JJK's Shibuya Incident and MHA's Paranormal Liberation Front are very structurally similar arcs. While one has gone on to become pretty iconic in modern Shonen, the other is a lot more divisive. Let's find out why...
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@Laiser5 ай бұрын
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@dyoralexan93515 ай бұрын
BOTH STILL DAMN MEDIOCRE AT BEST. BOTH MHA AND JJK VILLAINS MOSTLY ARE COOKIE CUTTER TYPE OF ANTAGONIST. JJK IS ALL ABOUT STEREOTYPICAL SHONEN BATTLE MANGA. BEEN THERE DONE THAT. WHILE THE PLOT AND WORLD BUILDING ARE MID. RECENT CHAPTERS KEEP BECOMING LESS AND LESS INTERESTING SINCE GOJO GONE.
@Temonixs4 ай бұрын
MEGA SPOILER ALERT the funny thing about all of this is that in the mha manga bakugo dies, wich is a big turn in the story, but then just 20 chapters later comes back, as of right now in the last chapter of the mha manga, deku lost both of his arms, its implied that its going to be permanent
@rierasimon69087 ай бұрын
Even after all the complaints about "killing for shock value", I cant do but love how Gege really did put all of jujutsu society's weight on one man's shoulders, and in bout three hours after he is sealed half the cast is dead. Only then I think you start to understand what Gojo's figure implies and why are all of them risking their lives for a chance for him to get free
@GSenna377 ай бұрын
Not only the deaths, after gojo gets sealed, several other actions were taken such as the culling games start, the execution of yuji coming into motion again and yuta coming to japan again
@viggokozak64687 ай бұрын
What is funny is that if no one dies, there would be complains about plot armour 😂
@z-arkforce64347 ай бұрын
@@viggokozak6468 Because if anyone survived the power based version of a CoD war like the War arch in BNHA, of course there would be complains.
@kodmaster2317 ай бұрын
I’ll never completely understand the “shock value” allegations. This is fucking war, and the good guys just lost by far their most important chess piece. Obviously, they are going to take heavy losses.
@imblue51337 ай бұрын
gege when i catch you gege
@3slicessenpai5 ай бұрын
JJK actually had teeth. Yes, both war arcs end with serious social ramifications as the general population deals with the aftermath of the villains "winning", but in MHA, the heroes can rally together because almost nobody died; in JJK, it's a struggle to get back up and find a shoulder to lean on, because so many great sorcerers either die, are sealed, permanently injured, unjustly prosecuted, or bounced altogether.
@MrMagnetron22 ай бұрын
In MHA Midnight and some other no name heroes die, Eraser Head loses a leg, many heroes are notably injured, several quit, etc. In JJK it’s notably worse in its aftermath but both were still really bad Though What happened in Shi
@Unimaginative122 ай бұрын
@@MrMagnetron2I’m still mad that the reaction to midnight dying only had a panel and torino somehow lives being gutted like a fish despite being a fossil
@3slicessenpai2 ай бұрын
@@MrMagnetron2 Believe me, I was super sad when Midnight died, but call me edgy, but I think this super bloody war did not go far enough. Yes, heroes got maimed, but they return to the fight right afterwards; and most of the heroes that died were no names that we didn't really bond with aside from Midnight. Meanwhile, Gran Torino got pierced through by Shiggy and survived even though it would have been perfection to see him pass away and give the cape to Midoriya, starting his descent into the Dark Hero Deku. But nope, he's a-OK. And don't get me started on Bakugo and his death scares. JJK had death scares too, yes, but at least Gege was not afraid to gamble on losing beloved characters like Nobara and Nanami to make sure that the war felt threatening.
@OLDDOGE122 ай бұрын
@3slicessenpai Nope. That's not edgy at all, thats reasonable.
@OnceafaintstarАй бұрын
Just after the strongest is sealed, which really heightens Gojo's presence in jujutsu and how even his presence missing in this whole event managed to lead to so many casualties, and how many people devoted themselves to releasing the strongest, being the trump card of the sorcerers, which in the current manga chapters sadly makes Gojo's whole being more than a weapon or another entity than a human like the others, viewing his role as the strongest as something inhuman, incomprehensible, substantial and even "monstrous"... Just for Bakugo to casually come back even after getting pierced... *Sigh*
@wizardwolf10207 ай бұрын
Honestly, considering how Shibuya was considered an “incident” I dread what a actual war in JJK would look like
@minejack77737 ай бұрын
Geto implied Gojo could singlehandedly eliminate all non sorcerer life on earth, so if that's HIS peak, we can reasonably assume that, yeah, it'd end all life on earth easily
@collenjets1237 ай бұрын
@@minejack7773 thats mostly by virtue of the fact nothing humans have could actually hit gojo, and his power being infinite thanks to being able to constantly reset his technique's stamina, he could basically just blow up every country if he wanted.
@minejack77737 ай бұрын
@@collenjets123 My point is that "if the single strongest sorcerer could do that, multiple lesser sorcerers could as well". Geto himself was on his way to getting to that level, so just by general scaling using statements made by other sorcs, it'd make sense that an all out war would end all human life
@saulgoodmansfingerr85276 ай бұрын
Are you an incident because you happened in shibuya? Or are you shibuya because you had an incident?
@cassiopee20726 ай бұрын
I agree with you but I also think it's a matter of translation, in French for example, the Shibuya incident is called "le drame de Shibuya" and "drame" has a much more negative connotation, a "drame" is a disaster whereas an incident feels more neutral. And from my (brief) research and what I've heard on the subject, the word for incident in Japanese "jiken" seems to often be used in relation with disasters, like murder cases, terrorist events or war events like the "Nanjing incident" for example.. Sorry for such a long message when in reality your message is right, an actual war in jjk would be absolutely terrifying if Shibuya is just an isolated case
@zachlap30207 ай бұрын
The end of the shibuya incident arc (atleast in the anime so far) is probably the best turning point I’ve ever seen in anime. You see all the disaster curses, sukuna himself, geto, etc fighting the jujutsu sorcerers and going full carnage mode. And what cements this arc at the end is the real world consequence of what happened. We see how gojo was judged accomplice to the incident, we see the chaos that will remain for long in the whole of Japan. But most of all we see our protagonist, Itadori Yuuji get sentenced to death and his executioner is none other then the protagonist of the jjk movie, another really strong sorcerer that we have grown to love.
@wizardwolf10207 ай бұрын
Yeah, especially when the anime takes time to showcase the environmental change during and after Shibuya. We see and feel the utter devastation that came in the wake of Sukuna, Jogo, and Mahoraga as the primary culprits for all the destruction. Not only in how messed up the streets and buildings look, but also by just how dead everything is. There’s little working street lights with fires littered around the place, the occasional blood splatters among the wrecked cars and buildings with even a portion of Shibuya being reduced to a giant wasteland of a crater that can be seen from space. That all made me feel the utter bleakness and depression of the situation more than everything MHA’s war arc tried to sell because the ATMOSPHERE made it all the more darker as opposed to MHA lighter and more colorful atmosphere which just makes things look like generic destruction. Then there’s just how quite things become afterwards as you see the parts of Japan that AREN’T destroyed yet they’re equally as quiet and empty as Shibuya, showing how the terror of Shibuya has caused everyone to hide as things got worse with that scene of the two women getting eaten by a curse in a sort of jump scare moment showing that even then when they hide in buildings, they’re not safe anymore.
@justinjakeashton7 ай бұрын
You discount the part where Mahito killed at least 1000 people.@@wizardwolf1020
@charles_teak7 ай бұрын
That kind of realism in JJK got me hooked. Not too much, but also not too few.
@charles_teak7 ай бұрын
@@wizardwolf1020The way you say it makes me think that MHA tried to mix the light vibe with dark vibe but failed and went full family friendly. JJK however, succeeded. We saw some gags in earlier arcs but at some point there are serious moments. It's well placed.
@ggwp638BC7 ай бұрын
@@charles_teak MHA started off with some very nice ideas. It had a dystopian world and All Might, the hero society, even UA, were not meant to be looked up towards. It had this light tone vibe but it did not shy away from showing how these kids were essentially in-training child soldiers who would grow up to be sent into an industry that favored media attention and marketability. And then Hori (or Editor-san) decided to hard shift the series into full pandering mode and turn everything into a fan wank.
@jttimothy7087 ай бұрын
Another key factor when analyzing Shibuya is taking into consideration how many of the villains were killed off compared to the heroes. Overall, I view the Shibuya arc as a win for the villains, but only slightly. When you consider that the bad guys lost Mahito, Jogo, Hanami, Dagon, Haruta, Choso (switched sides) and, to an extent, Toji, it really makes the deaths of Nanami, Nobara, Naobito, Todo (in terms of his CT), and the capture of Gojo feel earned. This was a true war arc in which sacrifices had to be made for the heroes to prevail, and they still couldn’t take out Kenjaku, Urarame, and Sukuna.
@salamanderhillbillyweasel16297 ай бұрын
least daddy todo was spared. Handless better than headless. Also Inumaki lost both his arms due to sukuna v jogo fight
@joesmit97667 ай бұрын
On top of that, at least 50,000 civilians were killed and the story treats it like a HUGE deal
@crunchybutttero72837 ай бұрын
@@salamanderhillbillyweasel1629no it was sukuna versus mahoraga because sukuna cast his domain and it reached inumakis arm
@salamanderhillbillyweasel16297 ай бұрын
@@crunchybutttero7283 rip my bad its badly explained in the anime
@tomw49557 ай бұрын
I mean mahito was absorbed so his power is conserved isnt it?
@kag25767 ай бұрын
I'm really surprised MHA never had one of Class A die, especially in this arc. Like the cast is so massive it can afford to lose one or at the very least have one suffer a major scar/long-lasting injury. The story wants to do a 'now things have gotten more dire than ever' moment but never commits to hit by applying it to our protagonists.
@welshcrusade15627 ай бұрын
Kill off Mineta, cause I hate that fucking toilet seat of a man
@halfknight23107 ай бұрын
yeah. even just some random. just enough to show this isn't some joke. hell. why not have one or die during the USJ or even camp. to show, this is no simple hero show. hell. they kept saying izuku would lose the use of his arms if he kept breaking it. why not have him lose one of his arms during the war arc.
@bobaorc78397 ай бұрын
Because the publisher is a greedy coward. Think about how much money just one of those characters is worth in merchandising. Bakugou dying in a way that leaves his arc unresolved would be an emotional gutpunch if done right.
@kag25767 ай бұрын
@@bobaorc7839 I guess, but other series have gotten away with selling merch for characters that have had stuff happen to them so I don't think it's an excuse e.g. Re:Zero and Rem being probably the most merchandised character despite what ended up happening to her.
@charles_teak7 ай бұрын
@@bobaorc7839Idk man, if one of my fav characters died I'd buy as much merch/stuff related to them *just because* I _miss_ them.
@OurDarkGoldenHero7 ай бұрын
I'd agree with you if I weren't so far into the manga. I'm not lauding being a "manga reader" over anime-only watchers, but Gege's formula effectively trained me to not care about anyone living or dying. In fact, it makes it so that I'm cheering for the villain because everything's just tipped into his favor. MHA doesn't make use of killing off their cast of characters impactful enough, and ironically, after the Shibuya Arc, so does JJK.
@mohammadjunaid26837 ай бұрын
The not caring for the heroes and cheering for the villains is honestly true. Even a big reactor (JAMIUWU ) was saying things like "should Maybe I should start rooting for sukuna, atleast that way I won't feel hurt" after the nobara death (i think). Mha has no deaths that are impactful, we didnt know nighteye for long enough to cry over him and midnight could have been impactful but they didn't even show her corpse let alone her dying, they just showed her broken glasses and Class A students crying over her. So rn I'm pretty numb when it comes to death In both the series. Jjk kills So many people that idc anymore, whereas Mha just doesn't kill characters that I'd be sad over (Gran Torino, Hawks, Endeavor & even All might for that matter).
@kamelo22197 ай бұрын
I like how characters can and will die to the villains in jjk it means that each fight really feels like it could go either way.
@NFLDRAFT20187 ай бұрын
@@mohammadjunaid2683the payoff is when the antagonist finally lose. A few characters dying doesn’t mean Sukuna will win. They’ve been building up Yuji from the beginning for a reason
@OurDarkGoldenHero7 ай бұрын
@NFLDRAFT2018 Yeah, but the problem is that (SPOILERS) Sukuna became so mind-numbingly powerful that I just can't accept him losing. Like, okay, depending on what Gege has built up, maybe I can accept certain answers. But it just won't be easy to accept.
@AllThingsEntertaining7 ай бұрын
@@kamelo2219 Killing off important characters to show that the stakes are high is a pretty legitimate way of conveying that the situation they're in is real to not just the characters within the show, but to the audience. Too many shows either pull back, or if a character does die, they're either brought back by some shonen miracle only available within that universe, or the characters were too minor to begin with. I'm not saying that killing off minor characters can't have a significant weight attached, and nor am I saying that resurrecting a character after a conflict is inherently bad, but when you see it enough times, it takes the winds out of the sails.
@tyrannosaurusbecs25717 ай бұрын
Something that I found interesting about JJk is how they treat the character Jogo. I had a realization during the arc that we had really only seen him fight Gojo and with the difference in power he ended up being a bit of a joke. We did not take him as seriously. So when he appeared to the other sorcerers and just obliterated them, it was a reminder of how powerful and dangerous he actually was. It was also another reminder of how much the sorcerers need Gojo. That arc was so good and after reading the manga I was so so excited about seeing it all in action and finally animated. I do not have those same feelings about MHA
@inkkimilo7 ай бұрын
Same as in manga right now Sukuna didn’t come out that much but ppl think he can easy take down by a few cast, like WHAT? the king of curse live for 1000yr only to take down so easy by a few cast in a few chapter??😂
@sebas82257 ай бұрын
Jogoat literally was born strong because of Gojo
@nnightkingj7 ай бұрын
Even that showed nothing to me tbh because they were all already beaten up by another special grade curse and were caught off guard. Now I'm not saying they'd have stood a chance regardless but that particular scene doesn't really sell his strength to me either
@charles_teak7 ай бұрын
@@inkkimiloSukuna actually lives up to his name so yeah
@Nagoya_Chicken7 ай бұрын
@@nnightkingjbro what? Jogoat will speedblitzed those f*ckers
@JDubs14647 ай бұрын
Something about Shibuya is every major moment can be built up by a question. What is Toji going to do with his return? He shows in Dagon’s domain. Where is the Kyoto High cast? Todo shows up to help fight Mahito. The big moments come as a result of payoff of the questions readers may ask
@grayve21227 ай бұрын
Toji killed him self like 1 episode later
@hathucquan53507 ай бұрын
@@grayve2122With the implication that he has no more purpose to stay alive because his pleas with Gojo did go through years ago. It was a brief ass-whooping, but it was a good brief ass-whooping.
@Sergio-wm5du7 ай бұрын
@@grayve2122did you not watch the episode??
