparations. We focus on the life we live and have now, not the past. @@adammartin7007

Thank you so much for this fix! I am still new to my Irish side, and it's like learning a new language.

" by the English " the first migration was pushed by Scottish King 👑 of Scotland and England, Nd you blame regular English ppl?

I tell my British-Canadian husband there is no such thing as Scotch-Irish. Those are just Scottish people in Northern Ireland or UlsterScotts. Irish are Catholic and UlsterScotts are Presbyterian.

​@NYTN Belfast woman here , he's right and I know some of your ancesters and family here in Belfast as the Donellys are still in Belfast to this day

@@kathleenoconnell1635 I don't totally disagree with you, but there are the native Irish, nearly all Catholic in Ulster, but there are Presbyterians and Church of Ireland (Anglican) as well. During the time of Elizabeth I the counties of Antrim and Down are privately planted, basically people are brought in, mainly by landowners whose land had been taken from the Irish and given to supporters of the crown, to basically colonize the land in a hope that they would outnumber the native Irish Catholic population whose land of had previously been. A second wave and what I think is generally called the Plantation of Ulster, the province of Ireland that covers most of the North of Ireland, was done by James I was a response to raids by some troublesome Scottish lowlanders, reevers, who would raid across the border into England but retreat back into the separate jurisdiction of Scotland to avoid capture. His solution was plant them in Ulster where land had already by made forfeit and handed to English landowners after the Nine Years War and the subsequent Flight of the Earls. This was in the remaining counties of Ulster, Armagh, Tyrone, Fermanagh, and Derry/Londonderry, as well as the Ulster countries now part of the Republic, Cavan, Monaghan, and Donegal. One final thing I would add is there are a number of invasions of Ireland, one by the Normans after they had won control of England, but even though they considered large parts of the country over time they became self ruling of their territories, inherited local traditions, and it is said became more Irish than the Irish themselves. So it is complex. Having looked into my own family history and extensively it is a very complex history and it is easy to generalise. Depending on where people are situated they in some parts became more Anglicised, especially in the part of the country called The Pale (where the saying beyond the pale comes from), whereas ironically Ulster, much of which is still part of the UK, was the most Irish part of the country, and the last to fall.

That's how I feel as well!

As (you being) a Italian/Irish American, I want to see photos. It sounds like you'd be a delight to gaze upon.

Thank you, Kevin! I’m still reconnecting to the Irish side. I got a lot of Irish communities on ancestry

​@@nytnThe church records of all Faith's in Ireland and England are worth a go...

Identify as Irish Catholic or identify a fiction you like, like to harm others with, etc.?

The Irish in the island of Ireland would call you Canadian.

​@@nytnhave you heard of the genocide that took place in Ireland committed by St. Patrick?

I spent a lot of time tracing my enslaved african ancestors, Id love to share that with you, too! kzfaq.info/sun/PLvzaW1c7S5hQxDnyRTah5wYRX9b4FSrqR

About 20 generations (about 400 years), ago we each have about a million ancestors. How about over 30 generations? Going back to the High Middle Ages, we have roughly a billion ancestors. I mention this because society today is hung up on separating each other by racíal classifications. Yet, those classifications are a result of a pseudoscience from the 1800s and haven’t always existed. Our history is all of our history and our race is one human race. If we think about those numbers I gave, it puts a new perspective on “ancestry” and should make us realize how important family today is… The family we have now and not just the billions of people We are related to from the past.

@@GhostSal I agree, these binary groups are creating so much division that in many ways, is made up.

Brother, I am Russian. Russians are ever the white barbaric ape to these anglo bastards.

@@GhostSal you can’t compare history of thousands of years ago to history under 5 centuries ago. culture and society evolves more quickly as we progress and so does the idea of heritage. america is unique in that it’s trying to force upon this new consensus of a perfect community without acknowledging everyone’s individuality

Yup my great grandma came from Ireland said the same thing one of the first things noticed were signs "Help wanted Irish need not apply"

My Great grandfather immigrated from Bavaria, Germany and didn’t like the Irish or English. My Other Great Grandpa was from Scotland and got along with most people, from what I’ve been told.

Where all Americans now 🤟🏻 Man, I love this country. ❤🇺🇸

Should've immigrated to Mexico

@@bucktooth002 I’m in California occupied Mexico

Yet all these European welcomed their admission to ‘whiteness’ with open arms. In fact you all identity as American whites today instead of working to dismantle it.

