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Even after all the complaints about "killing for shock value", I cant do but love how Gege really did put all of jujutsu society's weight on one man's shoulders, and in bout three hours after he is sealed half the cast is dead. Only then I think you start to understand what Gojo's figure implies and why are all of them risking their lives for a chance for him to get free

JJK actually had teeth. Yes, both war arcs end with serious social ramifications as the general population deals with the aftermath of the villains "winning", but in MHA, the heroes can rally together because almost nobody died; in JJK, it's a struggle to get back up and find a shoulder to lean on, because so many great sorcerers either die, are sealed, permanently injured, unjustly prosecuted, or bounced altogether.

Honestly, considering how Shibuya was considered an “incident” I dread what a actual war in JJK would look like

The end of the shibuya incident arc (atleast in the anime so far) is probably the best turning point I’ve ever seen in anime. You see all the disaster curses, sukuna himself, geto, etc fighting the jujutsu sorcerers and going full carnage mode. And what cements this arc at the end is the real world consequence of what happened. We see how gojo was judged accomplice to the incident, we see the chaos that will remain for long in the whole of Japan. But most of all we see our protagonist, Itadori Yuuji get sentenced to death and his executioner is none other then the protagonist of the jjk movie, another really strong sorcerer that we have grown to love.

Another key factor when analyzing Shibuya is taking into consideration how many of the villains were killed off compared to the heroes. Overall, I view the Shibuya arc as a win for the villains, but only slightly. When you consider that the bad guys lost Mahito, Jogo, Hanami, Dagon, Haruta, Choso (switched sides) and, to an extent, Toji, it really makes the deaths of Nanami, Nobara, Naobito, Todo (in terms of his CT), and the capture of Gojo feel earned. This was a true war arc in which sacrifices had to be made for the heroes to prevail, and they still couldn’t take out Kenjaku, Urarame, and Sukuna.

I'm really surprised MHA never had one of Class A die, especially in this arc. Like the cast is so massive it can afford to lose one or at the very least have one suffer a major scar/long-lasting injury. The story wants to do a 'now things have gotten more dire than ever' moment but never commits to hit by applying it to our protagonists.

I'd agree with you if I weren't so far into the manga. I'm not lauding being a "manga reader" over anime-only watchers, but Gege's formula effectively trained me to not care about anyone living or dying. In fact, it makes it so that I'm cheering for the villain because everything's just tipped into his favor. MHA doesn't make use of killing off their cast of characters impactful enough, and ironically, after the Shibuya Arc, so does JJK.

Something that I found interesting about JJk is how they treat the character Jogo. I had a realization during the arc that we had really only seen him fight Gojo and with the difference in power he ended up being a bit of a joke. We did not take him as seriously. So when he appeared to the other sorcerers and just obliterated them, it was a reminder of how powerful and dangerous he actually was. It was also another reminder of how much the sorcerers need Gojo. That arc was so good and after reading the manga I was so so excited about seeing it all in action and finally animated. I do not have those same feelings about MHA

Something about Shibuya is every major moment can be built up by a question. What is Toji going to do with his return? He shows in Dagon’s domain. Where is the Kyoto High cast? Todo shows up to help fight Mahito. The big moments come as a result of payoff of the questions readers may ask

I didn't realize the mha arc did bad for me it was awesome until after the battle it slows down way to much and the big fight between deku and shigaraki was way to brief

Midnight's death hit me harder cuz I read the Vigilantes spin-off prequel manga. Her and Eraser Head play a huge part in that.

One of the things I love about Hunter x Hunter, is how real the stakes are. Thing is, the stakes are not society breaking, world ending ones (save for one in particular, but that one comes in the later part of HxH). The stakes are proving one self, facing your demons, being able to grow as a character, and the fun part is, characters actually fail constantly, making it feel so damn powerful when they do fail, and so damn satisfying when they prevail. I really liked MHA, but if you are going to have a "war" and can't kill anyone, then just, don't have one. people die in wars, those are the stakes. If you cant come through that, or can't shift the focus to how war affects people and have the stakes be how characters are affected by what they are forced to do (like what they did with Endevor), then why have one in the first place. I understand that MHA is not a dark show, but if it's not, why go to dark places if you can't actually go through. You don't need to kill the cast, but if there are no real stakes in anything they do, whats the point.

I found this interesting, many people in the war arc do DIE, and are SHOWN. There are a lot of impactful moments in the manga that when released people were scared. However, I think the problem is that the anime adaptation is at fault. The composition was cheerful, the art direction was awful. The animation was EXTREMELY LACKLUSTER. It got hit with the backfire of COVID on the industry. Jujutsu Kaisen's adaptation was the opposite, while yes killing off main characters can be impactful, it can also just be a little TOO MUCH, when every single character turns out to just be a plot device so that itadori can become a little more angry, It starts to dullen the impact of a main side character depth. However, the staff of JJK were EXTREMELY PASSIONATE about the series, in the anime they added SO MANY NEW SCENES that showed the destruction of the city, the danger of curses ect. ect. Honestly i think that both jjk are on opposite sides of the spectrum, neither one better than the other. TLDR: the staff at bones fumbled where the INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE at jjk didn't (FUCK MAPPA)

MHA and JJK are so different though. Shibuya arc is more like the Kamino for JJK. It sets the ground from the upcoming act, while the War Arc is more of a central Act introduction. Not going to spoil, but this becomes very evident when you read ahead in both series. The Shibuya arc sets ground work for Yuuji to grow while ridding of so many characters to ease the writing, almost like an Origin story. MHA focuses more on the message and how to define each individual conflict for a final showdown. The series are so different to compare and I enjoy them both differently.