@grayve21227 ай бұрын
@@Sergio-wm5du i did man what do you mean?
@nichescenes7 ай бұрын
Sadly i see hot takes online where people said its overhyped and they dropped it early cause they didnt answer questions fast enough aka they couldnt wait one episode to get their questions answered like you said and got angry. Also they think fighting doesnt tell a story when it does. Its too subtle even when its not.
@derpyVfoxoX67 ай бұрын
I didn't realize the mha arc did bad for me it was awesome until after the battle it slows down way to much and the big fight between deku and shigaraki was way to brief
@Bildnow.7 ай бұрын
thats fine i think the main point is mha's war can be more forgettable due to lack of tension or impact
@ayush92027 ай бұрын
Except for Midnight death no important character has suffered any type of permanent injury. Every student who doesn't even have half a year of experience survived Gigantomachia. No one in MHA suffered any direct impact of this huge war.
@jasonjones33287 ай бұрын
@@ayush9202 Hawks had his wings burned by Dabi and got a scar, Gran Torino was donuted and put into the hospital, Bakugo was skewered and we see scars from that in the bath scene, Mirko lost a leg, and Aizawa lost a leg and an eye.
@senalirving7 ай бұрын
@@ayush9202 besides midnight's death and eraser head and mirio losing body parts and the deaths of villains who were victims of society. And hawks suffered greatly physically and internally. Losing his wings. There was definitely impact from the war. I do wish there was a few more deaths in it. But the character growth in the characters makes it up for me. I'll take that over the random pointless deaths that get much worse in jjk.
@ayush92027 ай бұрын
@@jasonjones3328 i said any permanent and significant effects of war. Hawks wings grew back to full, and Mirko and Bakugo ware back to full health after less than 1 month. Aizawa never lost eyes he was using it against shigarakai in current arc. And Gran tarino should have been dead. He was more seriously injured Midnight but for some reason author killed Midnight but not Gran Tarino
@Megumi-dz1mm7 ай бұрын
Midnight's death hit me harder cuz I read the Vigilantes spin-off prequel manga. Her and Eraser Head play a huge part in that.
@gunswordfist6 ай бұрын
I still need to read that! I've heard nothing but good things.
@QuantumLex7 ай бұрын
One of the things I love about Hunter x Hunter, is how real the stakes are. Thing is, the stakes are not society breaking, world ending ones (save for one in particular, but that one comes in the later part of HxH). The stakes are proving one self, facing your demons, being able to grow as a character, and the fun part is, characters actually fail constantly, making it feel so damn powerful when they do fail, and so damn satisfying when they prevail. I really liked MHA, but if you are going to have a "war" and can't kill anyone, then just, don't have one. people die in wars, those are the stakes. If you cant come through that, or can't shift the focus to how war affects people and have the stakes be how characters are affected by what they are forced to do (like what they did with Endevor), then why have one in the first place. I understand that MHA is not a dark show, but if it's not, why go to dark places if you can't actually go through. You don't need to kill the cast, but if there are no real stakes in anything they do, whats the point.
@6pathuser3447 ай бұрын
Never felt like there were any stakes in HxH except in the chimera ant arc
@3dsmaster5377 ай бұрын
One great part of HxH is when Gon and Killua try to get put on the Chimera Ant mission in NGL. Knuckle and Shoot say its too dangerous for them, but will allow it if they can beat them. You expect the duo to figure something out or use teamwork to win in a typical shonen way, but they actually lose. And both of them really beat themselves up about it afterwards. There's a lot of stake in it since Gon is still worried for Kite, and doesn't even know he's dead yet. I love that HxH isnt obsessed with making their protagonist the strongest in the verse, they are just a piece in a bigger world.
@anusaukko67927 ай бұрын
@@6pathuser344 Bro slept through the series lmfao
@chookki7 ай бұрын
For me it’s the fact midnight died but it’s like no one in the mha universe cared, no flashbacks to relieve the time she was alive from her coworkers or maybe her family or even a funeral, nada.
@natman29397 ай бұрын
@@6pathuser344York new and greed island both felt like they had stakes to me. Heck so did the hunter exam itself
@lazreyes7 ай бұрын
I found this interesting, many people in the war arc do DIE, and are SHOWN. There are a lot of impactful moments in the manga that when released people were scared. However, I think the problem is that the anime adaptation is at fault. The composition was cheerful, the art direction was awful. The animation was EXTREMELY LACKLUSTER. It got hit with the backfire of COVID on the industry. Jujutsu Kaisen's adaptation was the opposite, while yes killing off main characters can be impactful, it can also just be a little TOO MUCH, when every single character turns out to just be a plot device so that itadori can become a little more angry, It starts to dullen the impact of a main side character depth. However, the staff of JJK were EXTREMELY PASSIONATE about the series, in the anime they added SO MANY NEW SCENES that showed the destruction of the city, the danger of curses ect. ect. Honestly i think that both jjk are on opposite sides of the spectrum, neither one better than the other. TLDR: the staff at bones fumbled where the INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE at jjk didn't (FUCK MAPPA)
@subzero85207 ай бұрын
I disagree with your point on the jjk part considering that he was only mad about junpeis and nanamis death which were both pretty far apart in terms of time. And then there was kugusakis death and the deaths of many of shibuya just broke him. If you think the side characters’ only purpose is the make Yuji more powerful, then you just don’t understand the characters
@lazreyes7 ай бұрын
@@subzero8520 I think you are right, I did not mean that the ONLY point of side characters were to make him more "Powerful". I just think there is less impact in deaths when it happens so often. For example, he mentions fakeout deaths, when kugusaki gets her face blown off and they straight up say next episode "SHE MIGHT LIVE"? Is that not kinda a fakeout death, not like i have any problem with it. I just want to point out the fact that it shouldnt BE a problem. "manga spoilers" Choso just got stabbed through his chest by both hands. JJK fans did not really react in a shocked way. This death isnt going to have a huge impact. And if he doesnt die, well, we can easily compare it to the "huge sin" of bakugo getting impaled being a fakeout death. My point is both series is good, trying to find a complex reason why mha war arc wasnt very impactful is useless. The fact is, bones did not care nor try as hard as the jjk staff team did. They fumbled.
@palemeadows7 ай бұрын
@@lazreyeswdym didnt react. people are sobbing rn. i think youre missing the point. in a war you expect people to die, after the shock, we expect it. it still fuckinf hurts. but thats life. lets be realistic. yuji should be dead and i hope he dies. SORRY! he shoukd be with nobara and megumi, if they dont come back.
@lazreyes7 ай бұрын
@@jojobod Yeah, sure, man. Like the fakeout when choso pierced itadori's liver and chopped his shoulder down. My point is fakeout deaths are fine, they aren't something to get upset about. The thing we should really never compare is how good each series "is" because how good something is, is relative.
@I.A.D.7 ай бұрын
@@lazreyes The problem with fakeout deaths with MHA is that it overuses it. To the point where people are starting to just get pissed off. And, I don't think you realize that Itadori did almost die. A better example of a fakeout would be earlier in the series when Itadori did actually die, but Sukuna kept him alive. This wasn't that bad, since JJK doesn't overuse it. But, for MHA... It is a different story. The amount of fakeouts for Bakugo's death have been absolutely insane, and leaves me dissapointed.
@Lou-dj7ce7 ай бұрын
MHA and JJK are so different though. Shibuya arc is more like the Kamino for JJK. It sets the ground from the upcoming act, while the War Arc is more of a central Act introduction. Not going to spoil, but this becomes very evident when you read ahead in both series. The Shibuya arc sets ground work for Yuuji to grow while ridding of so many characters to ease the writing, almost like an Origin story. MHA focuses more on the message and how to define each individual conflict for a final showdown. The series are so different to compare and I enjoy them both differently.
@clovercalloway6 ай бұрын
So true ❤ I really like both in their own ways so I was surprised to learn that people are making comparison (sometimes to trash one series or the other). But if we have to, I do like the comparison to Kamino, it's kinda more fitting.
@user-lq7nq1dg8uАй бұрын
An actual intelligent comment
@vincegalila72117 ай бұрын
I'd argue that the War arc and the Shibuya are, are two fundamentally different points in their respective stories. The former marks the finale and the latter a major lasting change in the status quo.
@Chris-rj4bt7 ай бұрын
Exactly, if anything Shibyua is more like Mha’s Forest Training/Hideout Raid Arc. I would argue Mha did it far better than JJK too
@vincegalila72117 ай бұрын
@@Chris-rj4bt in either case it'd probably be more accurate to compare the current ongoing arc in JK to the War arc. Which wouldn't be fair as the former is not finished.
@maxche12857 ай бұрын
@@Chris-rj4bt I was looking for someone saying exactly this in the comments. I really think Shibuya should be compared to the Kamino incident rather than the War Arc, and Horikoshi handled All Might's situation way better than Gege handled Gojo's
@Chris-rj4bt7 ай бұрын
@@maxche1285 Yeah that arc is far better than Shibyua imo with way better emotional peaks. The lasting impact of the arc on the world is far better than what is done with JJK on the manga imo
@Chris-rj4bt7 ай бұрын
@@vincegalila7211 Even then I think Mha is trying to do more with its characters and world than what JJK is doing currently. But the current JJK arc has been way more fun than the Mha war arc
@al_alemania7 ай бұрын
They're both Shonen but that's where the similarities end as both shows have completely different central themes and philosophies as shown through both arcs as MHA is about the breaking point of hero society and all the filth that was being hidden by that society as said by Shigaraki as it questions the ideals and morality of heroes with it's aftermath.
@LovElieLovElie7 ай бұрын
you such an og pal
@muntu12217 ай бұрын
That's also what JJK is about. It's about the breakdown of artificial societal standards. Cursed energy literally rots society as it leaks out of humans, and the strongest sorcerers all collectively either hate or aren't accepted by Jujutsu Society. Jujutsu High has collapsed, all the Big Three are falling apart, etc. And this is all shown with Gojo. He was the pillarv of society, and we're seeing the results of him being removed. Rather, he was a damn holding back a flood, and the pressure has built up too much.
@LovElieLovElie7 ай бұрын
@@muntu1221 then this is worst than i thought ,you're calling jjk pale enhanced copy of mha For adhd people (since mha is older and the buildup is fast) please don't compare the two you might get hurt
@muntu12217 ай бұрын
@@LovElieLovElie Yeah, no. Stories being similar doesn't mean the older one is better. Also, "copy" implies they have the same story when I'm talking about themes. Don't try to go blow for blow about writing with me, or _you_ might get hurt.
@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord7 ай бұрын
@@muntu1221i dont think jjk is about how societal issues i mean it has bit of that but idk thats the main thing. I mean cured spirts cant even interact with most of the population and most of the population dont know about cursed spirts to decisions amoung them is non existence. The story is about cursed spirts and jujutsu sorcerers. And they exist outside society really they kind of do there own thing.
@MekeelWit7 ай бұрын
Everyone seems to be forgetting about Twice’s death, wasn’t that like actually emotional and feeling bad for villain etc.
@sqtski7 ай бұрын
Lmao he's not gonna point out anything positive let him fit his petty narrative. But twice was more relevant than anyone who died in shitbuya 💀
@DromusTH7 ай бұрын
Who the hell cares about Twice that serial killer had it coming.
@MekeelWit7 ай бұрын
@@DromusTH well u clearly don't care, and that's fine, but your missing some very key themes in MHA then. That's a very black and white view point, when the world is more gray than simply good and bad. Something important to consider in this show. If you didn't understand that after watching 6 seasons of the show. 1. Pay more attention to the story 2. Improve on your literary understanding on themes. If you just want a fist fight and shouting with heat moments thats understandable too and im glad you found your piece of media. To each their own. tl;dr : just read what i wrote, it'll prove my point if u read this first.
@Pipehiguita7 ай бұрын
@@sqtski In your dreams maybe, Nanami is a million times more relevant than that ridiculous villain
@ade11747 ай бұрын
He mentions in the video that Twice's death is the most impactful death of the war arc because we got to know him well in My Villain Academia. It's the heroes' deaths he has a problem with because we barely get to know Crust and Midnignt.
@superblanco4447 ай бұрын
two different types of manga. My hero is all about hope while JJK is all about despair.
@yohobin7 ай бұрын
Then maybe MHA shouldn't do a war arc then...??
@TanvirAhmed-bz2ox7 ай бұрын
@@yohobinyea maybe they shouldn’t
@illmat1c427 ай бұрын
@@yohobin ???, they can do a war arc, it’s just going to have a difference in implications. Gege likes to kill off many characters before they culminate in any sort of arc, leaving just potential. I didn’t feel anything when Nobara died, or mechamaru, or mostly anyone except for Nanami, because he actually had something we saw in the prior season that made his death impactful.
@superblanco4447 ай бұрын
@@yohobin I don’t think you get what I’m saying. You can clearly still have conflicts within a story. While MHA is about hope it also shows the flaws of the hero society the ones that fall through the cracks that end up being a villain. The only thing that both war arcs have in common is that it happens after the strongest in their world leave the playin field.
@whyamistillhere32587 ай бұрын
I mean they can both do a war Arc, but their main goal would just be different. JJK would go the route of “the world is a cruel place, nothing you love with stay, that’s that and this is this.” While mha is going with “despite war is cruel and we lost many people, there is still hope in different places”
@michaelplushproductions46547 ай бұрын
Personally, I think both the War Arc and the Shibuya Incident Arc accomplished what they were intended to do. In MHA, the War Arc was the breaking point in society, and it effectively set in motion and laid the building blocks for the Second War Arc which is my favorite arc by far. It's wrapping up every loose end and bringing some awesome fights and turns. I think Shibuya was also amazing, but it went about it a different way. Curses aren't known to the entire world like Quirks are so you can't really compare the 2's climaxes like this. While I agree that Shibuya did do somethings better, I think that the War Arc did one thing better that was pretty important, and it was not killing significant characters off for what felt like no reason. I remember when Nobara died, I though, "That was pretty unnecessary." I've always had a problem with JJK killing characters constantly, most recently with Gojo, Kashimo, Choso, and Higurama. Both were incredible arcs and laid down many questions for how the story would progress and what will the protagonists do with the villains in a beneficial position though and I love both series a lot.
@Noritoshichoso7 ай бұрын
Choso isnt dead
@michaelplushproductions46547 ай бұрын
@@Noritoshichoso no idea whether or not he died in that chapter but I just assumed he died
@Noritoshichoso7 ай бұрын
@@michaelplushproductions4654 nope he isnt dead you probably only see the panel and skips the dialoges
@michaelplushproductions46547 ай бұрын
@@Noritoshichoso ?? The official Shonen translation says "Wanna race, you brat?", followed by Choso saying, "He disappeared!" then being impaled. The text doesn't tell you anything, it's left to the reader's assumption
@Noritoshichoso7 ай бұрын
@@michaelplushproductions4654 probably you are talking prevoius chapter read chapter 247
@joelogbamichael71777 ай бұрын
You're mostly right, until you read the manga of jjk and realise that Gege just loves Sukuna way too much, he's basically the main character with how much the plot bends to his will.