Actually, those signs didn’t usually list all the ethnic groups together like that. In Northern states it would list usually just one or two and say something like “No Irish” and “No Italians”. Sometimes they would hire everyone but pay would differ by race. So Northern states tended to put Italians and Irish at the very bottom with the lowest pay (everyone else would be higher, including błack people). Who was treated the worst really depended on where you lived and wasn’t just one race or ethníc group all across the country. Also, they did differentiate between Northern Italians and Southern Italians. They accepted the Northern Italians but discriminated against Southern Italians (especially Sicilians). This actually has roots back to different lineages in Italy, with the North related to Germanic/Celtic tribes and the South direct ancestors of the Latin/Italic tribes. Far too many people, even with Italian ancestry, deny the discriminatíon we faced… But we most certainly did and weren’t welcomed with open arms or seen as “whíte”. Even in my lifetime, I was chased out of all whíte neighborhoods with racíal slurs yelled at me (wøp, sp*c, NwordWop…). At school I had several confrontations with the whīte kíds and black kíds that used slurs against Italians. It’s only the Hispanic students I never had any racíal issues with and was accepted openly by them. If you consider that Spanish and Italian both have Latin roots, this isn’t that surprising actually. It only seems that way with a lens of today, thinking Italians were always “whíte”.

Yea it always baffled me, who are the whites that are pure? Former British haha rednecks? I'm so confused everyone who wasn't originally American was considered non white and cast out, it was so weird even the Germans were considered non white or traitors by the American population, racism makes no sense if you analyze it with a perspective that's transparent.

The Irish took police and firemen jobs, dangerous and low pay, long hours..... The Italians took to corruption, aka Mafia. To this day, in the northeast, there are still "families".

@@GhostSal I worked in the schools in Madison WI in the early 2000's. One of my students was from Mexico. He worked at a restaurant and said while all of the US workers got breaks, the immigrants never did.

There was no payback in 800 ad to learn how to read and write beyond signing your name.The Printing Press needed to be invented first, around 1450 to make it worth ppls while to produce lots of paper. Books were way too expensive for the masses to own any so I totally dispute that beyond the elite crowd, reading and writing wasn't worth the rest of ppl's time. What most ppl don't realize was that the Catholics had a monopoly on Bibles and interpretation because there were very few books which made them very expensive

@ailinofaolin8897 referring to the pagan faith and runic alphabet as UNCIVILIZED is one of the most elitist things and intolerant things I would expect from a Christian. Your faith did not make you or them more civilized, as evidenced by your 'troubles' and the English colonization, famines and genocides done for hundreds of years

Real education the raw truth of education not that waterd down system of education ms.jannis lewis

Thank you for understanding my perspective. I love America and I want her to keep getting better. So glad to have your support

I believe too much blame is on white supremacy. I would say elitists in power and identity politics is harmful. Hate comes from the segregation of any group - white, brown, black... people are individuals who should be noted for their character and actions as Martin Luther king preached. Character not color, not sexual orientation, not grouping people by labels, which seems to have political agenda. There is good and evil in every walk of life. And thankfully there are far more kind, good people on the world.

@@maryk8563 The blame is where it belongs, there is only one goal of white supremacy. To elevate "white" over everyone else. And that idea of "identity politics" that is a red flag for many of us whose whole identity is constantly politicized, criminalized and trivialized by an unjust system. It should be clear how toxic the very idea of declaring any one demographic supreme is. But those who benefit from the illusion of power often refuse to acknowledge the damage it does to our society.

These things sound cute and nice, but ask the people in Rosewood, Florida, the people, the Colfax Louisiana massacre, the Wilmington NC massacre, and the Atlanta massacre1906-The Elaine Arkansas massacre 1919. I could continue, but I won't. In all these massacres, whites acted in concert with each other. So spare me the nonsense. I love history, but I love truth. "A half truth is a whole lie."

​@@maryk8563 Yes!!! It was like 1 to 2% of people that even had slaves... Sounds familiar... Kinda just like how the 1% rules the rest of us today.... hmmm

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The pamphlet from The library of congress that I shared called Irish “originally of a colored race” etc. obviously, it’s all ridiculous

@@nytn Yeah, hateful people will say anything. Irish immigrants had white skin and European features. They were always white in American society. They were oppressed for the other reasons you outlined in the video. And the people who oppressed them were mainly Republicans, who were anti-slavery but also anti-immigrant. That's why so many Irish were pro-Democrat during the civil war.