I'd argue that the War arc and the Shibuya are, are two fundamentally different points in their respective stories. The former marks the finale and the latter a major lasting change in the status quo.

They're both Shonen but that's where the similarities end as both shows have completely different central themes and philosophies as shown through both arcs as MHA is about the breaking point of hero society and all the filth that was being hidden by that society as said by Shigaraki as it questions the ideals and morality of heroes with it's aftermath.

Everyone seems to be forgetting about Twice’s death, wasn’t that like actually emotional and feeling bad for villain etc.

two different types of manga. My hero is all about hope while JJK is all about despair.

Personally, I think both the War Arc and the Shibuya Incident Arc accomplished what they were intended to do. In MHA, the War Arc was the breaking point in society, and it effectively set in motion and laid the building blocks for the Second War Arc which is my favorite arc by far. It's wrapping up every loose end and bringing some awesome fights and turns. I think Shibuya was also amazing, but it went about it a different way. Curses aren't known to the entire world like Quirks are so you can't really compare the 2's climaxes like this. While I agree that Shibuya did do somethings better, I think that the War Arc did one thing better that was pretty important, and it was not killing significant characters off for what felt like no reason. I remember when Nobara died, I though, "That was pretty unnecessary." I've always had a problem with JJK killing characters constantly, most recently with Gojo, Kashimo, Choso, and Higurama. Both were incredible arcs and laid down many questions for how the story would progress and what will the protagonists do with the villains in a beneficial position though and I love both series a lot.

You're mostly right, until you read the manga of jjk and realise that Gege just loves Sukuna way too much, he's basically the main character with how much the plot bends to his will.

Though I understand the complaint of feeling a lack of stakes due to lack of death. Story wise the stakes are there. In every other arc the hero’s never lost and faith in the hero’s was there. However this also held up the complicated and flawed hero system. However this arc though the hero’s got the jump on the villains there plan completely failed and they lost. Endeavor was exposed the hero system crumbled as some gave up and the people lost faith. The city was completely chaotic. Story wise we’ve never seen the lack of faith in the hero’s like this. The villains completely exposed the flawed system. Plus this wasn’t technically the “war arc” but a failed mission. The war arc is what’s happening in the manga and this failed mission set up the stakes for how dangerous the villains truly are. Also the fact of the matter is mha is just a more light hearted show. Story wise the arc works however I can understand not feeling it as much cuz the show is more light hearted.

I want to add here because im also an animator in training so i like to analyze stories and see what i can apply to my future work as wel. I think the problem MHA war Arc that i do agree is how certain characters purpose in the story is not truely define like how JJK treats their characters. In Shibuya, When characters start getting killed one by one its not just for shock value or just "Throwing away some characters to be safe emotionally on the audience", Gege picks the characters with character arcs that are halted like Nanami or Characters with no true future goal but still is a deeply meaningful person to the main character and the Audience like Nobara. It spares no one but at the same time gives characters their end and give meaning to their ends, showing that there is consequences to the actions of these characters. In MHA war arc everyone that dies wasn't properly build up, and the ones would would make sense to leave the story doesn't. Even if u dont want to kill them it would make sense to put some of these heroes out of commission so that when the Vigilante arc happens, it does feel like the heroes give up. All in All, both are pretty good but i do feel like Shibuya has been well written compared to MHA war arc. Thank u for reading if u do manage to get to this point :3

So people complain about mha of how no one dies, and people complain about jjk about too many people dying. Got it

Im gonna be 100% I feel people who have read and or watched MHA and got to the "war" arc really understand what it was meant to do. I dont even consider it a war arc it feels more like a raid like how it was with overhaul. I do think it couldve been more darker with more heros losing their life, however it did perfectly because it showed just how much the hero society was crumbling... With some heroes beinf exposed tfor who they truly are like Endeavor (who got exposed to the whole world), then we have heroes who lost their lives (crust, midnight, and probably others but most probablt were offsceeen), then we get to see effects of the raid like how literally 90% of Heroes of Japan retired/quit because they couldnt handle the villians no more (because their not powerful enough to do so, and becuase they dont want to), or how many heroes were injured beyond repair with, Deku basically in a coma, bakugou bleeding out, endeavor was badly hurt, and gran torino all in the hosptial, and mirko now losing her arm and leg, then we have the decline in trust of the heroes by the public (as development of it was shown in season 7 or vigilante dekus story arc). The pure difference between both of these Arcs is that Jjk technically had the Heroes still win, though with a cost of many lives, and then MHA basically has the villians win with a lot more costs like the almost all hero giving up, some heroes losing their lives, the repuation of the hero society declining, Im sorry as much as i enjoyed the shibuya arc the MHA war/shigaraki war arc was better and it by no means failed.

I can’t agree about the war arc being forgettable. There are moments I will never forget same with the Shibuya arc. For example: Shigaraki decaying an entire city, Kirishima being clutch as usual, Kaminari saving a squad of heroes with his quirk, Aizawa cutting of his leg, Endeavor showing how much of a beast he is fighting solo against Shigaraki without getting touched once physically and etc- deaths? Not so much. Tbh if I didn’t have manga spoilers I wouldn’t have realized Midnight died.

I find it funny how Gege and Horikoshi are actually friends, maybe they shoud learn from each other...