@rodrigo_tm7 ай бұрын
Way better than having the plot favor the heroes every time tbh, adds to the tension
@thefarmer65417 ай бұрын
Jesus gojo fanboys are so salty, gojo had to lose for the plot, it's not the story bending to sukunas will it's just basic story telling, if gojo beat sukuna jjk ends nothing else, gojo can kill kenjacku with ease and no character arcs get solved, and yuji does nothing kashimo yuta and every other character does nothing. It would be bad writing to let gojo win he had to lose for the plot to continue.
@joelogbamichael71777 ай бұрын
@@thefarmer6541 Actual insanity ehat you just wrote, if Gojo has to lose because of the plot then that just means that it is bad writing. Gojo not immediately killing Uraume, Kenjaku and Sukuna when he escaped from the prison realm is bad writing. You can't say that Gojo has to lose because of the plot and then proceed to say that it would be bad writing to let him win, you're advocating for lazy writing and stupid decisions.
@potheadraccoon85367 ай бұрын
its not even that bruh gege pulled a madara with sukuna thats gonna backfire on him pretty hard@@thefarmer6541
@TheDeadlyBlueWolf7 ай бұрын
Because Sukuna is literally the last big bad of the series. Literally everybody of any threat level is dead at this point.
@apollopeak94057 ай бұрын
Though I understand the complaint of feeling a lack of stakes due to lack of death. Story wise the stakes are there. In every other arc the hero’s never lost and faith in the hero’s was there. However this also held up the complicated and flawed hero system. However this arc though the hero’s got the jump on the villains there plan completely failed and they lost. Endeavor was exposed the hero system crumbled as some gave up and the people lost faith. The city was completely chaotic. Story wise we’ve never seen the lack of faith in the hero’s like this. The villains completely exposed the flawed system. Plus this wasn’t technically the “war arc” but a failed mission. The war arc is what’s happening in the manga and this failed mission set up the stakes for how dangerous the villains truly are. Also the fact of the matter is mha is just a more light hearted show. Story wise the arc works however I can understand not feeling it as much cuz the show is more light hearted.
@ahmadfarishbinfaisalhamdi15487 ай бұрын
I want to add here because im also an animator in training so i like to analyze stories and see what i can apply to my future work as wel. I think the problem MHA war Arc that i do agree is how certain characters purpose in the story is not truely define like how JJK treats their characters. In Shibuya, When characters start getting killed one by one its not just for shock value or just "Throwing away some characters to be safe emotionally on the audience", Gege picks the characters with character arcs that are halted like Nanami or Characters with no true future goal but still is a deeply meaningful person to the main character and the Audience like Nobara. It spares no one but at the same time gives characters their end and give meaning to their ends, showing that there is consequences to the actions of these characters. In MHA war arc everyone that dies wasn't properly build up, and the ones would would make sense to leave the story doesn't. Even if u dont want to kill them it would make sense to put some of these heroes out of commission so that when the Vigilante arc happens, it does feel like the heroes give up. All in All, both are pretty good but i do feel like Shibuya has been well written compared to MHA war arc. Thank u for reading if u do manage to get to this point :3
@Nonagon_Appraise7 ай бұрын
Nobara does have a future goal, to meet with fumi and saori together... 😢😢
@mangamandrew7 ай бұрын
Yeah, none of the heroes in the war got out out of commission except for Aizawa and Hran Torino. Then there was Hawks who was permanently crippled.
@ahmadfarishbinfaisalhamdi15487 ай бұрын
@@mangamandrew Hahahaa i think i detect ure sarcasm but it does actually remind me, I actually realised they made a point to say that a lot of the heroes quit during the arc. I actually didn’t realise that fact because it was more towards the side characters that are actual heroes. Most of the teacher stayed, all students we know are still actively trying to be heroes and the pro heroes like Hawks, Endeavor and best jeanist are still fighting crime. However there we’re actually a lot of heroes who died or quit, I personally just dont feel the impact of them quitting
@mangamandrew7 ай бұрын
@@ahmadfarishbinfaisalhamdi1548 Well to be fair, we did have one well known hero that quit, Death Arms. And that felt impactful to me because while he was a minor character, we saw that he actually cared about helping people and being a hero and him leavening showed the strain society was on. And while we have all the characters we know still fighting, we see that they still had trouble dealing with the villains. The fact that the heroes were unable to round up all the escaped vilians was proof for why we need so many heroes in the first place.
@avid42887 ай бұрын
Killing Nobara is literally for shock value
@ZEKENATOR65393 ай бұрын
So people complain about mha of how no one dies, and people complain about jjk about too many people dying. Got it
@NEON694203 ай бұрын
But most of the deaths were after Shibuya incident
@Bobplushie666Ай бұрын
It’s less complaining about too many dying and more the gojo simps having a straight up stroke cuz he became go/jo -also cuz losing everyone in the cast but like 4 people is devastating-
@Nebula_Tv5 ай бұрын
Im gonna be 100% I feel people who have read and or watched MHA and got to the "war" arc really understand what it was meant to do. I dont even consider it a war arc it feels more like a raid like how it was with overhaul. I do think it couldve been more darker with more heros losing their life, however it did perfectly because it showed just how much the hero society was crumbling... With some heroes beinf exposed tfor who they truly are like Endeavor (who got exposed to the whole world), then we have heroes who lost their lives (crust, midnight, and probably others but most probablt were offsceeen), then we get to see effects of the raid like how literally 90% of Heroes of Japan retired/quit because they couldnt handle the villians no more (because their not powerful enough to do so, and becuase they dont want to), or how many heroes were injured beyond repair with, Deku basically in a coma, bakugou bleeding out, endeavor was badly hurt, and gran torino all in the hosptial, and mirko now losing her arm and leg, then we have the decline in trust of the heroes by the public (as development of it was shown in season 7 or vigilante dekus story arc). The pure difference between both of these Arcs is that Jjk technically had the Heroes still win, though with a cost of many lives, and then MHA basically has the villians win with a lot more costs like the almost all hero giving up, some heroes losing their lives, the repuation of the hero society declining, Im sorry as much as i enjoyed the shibuya arc the MHA war/shigaraki war arc was better and it by no means failed.
@tastylynx5 ай бұрын
Heros did not win in jjk. They were not able to save gojo and everything went according to getos plan.
@NavieNavira5 ай бұрын
@@tastylynx Yeah, idk what version of JJK this person saw. But like- Gojo stayed sealed. Nanami who was a top 5 sorcerer was killed. Thousands of curses were released. Thousands of curse users were created. And Kenjaku/Geto, the mastermind of the whole thing, escaped unharmed and with Mahito's power absorbed into his. Not to mention millions lost their lives and both the mayor and prime minister of Japan are missing. Plus the Japanese economy is crashing. On all accounts the heroes lost in JJK. They were beaten outright and Geto is now basically opposition free if you don't count Sukuna and possibly Yuta. I don't think I've ever seen heroes lose so badly. Their only victory was getting rid of Jogo before Geto absorbed him too. And even that was a side objective for Geto. Also, Sukuna, who's a villain with his own agenda killed Jogo. So it technically wasn't even the heroes who did it.
@user-em8yf6nq1r5 ай бұрын
El que salio de la alcantarilla:
@theastronaut67862 күн бұрын
What Jjk you were reading buddy? Heroes did NOT won 😂
@hitokirij7 ай бұрын
I can’t agree about the war arc being forgettable. There are moments I will never forget same with the Shibuya arc. For example: Shigaraki decaying an entire city, Kirishima being clutch as usual, Kaminari saving a squad of heroes with his quirk, Aizawa cutting of his leg, Endeavor showing how much of a beast he is fighting solo against Shigaraki without getting touched once physically and etc- deaths? Not so much. Tbh if I didn’t have manga spoilers I wouldn’t have realized Midnight died.
@motor4X4kombat6 ай бұрын
If they don't have top tier demon slayer animation then they are not memorable....
@Roy-sr6gs6 ай бұрын
I already forgot everything that happened in the War Arc lol
@sleeplesscartoonist6 ай бұрын
Yea I agree with u except midnights death did make me sad not for the right reasons. not cause I liked her so much but cause she was under utilized til her final moments
@jeffali51576 ай бұрын
The kirishima and kaminari part were very much forgettable, especially midnight. the rest though I agree
@hitokirij6 ай бұрын
@@jeffali5157 To each their own. Not sure how they’re forgettable moments though, they’re the culmination of story beats of those characters and explicitly moments where they get to shine. Can’t really forget Mina almost getting turned into ground beef and Kirishima not only saving her but throwing the sedative before himself getting smashed into the ground. The heroes leading the charge also all would have been fried if not for Kaminari rushing to the front to act as a lightning rod. Just cause it ain’t the MC and his bffs don’t mean it ain’t hype. I’d honestly have to argue that if that’s forgettable then yall don’t be watching anime fr and forget a lot of shit.
@TripisEpic7 ай бұрын
I find it funny how Gege and Horikoshi are actually friends, maybe they shoud learn from each other...
@motor4X4kombat6 ай бұрын
Kishinoto and oda are also friends but they also never learn from each other to make their works better. They do this for fun, not to please a bunch of virgin aholes. To quote stan lee: "If you want to tell a story tell it to please yourself. Not to please others"
@zenqclair6 ай бұрын
blud stop yapping ong 🗣🔥💯@@motor4X4kombat
@Dr._Atom5 ай бұрын
Funny, this video implies the latter should learn from the former
@angstyteen60425 ай бұрын
@@motor4X4kombat Calm down bro. No one's getting offended here but you. As consumers were allowed to criticize their product. That doesn't make us "Virgin aholes"
@CalamitySage5 ай бұрын
@@motor4X4kombat Kisimoto and Oda Did Learn and Help Each Other. Kisimoto Helped Oda With Doffy When Oda Was sick. Oda even asked Kisimoto if he could borrow some things for Choji and use it for Luffy. More Specifically Pre Timeskip Luffy Like at Enies Lobby and MarineFord. And Armament Haki was inspired by Frog Kata Another Naruto Ability.
@zabirdy1817 ай бұрын
I think Horikoshi was not prepared for how loved (And demanded) MHA would get when the manga was published and perhaps as well due to the nature of the manga industry, that if a story kicks off well that means it will most likely be forced to last as long as possible for the money to keep raining in, besides that Horikoshi simply had good concepts and ideas but lacks the corage to, as you said, take risks, have consequences, we're still stuck at Deku's monologue introduction and it is ironic that the very firsts episodes foretold the story's main and greatest flaw with Allmight's hair method, the story still sells but that's that. Meanwhile Gege has had a clear idea and image of his story since practically the beginning, He doesn't care what the fans of the story think about him, (The good, the bad and the horrendous) he doesn't care he has basically traumatized an entire audience Berserk style, he is here to tell the tragedy of a broken system that perpetuates a neverending cycle of death, destruction and despair, it's victims and the flawed, self-destructive mentality of selflessness at the cost of the individual and how those most selfish actually succeed in life, he sticks to his guns and to top it all of he does it in a way that WORKS, the story is edgy done right, you love the villians, you love the heroes, you love to hate certain characters and the story pulls the rug under your feet not in a half-assed way but one that impacts the story, impacts THE AUDIENCE, he himself has stated to (understandably) HATE Gojo, the most popular character of the story and he doesn't pull a 'Kill Neji bc I don't like him and I want him out, story be damned' like in Naruto, no, he bids his time, he develops the character, takes him out of the way when necessary, pulls him back AND THEN he kills him off, is he too brutal? I think so sometimes but what I respect the most in a story is the commitment to the bit, wether be comedy, drama or tragedy, Gege is the one calling the shots here and no amount of tears and death threats are going to stop him from breaking us apart mentally and emotionally and my masochistic ass is gonna enjoy (And cry) every second of it.
@Awesome_Swordsman6 ай бұрын
What flaw are you referring to by “the very first episodes foretold the story’s [MHA’s] main and greatest flaw”? (Not a rhetorical question, I’m genuinely confused)
@arkenn34976 ай бұрын
Very few things beat an artist who is confident in his vision
@xXSamir44Xx6 ай бұрын
I disagree about Gege having everything planned out since the beginning. Culling Games was clearly rushed in certain parts, especially towards the end, and don't even get me started on the current arc. It started out great and then just turned into a huge mess. Reading it while reliving Shibuya through the anime was like seeing two different series, writing quality wise.
@JohnDoe-pc3uk5 ай бұрын
Funnily enough, one of JJK's themes is self-actualization and being true to yourself (possibly even selfish). Gege follows that theme to a tee with his writing.
@user-qx1id1dt8x5 ай бұрын
This entire comment gotta be cap
@NexThicc7 ай бұрын
honestly I feel like a lot of the problems in the MHA arc could be fixed with a single mention of a time skip at the very least, a lot of things would make way more sense like how it could be construded how deku is able to use 100% after like 2 more years of training as a 3rd year in highschool and how he's able to use all his new quirks at a high level of proficiency. Also it would just make more sense how the other students are able to even contribute a little bit into the bigger battles with afo and shiggy instead of some random 1st years being able to hold their own against the strongest villian in existence. I'm so mad that horikoshi kept it like this when a time skip would've made so much sense. Of course that doesn't address a lot of other problems and a time skip has its own problems too, but it still would've been so much better than what trainwreck we have now. Not only in the war arc but for deku's whole dark hero arc would make more sense in terms of the time of events, cuz how do all these things happen in the matter of one school year????
@CritiqueTairique7 ай бұрын
I don’t remember the MHA timeline too well but are you saying that everything we’ve seen in MHA has taken place over only 1 year?!
@delekmaster39917 ай бұрын
Yep, all students we've been following I'm pretty sure are still only first years@@CritiqueTairique
@munirahahmad7 ай бұрын
@@CritiqueTairiqueClass 1-A hasnt even graduated yet 😭 so it's all within a year
@CritiqueTairique7 ай бұрын
@@munirahahmad oh wow that’s ridiculous 💀 that’s straight up nonsensical 🤣 thanks for letting me know
@mitokitsune64777 ай бұрын
before the war, in the manga I think (if I remember right) they mention that they are already in second year of school. It's not much but is something.
@arashmokhtari29487 ай бұрын
season 6 of mha was a blast for me... i couldn't care less about character not dying!
@liocubing63377 ай бұрын
NPC
@w1nther9307 ай бұрын
@@liocubing6337You calling others an npc is the most npc thing to do
@A5TR0The17 ай бұрын
This is Fax I wish they let midnight live tho rip But we got season 7 coming And MHA will be on top yet again
@ayush92027 ай бұрын
Not dying is another thing. But atleast 1 important character should have suffered any direct impact of this big war. Literally no one had any direct effects of fighting Shigarakai and Gigantomachia and other villians. Everyone was safe and chilling the next day.