The issue is you are defining “race” through a lens of today. That’s is absolutely not how it was viewed back then and nor was it thought of the same throughout history. I don’t disagree that systemic racism is historically real, nor do I make the argument oppression never existed. However, your argument of a shade of “whíte” is essentially the concept of “white privilege”. However, that doesn’t accurately describe the events of the past or take into account diversity of cultures within what we now call “white”. A better and more accurate concept to describe systemíc ínjustice, is simply to say “oppression”. Why? Because throughout history and across the globe, ruling elites and/or majority populations have oppressed the minority population and/or the poor. Also, many of the Irish were førced or trícked into indentured servítude. They were beaten, their wømen rap3d and at times their chīldren sold. Many were førced into service flor life or kílled well before their contracts ended (about 60% never lived to see freedom). Also, they were subjocated by the Britísh for centuries and at one time had half their populatíon wiped out.

@@GhostSal we are talking about their experience strictly in the US, not in other areas. Also what would the Irish choose on census records when it says state race? I've researched my genealogy and I have a lot of family from the Boston area so I would see many people who were listed from Ireland on those records. The Irish chose white as their race which is my point. They didn't choose Black or Mulatto. I think you mistook my point because I'm not trying to say that they didn't face discrimination because they did. My point is many people(even in the comments) like to compare the Irish experience to the Black experience and they don't compare. 2 very different experiences. It's a very common thing for when someone is speaking about slavery for a person to say "but the Irish were slaves too." It's something said to try to diminish what the Black experience was and all I'm saying is the title attracts those types of people. I hope they listen to what shes actually saying verses just validating their false narrative by reading the title.

@@mickey10jb80 When people say the Ìrish were słaves too, they aren’t trying to diminish the suffering of others. They are telling the truth, índentured śervants on paper were nothing like słaves but in practice they absolutely were (not all but many, like I said 60% never líved to see the end of their contracts and many were also forced into it). Also, if anything it’s often błack people in the US that try and say they suffered more than anyone else and by doing diminish the suffering of others. Słavery existed for tens of thousands of years and not hundreds. Chatteł słavery did in fact exist in other places and in some places there were no descendants because the słaves were castratèd. In some places słaves were tørtured, mass sacrifíces and cannïbalized… This idea that one group suffered more than another other is ridicułous, far too many have suffered and their suffering also shouldn’t be diminished.

@@GhostSal yes they too are trying to diminish the Black experience because it's always said when talking about Black experience. The cruelness of chattel slavery and the number of slaves in America is a different experience than what the Irish endured. I don't have to debate it. The information is widely available. You can easily look it up using many sources. From a Google search to scholarly articles, the information is our there

@@mickey10jb80 The information is out there and you should read it. Not just from biased sources but many different sources and no the people that say that aren’t trying to diminish anyone else’s suffering. That is precisely what some błack north Amerícans do when they claim they suffered more than anyone else.

Bless you ( beannacht leat )

Slainte...

A pity the Irish did not keep the language as somany went to the US country with no language no heart as Welsh we kept our language all though oprest not to speak .

This is awesome, I hope you chime in more. Thanks for being here!

@NYTN Yes I absolutely will. Thank you.

​@@nytnBe careful what you wish for....😅😅😅..us Irish are a garrulous lot....E....

I live in a town with a mass grave a few miles down the road, the old Balrothery Union, only a sliver of the workhouse buildings remain, across the road, the grave. Orphan girls from Gorta Mór time were rounded up from here and surrounding areas, destination Australia

@@siogbeagbideach thanks for the info. I can't remember exactly where in Australia or Ireland that Mandy visited. Gorta Mor - was that the potato famine?

Who gets to count as American? It still comes down to who looks white…..

@kitty_s23456 yes, translates to Great Hunger

@@siogbeagbideach thanks for the info!

I know, if Irish isn't white, "white" doesnt mean what people THINK it means. I wish we would stop using terms like white/black exclusively. I had meant to include JFK in this video, thank you for mentioning him. First Catholic president and look what happened to him🙃

​@@nytn oh yes well I believe he also was about to implement Universal Healthcare in the U.S.- in fact before he was shot, he made this speech saying "we shall continue as long as we have the opportunity to do so." *gunshot*☠💥 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Z5pxZN2pxq7UdGw.html

It's the same with all Catholics. Must be nice to commit sins and just confess to some anonymous person and everything is new again.

@@TropicoDreams Well, you want forgiveness in this world or you dont want forgiveness in this world. I know what I think is best.