I think Horikoshi was not prepared for how loved (And demanded) MHA would get when the manga was published and perhaps as well due to the nature of the manga industry, that if a story kicks off well that means it will most likely be forced to last as long as possible for the money to keep raining in, besides that Horikoshi simply had good concepts and ideas but lacks the corage to, as you said, take risks, have consequences, we're still stuck at Deku's monologue introduction and it is ironic that the very firsts episodes foretold the story's main and greatest flaw with Allmight's hair method, the story still sells but that's that. Meanwhile Gege has had a clear idea and image of his story since practically the beginning, He doesn't care what the fans of the story think about him, (The good, the bad and the horrendous) he doesn't care he has basically traumatized an entire audience Berserk style, he is here to tell the tragedy of a broken system that perpetuates a neverending cycle of death, destruction and despair, it's victims and the flawed, self-destructive mentality of selflessness at the cost of the individual and how those most selfish actually succeed in life, he sticks to his guns and to top it all of he does it in a way that WORKS, the story is edgy done right, you love the villians, you love the heroes, you love to hate certain characters and the story pulls the rug under your feet not in a half-assed way but one that impacts the story, impacts THE AUDIENCE, he himself has stated to (understandably) HATE Gojo, the most popular character of the story and he doesn't pull a 'Kill Neji bc I don't like him and I want him out, story be damned' like in Naruto, no, he bids his time, he develops the character, takes him out of the way when necessary, pulls him back AND THEN he kills him off, is he too brutal? I think so sometimes but what I respect the most in a story is the commitment to the bit, wether be comedy, drama or tragedy, Gege is the one calling the shots here and no amount of tears and death threats are going to stop him from breaking us apart mentally and emotionally and my masochistic ass is gonna enjoy (And cry) every second of it.

honestly I feel like a lot of the problems in the MHA arc could be fixed with a single mention of a time skip at the very least, a lot of things would make way more sense like how it could be construded how deku is able to use 100% after like 2 more years of training as a 3rd year in highschool and how he's able to use all his new quirks at a high level of proficiency. Also it would just make more sense how the other students are able to even contribute a little bit into the bigger battles with afo and shiggy instead of some random 1st years being able to hold their own against the strongest villian in existence. I'm so mad that horikoshi kept it like this when a time skip would've made so much sense. Of course that doesn't address a lot of other problems and a time skip has its own problems too, but it still would've been so much better than what trainwreck we have now. Not only in the war arc but for deku's whole dark hero arc would make more sense in terms of the time of events, cuz how do all these things happen in the matter of one school year????

season 6 of mha was a blast for me... i couldn't care less about character not dying!

To say nothing changes when the entire country has a shift in perspective and trust in heroes after they lose is crazy. Not only were there people having to fight alone against villains but there was lawless sections that allowed for people to get away with things. The arc isn’t about the class and focusing on that as the main point when MHA hasn’t necessarily always been fully focused on 1-A as a whole seems like a misunderstanding on what the point really was. Another example of this is when this guy mentions the festival arc. While Jiro was important to the show, the main characters were Gentle, La Brava, and Deku. It’s an arc about different forms of heroism.

I think you just don't get that MHA isn't meant to be nearly as mature and violent as other shonen happening rn. It's meant to be like older, longer shonen where characters don't really die, but it's fun to watch them. The fact that a character as important as Twice was killed surprised me; I didn't think they were gonna kill anyone. Even Midnight was surprising cause she consistently shows up and is enjoyable to watch. Also if we're talking about "nothing happened", multiple characters were permanently disabled from that fight. Miruko lost two limbs, Aizawa lost his leg and potentially his eye, Gran Torino is effectively retired, Mirio is back, etc. Also All for One and basically every major villain was freed, as well as Shigaraki escaping. There's a BUNCH of other stuff too, but I won't bore you. I jus think your expectations of the show weren't really what the show was about. It was potentially the darkest tone so far in the story. The heroes lost, and BAD. JJK is a much darker, grittier anime, it's meant for that kind of stuff. You wouldn't expect a character in MHA to get their head blown off, even off-screen.

MHA: kills the side characters Demon slayer: kills everyone cuz the author has nothing better to do than make everyone cry

I have to disagree with all of this. Good video, fair points, but it misses the fact that these series are completely different in philosophy. - Curses want humanity dead or beneath them, no halfway business. Curses want total domination and will do whatever it takes to get that. - The "villains" in MHA want to be seen as equals without being judged for being born with odd abilities. They don't want to kill to make a point, but if people need to die as proof of how the division based on quirks is stupid, then so be it. Death is not the objective, it's a byproduct of their interactions with heroes. Love it or hate it, MHA never posed itself as someone dark and deep story about eliminating your enemies. It always stood as an example of why judging others for how they look or that they don't fit in isn't right. So its war story isn't supposed to end with bodies on the floor, but rather show the extent of how far factions would go to let their point be heard. JJK is the exact opposite, so for death to eventually become commonplace makes sense. You can't have a story of do or die and no one dies. Both arcs are turning points for their respective series, and both series will see a massive shift in tone after these events. Just because one arc is more in your face with its goals doesn't necessarily mean the other arc missed the point. Shibuya worked fine for JJK, PLF War will play out fine for MHA.

It must be real annoying for you that half the comments below just didn’t watch the video, huh Ent?

JJK: Killing everyone MHA: Everyone is inmortal

The key moment that really broke me in the Shibuya incident was the expression Yuji makes after seeing the obliterated city. His look of absolute horror, screaming about being a murderer, vomiting etc. We literally watch him have a mental breakdown as he finally comes to the reality that is Sukuna and what the king of curses is truly capable of. MHA still has yet to absolutely rip my heart out like JJK did with that scene.