@triplej86667 ай бұрын
because its not the final war bro, it was just preliminary, the final war obviously will kill off people@@ayush9202
@govianthefemaleinspector15177 ай бұрын
To say nothing changes when the entire country has a shift in perspective and trust in heroes after they lose is crazy. Not only were there people having to fight alone against villains but there was lawless sections that allowed for people to get away with things. The arc isn’t about the class and focusing on that as the main point when MHA hasn’t necessarily always been fully focused on 1-A as a whole seems like a misunderstanding on what the point really was. Another example of this is when this guy mentions the festival arc. While Jiro was important to the show, the main characters were Gentle, La Brava, and Deku. It’s an arc about different forms of heroism.
@roleoahotondji546 ай бұрын
Thank you, I couldn't have said better. It feels like the author of the video either missed the point of the arc, the stakes at play or he is simply being disingenuous. A pretty pointless comparison in the end.
@angstyteen60425 ай бұрын
@@roleoahotondji54please tell me the point of MHA's current arc because barely anything worthwhile is happening
@roleoahotondji545 ай бұрын
@@angstyteen6042 the simple fact you're not even talking about the arc being talked about here, is enough to say you're disingenuous. I'm not gonna explain to you something so basic to understand.
@angstyteen60425 ай бұрын
@@roleoahotondji54 bruh, their both still war arcs but ok. What's the point of the first war.
@roleoahotondji545 ай бұрын
@@angstyteen6042 Dude, I already told you, I've nothing to explain to you. You have already your biased opinions, I won't be arguing with you.
@christopherkemper49477 ай бұрын
I think you just don't get that MHA isn't meant to be nearly as mature and violent as other shonen happening rn. It's meant to be like older, longer shonen where characters don't really die, but it's fun to watch them. The fact that a character as important as Twice was killed surprised me; I didn't think they were gonna kill anyone. Even Midnight was surprising cause she consistently shows up and is enjoyable to watch. Also if we're talking about "nothing happened", multiple characters were permanently disabled from that fight. Miruko lost two limbs, Aizawa lost his leg and potentially his eye, Gran Torino is effectively retired, Mirio is back, etc. Also All for One and basically every major villain was freed, as well as Shigaraki escaping. There's a BUNCH of other stuff too, but I won't bore you. I jus think your expectations of the show weren't really what the show was about. It was potentially the darkest tone so far in the story. The heroes lost, and BAD. JJK is a much darker, grittier anime, it's meant for that kind of stuff. You wouldn't expect a character in MHA to get their head blown off, even off-screen.
@kingcold98926 ай бұрын
I disagree with mha not being mature and dark, we also see allmight blow afo's head off.
@user-qx1id1dt8x5 ай бұрын
I don't think I agree, mha is indeed mature and violent, but it's not depressing
@Starlight_fr4 ай бұрын
MHA: kills the side characters Demon slayer: kills everyone cuz the author has nothing better to do than make everyone cry
@Frostborne2778Күн бұрын
JJK: Kills everyone because Gege would win
@VLMNTI5 ай бұрын
I have to disagree with all of this. Good video, fair points, but it misses the fact that these series are completely different in philosophy. - Curses want humanity dead or beneath them, no halfway business. Curses want total domination and will do whatever it takes to get that. - The "villains" in MHA want to be seen as equals without being judged for being born with odd abilities. They don't want to kill to make a point, but if people need to die as proof of how the division based on quirks is stupid, then so be it. Death is not the objective, it's a byproduct of their interactions with heroes. Love it or hate it, MHA never posed itself as someone dark and deep story about eliminating your enemies. It always stood as an example of why judging others for how they look or that they don't fit in isn't right. So its war story isn't supposed to end with bodies on the floor, but rather show the extent of how far factions would go to let their point be heard. JJK is the exact opposite, so for death to eventually become commonplace makes sense. You can't have a story of do or die and no one dies. Both arcs are turning points for their respective series, and both series will see a massive shift in tone after these events. Just because one arc is more in your face with its goals doesn't necessarily mean the other arc missed the point. Shibuya worked fine for JJK, PLF War will play out fine for MHA.
@marvin94094 ай бұрын
This is genuinely one of the best summaries on this matter I’ve read so far. Totally agree. And seeing how JJK narratively completely fell off after Shibuya, you’re comment becomes more right and right with each chapter. MHA actually does make me feel something for both the heroes and the villains, JJK doesn’t.
@reruarikushiteru3 ай бұрын
Completely missing the point of the video MHA's problem isn't that it isn't dark enough, it's that it doesn't commit to what it's trying to do Stuff like setting consequences for using OFA in earlier seasons and completely ignoring it now, and constantly bending rules it already established (again, Shigaraki somehow didn't kill Gran Torino even tho he totally should, it's not "should" because dark = better, if you don't want to kill your characters then don't write them into situations where them dying is the only logical outcome in the first place; and unfortunately Horikoshi does it all the time only to immediately backpedal on his own writing)
@Hadeez22 ай бұрын
Curses are the exact opposite of humans and that is exactly what Mahito teaches yugi
@pastorTracy9117 ай бұрын
It must be real annoying for you that half the comments below just didn’t watch the video, huh Ent?
@Laiser7 ай бұрын
😞
@marinefart90827 ай бұрын
Fr none of them have an attention span
@mvjaganmohanreddy2 ай бұрын
It's mostly angry mha fans
@CHAOSMAN-kd1idАй бұрын
@@mvjaganmohanreddy Where are these mad MHA fans, I'm scrolling through the comments. I don't see any.
@Roy-sr6gs6 ай бұрын
JJK: Killing everyone MHA: Everyone is inmortal
@adambump52976 ай бұрын
Literally thousands of people died in the P.L. War Arc what are you on about.
@Roy-sr6gs6 ай бұрын
@@adambump5297 Yeah, name 3 important characters that died in the war arc
@adambump52976 ай бұрын
@@Roy-sr6gsHey don't go changing it you said everyone is immortal that said Midnight & Twice are really the only characters we spent enough time with to be considered important.
@Roy-sr6gs6 ай бұрын
@@adambump5297 Oh no we lost two characters in a WAR ARC You expect to lose more important people when the arc has "War' on its name, not 2 side characters (But Twice was kinda important for the manga so I'll let that slide)
@V1therobotcoin4 ай бұрын
@@Roy-sr6gsTwice Dr. compressor and midnight
@s3r4phin3_sh4rk5 ай бұрын
The key moment that really broke me in the Shibuya incident was the expression Yuji makes after seeing the obliterated city. His look of absolute horror, screaming about being a murderer, vomiting etc. We literally watch him have a mental breakdown as he finally comes to the reality that is Sukuna and what the king of curses is truly capable of. MHA still has yet to absolutely rip my heart out like JJK did with that scene.
@obarich5 ай бұрын
MHA just never killed anybody major so theres no tension thats bout it tbh
@s3r4phin3_sh4rk5 ай бұрын
@@obarich fr I completely forgot Midnight died😭😭
@Cook1e23965 ай бұрын
It's funny how in their respective arcs so far sukuna and shigaraki have both pulled moves that turn the area around them to nothing but ash and its repeated in the manga couple of times difference is in shibuya we see civilians die, toge loses an arm and we see its consequences, the burden of sukuna killing those people with his domain lingers on yuji for up to the most recent chapters in the manga. But in mha shigaraki is always countered, the heroes we cared about avoid the decay, civilians were evacuated and in the mangas current arc everytime shigaraki has used decay its been negated
@johndoe33075 ай бұрын
@@Cook1e2396 In MHA the heros were able to save some people but not very many in the scheme of things and it completely changed the tone of the story going forward. And while none of the major characters have been killed off their stories are still ongoing and we get to see the impact of the events on all of them.
@user-qx1id1dt8x5 ай бұрын
Skill issue tbh, shigaraki's backstory alone was worse to read
@3myr087 ай бұрын
(TL;DR at the end) This is what I like to call: the JJK effect lol. It’s when people who love JJK have been so normalised to half the entire main cast dying for no reason before they get barely any development and thinking that’s the only consequence that can exist in a story. (No offence, sorry that came out aggressive haha). Like I really can’t see how these are “fakeouts” or “safe writing”, ESPECIALLY with Bakugo. You probably picked the example that has one of the heaviest consequences out of the entire series. That moment not only starts a fire within Deku that doesn’t get put out until the end of the next arc, but also makes a start towards one of if not the biggest character development of the entire series, Bakugo’s apology which completely changes his relationship with Deku. In terms of the example with Gojo, yes I do agree that it’s smart to seal him off and therefore our sense of safety is gone, but… the way he gets sealed is just so pathetic I can’t believe it. The moment Gojo steps foot into Shibuya he just doesn’t feel the same. He’s suddenly on edge and seems so worried he might actually lose, which is a good way to build up suspense and tension yes, but we therefore expect to see him fight a huge villain and lose towards the beginning of the arc. Not get caught in a very easy trap like that that his season 1 version wouldn’t have even entertained. It just makes me feel cheated and like this isn’t the strong, cocky Gojo we all know, and therefore makes the rest of the arc much less convincing. Also the villains in JJK are an actual joke comparing to MHA, even in both arcs mentioned here. Jogo’s a joke, Hanami’s bland as heck, Geto.. who the heck is he?? And Sukuna’s just the one who wants to destroy for the sake of destroying. And to top it all off, Mahito is actually okay but is the very cliche deranged villain and once again has barely any depth. Nothing nearly as close as interesting comparing to Shigaraki with very deep and interesting backstory and motives, Dabi which I don’t have to explain, Twice with his relationship with Toga, and Toga, being kind of similar to Sukuna in some ways in the fact that she’s literally just insane and there’s nothing really more to her villainy, but the anime still does something with that in making her love the people she’s supposed to kill, and figure out if they really are as bad as she thinks. Now onto the big part, the consequences of Shibuya Incident. Nobara and Nanami die. 2 main characters who barely got to do anything yet. And they get killed by Mahito of all people. 2 characters who still had so much potential die just like that to a villain who isn’t even that threatening (at least imo). Imo this doesn’t make the arc and its consequences impactful and rather does the opposite and just makes it less convincing due to the fact that they die just like that to Mahito. Something which people dont realise as well is imo the TRUE difference between these arcs, the times in which they happen. MHA’s war arc happens after 200 chapters of the series, and 6 seasons into the anime, literally starting the final saga. The Shibuya Incident happens in the second season of the anime, serving as one of the introductory arcs to the story. Now, there’s 2 types of war arcs that a series can adopt. A war arc which happens as a result of big events going on in the story and is the true height and climax of those events (most war arcs), or war arcs which serve to build the characters and get you to know more about them and deepen your bond with them (I mean I’ve only seen that in World Trigger with its Invasion arc around like 30 episodes in). MHA obviously adopts the first type and does it perfectly, as most series do since it’s near the end of the series and therefore all of the events have already happened. In MHA’s case, this is what the plot has been building up to ever since the beginning of Season 5 and really just after the AFO vs All Might battle. The problem with JJK is that it also adopts the first type and kills off characters as if we’ve gotten to know them for like 200 chapters, but, we just don’t. The Shibuya Incident just has no substance (for me at least) because it’s just events happening to characters that I barely even know, so essentially you could just replace them with blank NPCs and it wouldn’t honestly have TOO much of a difference. And moreover, there just is no big events that have happened for it to be the big climax of. I mean yeah there was a bit of build up with Geto mentioning the date, but literally nothing else. One date drop isn’t build up for an entire war where 2 major characters die and a huge part of an entire area gets wiped out lol. Back onto the consequences part, this is what I mean by the ‘JJK effect’. Consequences don’t always just mean characters dying. In MHA, characters suffered life-changing injuries, and the whole point of the 4 aftermath episodes and the Dark Hero Arc was to show the true consequences of the war, hero society. Shigaraki levelled an entire city bro, killing thousands of innocent people and completely destroying the public’s already shaky reception of heroes to bits. MHA has always went for a more mature and realistic approach, ESPECIALLY in this war arc. Stuff like Midnight’s death are ‘brushed over’ for example because the series is trying to teach us that it’s not all about them anymore, it’s about all of society. We do get to see the impact of her death on the students and it gets brushed over to show that it’s just one of the many casualties in the war and those casualties aren’t always people just dying or getting injured but it goes much much deeper into the civilians and hero society. Also the war arc literally starts the final saga of the series, by far the darkest and puts the world of MHA into a panic state where they could lose at pretty much any point and the whole of Japan could fall under AFO’s rule very easily. Seems like pretty big consequences to me. Also Deku just suddenly being able to use 100% against Shiagarki numerous times isn’t just a magical thing that happens with no consequence. He’s able to use it in the moment because of adrenaline and afterwards he’s literally paralysed and has to move with his mouth. In the arc after that, he has to use specially made cuffs to help him even withstand OFA’s power after all those blows he made to Shigaraki. To wrap this up, about Shigaraki and Mahito and how Mahito’s way more threatening and all because he kills more, I kinda already explained this with the whole consequences point but I’d like to bring up the fact that Shigaraki was quirkless during the entire fight with everyone and was still able to hold his own, cause major injures to the pro heroes and students, and was able to survive like 6-7 100% OFA blows at point-blank range. The fact that he was able to level an entire city from just touching the ground comparing to Mahito’s killing of 2 characters is immensely different. Imo that’s MUCH more threatening since we actually get to see the heroes’ strength versus just a portion of the villain’s strength and them getting absolutely humiliated while 2 main characters just get cheaply taken out by a villain who we’ve barely even seen except in 1 or 2 fights before. (TL;DR) Overall, it’s up to different tastes. Both series have consequences just different types. MHA goes for mature and realistic consequences whereas JJK goes for more shonen and traditional consequences (key word: traditional, not generic). In my opinion, the Shibuya Incident is a much poorer execution of a war arc than the Paranormal Liberation War because of everything which I’ve said above, but hey, as I just said, this is a case where it’s truly up to just different opinions.
@soop68667 ай бұрын
L
@cuefy7 ай бұрын
to be honest.. everything you said there only provides the belief you have NOT watched jjk 😹
@cuefy7 ай бұрын
its probably not wise to comment so thoroughly about something you have no information on
@DullNick237 ай бұрын
well after reading all that, it seems to me you probably either haven't watched jjk, or are actively hatewatching it lmao.
@cuefy7 ай бұрын
@@DullNick23 exactly what i said lmao
@aissaaissa30807 ай бұрын
For me twice death was as impactful as nobora and nanami deaths but the teacher's death i felt the most nothing in the show . students were crying but i felt nothing and the purple lady was hyped by manga fans but i felt nothing from her maybe the adaptation wasn't perfect but overall i enjoyed the season 8/10.
@avid42887 ай бұрын
The same way when Nobara died I felt NOTHING maybe I would've felt something if the author didn't kill her just for cheap shock value
@the1whoplayz7 ай бұрын
@@avid4288 bro really emptied himself out so he wouldn't have to feel anything 💀💀💀💀💀💀 (no way you didn't feel anything if you watched s1)
@avid42887 ай бұрын
@@the1whoplayz Only thing I felt was the sense of unnecessariness it was only to create fake "sTAkeS🤓" and many dudebro fell for it for the bait
@pau78867 ай бұрын
@@avid4288 horikoshi and gege hate women IJBOL
@ClipThatBro7 ай бұрын
@@the1whoplayzno way you actually cared about her💀
@bleachsundae13687 ай бұрын
JJK fans try to hype up their own series without putting down others challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
@EliPride117 ай бұрын
Besides, as a former JJK fan I have to sadly admit that Shibuya is where the series peaked. The writing goes downhill from there.