Because people are using white the same way as social class and not as a racial category. The Irish were always legally white in the US but were discriminated against which is a crossover from colonialism and what happened in Ireland under British rule. They are using being accepted as mainstream American as becoming "white" while ignoring the racial aspects. Of course it was easier for the Irish to become socially accepted after a few generation because they did not have the restrictions placeD on them that someone from China did or an African-American had. Even in the 1960s Northern Irish Catholics were treated as second class citizens in Northern Ireland which is how the whole Troubles started however they weren't a separate race to Northern Irish Protestants. So this whole topic conflates social class with race which is a bit dishonest and trying to compare European groups with what happened with African-Americans when African-Americans were treated far worse as they had slavery and also long-term discrimination because they could not blend in to the mainstream American population as easily as European groups.

I knew about the Choctaw, but not the first part. thank you so much for adding to this

Yea, the famine was deliberately caused and exactly why I don't want some Banker family in Amsterdam making decisions for the US in some NWO the elites want

Wow, thank you! ☺

Wow this made my day 😭 thanks so much

Thissss,this needs to be addressed

The irony, right?

Knowing the history I look at the recent US Supreme Court justices Roberts, Thomas, Kavanaugh, Alito, Scalia all staunchly conservative who espouse views of the people who had their boots on these justice’s ancestors necks. Seems to me if you wear the cloth of "Whiteness" you are attempting to legitimize what had been done to your own people. These justices are turncoat traitors who trample on the bones of this ancestors. Scalia was a particularly rabid justice who spoke so proudly of his Italian heritage yet did all he could to stomp on the aspirations of others who suffered from racial discrimination. He was the archetype of a self-hating Italian. On the other hand, look at Justice Hugo Black, who at one time was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, who went on to become one of the more liberal justices. Forget the party labels, conservative and liberal philosophies have been relatively consistent over the last 2 centuries. When have conservatives championed liberties for women, racial minorities or any other group other than white males?

Somehow you don’t have African ancestry though, but you have all of those others….In Louisiana..😑 Most people who think they have Native American ancestry who are primarily European usually have African ancestry. Most Blacks Americans who think they have Native American ancestry usually have European. Usually someone lied on both sides.

@King Of HeArts👑 yes, I was surprised by that as well...I did the test when it first became available, I understand the new test are more accurate and should do it again...there ain't no way I don't have some black in me...I'm 68 and have found out enough to know who, what and why I am me...my family was full of lies, what my father's mother revealed was hush hush between us, the fear of the truth being let out the bag frightened her...my mother's family never wanted to talk, come to find out my great grandmother was a Madam in a brothel

​@@kingofhearts1072 I am from Nola. I am a pure blooded American mutt. I have African ancestors though I identify as "White" despite legally being black because of the one drop rule. Last held up in court in 1982 in Louisiana. Erin Go Bragh

This was not a war between races, but a conflict between two different human groups with different culture: the first (english) a mix of germanic and celtic against a second (irish) that was celtic. Race had nothing to do with it, and religion was also an excuse. It has to do with control over the land and the wealth that can come from it

@Giorgio Di Francesco are you familiar with the neutral grounds in the city of New Orleans...it was where two different cultures or races would meet, knowing it was a neutral ground and no harm would fall on anyone...of course you understood where that term came from? New Orleans in the beginning was French and Spanish. English, German, and the rest came long after the city was established, and they settled on the outskirts to the city known as New Orleans. You know about the Louisiana purchase from France when America won its freedom from England...getting too deep into history is important. The French from France known as creole, look up the meaning of the word, acknowledged their black offspring. The French booted out from Canada, are your Cajuns who did not claim their black offspring.

Thank you, Mike. I hope to delve more into my Irish side soon!

Thank you so much

I have the same experience with my mom and Slovak ancestry. Her parents didn't teach it to her.I grew up knowing more about the f'ckin english royalty than the villages my mom's folks came from.

I see many Irish identifying with Vikings and English and the Wasps in USA, historically conquering or discriminating races of the Catholic Irish Celts. Strange.

The establishment are the J*ws

Thank you so much!

a good point, there is more nuance to this for sure

Irish people have always been Roman Catholic, since the time of St Patrick

Strange that as Patrick was part of the Celtic Church and not Roman

Ireland doesn’t come under the rule of Rome until after the synod of Whitby.

Maewyn Succat was only renamed Saint Patrick many years after his death because Rome didn’t recognise the Celtic Church and said it had no Patriarch ( Patrick ) in actual fact his name was used as a figurehead but other bishops of Ireland did a lot more for Christianity than Patrick. Saint Colomba was probably the most influential.

i think you might enjoy reading'' wilderness empire'' by allen ekert. a long book but it talks about how a endentured irishman became wealthy long before the usa became a country,

Catholics were burned at the stake in England too during the reigns of Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. Monasteries were destroyed and priests killed. Even today in England houses from that period have priests holes. If you denounced that the host represented the body of Christ you were burnt at the stake. What’s happening today is no different. If you say a transman is not a woman etc you will be cancelled and financially ruined. English people were also enslaved by the Barbary pirates an entire Cornish town was take but we never hear about this and it’s not taught in schools.

and scary!

