That's just, like, your opinion man.

@@sambassmusic78 Axl literally self-immolated, Kurt didn't do anything or even affect Axl in any way, although his suicide may have minimally affected Axl. Axl destroyed himself. He went through legal problems in 1994, tried to commit suicide and his mother died from cancer. He went into seclusion for years and when he tried to come back everything fell apart with the departure of Slash and Duff (Let's be honest, Axl probably didn't care about Matt. although the guy is quite loyal to the people who give him reciprocity, If I remember correctly Axl and Matt had a fight or maybe the band itself) So the only thing Kurt could have affected is literally "encouraging" Axl's suicide. Anyway, we know that Kurt is also a brat who exaggerated too many things. But Axl is the type of person who has mental illnesses, but still and thank God he is with us, simply being happy Sorry for my bad English, gringo♡ podcast(? Is it a podcast haha? Peace

@@Hold_on7 What a well thought out and articulated comment. Although I agree with your assessment of Axl, I still think Kurt did a number on his public image. I don't agree that Kurt was a brat and if you're going to bring up Axl's mental illness, how could you leave out Kurt's? As far as this show being a podcast...it's your crossword puzzle 👽

@@sambassmusic78 Thank for repost♡ Be careful, countryman, there is a lot I want to talk about, so stay away from the Bibles. While I think that "damaging" Axl's public image in part didn't really have a crucial impact, what truly damaged Axl's image were the altercations that were marked for posterity and also the delays (sometimes justifiable and other times not) also his offstage "fights" like Vince Niel(? (I really don't even remember his name). I think these fights really came about just to stir the pot and attract people Speaking of Axl's public figure, I don't think he was drastically damaged by Kurt, I feel like it was a combination of factors such as the mistreatment with Slash, who told white lies to look good in public while damaging Axl's image, painting him as a "control freak" (Something people say a lot. I think you won't believe me but Slash is a pretty lying guy, said by his closest friends) and despite really having problems with control (for example Axl claiming to want to have control in everything) I feel that they (and him) overexaggerated a lot in that term Another thing that affected his image was his excessive privacy (he is the only one who does not have an autobiography and it would really be interesting to read to understand more about what he has experienced) This mystique around Axl was also one of the things that really attracted me and also kept me from having to see totally disgusting types of comments towards him, coming from ignorance. This disconnection with the "fans" has also led many to call him bad or treat him as a bad person. I remember anecdotes from other people knowing Axl that really talk about him as another human being with a faithful heart, such as the time a fan ran into Axl in a bar and they talked for hours, and surprisingly Axl is a person who talks quite a bit. and openly expresses his feelings and thoughts. Axl has told how during the 2000s he felt lost and simply sad (he was obviously depressed). Talking about of Kurt, I really feel that in my perception he is a somewhat hypocritical person, calmly if you wanted to disappear from the media you could have done it in the blink of an eye, just like Axl did without any effort. Also if you wanted to be really "purist" you could have not done things that marked your career like MTV and interviews in famous places claiming that that was not "pure". Axl on the other hand did all this during the 2000s with CD (Chinese Democracy) literally the man did not promote or publicize his project for it to be sold, he just left it there for whoever wants to listen to it. The only publicity he did was an interview with Rolling Stone, nothing more and nothing less, there is not even a clip or music video of any of the songs on CD About Kurt I think from my perspective that he was a brat not in the way that you would believe about having knowledge about his life but from simply seeing what he did in some cases contradicting himself or being hypocritical, in fact I remember a really good comment written by a fan of Nirvana "The last thing I can say about Kurt is that he was a good musician." and what I hate most of all is the "dehumanization" (I say it in an exaggerated way because I have no other word at the moment) that they did to Axl, suffering from mental illness and that people take advantage of that is not nice at all ( Yoda and Beta are a clear example of people who abused Axl's trust), I also don't like comments like "But Kurt suffered more." This is definitely the most wrong comment I could have ever heard and that is why I feel that the Nirvana community (Kurt) is quite reprehensible for these types of comments, just like "I wish Axl had committed suicide" they are also completely hypocritical and in bad taste that left me simply sad about how insensitive they can be, without also telling about of the massive hatred just for this preschool fight started by Kurt trying to be the hero of a story and failing when he knew that Axl really had more support back then, of course knowing the popularity of Guns in 1992 you could realize how it all ended at that time By the way, I had no idea that this was a podcast, how curious, cheers, I hope you succeed♡

hahaha exactly!!