(TL;DR at the end) This is what I like to call: the JJK effect lol. It’s when people who love JJK have been so normalised to half the entire main cast dying for no reason before they get barely any development and thinking that’s the only consequence that can exist in a story. (No offence, sorry that came out aggressive haha). Like I really can’t see how these are “fakeouts” or “safe writing”, ESPECIALLY with Bakugo. You probably picked the example that has one of the heaviest consequences out of the entire series. That moment not only starts a fire within Deku that doesn’t get put out until the end of the next arc, but also makes a start towards one of if not the biggest character development of the entire series, Bakugo’s apology which completely changes his relationship with Deku. In terms of the example with Gojo, yes I do agree that it’s smart to seal him off and therefore our sense of safety is gone, but… the way he gets sealed is just so pathetic I can’t believe it. The moment Gojo steps foot into Shibuya he just doesn’t feel the same. He’s suddenly on edge and seems so worried he might actually lose, which is a good way to build up suspense and tension yes, but we therefore expect to see him fight a huge villain and lose towards the beginning of the arc. Not get caught in a very easy trap like that that his season 1 version wouldn’t have even entertained. It just makes me feel cheated and like this isn’t the strong, cocky Gojo we all know, and therefore makes the rest of the arc much less convincing. Also the villains in JJK are an actual joke comparing to MHA, even in both arcs mentioned here. Jogo’s a joke, Hanami’s bland as heck, Geto.. who the heck is he?? And Sukuna’s just the one who wants to destroy for the sake of destroying. And to top it all off, Mahito is actually okay but is the very cliche deranged villain and once again has barely any depth. Nothing nearly as close as interesting comparing to Shigaraki with very deep and interesting backstory and motives, Dabi which I don’t have to explain, Twice with his relationship with Toga, and Toga, being kind of similar to Sukuna in some ways in the fact that she’s literally just insane and there’s nothing really more to her villainy, but the anime still does something with that in making her love the people she’s supposed to kill, and figure out if they really are as bad as she thinks. Now onto the big part, the consequences of Shibuya Incident. Nobara and Nanami die. 2 main characters who barely got to do anything yet. And they get killed by Mahito of all people. 2 characters who still had so much potential die just like that to a villain who isn’t even that threatening (at least imo). Imo this doesn’t make the arc and its consequences impactful and rather does the opposite and just makes it less convincing due to the fact that they die just like that to Mahito. Something which people dont realise as well is imo the TRUE difference between these arcs, the times in which they happen. MHA’s war arc happens after 200 chapters of the series, and 6 seasons into the anime, literally starting the final saga. The Shibuya Incident happens in the second season of the anime, serving as one of the introductory arcs to the story. Now, there’s 2 types of war arcs that a series can adopt. A war arc which happens as a result of big events going on in the story and is the true height and climax of those events (most war arcs), or war arcs which serve to build the characters and get you to know more about them and deepen your bond with them (I mean I’ve only seen that in World Trigger with its Invasion arc around like 30 episodes in). MHA obviously adopts the first type and does it perfectly, as most series do since it’s near the end of the series and therefore all of the events have already happened. In MHA’s case, this is what the plot has been building up to ever since the beginning of Season 5 and really just after the AFO vs All Might battle. The problem with JJK is that it also adopts the first type and kills off characters as if we’ve gotten to know them for like 200 chapters, but, we just don’t. The Shibuya Incident just has no substance (for me at least) because it’s just events happening to characters that I barely even know, so essentially you could just replace them with blank NPCs and it wouldn’t honestly have TOO much of a difference. And moreover, there just is no big events that have happened for it to be the big climax of. I mean yeah there was a bit of build up with Geto mentioning the date, but literally nothing else. One date drop isn’t build up for an entire war where 2 major characters die and a huge part of an entire area gets wiped out lol. Back onto the consequences part, this is what I mean by the ‘JJK effect’. Consequences don’t always just mean characters dying. In MHA, characters suffered life-changing injuries, and the whole point of the 4 aftermath episodes and the Dark Hero Arc was to show the true consequences of the war, hero society. Shigaraki levelled an entire city bro, killing thousands of innocent people and completely destroying the public’s already shaky reception of heroes to bits. MHA has always went for a more mature and realistic approach, ESPECIALLY in this war arc. Stuff like Midnight’s death are ‘brushed over’ for example because the series is trying to teach us that it’s not all about them anymore, it’s about all of society. We do get to see the impact of her death on the students and it gets brushed over to show that it’s just one of the many casualties in the war and those casualties aren’t always people just dying or getting injured but it goes much much deeper into the civilians and hero society. Also the war arc literally starts the final saga of the series, by far the darkest and puts the world of MHA into a panic state where they could lose at pretty much any point and the whole of Japan could fall under AFO’s rule very easily. Seems like pretty big consequences to me. Also Deku just suddenly being able to use 100% against Shiagarki numerous times isn’t just a magical thing that happens with no consequence. He’s able to use it in the moment because of adrenaline and afterwards he’s literally paralysed and has to move with his mouth. In the arc after that, he has to use specially made cuffs to help him even withstand OFA’s power after all those blows he made to Shigaraki. To wrap this up, about Shigaraki and Mahito and how Mahito’s way more threatening and all because he kills more, I kinda already explained this with the whole consequences point but I’d like to bring up the fact that Shigaraki was quirkless during the entire fight with everyone and was still able to hold his own, cause major injures to the pro heroes and students, and was able to survive like 6-7 100% OFA blows at point-blank range. The fact that he was able to level an entire city from just touching the ground comparing to Mahito’s killing of 2 characters is immensely different. Imo that’s MUCH more threatening since we actually get to see the heroes’ strength versus just a portion of the villain’s strength and them getting absolutely humiliated while 2 main characters just get cheaply taken out by a villain who we’ve barely even seen except in 1 or 2 fights before. (TL;DR) Overall, it’s up to different tastes. Both series have consequences just different types. MHA goes for mature and realistic consequences whereas JJK goes for more shonen and traditional consequences (key word: traditional, not generic). In my opinion, the Shibuya Incident is a much poorer execution of a war arc than the Paranormal Liberation War because of everything which I’ve said above, but hey, as I just said, this is a case where it’s truly up to just different opinions.