My Nana's Uncle went to jail for speaking Irish. There is a book about him called, On the Run. My Nana ended up with Alzheimers, amazingly, she went back to speaking Irish. We only knew a little. Mostly swears and prayers.

"we had not been considered white enough until we were NEEDED TO SUJUGATE OTHER ethnic groups." Such an important statement.

What province did you're gg grandmother live

I'm intrigued that you claim green eyes are Irish. Anyway I've got those. Its seemed central to my self identity all my life for some weird reason. Maybe our next races will be by eye color? Why not. Ursula K Leguin did this. In City of Illusions she had a lost man of a race that looked like everyone else. Except he had yellow eyes. They treated him badly because his eye color unnerved them.

@@c.rutherford I’d say that eye color shouldn’t be the next racial line bc like y’all, I’ve got green eyes; we make up 2% of the population, fellas. We’re getting annihilated lmao.

@@bendover9813 I'm technically 'hazel' green so I could help us bridge an alliance w/the brown eyes. We need it! And reparations checks would be nice. As a small minority our people have suffered. $10K apiece would be a good start. Also there's a subliminal tape by Mindvellous I saw online "Get Hazel Eyes Fast". OMG it was fast 🥂

Nah they are def not brown, now that I see em. I don't care what they say online... I can't do covert/spy work. They will pick me off asap lol

Thanks for your series of videos. They make me wonder why the British colonist were so anti Others. Did it have anything to do with their origins or their own criminal past??? Really wish someone could explain that too.

Yes I agree, I thought it was implied by the Cambridge professor’s term “white chimpanzee”. They’re white but even white doesn’t count for white… and around and around…

I don’t think the census is a good gauge to use in determining who was and wasn’t “whíte”. It’s changed many times over the years and people from Mexico were first labeled “whíte”, then not and today some self identify as “whíte”. Another reason that it isn’t a good gauge to use is because at times ímmigration was limited and they focused on accepting a majority of “whíte” ímmigrants. Which means people had an incentive to say they are “whíte” or be labeled that way even when they weren’t. It’s also a meaningless classification, especially if they are still going to díscriminate heavily against you. People really misunderstand discriminatíon, who was treated the worst varied by era and which part of the country.

@@GhostSal Well if you don't trust the Census how about this from an article in the Washington Post. "Here are some objective tests as to whether a group was historically considered “white” in the United States: Were members of the group allowed to go to “whites-only” schools in the South, or otherwise partake of the advantages that accrued to whites under Jim Crow? Were they ever segregated in schools by law, anywhere in the United States, such that “whites” went to one school, and the group in question was relegated to another? When laws banned interracial marriage in many states (not just in the South), if a white Anglo-Saxon wanted to marry a member of the group, would that have been against the law? Some labor unions restricted their membership to whites. Did such unions exclude members of the group in question? Were members of the group ever entirely excluded from being able to immigrate to the United States, or face special bans or restrictions in becoming citizens? If you use such objective tests, you find that Irish, Jews, Italians and other white ethnics were indeed considered white by law and by custom (as in the case of labor unions). Indeed, some lighter-skinned African Americans of mixed heritage “passed” as white by claiming they were of Arab descent and that explained their relative swarthiness, showing that Arab Americans, another group whose “whiteness” has been questioned, were considered white. By contrast, persons of African, Asian, Mexican and Native American descent faced various degrees of exclusion from public schools and labor unions, bans on marriage and direct restrictions on immigration and citizenship."

Also were Protestant Irish considered a different race than Catholic Irish? And no not all Protestant Irish were Scots-Irish either. Even in the UK Irish were Celts i.e. the same category as Scots and Welsh. Irish discrimination was about their Catholicism. For example families that changed their religion from Catholicism to Church of Ireland could keep their land.

It was more about religion. Pushing the church of England and ousting anything rcc. Not racial. Not thThT church was about christ but authority of the kings. Who were Pushing Saxon not original settlers of England. It's always about politics v religion. So an antichrist system tends to push a combination of both. Goal being global eventually.

I happened to visit Ireland ,north, doing a job at a time when I should have been hated and picked upon by the inhabitants. In contrast to my expectations, I was treated like royalty by those I came in close contact with. There was also a close relationship between Caribbean people and Irish people in my line of work.

