How Machiavellian was Machiavelli? Public lecture by Quentin Skinner

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University of York

University of York

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Professor Quentin Skinner delivered a public lecture at the University of York, on the occasion of the 500th anniversary of the composition of Niccolò Machiavelli's The Prince.
Professor Skinner is the Barber Beaumont Professor of the Humanities at Queen Mary, University of London.

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@imago9059
@imago9059 Ай бұрын
Machiavelli was a genius when it came to uncovering and explaining the complexity of human behavior and how that applies especially in politics. People often forget to put him in the context of his time and have a broader picture of things. They would appreciate his writings more.
@kit888
@kit888 2 жыл бұрын
00:01 Introduction to Machiavelli 03:25 The Prince Practical advice about statecraft, to new princes 05:25 Virtu Indispensable set of qualities to succeed Principle task of understanding The Prince is to understand Virtu 1. Power to offset Fortuna (luck) 2. Power to get lucky (Fortuna is not providence), ability to seize opportunities 3. Enables you to maintain your state, standing, as a ruler 4. Maintain the jurisdictions and institutions of the state 15:50 Hiero of Syracuse 16:40 Avoid being hated and despised Ok to be feared 18:15 Getting power Many ways Only one way to maintain power - Virtu 19:05 Goal should be glory Do great things 21:30 Other books on advice to princes Justice is essential Cicero - faith, keep your word Seneca - liberality/generosity, clemency (going beyond being just) Three princely virtues - justice, generosity, clemency 26:50 Chapter 15 Machiavelli disagrees, departs massively from conventional advice Follow the three princely virtues only as long as they help you maintain your state (consequentialism) Princely judgement (Virtu) is judging when that is right 32:00 Chapter 18 How far should you keep your promises? Keep your word only if it helps you maintain your state This is confirmed by experience e.g. Pope Alexander VI So that people don't care, be brilliant at dissembling, like a fox 35:05 Summary Be good if possible, be evil when necessary That's a virtuous prince But this is a crude analysis 36:10 However, that is only true for justice Not for liberality or clemency - How Machiavellian was Machiavelli? If they ruin you, how can they be virtuous? 38:10 Thucydides Corcya civil war The first casualty is moral language Evil acts excused as virtues, good actions denigrated 41:00 Aristotle, Art of Rhetoric Manipulate moral language to excuse vices (rhetoric) Quintilian - paradiastole (re-describing vices by using neighboring virtues) Interpretation #2 Thucydides - the rhetorical trick is *pointing out* the re-description of vices as virtues Rutilius Lupus, Rhetorical ad Herennium 47:00 Chapter 16 Concerning Liberality What passes for the virtue of liberality (generosity) is the vice of extravagance Liberality can cause you to raise taxes ==> hatred ==> lose state Therefore being miserly is not a vice 48:00 Chapter 17 Concerning Cruelty and Clemency What passes for the virtue of clemency is the vice of over indulgence Scipio was lax 50:25 Louis XII Parsimonious, therefore could fight wars without raising taxes, therefore generous 51:10 Cesare Borgia Cruel at the outset, but brought peace and prosperity, therefore merciful 51:45 Summary Political virtue - will it help you maintain your state? Justice - often needs to be avoided True liberality always works True clemency always works
@micheleinacharles-hazellem1968
@micheleinacharles-hazellem1968 2 жыл бұрын
This is brilliant … thanks for the generosity
@abrahamdecruz5128
@abrahamdecruz5128 Жыл бұрын
@@micheleinacharles-hazellem1968 wonderful summary. You understood the book well and its applicability. Gracias.