For me twice death was as impactful as nobora and nanami deaths but the teacher's death i felt the most nothing in the show . students were crying but i felt nothing and the purple lady was hyped by manga fans but i felt nothing from her maybe the adaptation wasn't perfect but overall i enjoyed the season 8/10.

JJK fans try to hype up their own series without putting down others challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)

did you even watch the mha war arc several people were losing limbs that they to this current chapter in the manga havent gotten back a lot of people did in fact die and there has been major consequences for example hawks losing his back to Dabi has left him severely weakened because his quirk has WAY less feathers now Miruko losing majority of her limbs and literally needing support items just to be able to help Twice being completely dead midnight being completely dead the entire world collapsing on itself I mean u say all of this about knowing the characters when we've got basically 0 character from nobara other than her being a gag most of the time most of the people that did die in shibuya I couldnt give a rats ass about them because they werent developed and idk where you're seeing this development at unlike with twice who was a really lovable character the stories HAD consequences you're just undermining them because gege kills off a character every episode and that makes it feel like its got more consequences even though actions do have impact in mha and thats very clear from anyone who actually pays attention to the injuries we see and as for Deku it shouldve been obvious he'd build up more of a resistance seeing as he can now use 45% as oppose to the last time he used 100% he was only maintaining 5% of one for all him having more of a handle on it should be obvious we've seen lasting affects from this arc that I feel ur just ignoring like the mentality it gave Deku how society was ruined needed character development for Bakugo more input on the Todoroki family and then you bring up jiro vs all for one like she significantly beat him by herself and mahito does NOT feel more dangerous than shigaraki thats an atrocious take especially when his techniques dont even work on the main character while Deku literally has to pummel shigaraki so badly he cant even fight back just to stand a chance at winning ur tryna tell me itadori who cant be affected by mahitos instant kill and todo who can just switch places with anything he wants felt more dangerous than shigaraki who was going up against an entire team of heroes quirkless and winning alright buddy Itadori was literally a punching bag for several minutes until todo showed up and none of those punches had lasting affects on him just due to how much stronger and better he is than mahito and gran torino is hospitalized he is NOT fine lol you act like hes been on the front lines in the currect arc the entire time plus gran torino was still needed within the story to show Izuku that killing Shigaraki is another way of saving him and are you seriously bringing up machia being outsmarted the guy whose a literal dumbass that just follows commands and he wasnt even stopped by them until endeavor knocked him down multiple episodes later Iida punching Deku had more weight mainly because we had an entire arc of Iida doing what Deku was attempting to do and regretting it also you use events that will stick with you as a last argument meanwhile Bakugo saving Deku will hold way more impact to me than any moment in shibuya mostly because shibuyas moments are carried by memes like I would never talk about jogo vs sukuna if it werent for memes because i could give a rats ass when it comes to jogo meanwhile literally any moment with shigaraki sticks simply because of my villain academia

Damn I can’t remember anything from the war arc of my hero. I didn’t even remember that midnight died I was so surprised to relearn it in your video.

I have no idea where this idea of season 6’s arcs were so divisive are coming from when it’s considered one of the best seasons of the series, if not the best across every platform you can rate things...

The paranormal liberation arc was absolutely fantastic... Literally the best the show has been since the Stain fight.

Why cant the jjk fandom like the show without comparing it to other animes

The war arc felt like a light scuffle while the shibuya incident was an actual war, with casualties, a couple people died in the mha “war” where in shibuya people weren’t people they were just collateral damage, no one was gonna save them.

NGL, while I do agree with some things, you say, PLW & The final war still neg Shibuya

Mha plot armor: omg teacher who nobody cared about died, so sad. JJK plot armor: main villain gets 30 different Heian era ass pulls. also jjk, beloved characters just die.

I feel like both series have the opposite problem. MHA: Nobody ever dies so it's hard to care about what's happening since you known nothing truly bad can happen to them. JJK: Anyone can die at random so it's hard to get invested in any character or their arcs since they can just abruptly end at any time.

2:00 "Gojo cannot die in a war arc" Jujutsu Kaisen. Chapter 236. September 24, 2023. Pages 13 and 14.

I kind of agree. Mha did really remove the stakes here for a "war arc". It's much easier to call the current point of the manga the actual war, because here we see characters seriously injured and some deaths. Jiro for example had one of her ears destroyed, like damn that's like making her quirk be less effective, that's gonna have consequences. Bakugou's supposed death was kind of just turned over, so that's a little less stakes, but Hawks also lost his quirk. There's a lot more stakes in the current point than in this failed war arc

Bro just wants someone to die 😭

MHA isn't a series that kills characters alot. Typically they get maimed/permanently injured etc. You don't need actual death for stakes although a big death every now and then would help to heightened the stakes I suppose. The MHA arc was good, with the only significant issue being Gran Torino not dying but you kinda have to see it play out to see what Hori is gonna do with his character for the epilogue. I suppose its ok to annoyed/upset in the moment. The arc had a moment that outtrended the US election. It definitely had things going for it. Jjk killed so many characters in Shibuya that half the cast are new/relatively characters that alot of people don't even care about. With Gege introducing characters with no backstory that are conveniently powerful enough to deal with the series biggest threats.