​@@bridgetown45In Kilburn,North London Irish and Caribbean folk mixed freely, my sis RIP lived there for many happy years...best wishes from the wirral peninsula,bounded by the mersey and the Dee and the Irish sea...geography and rhyme...native of Limavady now an adopted son of Birkenhead..E

Pretty much all of us are multi racial

There were local crop failures in Ireland through the 1840s. The island-wide famine occurred in 1849. The famine caused a halving of the population of Ireland, from 8 to 4 million, starvation or immigration. "The English" were not to blame. The dynamics of the crop failure, potato blight, were not understood. The "welfare state" responsible for the well-being of the citizens, did not yet exist. For an understanding of how "the English" lived in 1850, read or watch Charles Dickens "A Christmas Carol." The draft riots in New York during the Civil War, were a response to the following: anyone with $8.00 could buy an exemption from the draft. Blacks were exempt from the draft. That left poor Irish, with barely ten years in to country, to feed the meat grinder. Wives and children were left behind to fend for themselves. Blacks and Irish lived in the same poor areas. Desperate, left-behind wives were preyed on by black men, or so it was believed. My Famine Irish ancestors lived in Pennsylvania during the Civil War. When I visit the Civil War era cemeteries, at Gettysburg and Vicksburg, I am sickened by the high proportion of Irish names on the "Pennsylvania" monuments.

@@jonlenihan4798 I'm pretty sure I would have been a Copperhead back in the day myself, but the newly immigrated Irish were expected to send their men to war just as the families who have been here a while would have. I could understand bad feeling about this for those newly-arrived to the US. Some of these unfair exemptions to conscription you cited continued through the Vietnam War (as the song goes, I ain't no Senator's son...). IMO that is a separate argument from how well or poorly the Irish were treated here. That is a class, not race/culture thing yk? I think the whole not drafting black people during the Civil War was bluntly more about not trusting them enough to give them deadly weapons than about protecting them or being kind. Notice that toward the end of the war there were "US Colored Troops" though. I have a great-granduncle who actually served as a Colonel in these troops in Louisiana. He was white. :)

@@JaneAtwellRobinson1825NY The Civil War was the worst conflict in US history, with 750,000 dead out of a total US population of 33 million. World War 2, the next-worst conflict incurred 400,000 deaths out of a total US population of 132 million. Being drafted in 1860 was no small matter. Likely that the Irish of 1860 felt like they had no dog in the fight.

Did you know England continued to ship tens of thousands of Irish slaves for more than a century. Records state that, after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia. There were horrible abuses of both African and Irish captives. One British ship even dumped 1,302 slaves into the Atlantic Ocean so that the crew would have plenty of food to eat.

@@IAMABUNDANT888 Did you know that the so-called "Irish slaves' were actually Indentured servants? There were plenty of similarities between the two forms of labor, but there were PLENTY of differences...

@AD Powell The more I find out the more astounded I am. So much for the inscription on the Statue of Liberty.

It sounds like the Irish had some legally mandated discrimination in the beginning but that changed.

Arabs were labeled as white on US census records though....

@bastiat4855 It was terrible but it wasn't slavery according to many historians.

@bastiat4855 I am talking about actual historians not KZfaq commentators.

Your post is nonsense pseudo history. The Irish were never slaves in America, they were indentured servants, as were many other European nationalities.

@@davidpryle3935 Hello David. The English government used various terms such as rogues, vagabonds, rebels, neutrals, felons, military prisoners, teachers, priests, maidens, etc., to refer to the Irish people they sought to transport. Nevertheless, historians consistently describe them as servants, bondsman, indentured servants, and SLAVES, collectively recognizing them as political victims. The historical truth reveals that the majority of these individuals were subjected to slave-like treatment. After England confiscated their lands, forcing them to leave their ancestral homes and survive by foraging for roots like animals, they faced a dire fate. Kidnapped, herded like cattle, and forcibly placed on waiting ships, they were transported to English colonies in America, forever torn from their homeland. This heart-wrenching episode is often referred to as the "Irish Slave Trade," leaving these unfortunate souls as its victims.

@@IAMABUNDANT888 I’m well aware of what the English government done in Ireland. I’m also aware that over 70 leading accredited academics from Ireland, Britain, and North America, released a letter debunking this Irish slavery myth, and the conflating of indentured servitude with Slavery. Their letter also discusses the very dubious advocates of this Irish slavery myth. It’s easy found, just google Irish slavery myth.

​Your demented if you can't see that anyone who came into a slavers hands was doomed your race-baiting somehow seems to be based on terms such as indentured ...a term coming from vile slavers and to diminish the sorrowful treatment of anyone under them is sad that's you...Sad.