Its so hard ig being nirvana fan and not bring axl down for a minute

I remember blaring “Civil War” in a 1990 Thunderbird (black one, too, stereo was fuggin’ crazy) - and after the song was over? Lounge Act. Meaning? Gossip-feud bullshit from 33 years ago. Doesn’t matter now. It’s 2024. Have to say, though, the lack of a true rock icon after Kurt Cobain is evident in the present. It’s all “bleh” from 1994 on, apparently, until the next “one” shows up…

Hell yeah

You are correct! I made a mistake.

It is true, Guns is back and I wish them the best. The show, however, is about the 90's.

We are in fact eating spaghetti...and literally reviewing "The Spaghetti Incident" album.

👍

I agree with that, they were the bridge and I like Axl as an artist. The whole band is good.

Right on.

I like the Use Your Illusion 1 & 2 albums, I mention that at one point in the episode. However it is true that I don't like Appetite For Destruction.😁

I agree with you, they were headed in different directions. Glad to meet another fan of The Spaghetti Incident!

@@sambassmusic78 Likewise. Shot bro.

Hell yeah! Your comment is hitting great too! 🤘

Awesome! Yes, it is an all covers album. 😎

Maybe I'll give those albums another chance. What was it about them that you liked?

I did see the actual footage, it's from a show they played in 1993. It's on You Tube and Krist is making fun of the GNR video during some stage banter.

@@sambassmusic78 Could it rather be from the MTV music award 1992 ?

I couldn't find the footage for now. But I found a footage of Rose burning his Nirvana cap on stage.

@@funfair-bs7wf No it was from a show in 1993 but I just don't remember which one I saw. I saw Kurt making fun of "Use Your Illusion" in an interview too. It was a running joke within the band.

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Is Axl paying you to say this?🤣

Its axels maid that writes the checks. She has been with him since forever... Don’t mess with mama Sasinta!!!

@@latentsea Can you get me on the payroll?

Whoa you are coming in hot

Axl is being so fkn real

If Kurt was murdered, his murderer was the stupidest of the stupids. Why just not let him die from an overdose ? Why shooting him with such a big gun ? Nobody would do that to stage a suicide. This crazily long gun is just Cobain wanting to be sure he would never wake up or miss his shot (actually you can survive with a shot in the head). Sad story. And he could have been saved. Several people went in his house when he was still hidding there, alive, planning his suicide, and maybe doubting. But they didn't find him. The truth seems rather be that too many people, including his closest ones, where making him feel guilty. Everybody was saying him he was a shity irredeemable junky, and he believed it.

@@funfair-bs7wf I think you've got a point. I wish he could have just got away from it all for a while to realize the position he was in. He could have done anything.

@@sambassmusic78 Yeah I thought exactly the same once. I don't know if it could have been possible to bring him to take that kind of radical break. Anyway the story of Kurt Cobain really shows a failure of how society relate to addictions, depression and suicide. People think that suicide is a choice, but suicide is just a part of depression, the deadly part of depression. I think Kurt simply needed time and love, empathy, without judgment, to get free from the guilt that crippled him to death. Also, I've red a bit Cross's Heavier than Heaven, and when I red that there was a closed section in the rehab center where he went, I told myself "darn, he could have saved"... but apparently people where either not taking his self destructive tendencies seriously, or didn't know what to do. Love said she understood that the OD in Rome was a suicide attempt... but I don't understand why no goddamn psychiatrist didn't just put him in closed service. Actually he could have been saved so many times... That is so sad. Hopefully, with what we know today and public education about mental health, that would not happen. Cheers from Belgium, it's one a.m. here, I must go to sleep.

How is it click bait when I actually include information about the video in the title?

I agree with a lot here but I think if Kurt and Axl had been cool it may have led to Axl turning GNR into the industrial rock band he wanted it to be. That would have fit right in with the late 90's and GNR would have had a second act.

Sorry to say, but Chinese Democracy was worth the wait only because of “Better” and “Street Of Dreams”. Might hear crap out of this, but those two songs could probably displace UYI and Appetite “staples” on a GNR greatest hits collection… I’d throw “November Rain” down the crapper in favor of “Street Of Dreams”. And “Better” could decapitate and incinerate any leftovers of “Sweet Child O’ Mine”. I said it and will own the opinion. Bumblefoot kicked ass on the tracks, other guitarest(s) on the album didn’t really do it..

@@jme23 I think the first three opening tracks are an epic way to start the record. "Better" is in fact my favorite song on the album.

Mickey Mouse?

What does that have to do with anything?

