Remember: the Balder Side Sword only drops when you’re not doing a dex build ;)

Looking at the actual drop rates all I can say is: thank Gwyn for the duplication glitch.

Yo it's the really dedicated man who talks in a nice voice and explain math on that one gud game that no one really know anything

Maxing out every weapon is just the sort of unintended completionism I'm here for. Subbed

I didn't feel it warranted a full segment of this video, but amusingly enough there are a few enemies that have all of their drops affected by luck. I think the only 2 are Pinwheel's boss fight, with rate of 33/33/34 for father/mother/child and Kirk's invasion which has 67 for nothing and 33 for the sword and shield (2 checks, similar to the darkwraiths with Dark Hand). I'm pretty sure the game truncates values at some point when it steps through this calculation, and if it does so after dividing the base rate by your discovery, that technically means you have a smaller chance to get the sword or shield at 410 discovery as it rounds to 80/243, or 32.92% instead of 33%. It actually bounces up and down a few hundredths of a percent depending on the rounding, maxing out at 33.07% at 198 discovery (8 humanity). For Pinwheel, it's similar, but at 410 you get 83/243 odds or 34.16% for Mask of the Child. If you want to play around with having maxed out discovery, you'll need to download a debug copy of the game and go into game -> gamerule -> items lottery-related and change the middle variable from 2.0 (i.e., 200 discovery) to 1000 (where it maxes out, go left as you can set it to 0 and then once more will raise it to max). This is also why the ring and helmet don't stack, as it checks to see if the variable is in effect and sets a game state / special effect rather than directly adding item discovery to the character. Maybe I'll do a playthrough one weekend for a stream playing with 100000 item discovery for fun.

I always assumed each item had it's own separate drop rate and that's why i occasionally got two drops from the same mob, it's nice to learn something new about this game lol.

with 0.6% at max discovery for the slab, you may as well go in NG+

If you wanted to, are trying to, or have aspirations for full time content creation you're fated into it if you continue to deliver like this. Highly thorough, excellent ability to communicate, tone of voice is superbly stable without being boring or grating, clear respect for games, excellent channel name that I remembered through active recall when I wanted to mimic part of your ds3 opt route for a new playthrough. Whatever your current career is I'm sure you're extremely effective and loved among your peers, if you have considered doing this full time I really think you should, seriously man you're great at this and if you love doing it then keep it up. If you continue as you are with content direction and quality you WILL be presented the option it's inevitable your content is far too autistic and niche to get buried. Much love and well wishes man, you've entertained me for hours now and find a ton of real value in the content you've made, thank you for pushing through the hurdle of getting started.

Normally I would not be in for such dry content but you are definitely doing something right I look forward to every upload

Tried looking around for info on this a while ago, and couldn't find much, so thanks for making this video!

Thank you for this video. I'd always believed that drop rates simply multiplied by item discovery (e.g. 1% with 410 item discovery becoming 4.1%). Now I know that's not the case (:

TrevTheDev proves he earns the Dev part of his title by releasing a 13 minute darksouls video with 11 minutes of spreadsheets. Love it.

I haven’t commented in a while but I always watch till the end. still enjoying and hoping to support your channel man you do good work

That upcoming video sounds like it takes a ton of dedication; You have my respect, and thank you for these interesting and informative videos 😌

Many a great warrior died to get this information.

So it seems there are two big jumps in item discovery instead of it being mostly linear - at 1 humanity, and max item discovery. Nice information to know 👍

I watched this video when it came out but didn't have anything interesting to say. I got two slabs in a row during a stream with 100 item discovery, I feel like you need that luck more than I do lol. This project was the first thing I thought of.

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Love the vids, man!

Any information on how your NG+ cycle affects drops? Higher cycles in every Souls game definitely seems to yield much better rates.

Thanks to all the other commenters for getting this in my reccomendations, good stuff.

Honestly, good that farming is not required to get all achievements as much as in DS3. With those rates and without glitches, it is probably faster to speedrun the game to get the fixed drops or just stay at nearly max level of upgrade. Also, is the system similar to what is in DS2/3 and ER?