@DryNox
@DryNox 4 жыл бұрын
12:30 ‘Moses cheated because God told him what to do, so that doesn’t really count’ I find this statement quite hilarious
@adtiamzon3663
@adtiamzon3663 2 жыл бұрын
Professor Skinner, I admire your interpretation of Machiavelli's writing. Excellent! 👏👏❤
@joslynaarons6885
@joslynaarons6885 6 ай бұрын
Professor thank you for your magnificent interpretation of Machiavelli’s greatest work, Il Principe. Of all the multiple interpretations I have listened to, about 20, yours tops it all. Grazie mille Professore 🙏
@enasshehadeh1
@enasshehadeh1 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll quote this to be the most true short describing sentence for the “prince “ book and among the many unjust and cruel explanations for machiavelli’s great mental faculties “The prince must be someone willing to do evil that good shall come of it “ Thank you for the good lecture .
@rishabhkumar4328
@rishabhkumar4328 4 жыл бұрын
This is the finest commentary on Machiavelli I have seen or read.
@jamesbaseman7297
@jamesbaseman7297 8 жыл бұрын
Im a big Machiavelli fan and i would like to thank you for this most interesting lecture prof. Skinner
@coffeefrog
@coffeefrog 9 жыл бұрын
This is a captivating and rich lecture on another incredible mind! Thanks very much to Prof. Skinner!
@yassinjouihri1578
@yassinjouihri1578 4 жыл бұрын
In italian, the word "stato" can mean also a state of something, for example a mental state or an emotional state.
@dirannerus8408
@dirannerus8408 9 жыл бұрын
The study of the Machiavellian thought or idea is a complex one and this lecture has done great justice introducing its literature. Thank you professor.
@SuperBennyboy12345
@SuperBennyboy12345 10 жыл бұрын
The first thoroughly enjoyable and absorbing lecture i have ever seen on the subject of Machiavelli
@mykindgeeman
@mykindgeeman 10 жыл бұрын
Thoroughly absorbing- an amazing lecture and lecturer
@rafabetlejewski6722
@rafabetlejewski6722 4 жыл бұрын
Wonderful lecture and fantasticly delivered
@pascaltremblay6752
@pascaltremblay6752 10 жыл бұрын
Great lecture!
@gustavonevescoelho5826
@gustavonevescoelho5826 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent lecture! Thanks!
@breezebugatti6942
@breezebugatti6942 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you kindly Sir!
@Dancing77Kat
@Dancing77Kat 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant lecture. I especially loved you touching upon disguising vices and when is virtue a vice. Thank you.
@MichelMawon4982
@MichelMawon4982 3 жыл бұрын
About 40 minutes in, I think he aptly describes a lot if what's going in today's society regarding the seizing of moral language to advance partisan ideals and redescribing vices as their closely related virtues.
@Hsaelt
@Hsaelt 3 жыл бұрын
Woah, well said. Didn't expect from a black woman, no offence.
@revelations2044
@revelations2044 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hsaelt what xDD
@Hsaelt
@Hsaelt 2 жыл бұрын
@@revelations2044 what
@revelations2044
@revelations2044 2 жыл бұрын
@@Hsaelt xDD
@Hsaelt
@Hsaelt 2 жыл бұрын
@@revelations2044 why u mock me so 🥺🥺🥺
@calvinginya718
@calvinginya718 6 жыл бұрын
I play this every night b4 going to bed sad I wish I could find more like this
@ripred42
@ripred42 5 жыл бұрын
Here's some similar videos I have found kzfaq.info/sun/PLY9znvXifSMwsjZXYLa_rRF5wtbw62YC6
@EvieMatavelli
@EvieMatavelli 3 жыл бұрын
The analysis of chapter XV should be its own a TED talk. As a descendant of the man, this is a great class.
@julesjgreig
@julesjgreig 3 жыл бұрын
Best talk I’ve heard on Machiavelli, thank you very much.
@maxrappricciardi8218
@maxrappricciardi8218 3 жыл бұрын
Great lecture. 👏👏👏👏
@amitojha9
@amitojha9 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Professor! A lot.
@eduardocarvalho1660
@eduardocarvalho1660 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent lecture.