@joturd237 ай бұрын
did you even watch the mha war arc several people were losing limbs that they to this current chapter in the manga havent gotten back a lot of people did in fact die and there has been major consequences for example hawks losing his back to Dabi has left him severely weakened because his quirk has WAY less feathers now Miruko losing majority of her limbs and literally needing support items just to be able to help Twice being completely dead midnight being completely dead the entire world collapsing on itself I mean u say all of this about knowing the characters when we've got basically 0 character from nobara other than her being a gag most of the time most of the people that did die in shibuya I couldnt give a rats ass about them because they werent developed and idk where you're seeing this development at unlike with twice who was a really lovable character the stories HAD consequences you're just undermining them because gege kills off a character every episode and that makes it feel like its got more consequences even though actions do have impact in mha and thats very clear from anyone who actually pays attention to the injuries we see and as for Deku it shouldve been obvious he'd build up more of a resistance seeing as he can now use 45% as oppose to the last time he used 100% he was only maintaining 5% of one for all him having more of a handle on it should be obvious we've seen lasting affects from this arc that I feel ur just ignoring like the mentality it gave Deku how society was ruined needed character development for Bakugo more input on the Todoroki family and then you bring up jiro vs all for one like she significantly beat him by herself and mahito does NOT feel more dangerous than shigaraki thats an atrocious take especially when his techniques dont even work on the main character while Deku literally has to pummel shigaraki so badly he cant even fight back just to stand a chance at winning ur tryna tell me itadori who cant be affected by mahitos instant kill and todo who can just switch places with anything he wants felt more dangerous than shigaraki who was going up against an entire team of heroes quirkless and winning alright buddy Itadori was literally a punching bag for several minutes until todo showed up and none of those punches had lasting affects on him just due to how much stronger and better he is than mahito and gran torino is hospitalized he is NOT fine lol you act like hes been on the front lines in the currect arc the entire time plus gran torino was still needed within the story to show Izuku that killing Shigaraki is another way of saving him and are you seriously bringing up machia being outsmarted the guy whose a literal dumbass that just follows commands and he wasnt even stopped by them until endeavor knocked him down multiple episodes later Iida punching Deku had more weight mainly because we had an entire arc of Iida doing what Deku was attempting to do and regretting it also you use events that will stick with you as a last argument meanwhile Bakugo saving Deku will hold way more impact to me than any moment in shibuya mostly because shibuyas moments are carried by memes like I would never talk about jogo vs sukuna if it werent for memes because i could give a rats ass when it comes to jogo meanwhile literally any moment with shigaraki sticks simply because of my villain academia
@Abridgimation7 ай бұрын
did you even watch the video
@tanaykothapalli98707 ай бұрын
Holy shit bro chill out. First of all MHA does not contend with JJK its pacing is slow and their are parts of the war arc that are generally cool but the emotional build up for characters deaths and injurious are pitiful I care about Twice more than I care about Midnight dying because midnight was an emotionally shallow character that I could not give shit about while Twice had an emotional breakthrough and finally figured himself out while Midnight couldn't even get a on screen death. Also MHA has one of the most poorly paced fights and fairly boring heros at this point.
@EliteRaven7 ай бұрын
"moments are carried by memes like I would never talk about jogo vs sukuna if it werent for memes" ngl thats just you and your youtube page. Me personally i think that fight was heat
@dingostk96557 ай бұрын
They are gonna hate you for being right 😂😂😂
@ongabonga35497 ай бұрын
@@dingostk9655 they seem to be hating on him because he's wrong
@alexandreauclair88576 ай бұрын
Damn I can’t remember anything from the war arc of my hero. I didn’t even remember that midnight died I was so surprised to relearn it in your video.
@zetro_cloud6 ай бұрын
Yeah same
@bigassbetsy56457 ай бұрын
I have no idea where this idea of season 6’s arcs were so divisive are coming from when it’s considered one of the best seasons of the series, if not the best across every platform you can rate things...
@mr.protagonist56397 ай бұрын
Ratings are a bad way to judge these things, plus the war arc and beyond have been divisive even before the anime so the sentiments been around for a while now.
@analogicaleuphimism20787 ай бұрын
Audience rating aren't really reliable when judging the writing quality of a show. I really don't want to sound like a massive snob, but the general audience aren't really looking for a well-written story but rather entertainment value. A lot happened in MHA s6, more so than any other season. Its the biggest shake-up of the status quo, dwarfing even All-Might's retirement. It had the most fights, where the characters on all sides were pushed the most, or to put it simply its the most large-scale event. Its arguably the most entertaining, but that isn't the same as story quality. Especially so, given that anime-watchers are a more laidback and less critical audience compared to the manga-readers.
@rickyjohnson19017 ай бұрын
Ratings don’t mean anything…have you seen the mha fan base?
@ravifonseca87 ай бұрын
Same. I keep hearing these and honestly eeveryone around me thought it was superb. Oh well
@burgers84327 ай бұрын
@@mr.protagonist5639Before the anime, I did not see anyone disliking the paranormal liberation war. Everyone really liked it, this disliking of the arc is absolutely a new thing.
@durpanda1237 ай бұрын
The paranormal liberation arc was absolutely fantastic... Literally the best the show has been since the Stain fight.
@thezigzags4406 ай бұрын
🤨
@user-qx1id1dt8x5 ай бұрын
The best the show has been is currently in the manga by far in terms of constant peaks
@illmatic39835 ай бұрын
@@thezigzags440it’s true best season of the anime so far
@rayenassel91117 ай бұрын
Why cant the jjk fandom like the show without comparing it to other animes
@Jestiii7 ай бұрын
Cry abt it. Pfp explains everything
@Jestiii7 ай бұрын
@@rayenassel9111 Ratio'd your reply lmao
@idamswariso57437 ай бұрын
@@Jestiii😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@CHAOSMAN-kd1idАй бұрын
@@Jestiii "Cry abt it. Pfp explains everything" An egg profile explains everything? How? OP just asked a simple question.
@IlyTranq7 ай бұрын
The war arc felt like a light scuffle while the shibuya incident was an actual war, with casualties, a couple people died in the mha “war” where in shibuya people weren’t people they were just collateral damage, no one was gonna save them.
@confusedbakugo13737 ай бұрын
Gigantomachia ran through like 20 cities and killed thousands, the heroes being powerless to save anyone or stop him.
@thejuicerisgone32157 ай бұрын
@@confusedbakugo1373cant really do anything when a gojo level character decides to do whatever he wants
@chideraumejiaku38957 ай бұрын
"A slight scuffle" and all of hero society is destroyed,machia rampaging and destroying cities and killing hundreds But yh small scuffle
@Razor14737 ай бұрын
@@chideraumejiaku3895 Because none of the main characters seem to feel any real consequences in the arc. You can write all this explanation about how it supposedly impacted them. But if you don’t actually see it impact the main characters, aka the focus of the story, it doesn’t matter. This is a textbook example of “show don’t tell.” Or rather the lack thereof in MHA’s case.
@chideraumejiaku38957 ай бұрын
@@Razor1473 every character was negatively affected by the war, literally look at the state of everything after it happened Death doesn't equal a good story
@CelestialSage-ik2ze7 ай бұрын
NGL, while I do agree with some things, you say, PLW & The final war still neg Shibuya
@anjaneyasreetrout24447 ай бұрын
Sincerely disagree.
@idamswariso57437 ай бұрын
Disagree and I don't even like jjk
@lilkoto50197 ай бұрын
U trippin 😂😂😂😂
@jeffali51576 ай бұрын
PLW is decent, Final war is dogshit in so many ways
@negrolicous53885 ай бұрын
never have an opinion again 👉🏻🚪
@exotice14105 ай бұрын
Mha plot armor: omg teacher who nobody cared about died, so sad. JJK plot armor: main villain gets 30 different Heian era ass pulls. also jjk, beloved characters just die.
@danzer93074 ай бұрын
I feel like both series have the opposite problem. MHA: Nobody ever dies so it's hard to care about what's happening since you known nothing truly bad can happen to them. JJK: Anyone can die at random so it's hard to get invested in any character or their arcs since they can just abruptly end at any time.
@ihap51804 ай бұрын
I've only seen the anime, but I don't think people suddenly die enough to not get attached to them. Yeah Maki, Junpei, Nobara, and Nanami had fairly sudden deaths. Junpei's death was alright with me since it gave Itadori motivation to kill and hate Mahito. Nanami, Nobara and Maki's death made the Curses seem more powerful and threatening. We also had a good amount of time to get invested with Nanami, Nobara, and maybe Maki, although I think she was a least devolved one in the anime, although if Maki gets more character in the movie let me know.
@supercoolmaniajon2653 ай бұрын
2:00 "Gojo cannot die in a war arc" Jujutsu Kaisen. Chapter 236. September 24, 2023. Pages 13 and 14.
@tttttttttttttttp122 ай бұрын
SPOILERS YOU INCONSIDERATE MANGA READER
@w1nther9307 ай бұрын
I kind of agree. Mha did really remove the stakes here for a "war arc". It's much easier to call the current point of the manga the actual war, because here we see characters seriously injured and some deaths. Jiro for example had one of her ears destroyed, like damn that's like making her quirk be less effective, that's gonna have consequences. Bakugou's supposed death was kind of just turned over, so that's a little less stakes, but Hawks also lost his quirk. There's a lot more stakes in the current point than in this failed war arc
@Carbinatedfartt7 ай бұрын
Bakugo coming back completely killed it. What are we talking about ?? Bro just gets up & starts clapping one of the strongest villains ??
@w1nther9307 ай бұрын
@@Carbinatedfartt If you had taken the time not to just scim over what i wrote, you would see i wrote "Bakugou's supposed death was turned over". I litterally say that it made the stakes worse as his death was kind of just overwritten and lowered the actual stakes. Sure, it's good for shock value, but it just got turned over.
@wizardwolf10207 ай бұрын
You do remember that both Hawks and Mirko got support tech that either allowed them to fully recover or mostly recover from the damage that impacted their quirks. At this point, technology in MHA is 100% plot convenient because we’re told characters like Hagakure and Momo MUST have their costumes designed the way they are because of the conflict with how their quirks function. Yet Mirio’s got a costume that completely works fine with his Quirk despite having a similar issue as them while Mirko is given an entire prosthetic limb to replace the one she lost that’s just as fine as the original, and All Might is given armor that allows him to fight toe to toe with prime AFO. So replacing Jirou’s lost ear when we see stuff like this shouldn’t be a problem. Hell, if you want to, you could also just have Eri Rewind the damage so that she gets her ear back since that’s all Eri is for these days, a healing plot device but of course, the story will just conveniently ignore her for the sake of the illusion of consequences
@Carbinatedfartt7 ай бұрын
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@w1nther9307 ай бұрын
@@wizardwolf1020Im not fully caught up in the manga like with Hawks having support tech . I kinda gave up at the point where Hawks has his quirk taken. But yeah, all these stakes aren't really permanent at all for an arc that should be impactful, but IMO, it is still better than the first "war arc" with the paranormal liberation front
@austintheador63022 ай бұрын
Bro just wants someone to die 😭
@jasonthomas97297 ай бұрын
MHA isn't a series that kills characters alot. Typically they get maimed/permanently injured etc. You don't need actual death for stakes although a big death every now and then would help to heightened the stakes I suppose. The MHA arc was good, with the only significant issue being Gran Torino not dying but you kinda have to see it play out to see what Hori is gonna do with his character for the epilogue. I suppose its ok to annoyed/upset in the moment. The arc had a moment that outtrended the US election. It definitely had things going for it. Jjk killed so many characters in Shibuya that half the cast are new/relatively characters that alot of people don't even care about. With Gege introducing characters with no backstory that are conveniently powerful enough to deal with the series biggest threats.
@jeffali51576 ай бұрын
JJK killed about 5-6 characters, not sure if that counts as so many, but it also felt a lot more impactful especially with how the war escalated. MHA has many issues, but the war arc I’ll admit was decent
@AM17titan5 ай бұрын
exactly people seriously thinking just killing of characters for the sake of WAR is a good thing
@chode___4 ай бұрын
Mha war arc was mid at best
@RoadsideAtlas7 ай бұрын
Mfs really can't like a series without hardscoping nitpicking another one
@nathav-_-7 ай бұрын
He is not wrong though I like MHA but the war arc falls short to other major arc in Shonen and JJK just did it better
@theoriginalman94267 ай бұрын
I enjoyed the war arc, the only problem I have about it is the anime adaptation, shit looked so boring and stale, the manga was way better
@reguluscorneas72967 ай бұрын
bro mha is shit
@RoadsideAtlas7 ай бұрын
@@reguluscorneas7296 lmao ok bruh, keep relying on shock value over long term storytelling
@RoadsideAtlas7 ай бұрын
@@nathav-_- what kill off characters with shock value? Or not even confirm if a main character was killed. Just like with recent chapters relying on shock value and it contradicting its own series Such as the very beginning of the series "Even with all his finger I would still beat Sukuna!" To "Even at my full strength I still wouldn't beat him!" Keep relying on shock value bruh. I'll take long term storytelling and actual character development
@SUREILLBYTE4 ай бұрын
I completely disagree. I think your criticism that Shibuya is the better war arc because it wasn't afraid to kill off its main and supporting cast is pretty shallow. An effective war arc, to me, has far more important variables than just the total kill count. Most importantly the portrayal of the tug of war and what tactics each side uses to tip the scales is what makes a good war arc. MHA was a master class at this as the animes overall returning theme is producing hope in despair and in season six the anime breaks that rule. Regarding kill count, as I think it is certainly one aspect of an effective war arc, praising JJK for killing off characters isn't the praise people think it is as killing off characters we barely know or was given the time to actually care about them means nothing. Sure, in MHA mostly side characters died while main characters were injured, but what you're not taking into consideration is that we've spent years building connections with these characters. Seeing what happened to those impacted during that arc was an emotional gut punch vs the deaths in JJKs produced a slight double take.
@Pipehiguita3 ай бұрын
Terrible take
@OOKAMI3483Ай бұрын
You are my special
@toon21525 ай бұрын
JJK is literally just fights and fights while MHA’s war arc’s story beats and dialogue is the most pivotal. You’re only comparing because JJK has better animation
@motor4X4kombat5 ай бұрын
Who gives a shit about story when the action is cool. And thats all whats matter in a fighting shonnen.