Interesting, thanks for sharing

So i have a question with the Lizards in the Great Hollow that i have never been able to find the answer to. Do each of the lizards have the same chance to drop a slab, or do they incrimentally get more likely the more you kill? Im pretty sure there is some belief that if you kill all 10 Lizards, then you are guaranteed a Slab. Is this actually true or is it still just a roll? Furthermore, once you get a slab (lets say on the 2nd Lizard you kill) does that remove the Slabs from the other item pools so youre only able to collect 1 in the Great Hollow? I ask because if each Lizard keeps the slab in their pool, could you technically save scum so that every single Lizard dropped a Slab? (For PS+ users it would be uploading to cloud and redownloading etc and PC i believe you can just replace the save file in the folders) Im curious about these things bwcause Ive never been able to find a proper answer.

I would rather run through a game + cycle and kill the stray demon for the slab than farm dark wraiths. Sad to see that drop rates are even worse than I assumed. In Dark Souls 2 NG+ cycles have effect on item discovery.(according to wikis). Is the same case for Dark Souls 1?

Do the proof of concord kept ds3. The most farmed item in dark souls

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Very first playthrough i cheesed that first black knight and got the black knight sword. It really helped but it kinda made it too easy

A friend of mine went through the New Londo ruins and killed 6 Dark Wraiths with only 10 soft humanity, and no other discovery boosting items. The first 5 dropped him a chunk each and the last one rewarded him with a slab. What are the odds of this happening?

We rise

I hate how abyssmal they made it to farm slabs in this game. There's only 3 in the game with one being in the dlc and another behind a long annoying questline. Not to mention how many armor sets need slabs to be upgraded to max, so if you want a +10 weapon and +10 armor you need to go into ng+ unless you want to farm. I also farmed the darkwraiths for 4 hours once on max item discovery and didn't get a single slab.

At those rates I'd rather go into NG+ infinitely for more slabs

Thanks!

A way to explain item discovery: have an enemy with 900 clear marbles (nothing) and 100 blue marbles (item) for 1000 total marbles, that equals 100/1000 = 10% drop chance. With 200 discovery, 100 blue marbles is now 200 but we still have 900 clear marbles for 1100 total marbles. Instead of 10% * 2 = 20% we actually have 200/1100 = 18.18%. With multiple items that can drop, always stay same weighting towards each other because you are simply expanding the total amount of marbles and not reducing the clear marbles.

Ok so if a batwing Demon has 2% chance of dropping the demon spear at 100 item discovery adding 1 humanity yields 50 more . By my math you know have a 3% chance right ? And at 410 you have an 8.2% chance ? (Picked this enemy because it drops only 1 thing or nothing making the odds easier to calculate ...darkwraiths obscure the odds because of the possibility of multiple items with different drop rates dropping together like a chunk and dark hand (latter is 2% if 1 item) what would the drop rate be if it dropped with a chunk .

Good Gwyn, I’m early

Am I dumb? I feel like this is normal math to use for this sort of thing, especially if it is to limit hackers.

Red Titanite Slabs are the rarest things on earth. There is only ONE in the the game (Lost Izalith) and their drop is ultra-rare. AND the respawning droppers (Chaos Eaters) are only 4... not 10 or 11 like the Darkwraiths Fortunately Fire and Chaos weapons are meh, many enemies are fire-resistant, Occult or Magic (as Enchanted) weapons are way powerful as they scale with Fth or Int and enemies are LESS resistant to magic damage (occult and divine = magic too... and that's equally important... not only how much damage you make, but if you go through the enemy's defense, otherwise power is nothing if you hit a brick wall!!!) , so you can live without red-slabs. By the way: you can farm to 99 humanities. Why did they cap the Chaos weapons to 10 is beyond me. The error maybe is to let merchants sell humanities! Make humanities more rare, make Chaos-Weapons stronger.. that had to be the right way to go. They removed the Chaos factor from the Chaos weapons. As Chaos Servant I DEMAND more powerful Chaos Weapons !!! ffs! It's derespectful. It seems that creators watched to much Harry Potter... and gave more credit to magic babystuffs and neglected true, sane, visceral Chaos-Power. Result: in my experience if your Stats are "smaller 40" in STR / DEX / FTH / INT (basics) you want Lightning Weapons! Once your stats reach the 40 (or 50) barrier in the basics, you want a weapon which scales with your stats. You can have some fun with Chaos Weapons too, but for the reasons given above, the fun is limited.

Your voice is way too bassy and popping just speak a bit further away from your mic because you are overloading it, makes it hard to watch/listen to.

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Yesterday I got 3 dark hands in a row when all I wanted was one titanite chunk 🥲