Mfs really can't like a series without hardscoping nitpicking another one

I completely disagree. I think your criticism that Shibuya is the better war arc because it wasn't afraid to kill off its main and supporting cast is pretty shallow. An effective war arc, to me, has far more important variables than just the total kill count. Most importantly the portrayal of the tug of war and what tactics each side uses to tip the scales is what makes a good war arc. MHA was a master class at this as the animes overall returning theme is producing hope in despair and in season six the anime breaks that rule. Regarding kill count, as I think it is certainly one aspect of an effective war arc, praising JJK for killing off characters isn't the praise people think it is as killing off characters we barely know or was given the time to actually care about them means nothing. Sure, in MHA mostly side characters died while main characters were injured, but what you're not taking into consideration is that we've spent years building connections with these characters. Seeing what happened to those impacted during that arc was an emotional gut punch vs the deaths in JJKs produced a slight double take.

You are my special

JJK is literally just fights and fights while MHA’s war arc’s story beats and dialogue is the most pivotal. You’re only comparing because JJK has better animation

Killing off a character in JJK has little to no impact on me because I never cared for any of them in the first place. The characters feel shallow and underdeveloped in a way that makes them feel more like set dressing than people. The world and society in JJK is explored very little and feels shallow. For example: why does it seem like there are no "normal people" who have any idea what curses are and why is there no government involved in anything? Why wouldn't any governments employ curses or curse users in anyway? On the other hand with MHA enough time was spent on developing the characters to where I actually care about them and feel impacted if any of them were to disappear. The world and society are affected in many ways due to the powers of people and the consequences of events that take place. When something happens in the world of MHA it has an effect on more than just the people directly involved and has lasting consequences that are built upon throughout the story. Yes it's true that Bakugo didn't die during the fight however I don't believe that killing him off would have benefited the story in anyway. When Nobara "died" the story had to flash back to fill in her backstory because it was never flushed out in the first place. Instead of making me sad that a character I was invested in was suddenly ripped away instilling a feeling of loss, I instead felt indifferent. I do believe death has a role to play in story telling but in order for it to have an effect something must actually be lost. By under developing JJK's characters and killing them off left and right I am not made to feel sadness, anger, loss, or any strong emotion; instead the moment passes by and it looses any potential it had.

Having more deaths doesn't instantaneously make your story better, I hate it when people compare these two shows when they're so different. I mean look at Gojo's death, him having to die offscreen actually made lots of people drop the manga, what do you have to say about that then? Meanwhile All Might surviving against All For One actually set up for better character developments in the future. No hate towards JJK, I love it too but I'm sick of ya'll comparing them so much as if JJK is just the better show when it's not, neither is, they're just different.

"MHA's war arc would have been a lot more interesting if characters we had actually grown to know, died". Can't believe you said this and praised JJK. **NONE** of those characters have any personality. They're basically meat puppets for the grinder. The only person of substance who dies is Nanami. And he had NOTHING left to do in the story; which is a MAJOR flaw in Gege's writing. He has said it: when he has nothing left for characters to do in the story he kills them off. And it's EXACTLY why their deaths are hollow. On the opposite side of that spectrum: It's why Jiraiya's death is sad, there's still stuff left to TEACH Naruto and there's more bonding time to be had. Nobara is about to die, the pacing *stops DEAD* and then we get an episode and a half of flashback of her. It's like the author realized, moments before killing her, that he never actually made her a character. People need to stop pretending JJK is genius. It really isn't.

I still don't know how the tail guy in class 1A survived that long, at least have someone in that damn class died my guy😅

Honestly I dropped my hero after Mirko had gone to the lab to try to prevent Shigaraki's awakening. I know a shit ton of stuff happened since then but the few bits and pieces Ive seen make me not regret my decision. I think MHA was one of the pillars of the "hype" generation of new anime(like Fire Force, Black Clover etc), started off with a bang then couldnt keep it going in the long run. People were too quick to comapre them to the Big 3 and it showed that they were in fact not even on the same league. A shame, I want to have that hype again for MHA but right now nothing could make me go back, and your video just proves me that the downfall is indeed real

My problem with this video is that jjk villains are just flat villains, straight up. They have weak motivations they are remembered for their fights not what they stood for or why they fight. It’s to the point where people hate on Geto Brain for thoroughly fleshing his plan and ideology out calling him a Yap demon. Every good villain in MHA yaps bro. Hero Killer stain did more yapping than fighting yet it’s his yapping that’s been the influence for other major villains not how many hero’s stain has killed. There is no league without stain, like there was no shibuya incident without Geto. As for the characters deaths themselves JJK deaths are hit and misses at best. Tell me you actually cared when Nobara died. Jogo’s death was off screen which was foreshadowing for hehe.. if you know, you know. Toji as much as I love him really didn’t need to be in shibuya at all and he kills himself without ever pushing megumi’s character forward at all. Shibuya incident was hype even if 75% was mindless fighting just for the sake of it.

You choose to pick what matters in the arc, by ignoring the important changes to say "nothing matter". And you end by saying this arc was forgettable. Funny how you pretty much boil downs everything to "kill characters". You're definitely biased.