@FoxyGrace.5 ай бұрын
Mha's writing and development straight up dookie compared to jjk ngl
@PoIarisPrime5 ай бұрын
@@FoxyGrace. nah, jjk is more consistent on it but the lesser characters that do have good writing and character development outclass jjk
@morijin87924 ай бұрын
@@PoIarisPrimedevelopment?haha took deku 6 season to become strong while while yuji only 2 season what a joke
@PoIarisPrime4 ай бұрын
@@morijin8792 what deku was stronger than yuji since season 2 his attacks are way more destructive
@johndoe33075 ай бұрын
Killing off a character in JJK has little to no impact on me because I never cared for any of them in the first place. The characters feel shallow and underdeveloped in a way that makes them feel more like set dressing than people. The world and society in JJK is explored very little and feels shallow. For example: why does it seem like there are no "normal people" who have any idea what curses are and why is there no government involved in anything? Why wouldn't any governments employ curses or curse users in anyway? On the other hand with MHA enough time was spent on developing the characters to where I actually care about them and feel impacted if any of them were to disappear. The world and society are affected in many ways due to the powers of people and the consequences of events that take place. When something happens in the world of MHA it has an effect on more than just the people directly involved and has lasting consequences that are built upon throughout the story. Yes it's true that Bakugo didn't die during the fight however I don't believe that killing him off would have benefited the story in anyway. When Nobara "died" the story had to flash back to fill in her backstory because it was never flushed out in the first place. Instead of making me sad that a character I was invested in was suddenly ripped away instilling a feeling of loss, I instead felt indifferent. I do believe death has a role to play in story telling but in order for it to have an effect something must actually be lost. By under developing JJK's characters and killing them off left and right I am not made to feel sadness, anger, loss, or any strong emotion; instead the moment passes by and it looses any potential it had.
@felipeveloso25544 ай бұрын
I'm not reading allat
@silverdragon1223 ай бұрын
This. 100%. JJK is not a masterpiece of modern shounen, and people need to stop pretending it is. People liking Gojo reminds me of everyone who went crazy for Madara. He's super strong for no fucking reason and people just like watching him wreck other characters. And that's fine, but let's not pretend he's super deep. Speaking of Nobara. The friendship dynamic is so forced in JJK it's terrible. Yuji meets Megumi(1 mission). He meets nobara(1mission). He goes on 1 mission with both of them, then dies. Comes back and they're all super best friends? It feels so unearned. There are so many constant fights, i never see any character as human or a character. The character that has had the most development is honestly Todo. Fushigoro's ability is cool, and he's an all right character. But when EVERY other character isn't developed, it's a low bar. I could write a university grade breakdown of why the story is mid at best.
@dontwatchmyvideoace13833 ай бұрын
@@silverdragon122 Even though this conversation isn't about naruto much. Madara is deeper than gojo. Uchiha clan was in a war with other clans. madara was fighting since childhood because of war. Also, Madara was the reincarnation of the first Uchiha so he was given the powers that the first uchiha had. In addition madara was the son of the former leader of uchiha clan.
@gamerx3071Ай бұрын
@@silverdragon122 character development isn't everything tho, you have to have a good character to work with at the start. that's where JJk excels - every character has some creative abilities with excellent personalities and character design (except megumi I never liked him lol). Gojo is liked because of how carefree he is due to how overpowered he is, which is honestly pretty fun to watch.He was never supposed to be deep so idk why you brought that up, he's a side character and comic relief at that. He isn't shallow, though - if you think he is, you probably didn't pay much attention to the Hidden Inventory arc. you can make friends pretty quickly, especially for two extroverts like Nobara and Yuji who have chemistry. Not everything has to be drawn out, some people instantly click and that's normal. Also they weren't instantly best friends, M&N were pretty cold to Yuji after Yuji was found to be alive and only warmed up to him after the exchange arc, so it's not just instant. Also, if you stopped and thought about the "constant fights" you so dislike, you'll realize that the characters actually develop A LOT while they fight. Don't tell me that Yuji didn't develop in the Shibuya arc. Maki changed, too, but that's heading into Culling Game Arc and I don't want to spoil. There's Choso - that one, I hope, is self-explanatory. Jogo, Mahito, even Toji developed. All of these characters are changing, even if no one screamed it in your face or plastered it like an advertisement - "look how far they've come!". Not all of the characters developed, nor is all the development "super deep". but that's fine - you don't need to flesh out every single character and give them focus equal to the MC. JJK is definitely one of the best shonens of today. Ofc it's not the best of them all, that's ridiculous, but it's pretty damn good. maybe you just have different tastes, or you're looking for different things in shonen. That's cool. I'm just sharing my viewpoint on these things
@Bobplushie666Ай бұрын
Do yall just want a political drama or smth 😭
@unprovoked996 ай бұрын
Having more deaths doesn't instantaneously make your story better, I hate it when people compare these two shows when they're so different. I mean look at Gojo's death, him having to die offscreen actually made lots of people drop the manga, what do you have to say about that then? Meanwhile All Might surviving against All For One actually set up for better character developments in the future. No hate towards JJK, I love it too but I'm sick of ya'll comparing them so much as if JJK is just the better show when it's not, neither is, they're just different.
@vaibhavtyagi61486 ай бұрын
Having characters die puts everyone else on a padel that may die in future unlike MHA where villains commit huge crimes killing many people and still just get jail time, even real world has death penalty laws for things like murder etc, MHA handles the villains very bad.
@tutumazibuko25106 ай бұрын
@@vaibhavtyagi6148 having everyone die indeed makes everyone scared that they might be next but it also ruins any reason for your audience to care when that time comes
@rency18033 ай бұрын
I might add that jjk handle death rather poorly, the only major death that actually have emotional weight is nanami. Many characters death are handled like they just got removed from the story or became a plot point instead of an actual death. Let's take a look at another shounen, Chainsaw Man. That show got people dying left and right but major character death are handled extremely well and got a lot of emotional weight. If we compare the "protagonist trio death" then Power and Aki clearly beats Nobara and Megumi in terms of writing. In the end the number of death is just a tone setter for the show, how they handle the death is when we can see the quality of such show.
@silverdragon1223 ай бұрын
"MHA's war arc would have been a lot more interesting if characters we had actually grown to know, died". Can't believe you said this and praised JJK. **NONE** of those characters have any personality. They're basically meat puppets for the grinder. The only person of substance who dies is Nanami. And he had NOTHING left to do in the story; which is a MAJOR flaw in Gege's writing. He has said it: when he has nothing left for characters to do in the story he kills them off. And it's EXACTLY why their deaths are hollow. On the opposite side of that spectrum: It's why Jiraiya's death is sad, there's still stuff left to TEACH Naruto and there's more bonding time to be had. Nobara is about to die, the pacing *stops DEAD* and then we get an episode and a half of flashback of her. It's like the author realized, moments before killing her, that he never actually made her a character. People need to stop pretending JJK is genius. It really isn't.
@Pipehiguita3 ай бұрын
Almost all characters of My Hero Academia are mediocre at best
@LunacrinaDefault2 ай бұрын
Nah, in two or three years my kid will be sold off in the zen'in clan. But maybe it's becausr of them throughout heaven and earth, I alone am the honored one.
@mvjaganmohanreddyАй бұрын
You are either stupid or you didn't read the manga
@DasnotHIM7 ай бұрын
I still don't know how the tail guy in class 1A survived that long, at least have someone in that damn class died my guy😅
@ajojofann6 ай бұрын
cuz hes the love interest of the invisible girl, and the author has to keep ships alive
@togucvinw76 ай бұрын
Honestly I dropped my hero after Mirko had gone to the lab to try to prevent Shigaraki's awakening. I know a shit ton of stuff happened since then but the few bits and pieces Ive seen make me not regret my decision. I think MHA was one of the pillars of the "hype" generation of new anime(like Fire Force, Black Clover etc), started off with a bang then couldnt keep it going in the long run. People were too quick to comapre them to the Big 3 and it showed that they were in fact not even on the same league. A shame, I want to have that hype again for MHA but right now nothing could make me go back, and your video just proves me that the downfall is indeed real
@meinami68647 ай бұрын
My problem with this video is that jjk villains are just flat villains, straight up. They have weak motivations they are remembered for their fights not what they stood for or why they fight. It’s to the point where people hate on Geto Brain for thoroughly fleshing his plan and ideology out calling him a Yap demon. Every good villain in MHA yaps bro. Hero Killer stain did more yapping than fighting yet it’s his yapping that’s been the influence for other major villains not how many hero’s stain has killed. There is no league without stain, like there was no shibuya incident without Geto. As for the characters deaths themselves JJK deaths are hit and misses at best. Tell me you actually cared when Nobara died. Jogo’s death was off screen which was foreshadowing for hehe.. if you know, you know. Toji as much as I love him really didn’t need to be in shibuya at all and he kills himself without ever pushing megumi’s character forward at all. Shibuya incident was hype even if 75% was mindless fighting just for the sake of it.
@hawkeyemihawkgettingmoneylord7 ай бұрын
The villians are cool they have cool abilities. They keep the story interesting. And they keep the plot moving they serve their purpose. Dont get me wrong Naruto is one of my favorite animes. Ilike how most of the main villians are trying to do the same thing the main character wants and thats finding a way to stop war and gain peace. So i get were your coming from but not all stories have to be the same thing. Especially when a story is doing amazing in other departments. I think that would be a valid criticism if jjk just didn't have anything else going for it.
@AJ-ry8qd7 ай бұрын
Mahito, jogo and sukuna aren't flat characters lmao
@andylozano51937 ай бұрын
How are Mahito and Sukuna not flat? Jogo has a touch more to him but barely. Actual Geto is the villain who isn’t flat.
@roleoahotondji546 ай бұрын
You choose to pick what matters in the arc, by ignoring the important changes to say "nothing matter". And you end by saying this arc was forgettable. Funny how you pretty much boil downs everything to "kill characters". You're definitely biased.
@jenwarstidontcare11925 ай бұрын
keep coping
@Arrakuu7 ай бұрын
I wasn't really planning to comment on this as writing is often personal and depends on the person but i just want to say something as these are two favourites of mine. I like to believe MHA is a story about society and not necessarily the people themselves and JJK is the opposite. To explain what i mean i want to ask a question, what did Midnight's death mean or do? From my perspective, nothing but i think that's what MHA is good at. Midnight dying didn't change momo during the fight like most manga would but instead hori used midnight's last words before the signal was cut as a way to improve momo, the death was an unfortunate bi-product. Now i know nanami does something similar but i want to expand on that. I believe in nanami's case that his death hit yuji first and then the words which is the opposite of what MHA does. (I know this seems a bit of a bad explanation but hold on) i believe hori is a writer that takes hope and then meets it with tragedy and gege is the opposite, there are stakes in both series and a ton of people die in both but they are fundamentally different. MHA doesn't kill characters because for its story it just wouldn't do anything because look at All Might, All Might didn't have to die for society to weaken just his powers but then when we look at gojo the same can't fully be said as it wasn't only Gojo's power but also him himself being able to influence Jujutsu society so gojo unlike All Might had to be removed for some impact to happen. I know it is gojo's powers that allow him to be so influential but he doesn't need to does he? He can just choose to leave everything to the higher ups the same way All Might does but he doesn't. I know this probably seems all over the place but i just wanted to say a few things that maybe a few others could streamline. Btw I'm 17 so I'd also like to propose the idea that the feeling towards the different arcs could be connected to fan's ages and the amount of anime seen in their lives.
@lorenzoaccristo87127 ай бұрын
I see your point but the hollowness of MHA future arc’s it’s very true (SPOILER ALLERT!) In this arc i felt no pressure or stakes cuz everyone kept not dying and the characters mostly didn’t changed (except basically Deku that went berserk); the few that died were so irrelevant or straight up unknown they had no impact, even if u say Hori if purposely not killing cuz it would be pointless then u have to show the consequences in other way, society in MHA changes so little and so slowly it basically don’t change at all. Te liberation army’s riot is so underwhelming it feel like a joke and the fact i know no students will ever die makes the events pointless, like i already know they are gonna succeed, and even if they don’t they wont die of face any consequences so every mission feel irrelevant. The final war arc is basically the worst version of this one, it’s supposed to be this big showdown of every villain and every heroes (outnumbered 1 to 1789) with this clever plan to use portals end stuff and basically everyone gets their spotlight fighting some major villain, witch to me fells kinda funny since they’re kids and the real pro heroes are no where to be found; and the worst part is none of this matters, none, the only fight that actually maters is Deku vs Shigaraki cuz they are so higher in the power rank they can easily go 1 v all the other after they’re done with their fight. I feel ridiculous that two students try to stop AFO and actually survive, like, the guy has offed every previous OFA user, matched fairly w All Might twice and has the dippers bag of the story. JJK actually present you w consequences in the small and grand scheme, ppl actually die and I’m not talking about sm side characters no one cares about but relevant one you actually had time to know, big events happen even on a international level and it directly ties into the next arc. The heroes effectively lose, the lost Gojo and some of them died and immediately everything changes: culling game kicks off, Yuji is sentenced to death, many revelation happened so even in the knowledge aspect things changed (Kenji revelation, Choso brother link, back of the box location…) It’s true that for some time no one major dies but than you get hit w Gojo’s death, Higaruma’s one, sukuna’s real form appearance, Geto’s apparent death and you feel the stakes; literally everyone can die and the world will inevitably change after this arc. That’s why the two stories had different success, not necessarily the way the choose to portray stress and pressure but the fact MHA effectively lacks consequences, nothing actually matters while in JJK the events feel impactful. The fact ppl are numb about characters death is something personal not necessarily a narrative problem. - ofc this is just my opinion i hope no one felt offended in any way, I’m sorry for any eventual grammar error (not my first language) -
@Arrakuu7 ай бұрын
@@lorenzoaccristo8712 (i will be mentioning something that hasn't been animated yet i believe so you have been warned) i agree with you on some things besides the point about MHA's society. In the manga (i think the anime has even reached the point) society doesn't just fall, international support is cut, boarders are closed and heroes just up and leave. I get that it was fast but i wouldn't say nonexistent as the other seasons and hell even the movies give the viewers a sense of the importance of the international connections and relationships in that world. I believe the consequences of MHA aren't the lives of the characters but instead how the world can easily be broken which we do see. A certain American doesn't die because we were meant to care for them but instead to see that international help was really needed as a couple jets weren't enough but i can understand why people wouldn't like that as much as hori does push it to the forefront as much as he should.
@lorenzoaccristo87127 ай бұрын
@@Arrakuu (spoiler warning but u already know that) i get it, maybe i explained myself poorly; it seems to me that the changes the society goes trough have a small affect on the story, sure u get some racist panels where ppl hate on heroes, you se the society start to crumble but after the heroes initially get in contact with it for the first time the theme gets left behind. Now we are in the final arc of MHA yet I didn’t felt the heroes were out numbered cuz they kept winning or at least get a tie; the hate on the gifted ppl (like the shark girl) has not been relevant since that episode. My critic is essentially that, the consequences aren’t long lasting and the society doesn’t affect enough the story. At the end this is only my opinion and I’m not a writer so…just different opinion. Thanks for sharing your view I appreciated it :)
@avid42887 ай бұрын
@@lorenzoaccristo8712Lol jjk's final arc is just arc is just fights with NO emotional depth and characters are just dying just for sTaKeS
@maryanne10256 ай бұрын
@@avid4288Wouldnt that make it more realistic? Sukuna is the strongest, he should live up to that. This ain't another anime where the power of friendship solves the situation.