Prolly cuz them Irish Boys love the sistas.

Seneca Village is one example of Irish and black people living side by side

Yeh rape

I would question the idea of embarrassment and think more along the line of painful memories, we are a proud people.

Everyone colonized the philipines at one time or another plus it can not be that difficult for them to come in country they are everywhere in medical field they have no quota like the irish on visas

Yes that'd be good. Small correction though, Filipinos aren't Pacific Islanders.

Here in our creaking but still functioning NHS in the UK are blessed to have staff from the Philippines...😊😊

Philippines is still colonized today. Lol

When my grandfather came over from the Philippines in the 1920's to study art ( he ran away from a Seminary) he ended up picking vegetables in the Central valley and they had signs on the restaurants saying "no dogs or Filipinos". He did become an artist! On my mother's side I am Irish ( Malone) so I'm sure those anscestors experienced similar discrimination.

You are so kind, this really meant a lot to me

Scots Irish were often Englis speaking, protestant, and descended from English or Lowland Scots. They were a big part of the persecuting class on the Irish Catholics. Ethnically and culturally they weren't Irish.

Scots Irish ..were either English or Scottish sent to Ireland as planters ,evicting natives from homes and land and enforcing British rule.........They were the oppressors ,the outsiders English not Irish.

@@tomasbyrom3954 "Scots-Irish" is an American invention - so as to write the Irish out of American history. The reality is that they were Irish - from all over Ireland.

thank you for being on the journey with me. I am so proud of what our ancestors did

@Andy DeJoseph I’ve never heard that term in my family. Some ancestors came from Ireland, some came from Scotland (and other countries) but nobody has ever used the term Scots-Irish.

@Andy DeJoseph Seems stupid today but people will always find another reason not to like new immigrants. Funny how they forget that their own ancestors came from other lands…

Protestant Irish we’re often not considered Irish. They were originally British citizens given land in Ireland to solidify Britains’s colonization of Ireland. That’s why you have Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland and a war between the two that lasted well into the 20th century.

@@towanda1067 So perhaps the last name was English. I’ve never been able to find it as a Irish name.

Your relatives would have been Anglo Irish ...ie English ... They were the ruling class in Ireland given the stolen big houses and farms of the Native Irish ........as a result rich and monied and power......Those whom emigrated mainly went to the Colonies ...many becoming plantation owners within that colony.....and unfortunately with that and along side the working class Scots Irish ...ie English /Scottish ..people thought Irish were slave owners , outliers etc where as in fact they were just repeating the overtaking of owning of the next colony as previously had done in Ireland.

Thats the "Scientific racism" of the British - its the British who are actually Black!, according to their own theory - its THEY who came from Spain, not the Irish. The Irish are Indo-Europeans, the original White Man. See: Son of Manu.

I would love to delve into that. I actually double majored in US history and Russian studies way back when in undergrad.

@@nytn based. Would definitely love a story on this. Before folks criticize minority movements just remember you were just as hated as them not too long ago

@@slavyslav That's the system. Let me know what you think I should cover in that video, It will require a lot more research I think

@@nytn probably the red scare and the association of communism and “mongol barbarity” that the us and Nazi germany associated with Slavs following the Russian revolution , although anti slavism has been a mainstay in america and Western Europe for much longer. It should be noted germany considered them as inferior as Jews during ww2, and communists and soviet citizens were deliberately targeted for being “unstermenche” like the Jews war. As for the US, multiple purges and persecutions against Slavs started and continued in different periods from the late 19th century throughout the Cold War due to multiple red scares and the association of Eastern Europe with communism, Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy (they were also hated from the 1890s-1930ish for not being Protestant and for the same reasons the Irish were hated), and overall uncleanliness and lack of civility, as one article at the time wrote that “a Slav could live in dirt that would kill a white man” Sorry if that’s a lot, it should just give you a general idea of what to study. In short, look up their association with socialism and labor movements, their religious affiliations, and seemingly backwards way of life considering Eastern Europe was third world up until the 1950s

Carrying around crazy sounding last names.