@@JohnDoe-od7ye Mickey is public domain? Ya, your right. LOL

@@sambassmusic78 Obama

@@dacechasinghawk3910 Axel sings like Mickey now. It’s embarrassing beyond belief.

You can't say he didn't kill hair metal...

@@sambassmusic78 yeah you can because hair metal was already unpopular. what are you like 19?

I highly doubt Kurt Cobain would be involved in a "wrestling style media feud" with a label mate to sell products.

Kurt genuinely disliked Axel as a person after he threatened to beat him up at the MTV Music Awards.

@@sambassmusic78 Why is that? Did you know him personally? Was he your friend or why are you so sure about it

@@JohnDoe-od7ye I think anyone would have that reaction.

@@JohnDoe-od7ye Did he say that to you or how do you know his exact thoughts?

What info exactly are you referring to?

@@sambassmusic78 it was Steven Adler who was behind the spaghetti incident lawsuit, not Izzy.

@@animalwillopus79 Looks like you're right I knew Izzy left the group around that time so I got them mixed up.

Yes he is.

@@moreblack 🤣

Yeah I left out the part where Axl literally threw down a microphone and quit the show because someone took his picture (leading to thousands of dollars in damages from rioters).

@@sambassmusic78 thats right he jumped in crowd lol . Saw him smash a few mics . 🤣👍🙂

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So you're more willing to believe that Kurt's ghost destroyed Axl's career than what he actually did while alive?

Um...there are literally videos of Nirvana playing stadiums on You Tube.

@neinnonon There's the random troll I was looking for!

The hot chick said hi 😜

I felt the same way about your comment 🤣

@@sambassmusic78 The worst thing you can do is literally reply to a hater💀, stop embarrassing yourself

@@Hold_on7 I don't feel embarrassed at all even after I replied to you

@@sambassmusic78 mhm. Taking advantage of your comment, I also wanted to comment on Spaghetti Incident, I really love that album a lot despite only being a cover and also despite being the least sold album (if I remember correctly) of their discography. I also love Duff Mckagan's participation in some songs, his voice is so punk♡♡, Axl faking the accent is really funny... Even so, this album has its pros and cons but most people (although not Slash due to the real disconnection with the band and especially with Axl) love this album. I also think that it is a great album where some things were broken within the band (like the Sympathy) It was also an album created specifically just to support their biggest influences (except for Ac/dc since they were doing "their cover" years ago) that were not recognized and to this day are not recognized, such as Hanoi Rocks and others. There is also a secret quite hidden in the coded cover that literally says: Fuck Em All (funny Axl, I know it was you hahahah)

Because I'm sure the record companies had a flow chart and they mapped it out just like that

Nirvana was the god of a decade of culture that changed everything, literally a band made myth. That band soars over those other bands you mentioned.

@@barkley8285 🤯👍✌

@@barkley8285 if by myth you mean lie, sure.. but nirvana did nothing other bands hadnt already done just the year(s) before.. compared to green river/mudhoney, pixies and deep wound/dinosaur jr? they introduced nothing new, but they did make it successful.

@@miou-miou- True but Nirvana never said they were the origin of all things great. Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden and AIC all freely admitted to being randomly chosen as the Big 4 during their prime. They saw no difference in what they were doing with the bands you mentioned as well as many others. I remember during peak grunge Eddie Vedder talking about how it was cool/fine for PJ to get attention from the media, initially, but they should have moved on to the bands you mentioned or even other ones.

What a zinger! 🤮

@@sambassmusic78 factual though. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. I didn’t pull the trigger 🤷🏻‍♂️

I don't think he was jealous of anyone's music skills

@@sambassmusic78 didn't say jealous. But probably resented them for being good while macho

@@Hygelac1000 I think their next album was going to actually be called "Good While Macho".

Nah, Grunge not only made hair metal culturally irrelevant it also made GNR culturally irrelevant too. And “selling well” is not important. I’m talking about cultural relevance back when the world was small pre-internet. It’s impossible for anyone after Gen X to grasp the cultural importance of grunge because the world was a different planet 30-35 years ago. Just like it’s impossible for us Gen X’ers to comprehend the cultural relevance of The Beatles.

@@JohnDoe-od7ye nah you're wrong. Use Your Illusion 1 and 2 was huge amid Nirvana. November Rain was at the top

The way I see it, Kurt Cobain suffered from mental illness problems but still managed to make sure his daughter was set for life. That doesn't seem very meaningless to me.

No what is that?

@@sambassmusic78 its when a girl vomitting spaghetti all over nikki when nikki and tommy made a stupid bet.

@@axlscum 🤢🤮