I wasn't really planning to comment on this as writing is often personal and depends on the person but i just want to say something as these are two favourites of mine. I like to believe MHA is a story about society and not necessarily the people themselves and JJK is the opposite. To explain what i mean i want to ask a question, what did Midnight's death mean or do? From my perspective, nothing but i think that's what MHA is good at. Midnight dying didn't change momo during the fight like most manga would but instead hori used midnight's last words before the signal was cut as a way to improve momo, the death was an unfortunate bi-product. Now i know nanami does something similar but i want to expand on that. I believe in nanami's case that his death hit yuji first and then the words which is the opposite of what MHA does. (I know this seems a bit of a bad explanation but hold on) i believe hori is a writer that takes hope and then meets it with tragedy and gege is the opposite, there are stakes in both series and a ton of people die in both but they are fundamentally different. MHA doesn't kill characters because for its story it just wouldn't do anything because look at All Might, All Might didn't have to die for society to weaken just his powers but then when we look at gojo the same can't fully be said as it wasn't only Gojo's power but also him himself being able to influence Jujutsu society so gojo unlike All Might had to be removed for some impact to happen. I know it is gojo's powers that allow him to be so influential but he doesn't need to does he? He can just choose to leave everything to the higher ups the same way All Might does but he doesn't. I know this probably seems all over the place but i just wanted to say a few things that maybe a few others could streamline. Btw I'm 17 so I'd also like to propose the idea that the feeling towards the different arcs could be connected to fan's ages and the amount of anime seen in their lives.

Did midnigt dead? I totaly forget about her.

You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Both arcs had completely different purposes and I think they both accomplished what they set out to do. I think both had some issues but were ultimately successful in their respective purposes

hate saying this but i had to stop watching the video just from how much inaccurate info u had on mha. u clearly either didnt watch it, didnt understand it, didnt care to understand it, ignored details or missed them entirely. the list goes on and on. so much info in this was not true. and no i dont mean ur opinions. i mean what ur basing ur opinions on. think this is the first video ive ever seen someone make and have this much info wrong about a series...

why cant we just like them both 😭

yall instead of being fans off and anime and then making people mad just dont say anything and also bruh deku couldn't even move after using 100 percent after the fight

I'm a filthy casual who only watches the anime dubs, and took a while before I actually started watching MHA and JJK. But the issue I have with JJK is Gojo Satoru was probably the only character I found interesting, and when I found out about him dying in the manga I lost all interest in the series, I honestly don't find the other characters interesting enough to want to invest anymore time into the series, and the anime didn't give me enough reason to care about them. Yes MHA is a lot safer, but even that made me care about a handful of characters, with Twice being one, but I wasn't solely invested in Twice like I was with Gojo Satoru in JJK.

Mah: saves all fan favorite charcters to be friendly. Gege: no

JJK is just built different in the Shibuya arc. Sure, there are similarities, but what made it different/interesting from the war arcs is the parts where there are antagonists twist their roles in the war (e.g. Toji temporarily "helping" the sorcerers in their dire situation by overpowering and killing Dagon who trapped them in his domain followed by killing attempts to Megumi, and then there's Sukuna who was thought to be on the side of the special-grade curses but doesn't completely side with them because of his one condition, and even OBLITERATES one of them FOR FUN followed by a massive collateral damage in Shibuya with EVERYONE in the vicinity, which is no mercy.)

My big problem with the Shibuya incident is that the bad guys that got killed off are so overwhelmingly weak compared to Sukuna that, effectively, nothing has changed. It's Jogo syndrome - an intensely strong character getting absolutely fodderized because they only ever fought people stronger than themselves. Hanami's death SHOULD have been impactful, but we've seen barely any of the actual bond or friendship between the disaster curses. The big problem is that in my opinion Sukuna isn’t well-written, because his strength is so phenomenally overwhelming that every other villain in the series seems insanely weak by comparison. THIS IS A TEAM OF SPECIAL GRADE CURSES AND THEY ARE NON-THREATS APART FROM MAHITO! Hanami had the misfortune of only ever being shown fighting Todo and Yuji (at least it was an actual fight).

I didn't take mha seriously in war arc Lack of deaths No atmospheric war vibe And no intensity But shibuya incident got me at edge of my seat The shocking deaths of civilians and characters The animation The fights The destruction of shibuya The arc storyline And the atmosphere It's a 10/10

I just finished JJK's Shibuya incident arc. Man that was nuts. I was just shocked about Nanami and nobara. I liked how choso changed sides

The thing about the shibuya incident was exactly what the name said incident meaning something is coming that's going to be crazy especially with kenjacho sus activities. And people are so desensitized to death you need it to feel something, and that's a little scary you don't experience it on a consistent basis or deal with psychopaths with Narssasistic syndrome these are kids if that are dealing with 15 year old minds.

i feel like ppl miss the point in JJK’s constant death and killing of characters in that, the whole nature of jujutsu sorcery is more so about the strong/competent surviving and what it truly means to be strong. As well as the value of humanity in our characters. Both the deaths of heroes and villains show this in my opinions and that’s why i think a lot of the deaths work except for one death in the manga.

Honestly u couldnt b more wrong death isnt about stakes or consequence, its about the vacuum of despair it leaves. Nanami, nobara, or the disaster curses had 0 vacuum it was all on the fly. Twice left hawks in a state where he was prepared to let himself die to toga to repent because even he knew he killed a good guy who was forced n2 this lifestyle. It also made society see more of the gray area, that heroes will kill as long as it benefits what theyre going for(later reinforced by nagant). midnight resulted aizawa and mic depression, ashido maturing but also being conflicted on morals when seeing said killer, and its the first time those kids have to cope with death. In jjk after nobara and nanami died its a brief moment and its pretty much never mentioned by anyone other than itadori and megumi. Same with higaruma, yuki, and anyone else lol

It's ironic because JJK has the same problem. You bring up mahito killing characters when he only killed, Nanami, Jyupei, Nobara and I cared about none of them. Even the fanbase agrees both Nanami and Nobara are underdeveloped characters. Like you said with Midnight we barely spent any time with them and barely know anything about them, we only get Nobara's backstory for her death. Saying nothing really changes from the war or matters is insane when it literally changed the story entirely. Overall it's MHA's best arc.