@humbertogonzalezespinoza7806
@humbertogonzalezespinoza7806 2 жыл бұрын
Notable clase del profesor Skinneer acerca de cómo se maneja realmente el poder desde siempre y hasta hoy y en el futuro......
@leonardodavid2842
@leonardodavid2842 2 жыл бұрын
Just a note, by empeor Antoninus, Machiavelli means Caracalla. Today we distinguish between Antoninus Pius, Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, and Caesar Marcus Aurelius Severus Antoninus Pius Augustus (Caracalla), as Antoninus (because he was the first emperor with such a surname), Marcus Aurelius (cutting it short to avoid confusion) and Caracalla (a nickname), since he had stolen the name in order to associate himself to previous greater emeperors. This is the same thing we do today for Caligula. Ancient historians called him Divus Gaius to distinguish him, bur his real name was Gaius Julius Caesar Germanicus (which however was also the name of many other prominant Roman figures including emperors). Bad emperors in general today are just called by nicknames. Great emeperors always keep their favorite name (usually… Augustus is agustus, despite the fact that all emperors were called Augustus). However during the renaissance Caracalla was still called by his prefered name (his fake surname) of Antoninus. The real antoninus was called Antoninus Pius. For example, the baths of Caracalla in the Noli map of Rome are called antoninian baths. As opposed to the baths of Caracalla as we call them today.
@renatosassone-corsi1042
@renatosassone-corsi1042 6 ай бұрын
Excellent, wonderful speaker..!
@nelsongonzalez4533
@nelsongonzalez4533 3 жыл бұрын
Nice ☺️ and clear lecture 👍 on the Prince by Machiavelli.
@Marjorie-yt7pb
@Marjorie-yt7pb 9 ай бұрын
Great illuminating Lecture☺️👍
@helenemasour9256
@helenemasour9256 3 жыл бұрын
fantastic lecture
@AmNotHere911
@AmNotHere911 10 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but the professor's citation of Thucydides description of the perversion of moral language is uncanny in its similarities between Orwell's description of double think.
@taranmurray7046
@taranmurray7046 4 жыл бұрын
I think you are on the right track here as well.
@oedrogonzalez7056
@oedrogonzalez7056 4 жыл бұрын
Great video
@pauline6322
@pauline6322 5 жыл бұрын
Insightful lecture! Thank you so much for this! :)
@RozenKnight1990
@RozenKnight1990 10 жыл бұрын
Wonderful lecture. Thank you
@swar3194
@swar3194 2 ай бұрын
love from persia andfire the sound guy
@sunofsotep8265
@sunofsotep8265 2 жыл бұрын
My gosh That was utterly brilliant! Piercingly insightful, and absolutely fascinating.
@chiefprimo5827
@chiefprimo5827 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this youtube post
@shakespearaamina9117
@shakespearaamina9117 7 жыл бұрын
one of the amazing professors to learn from! Thank you sir indeed
@husnibadi834
@husnibadi834 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@ahsanmohammed1
@ahsanmohammed1 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@onagoity
@onagoity 9 жыл бұрын
very good one
@yassinjouihri1578
@yassinjouihri1578 4 жыл бұрын
There are some mistakes in subtitles, one of them is when he uses latin words but are targeted as italian word
@michaelemorrison
@michaelemorrison 8 жыл бұрын
very good lecture.
@artemisios
@artemisios 6 жыл бұрын
Per par condicio lo dico in italiano. Il termine "virtù" aveva, ai tempi di Machiavelli, e anche adesso, il significato di "forza", in particolare, di una forza che agisce e crea delle conseguenze. In italiano parliamo tuttora di virtù di una legge, di un ragionamento, o di un farmaco.
@villiestephanov984
@villiestephanov984 5 жыл бұрын
..of particular Roman regiment.
@nelsongonzalez4533
@nelsongonzalez4533 3 жыл бұрын
A good leader should show leadership by force if necessary and by deeds instead of words, however, a charismatic leader with a strong character and personality could take him very far. Virtud means his attributes and his skills. Thank you very much.