@Humanoidmosquito7 ай бұрын
Did midnigt dead? I totaly forget about her.
@greensabr2006 ай бұрын
You're trying to compare apples and oranges. Both arcs had completely different purposes and I think they both accomplished what they set out to do. I think both had some issues but were ultimately successful in their respective purposes
@dastamararoseyork7 ай бұрын
hate saying this but i had to stop watching the video just from how much inaccurate info u had on mha. u clearly either didnt watch it, didnt understand it, didnt care to understand it, ignored details or missed them entirely. the list goes on and on. so much info in this was not true. and no i dont mean ur opinions. i mean what ur basing ur opinions on. think this is the first video ive ever seen someone make and have this much info wrong about a series...
@sbongisenimzimela3537 ай бұрын
Like bruh why do ppl just watch mha without listening or watching anything
@Alex-rf9cv7 ай бұрын
Yet you didn’t watch the full video? Casual MHA wanker
@limitless_ftw7 ай бұрын
Give me at least 5 different examples
@MrPotaaah7 ай бұрын
@@sbongisenimzimela353 how ironic when the creator of this comment didn't even finish what's the guy talking about in the video
@sbongisenimzimela3537 ай бұрын
@@MrPotaaah That doesnt change my point. Most ppl just watch mha with their eyes closed.
@vineous_7 ай бұрын
why cant we just like them both 😭
@sbongisenimzimela3537 ай бұрын
Like seriously
@isumademonfox89137 ай бұрын
Preach
@laurainathunderstorm7 ай бұрын
No one is saying u can't, that's not the point of the video 😑
@sammydray59197 ай бұрын
You can though??? No one is saying you cant like both
@destenylegend12787 ай бұрын
No one is saying you have to like one or the other, one is just simply better while the other is dog shit at writing
@Jadenf4707 ай бұрын
yall instead of being fans off and anime and then making people mad just dont say anything and also bruh deku couldn't even move after using 100 percent after the fight
@sbongisenimzimela3537 ай бұрын
Some ppl watch mha with their eyes closed
@MyDoggiesABully7 ай бұрын
It’s not peoples responsibility to silence their opinion because people like YOU get mad over 2D characters lmfao.
@Sammy8885 ай бұрын
I'm a filthy casual who only watches the anime dubs, and took a while before I actually started watching MHA and JJK. But the issue I have with JJK is Gojo Satoru was probably the only character I found interesting, and when I found out about him dying in the manga I lost all interest in the series, I honestly don't find the other characters interesting enough to want to invest anymore time into the series, and the anime didn't give me enough reason to care about them. Yes MHA is a lot safer, but even that made me care about a handful of characters, with Twice being one, but I wasn't solely invested in Twice like I was with Gojo Satoru in JJK.
@Eitangaming2.02 ай бұрын
Mah: saves all fan favorite charcters to be friendly. Gege: no
@puppetmaster88197 ай бұрын
JJK is just built different in the Shibuya arc. Sure, there are similarities, but what made it different/interesting from the war arcs is the parts where there are antagonists twist their roles in the war (e.g. Toji temporarily "helping" the sorcerers in their dire situation by overpowering and killing Dagon who trapped them in his domain followed by killing attempts to Megumi, and then there's Sukuna who was thought to be on the side of the special-grade curses but doesn't completely side with them because of his one condition, and even OBLITERATES one of them FOR FUN followed by a massive collateral damage in Shibuya with EVERYONE in the vicinity, which is no mercy.)
@wizardwolf10207 ай бұрын
Yeah you don’t really see any betrayals on either the heroes or villains sides in MHA. It’s all just clear cut from the audiences perspective and whatever twists and surprises they tried to sell were half baked or didn’t age well like Mirio returning, Compress’s backstory, Deku’s arms situation, Shigaraki basically becoming a vessel for AFO, Bakugou getting stabbed with death flags, Gran Torino getting impaled to the ground with death flags, Dabi’s big reveal gets uprooted by Best Jeanist coming back, etc.
@Razor14737 ай бұрын
The thing of Horikoshi not wanting to take risks isn’t just in the war arc, it’s prevalent throughout the whole series. And it really holds MHA as a whole back, since it simply causes it to undermine it’s own themes too much. JJK is a breath of fresh air in this regard, some people do have some complaints of the manga killing too many characters later on. However even _if_ that’s the case, I’d still take that over MHA never doing anything interesting with it’s characters.
@wizardwolf10207 ай бұрын
@@Razor1473 like the characters go on and on all the time about how dangerous being a hero is and how they could easily lose their lives but you legit don’t see a character die until the Overhaul arc. Up to that point, the only deaths you could find were maybe the occasional NPC character death.
@CircePenfield7 ай бұрын
My big problem with the Shibuya incident is that the bad guys that got killed off are so overwhelmingly weak compared to Sukuna that, effectively, nothing has changed. It's Jogo syndrome - an intensely strong character getting absolutely fodderized because they only ever fought people stronger than themselves. Hanami's death SHOULD have been impactful, but we've seen barely any of the actual bond or friendship between the disaster curses. The big problem is that in my opinion Sukuna isn’t well-written, because his strength is so phenomenally overwhelming that every other villain in the series seems insanely weak by comparison. THIS IS A TEAM OF SPECIAL GRADE CURSES AND THEY ARE NON-THREATS APART FROM MAHITO! Hanami had the misfortune of only ever being shown fighting Todo and Yuji (at least it was an actual fight).
@lucianomangroo7 ай бұрын
I didn't take mha seriously in war arc Lack of deaths No atmospheric war vibe And no intensity But shibuya incident got me at edge of my seat The shocking deaths of civilians and characters The animation The fights The destruction of shibuya The arc storyline And the atmosphere It's a 10/10
@javelinmaster27 ай бұрын
yh like it all didn't matter. JJK and the animators sure made it feel like the stuff that did matter did truly matter. One Piece's Marineford war didn't have much death but when death came they sure did made it matter A LOT.
@kevinfranklin95627 ай бұрын
@@javelinmaster2i almost didnt realize you didnt want to spoil ________'s death (by that i mean "One Piece's Marineford war didn't have much death but when death came they sure did made it matter A LOT." specifically the last part)
@imaginaryking52767 ай бұрын
The anime didn’t do the war arc justice tho The deaths, atmospheric war vibes and intensity were all in the manga
@AintNoWaye7 ай бұрын
everything you said is in the mha war clown
@joturd237 ай бұрын
mha in the manga had everything you're asking for the anime just decided to give the arc a bright blue sky and none of the gore it had almost like it was a sparring match in a highschool so thats completely on bones not mha itself
@dw98227 ай бұрын
I just finished JJK's Shibuya incident arc. Man that was nuts. I was just shocked about Nanami and nobara. I liked how choso changed sides
@kherikeyfoo7 ай бұрын
The thing about the shibuya incident was exactly what the name said incident meaning something is coming that's going to be crazy especially with kenjacho sus activities. And people are so desensitized to death you need it to feel something, and that's a little scary you don't experience it on a consistent basis or deal with psychopaths with Narssasistic syndrome these are kids if that are dealing with 15 year old minds.
@destenylegend12787 ай бұрын
I'm almost positive in every form of history and Media, a War is far more deadly, tense and hurtful than what was shown in MHA
@MrPotaaah7 ай бұрын
Deku was older than Itadori
@kherikeyfoo7 ай бұрын
@@MrPotaaah what are u guys talking about
@samuelclayhills32987 ай бұрын
If we are really nitpicky we can say that it wasen't actually a war it was at best a terrorist attack.
@kherikeyfoo7 ай бұрын
@ggwp638BC people want the regular with anime and manga and this isn't it. It's inherently dark and twisted. It's not by the power of friendship we'll win vibe. And shibuya wasn't a war arc it was an intro to the next phase of events.
@rennnnnnn777 ай бұрын
i feel like ppl miss the point in JJK’s constant death and killing of characters in that, the whole nature of jujutsu sorcery is more so about the strong/competent surviving and what it truly means to be strong. As well as the value of humanity in our characters. Both the deaths of heroes and villains show this in my opinions and that’s why i think a lot of the deaths work except for one death in the manga.
@glogangglory7 ай бұрын
Yea the anime also spells this out during Mahitos “You are me” speech by showing not only nobara was dead but hanami as well. Also Nobara and her death by proxy is embedded a little deeper into the thematic elements of the store. The whole idea of selfishness and growth as a sorcerer, as well as what it means to die a good death. The deaths really have meaning beyond shock value and character development
@PolloMarcko7 ай бұрын
@glogangglory probably would've hit harder if those characters didn't have 7 minutes of screen time combined. Also stop kidding urselves its all for shock value. I mean look at fraudjo his shit happens off screen for shock value.
@the1whoplayz7 ай бұрын
@@PolloMarcko ?????? Are you blind or did you just skip season 1???
@erehyayger6 ай бұрын
Honestly u couldnt b more wrong death isnt about stakes or consequence, its about the vacuum of despair it leaves. Nanami, nobara, or the disaster curses had 0 vacuum it was all on the fly. Twice left hawks in a state where he was prepared to let himself die to toga to repent because even he knew he killed a good guy who was forced n2 this lifestyle. It also made society see more of the gray area, that heroes will kill as long as it benefits what theyre going for(later reinforced by nagant). midnight resulted aizawa and mic depression, ashido maturing but also being conflicted on morals when seeing said killer, and its the first time those kids have to cope with death. In jjk after nobara and nanami died its a brief moment and its pretty much never mentioned by anyone other than itadori and megumi. Same with higaruma, yuki, and anyone else lol
@zzzzaccck68167 ай бұрын
It's ironic because JJK has the same problem. You bring up mahito killing characters when he only killed, Nanami, Jyupei, Nobara and I cared about none of them. Even the fanbase agrees both Nanami and Nobara are underdeveloped characters. Like you said with Midnight we barely spent any time with them and barely know anything about them, we only get Nobara's backstory for her death. Saying nothing really changes from the war or matters is insane when it literally changed the story entirely. Overall it's MHA's best arc.
@mysteryman94887 ай бұрын
Comparing Midnight with Nanami , Nobara or even Junpei is such a shit take xD. Midnight has deadass only appeared in a handful of manga panels, not even full chapters, panels. And she doesn't have an impact on any of her students exept 2 emotional speeches for Momo and Kaminari in the war arc, the arc where she literally dies. Meanwhile Nanami and Junpei had a whole arc where they where major players in and both left a profounding impact on Yuji, don't even need to being up Nobara since she's a characters that appears even more often. If you personally didn't care for them that's fine but saying they are the same as Midnight is just straight up wrong.
@zzzzaccck68167 ай бұрын
@@mysteryman9488 What? Midnight actually has more screentime than Nanami, Jyupei, Nobara combined 💀. Not even kidding. That just shows how little we saw them. I agree that Midnight had less impact on the characters in MHA than those 3 did in jjk, but they are still in the same boat as Midnight. They were barely developed and we barely spent any time with them.
@mysteryman94887 ай бұрын
@@zzzzaccck6816 She does not what do you mean xD?
@Thundeclap7 ай бұрын
@@zzzzaccck6816😂
@causationwarp23877 ай бұрын
@@mysteryman9488 I think he's right we saw midnight in the war, sports festival, final exams, and she was in the movie
@TheYoungGeninSasuke7 ай бұрын
MHA has more well written and enjoyable characters that stick around through the story. I love the parallels and foils dynamics between them like Shouto and Dabi, Ochako and Toga and Izuku and Shigaraki. Plus all these characters are good on there own and plus has more that I didn't mention. But they all play a role in the story that matters.
@Pipehiguita7 ай бұрын
Only for you
@jeffali51576 ай бұрын
Definitely not more well written, and the Izuku and Shiggy dynamic definitely isn’t touched up nearly as much since they barley interacted throughout the series and with how rushed the final act became. The rest though did have more structure though, most notably todofam. And that’s pretty much it lol.
@ultronerik1287 ай бұрын
One line… “You are my special.”
@TETANUS.5 ай бұрын
🐦 ~
@WindowsAndGhosts6 ай бұрын
I feel like this video all amounts to "I like one anime more than the other and so I care more about one than the other", but MHA's war arc would be flat out better if they eliminated talking it out as an option. That's what's killing it for me. The talk no jutsu crap has no place in such a huge conflict.
@tutumazibuko25106 ай бұрын
The main character literally said he's going to talk no jutsu the main villain lmao what are you talking about
@WindowsAndGhosts6 ай бұрын
@tutumazibuko2510 that's what I mean lol. It's so bad, it's boring.
@hype54565 ай бұрын
@tutumazibuko2510 I'm starting to think y'all aren't reading it
@PoIarisPrime5 ай бұрын
@@tutumazibuko2510 when ☠️☠️
@Shubham_8man7 ай бұрын
I think you are misunderstanding MHA story in general. MHA is not killing characters left and right just to make the protagonist stronger and better. Both stories are different and works well in their world. MHA is still good and JJK is good too. On the other hand, JJK fights were meaningless, pointless unless a character dies, on contrary MHA achieves same effect without killing. If all anime had same plot points, wouldn’t it be boring to watch??
@mysteryman94887 ай бұрын
MHA definetly does not achieve the same effect lol. There's only a handful of memorable fights in MHA in general, even less so in the war arc. Meanwhile the JJK fights are tense cause you know the stakes are high, there is no HMA fight that is beating the Yuji & Todo fight from JJK that fight is pretty much perfectly crafted build upon both Yuji and Mahito, Deku and Shigaraki have sort of the same thing going but because Shigaraki hasn't nearly affected Deku the same way Mahito affected Yuji (Deku's last time where he even met Shigaraki was back in S3) the fight has significantly less hype around it.
@bylan42247 ай бұрын
"Main characters and fan favorites will always have a lot of plot armor" Gege: "nah, you good"
@NorthVilla3 ай бұрын
😂
@michaeljeferson91187 ай бұрын
Shibuya was and will be iconic until the majority of the fan base either reads or watches the culling games arc when ever it is animated. Both set up essentially the final arcs of the series but for MHA they still have their main cast of characters and personalities that we care about and can play off of each other (unfortunately the story didn't utilize it as much as it should of) JJK has basically Yuji and Megumi left and the story suffers immensely as a result. When people say Yuji is a bad mc or not the MC its because of the story post Shibuya where he has NO ONE to really play off of and interact with. The story devolves into a generic Shonen battle manga where you just go from 1 fight to another with minimal character development or moments outside of fighting and Maki. The story feels like its just trying to match Shibuya without any of the story build up, with none of the characters, and with some of the most questionable writing decisions by Gege especially within the last arc. I was sold on this story with its promise of not being like other shonen manga but that is no longer the case unfortunately.