MHA has more well written and enjoyable characters that stick around through the story. I love the parallels and foils dynamics between them like Shouto and Dabi, Ochako and Toga and Izuku and Shigaraki. Plus all these characters are good on there own and plus has more that I didn't mention. But they all play a role in the story that matters.

One line… “You are my special.”

I feel like this video all amounts to "I like one anime more than the other and so I care more about one than the other", but MHA's war arc would be flat out better if they eliminated talking it out as an option. That's what's killing it for me. The talk no jutsu crap has no place in such a huge conflict.

I think you are misunderstanding MHA story in general. MHA is not killing characters left and right just to make the protagonist stronger and better. Both stories are different and works well in their world. MHA is still good and JJK is good too. On the other hand, JJK fights were meaningless, pointless unless a character dies, on contrary MHA achieves same effect without killing. If all anime had same plot points, wouldn’t it be boring to watch??

"Main characters and fan favorites will always have a lot of plot armor" Gege: "nah, you good"

Shibuya was and will be iconic until the majority of the fan base either reads or watches the culling games arc when ever it is animated. Both set up essentially the final arcs of the series but for MHA they still have their main cast of characters and personalities that we care about and can play off of each other (unfortunately the story didn't utilize it as much as it should of) JJK has basically Yuji and Megumi left and the story suffers immensely as a result. When people say Yuji is a bad mc or not the MC its because of the story post Shibuya where he has NO ONE to really play off of and interact with. The story devolves into a generic Shonen battle manga where you just go from 1 fight to another with minimal character development or moments outside of fighting and Maki. The story feels like its just trying to match Shibuya without any of the story build up, with none of the characters, and with some of the most questionable writing decisions by Gege especially within the last arc. I was sold on this story with its promise of not being like other shonen manga but that is no longer the case unfortunately.

What a mature group of individuals. This is a great comment section.

1:46 well that had aged like milk

Shibuya isn't really a good arc. 4 of the 6 villians die, Toji is brought back but contributes nothing to the plot, Nobara dies for no reason and Yuji reaches his character conclusion in this arc, he gets practically no more development later on. Shibuya strips the rest of the story of emotional moments, character development and actual stakes. See how nobody important dies for another 100 chapters after this arc until Sukuna regains his Heian era form? The Culling games arc is super boirng, apart from a few great moments and its not suprising, when 2/3 of your villians are dead and half of the plot lines have been wrapped up

Two things I don't like about MHA's war arc are: 1. Someone of value should've actually died. 2. Shigaraki being the final villain in a sense is incredibly boring to me, as he was never interesting to me. He's just a kid who's trying to pretend to be someone else.

its just that the villains in jjk felt like they did something impactful, mahito killing nanami, killing kugisaki, heavily injuring todo, breaking yuji physicly and mentaly. while shigaraki, umm, almost killed a 60 year old? and caused eraser head to lose his leg, but nah both the 60 year old and eraser survive and are completly fine.

I thought the paranormal liberation arc was amazing imo.

So something I realized while watching the video is that while you were talking about how MHA's War Arc is failing in tension, you didn't really bring up how the Shibuya Incident was better. You sort of crammed it all in the end once you were done ranting about the War Arc. Now, I'm not trying to insult you and I agree with your opinion to an extent; however, I feel like when doing comparison videos like this it's important to make sure you compare more scene and characters from both shows rather than just primarily focusing on one for most of the time.

2:39 The thing about Gojo getting sealed raising the stakes of the story is... MHA did the same thing with All-Might during Kamino (which you do mention). That moment was _supposed_ to be the start of the downfall of hero society and it was... in the background. I don't think it has to do with the deaths either. imo it's because the villains lost. Twice died, Compress was captured, Dabi's reveal was undermined because Jeanist was alive, Toga and Spinner... were there. The PLF were all defeated. What changes because of the war, really? Heroes started quitting? Stain's whole purpose was to show that the heroes were superficial and quit the second things got real. Crime rose? It was *already* rising. That's Red Riot's whole arc! Aizawa can't erase as good as before? So, USJ but again? The prison breakout? What was stopping AFO from doing that before the war other than plot? There was 2 seasons worth of build up around Shigaraki leveling up and all this tension around not letting him get to Deku at all costs, but when he does get to Deku, Deku is able to hold his own fighting Shigaraki after only more basic training. The JJK equivalent would be if Megumi had actually been able to fight back against Toji and do more than run for his life. And yes, Shigaraki had been fighting for a while by then and was incomplete, but he should've still been leagues above a teenage boy with broken arms. Midnight's death was downright silly. I don't think any hero could've looked cool if they died because of pocket concrete, even if the audience spent 10 seasons with them. The only real consequence of MHA's war arc that wasn't already happening was the Todoroki family drama becoming public.

how the main cast of "teenagers" havent died yet is surprising thats like sending a 16 year old to war and excepting them to come back home

3:48 Dekus entire vigilante arc, multiple characters being injured, the fall of hero society and Midnights death is nothing to you?

Mahito does not seem more dangerous then shiggy

If you say you actually cared about nanami and nobara when they died you’re just lying gege doesnt know how to write his characters😭😭

Bro didn't even mention Mechamaru's death 😭 He just wanted to see Miwa

Dabi’s reveal was so obvious though, like ofc the guy who uses fire powers is related to the guy who uses fire powers