"I can be racist to you, treat you unfairly, discriminate against you, treat you worst than animals but you don’t get to be upset or play victim and it really gets my blood boiling with rage, you don’t want anyone “playing victim” stop being a violent racist disgusting vile pos then there won’t be any need to “play victim” it’s gaslighting at its finest for entitled people with a superiority complex who think they can do whatever they want to people with no pushback or accountability whatsoever and one of the things I absolutely hate about america and Americans, this country heavily perpetuates racism but refuses to admit and take accountability but instead tries to erase it" - who precisely is this directed towards? Sorry but no, white people whom don't know their struggle, whom have been told they can never know their struggle should not be expected to immediately sympathize with someone complaining about privilege. Most white people didn't know what was going on especially in the 60's when the real damage was being done to the black family. Its not white peoples fault that they where not a target of oppression by their government, its not their fault that they didn't stop something from occurring that they where not aware of. They literally pit us against one another with targeted propaganda and media coverage to cast black people in a certain kind of light. Do you think the average American in 1980 new what the section 80 was and how it was so harmful to the black community? Your assumption that anyone who doesn't know any better and expresses it is automatically a "violent, racist and disgusting vile POS" is part of that problem. Maybe its just an honest HUMAN reaction to being incorrectly blamed for an entire communities 400 struggle against oppression. From my own experience most people don't want to erase it, they just don't want to teach our children and future generations that the sins of SOME white people in the past are to be paid by people whom didn't do anything to anyone and probably are not even decedents of American slave owners. While teaching black folks that the most their problems and short comings comes at their expense for a white persons privilege. White folk didn't benefit from the destruction and disfunction of the black family. The federal government and the corporations did. Period. Please get help. Your association with anyone who doesn't agree with you as having a superiority complex only leads to further divide.

sounds like 2 cents

America is the least racist country on Earth and I say this as a European, you live in fantasy la la land. It's easy to virtue signal about problems but do you have any actual solution? Throwing your arms and telling people to "stop being racist" never worked and will never work. Racism is inevitable because at it's core, it's just a form of tribalism.

​@@randomuruk7230 seems like other places discriminate more based on religion or ethnicity vs race, like in America

We can't go back. We have to go forward.

north wanted taioffs against england,republicans were party of protectism not freeing the slaves.

Of course there were more issues than slavery in the Civil War but slavery was a big part of the war. Slavery was a large part of the economy in the South. You can also tell how important slavery was because before the Civil War there had to be a balance of slave states and "free" states and territories admitted to the USA.

@@Catlily5 I agree.I just believe that the final straw was when the Confederate states had voted to secede from the Union.The Federal government could not allow that to happen under any circumstances.The former Union soldiers that befriended my great grandfather often said that if the still growing country had broken apart,it would have devastated the growing US economy because it would have blocked strategic ports for the transport of goods across the nation.It would have stymied the continued Westward expansion.Would two separate nations then cause the powers of the day to take sides? Diluting American sphere of influence in their own backyard.And overall the institution of Slavery did benefit the overall US economy.Not just the South.It was indeed a lucrative enterprise for nearly 250 years.Especially off the duties collected by the federal government off the revenues.Keep in mind also that the last thing Lincoln wanted to do was spill blood over a people who at that time time were not considered fully human.As one Former Union soldier told him.A new conscript once asked his commanding officer,"Shall I then be required to give my life for that of a cow,or a chicken,or pig,or horse?For surely are they not of more value than a slave?".Which is why from the Union point of view,the emphasis had to be put on the PRESERVATION OF THE UNION FIRST AND FOREMOST.There is no doubt that the issue of Slavery had to be dealt with at some point anyway.It was a changing landscape on the global scale as well.Lincoln recognized that the world powers of the day were switching more to predominantly industrial societies with an agriculture mix.Therefore Slavery had served its useful purpose for at least laying the foundation and infrastructure for the growing nation.Acording to both Union Generals and soldiers,not only was Lincoln willing to compromise by allowing the Slavery to remain in the States where it already existed.But to compensate the Plantation owners once the gradual phasing out of the institution of Slavery was to take place.Also Lincoln preferred that peaceful transition because now free slave labor was beginning to encroach upon the Industrial sector within the border states.While at the same time there was an increase of European immigration to the United States.How could European immigrants then compete against Slave labor?But then a CIVIL WAR would just interrupt the economy at a crucial time in the Nation's history.I just believe that our educational curriculum cannot take short cuts when it just says Slavery was the most important issue as to the causes of the CIVIL WAR.And then dismiss other reasons by not explaining it in its entire and proper context.I only say this because up to my parents generation (1929&1930) it was often implied if not spoken that their ancestors were themselves responsible for the CIVIL WAR.And all of the death and the carnage as a result of it.Simply because of being told that it was solely fought to free enslaved people.So in a way an unimaginable guilt trip was laid on a people.And was the reason why so much hatred and resentment upon the newly freed people and their descendants.Not only in the South.But the North as well.Which explains way there was never any attempts on a societal level for truth, reconciliation and healing for a people. Because it was believed that they were the one's responsible.So they deserved nothing.No welcome embrace into a free society.No empathy.