@jym2r6 ай бұрын
strange cause i have never been more invested in jjk than in recent chapters. the stakes are so high now that gojo is gone it really makes you wonder how the hell the gang is gonna pull off beating sukuna. culling games introduces amazing characters that you quickly come to love even without much time to develop their characters simply because of the amzing power system and creative fights it makes. Imo this style is the epitome of what a battle shounen should be. it doesn't have to have a huge focus on character development outside of fighting it's not a shoujo romance manga. it's the classic formula that dragon ball created but much more refined and without dragon balls to revive people, it's all the more intense which is what a battle shounen needs. interesting characters, interesting powers, and interesting fights and you're set
@michaeljeferson91186 ай бұрын
@@jym2r You hit the nail on the head but still missed the point. JJK was more than just a generic battle manga up until Shibuya. It had complex characters, high TANGIBLE stakes, an intriguing world, great chemistry between the cast, and a good MC who gave us the perspective we needed as outsiders to the story in order to learn as we go along. However, after Shibuya all of this was thrown out the window. Half of the cast was dead or written out of the story, the characters who were introduced are one dimensional, and the story in the manga does not change from the literal second that Gojo is sealed in Shibuya up until the final arc. Look, there's nothing wrong with liking the series, hell I still enjoy hearing about it. But the manga currently is a lot like GoT post redwedding, none of what initially drew me and a lot of others into the story remains and all that's left is appealing to mass audiences via being a generic battle manga.
@Luis-fh5bl7 ай бұрын
What a mature group of individuals. This is a great comment section.
@JimBeaz4 ай бұрын
1:46 well that had aged like milk
@ricotheexmongolianslave6924 ай бұрын
Emphasis on "at this point in the story"
@thegreatestoctopus97395 ай бұрын
Shibuya isn't really a good arc. 4 of the 6 villians die, Toji is brought back but contributes nothing to the plot, Nobara dies for no reason and Yuji reaches his character conclusion in this arc, he gets practically no more development later on. Shibuya strips the rest of the story of emotional moments, character development and actual stakes. See how nobody important dies for another 100 chapters after this arc until Sukuna regains his Heian era form? The Culling games arc is super boirng, apart from a few great moments and its not suprising, when 2/3 of your villians are dead and half of the plot lines have been wrapped up
@antonellpr5 ай бұрын
WAAAAWAAAAAWAAAAAAAA
@anoguser1463 ай бұрын
Toji contributes to nothing? He definitely did, if it weren't for toji, megumi's wouldn't have summoned mahoraga, nanami, maki, megumi, and that old dude would've died to dagon, and about Nobara, i guess her death is for yuji to develop as a character, but then again in a "war" you dont need to have a reason to die, you could die at any moment and you can't expect plot armor to save you
@thegreatestoctopus97393 ай бұрын
@@anoguser146 You could easily have Megumi and/or Maki become exponentially stronger in that fight and beat Dagin together, rather than rely on a man who's been dead for over a decade and got resurrected by chance. And you could just have some strong curses slowly weaken Megumi so he still has to summon Mahoraga. For Nobara's death, while in a war you could die in any second, main characters typically have emotional deaths and are important even after they die. Her death didn't contribute anything as Nanami had died just 5 minutes ago and she is mentioned like twice in the manga afterwards. The fact she isn't even important in the fight with Sukuna yet baffles me
@anoguser1463 ай бұрын
@@thegreatestoctopus9739 "emotional deaths and important deaths" isn't that basically nobara's death? Her death was emotional, and was important for yuji's development And while yes, strong curses that weaken megumi to summon mahoraga is indeed a good idea, but the thing is that won't happen... You say maki and megumi could've gotten stronger to kill dragon, but if that happened, megumi wouldn't have been weak enough to summon mahoraga ( toji weakened him so much that blonde hair got to stab him ), plus if dagon died and toji wasn't there to fight megumi, nobito and megumi would've died to jogo And I think it's more entertaining or interesting of how the original does it
@anoguser1463 ай бұрын
@@thegreatestoctopus9739 and how are they gonna be exponentialy stronger to beat dagon anyways? They are literally semi/grade 2 sorcerers 💀 even with 4 of them they were close to death
@lb_collector4 ай бұрын
Two things I don't like about MHA's war arc are: 1. Someone of value should've actually died. 2. Shigaraki being the final villain in a sense is incredibly boring to me, as he was never interesting to me. He's just a kid who's trying to pretend to be someone else.
@theophobia32674 ай бұрын
He’s not the final villain that’s afo
@lb_collector4 ай бұрын
@@theophobia3267 True, I guess not final villain, but he never lived up to the expectations left by AFO back with the bakugo incident. That and him getting an artificial power up by literally getting drugged up and experimented on for months.. I don't vibe with it.
@theophobia32674 ай бұрын
@@lb_collector have you even read the manga?
@lb_collector4 ай бұрын
@theophobia3267 nope. i'm talking about season 6, because that's all i have to base it on so far and that's the current impression i got from it.
@theophobia32674 ай бұрын
@@lb_collector there’s a plot twist later in the story that changes kinda everything and the previous scenes from the manga make a lot more sense in a character point of view.
@ZDiamond2083 ай бұрын
its just that the villains in jjk felt like they did something impactful, mahito killing nanami, killing kugisaki, heavily injuring todo, breaking yuji physicly and mentaly. while shigaraki, umm, almost killed a 60 year old? and caused eraser head to lose his leg, but nah both the 60 year old and eraser survive and are completly fine.
@anubeawaldron4732 ай бұрын
I thought the paranormal liberation arc was amazing imo.
@PurpleABlueAPlays6 ай бұрын
So something I realized while watching the video is that while you were talking about how MHA's War Arc is failing in tension, you didn't really bring up how the Shibuya Incident was better. You sort of crammed it all in the end once you were done ranting about the War Arc. Now, I'm not trying to insult you and I agree with your opinion to an extent; however, I feel like when doing comparison videos like this it's important to make sure you compare more scene and characters from both shows rather than just primarily focusing on one for most of the time.
@BuzzabeelYT7 ай бұрын
2:39 The thing about Gojo getting sealed raising the stakes of the story is... MHA did the same thing with All-Might during Kamino (which you do mention). That moment was _supposed_ to be the start of the downfall of hero society and it was... in the background. I don't think it has to do with the deaths either. imo it's because the villains lost. Twice died, Compress was captured, Dabi's reveal was undermined because Jeanist was alive, Toga and Spinner... were there. The PLF were all defeated. What changes because of the war, really? Heroes started quitting? Stain's whole purpose was to show that the heroes were superficial and quit the second things got real. Crime rose? It was *already* rising. That's Red Riot's whole arc! Aizawa can't erase as good as before? So, USJ but again? The prison breakout? What was stopping AFO from doing that before the war other than plot? There was 2 seasons worth of build up around Shigaraki leveling up and all this tension around not letting him get to Deku at all costs, but when he does get to Deku, Deku is able to hold his own fighting Shigaraki after only more basic training. The JJK equivalent would be if Megumi had actually been able to fight back against Toji and do more than run for his life. And yes, Shigaraki had been fighting for a while by then and was incomplete, but he should've still been leagues above a teenage boy with broken arms. Midnight's death was downright silly. I don't think any hero could've looked cool if they died because of pocket concrete, even if the audience spent 10 seasons with them. The only real consequence of MHA's war arc that wasn't already happening was the Todoroki family drama becoming public.
@MonkeyMan-hx7hv7 ай бұрын
Yes crime was already rising but after the war there were many citizens purchasing and using weapons to fight crime themselves which often caused more property damage and potential casualties then the average villain usually would since they were often just robbers with decent quirks. In the manga during the 2nd war it’s shown that Aizawa can’t use his quirk reliably at all even with the help of the water hero guy hydrating his eyes. This is way more pivotal then when the USJ invasion happened since shigaraki is a far greater threat and thus makes the reader or watcher deeply care about what happens to Aizawa. Prison break couldn’t have happened until after the war because the heroes would’ve gone to stop it instead of all being hospitalized, dead, or trying to evacuate everyone in the cities that were demolished in the war. I wouldn’t call Deku’s training basic since he specifically trained to better control black whip as well as using using uraraka’s quirk to quickly learn float. Also the point of showing that Deku was barely on par with shigaraki at shigaraki’s state during that fight (incomplete and already battle damaged like you said) is to show how much of a problem he would be when he would eventually become complete. That not only sets up the 2nd war arc but also helps justify deku’s vigilante arc by making it a big deal how dangerous a completed shigaraki and free AFO could be. Midnight didn’t technically die to the concrete she got killed off by a group of villains that showed up after she fell but I agree that it a dumb way to go out though
@BuzzabeelYT7 ай бұрын
@@MonkeyMan-hx7hv Training to control black whip and float ≠ months of assimilating AFO's quirks, being tortured for his body to be able to handle it, and having his quirk level up to city-level destruction. Compared to what Shigaraki went through, Deku's training is basic. Deku was 100% keeping up with Shigaraki. If he wasn't he wouldn't have been able to pull him away from the heroes and save them. If Deku hadn't shown up, can you really say that the heroes fighting Shigaraki wouldn't have all died? Counterpoint to the buying of weapons and tech to cause more damage than average after the war: they were already doing that. Not the citizens, granted, but the entire Yakuza arc about quirk boosting drugs is about that and how the average villain was no longer 'average'. The heroes were all already stretched thin before the war. There's no way they would be able to stop several prison breaks at once on top of keeping the city criminals in check when they couldn't even catch the league at the Yakuza compound despite how many heroes were present. They couldn't even contain the damage caused by the PLF, who they had the jump on. More criminals would've been recaptured, yes, but the powerful ones like Nagant? I'm sorry but the #8 hero isn't stopping her. Whatever prison Endeavor was sent to would probably end up being the most contained, but he can't be everywhere at once.
@yuricecconi5617 ай бұрын
@@BuzzabeelYT Would like to note that Shigaraki is not city level. He destroyed a building IIRC, not an entire city.
@BuzzabeelYT7 ай бұрын
@@yuricecconi561 He leveled at least several blocks and that entire compound when the heroes were running from him after he woke up.
@yuricecconi5617 ай бұрын
@@BuzzabeelYT while it's true that in a powerscaling discussion, city level does not mean to have a city level feat, a few blocks is still much smaller than a city.
@Sayrn.3 ай бұрын
how the main cast of "teenagers" havent died yet is surprising thats like sending a 16 year old to war and excepting them to come back home
@muhammadsyazwanarif3010Ай бұрын
Wut? First of all, all of them already got their official hero license. Which means, they are already eligible to do hero works and it's already been established that heroes that died in battle are normal occurence since season 3. So, for them it isn't something that they wouldn't expect so idk where you get these impressions that all of them are naive.
@OK-694207 ай бұрын
3:48 Dekus entire vigilante arc, multiple characters being injured, the fall of hero society and Midnights death is nothing to you?
@Aster_ace7 ай бұрын
Not really. Deku left because he knew he'd be a danger to everyone else, good. He then comes back to UA about 2 weeks to at most a month later despite his classmates barely showing they were capable enough to defend themselves should another Afo attack happen. Boo-hoo, multiple characters got injured in a war. They then proceed to be healed and get into a brawl against the strongest kid in their class in, again, 2 weeks to a month at most later. The hero society falling was big but it's effects on the world and it's characters aren't really explored nearly as much as it could've been And like Ent said, while Midnight was a semi-important character, her death didn't really cause any super major changes in the character's personalities or the outlook of the story. It's like Night-eye's death. Was it sad? Yes. Did it affect a few characters? Yes. Did it really make anyone that upset or feel any major feelings of sadness for longer than the episode itself? In what way has Midnight *really* been so important that her death was supposed to be super impactful?
@OK-694207 ай бұрын
@@Aster_ace 1. It was confirmed to be a month and the reason Deku came back is because they made him realize only Deku can save them.
@OK-694207 ай бұрын
@@Aster_ace 2. Hero society falling literally kick started all the upcoming manga arcs..
@OK-694207 ай бұрын
@@Aster_ace 3. Fair, but hawks death did fix that problem in the future...
@Aster_ace7 ай бұрын
@@OK-69420 But he's only one person. And it's crazy to think that, after beating a starving, sleep deprived Deku, it was THAT that made him think they were ready. Not him going at full strength and them almost beating him, them just barely beating a way weaker version of him. It just seemed so...flimsy to me. Like if they just said "Pretty please with a cherry on top" while batting their eyelashes he would've agreed anyways
@imjay17887 ай бұрын
Mahito does not seem more dangerous then shiggy
@hellothere-ig6jg7 ай бұрын
Mahito is a more likable than shighy imo
@ashborn73437 ай бұрын
@@hellothere-ig6jghell no wth
@averageguy76207 ай бұрын
@@hellothere-ig6jg Mahito is hated by most of the community what do you mean 💀
@hellothere-ig6jg7 ай бұрын
@@averageguy7620 bruv you didn't even visit the other side of the community
@lilkoto50196 ай бұрын
How does Shigaraki feel more dangerous, when he IS OP as fuck and in the Battle against the heroes doesnt do shit. If Mahito was as powerful as Shigaraki he would have killed everyone beside Gojo 😂😂
@dingostk96557 ай бұрын
If you say you actually cared about nanami and nobara when they died you’re just lying gege doesnt know how to write his characters😭😭
@Abridgimation7 ай бұрын
A lot more people care about them than Midnight, Crust or Twice, given how Horikoshi has zero balls and can't commit to giving the main characters consequences. There's a reason JJK is selling more copies than Mid Hero Academia 🤡
@aiofg75457 ай бұрын
nah there are a lot of people who cared
@millicentwilson95677 ай бұрын
@@Abridgimation Exactly how much emotional impact did their deaths have on the watchers? A few hours? Probably a day at most. Almost no one felt that sad, sure people WANT them back but no one really felt that sad a day later
@cuefy7 ай бұрын
@@millicentwilson9567 this point doesnt hold any weight what so ever. the same thing can be said about any death in any fictional story ever... its just part of realising its only fiction no death is gonna keep you up at night for longer than a day its common sense.
@cuefy7 ай бұрын
@@aiofg7545 no one said anything about no one caring. the point is the percentage of people who care for mha characters dying is significantly less than people who care for jjk characters dying
@Kweli-kw3djАй бұрын
Bro didn't even mention Mechamaru's death 😭 He just wanted to see Miwa
@ragnaricstudios58886 ай бұрын
Dabi’s reveal was so obvious though, like ofc the guy who uses fire powers is related to the guy who uses fire powers
@Roy-sr6gs6 ай бұрын
Tbh, it wasn't a revelation, it was a confirmation
@ragnaricstudios58886 ай бұрын
@@Roy-sr6gsbut they put so much emphasis on it like it’s some kind of twist, I was just done with MHA right when that scene happened in the manga, previous scenes were weird and didn’t add any weight, but they weren’t terrible, but the Dabi scene I was like “ok shut up”
@Roy-sr6gs6 ай бұрын
@@ragnaricstudios5888 Yeah, we saw it coming since his first appearance so it couldn't have any of the cool factor the revelations have lol