@jscott1622
@jscott1622 2 жыл бұрын
That point about Clemency and Liberality was extremely interesting and something I missed in my reading of The Prince
@bryfromportal
@bryfromportal 10 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what Machiavelli would have wanted us to believe
@Mike-hu6ch
@Mike-hu6ch 10 жыл бұрын
So deep. Humans are ridiculous man.
@user-hu3iy9gz5j
@user-hu3iy9gz5j Жыл бұрын
In reality, Machiavelli was the first anti-machiavellian
@user-kp3db1wu4w
@user-kp3db1wu4w 7 ай бұрын
Machiavelli would not be remotely concerned with what we might believe.
@jalgaonmh1931
@jalgaonmh1931 2 ай бұрын
What do you means. .. what he want to believe..i don't understand that..?
@PolarP_
@PolarP_ Ай бұрын
Where can I physically attend lectures like these?
@rakitipakiti
@rakitipakiti 7 жыл бұрын
What a fucking boss!! I loved this lecture!
@sofiahathaway8024
@sofiahathaway8024 3 жыл бұрын
have anyone of you read the book 'Quest for Freedom. An Interview with Quentin Skinner'? I'd really recommend it.
@triumphbobberbiker
@triumphbobberbiker Жыл бұрын
Grandioso
@hawk0485
@hawk0485 7 жыл бұрын
Consequentialism, when applied to the shortest period of time becomes opportunism and when applied to eternity becomes idealism. To what temporal horizon does Machiavelli bind his judgement of virtue?
@ofamily8180
@ofamily8180 5 жыл бұрын
Good question? 🤔
@fukpoeslaw3613
@fukpoeslaw3613 3 жыл бұрын
max one lifespan ofcourse
@vlad3192
@vlad3192 2 жыл бұрын
Nice interpretation of consequentialism (not really)
@hawk0485
@hawk0485 2 жыл бұрын
@@vlad3192 I'm just playing with the idea, no need to be sarcastic and mean :)
@NeilFLiversidge
@NeilFLiversidge 3 жыл бұрын
I can't find that justice quote attributed to Saki. Are you sure he said it?
@theocave7108
@theocave7108 3 жыл бұрын
He's referring to Sacchi (humanist writer)
@user-hu3iy9gz5j
@user-hu3iy9gz5j Жыл бұрын
Now we're asking the real questions
@nomos6508
@nomos6508 4 жыл бұрын
there is quentin tarantino... and quentin skinnner
@jekareloaded9343
@jekareloaded9343 3 жыл бұрын
What's wrong with the sound
@ninirema4532
@ninirema4532 2 жыл бұрын
super
@darkrebel123
@darkrebel123 Жыл бұрын
ugh I cant hear him. the volume is too low even with all my volume settings maxed out
@BossChronicles
@BossChronicles 8 жыл бұрын
What should i major in and what career should i pursue to be like him
@BossChronicles
@BossChronicles 8 жыл бұрын
+Sven Meier stfu
@marietoft1876
@marietoft1876 7 жыл бұрын
Philosophy and history of philosophy of course :-) unless you mean machiaveli in which case diplomat and writer who reads philosophy
@emilioperez6435
@emilioperez6435 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder how high machiavelli would of scored on Robert Hare's psychopathic test.
@mauriciorodriguez3066
@mauriciorodriguez3066 10 жыл бұрын
cool
@3dferr
@3dferr 10 жыл бұрын
a good explanation about the concept of virtù.
@Rico-Suave_
@Rico-Suave_ 8 ай бұрын
Watched all of it 53:46
@Soloohara
@Soloohara Жыл бұрын
his italian accent was on point
@APerez89
@APerez89 7 ай бұрын
Lmao "severus" as his bame implies 🔥🔥🔥😂😂😂😂
@Sunscreen1973
@Sunscreen1973 8 жыл бұрын
Increasingly topical. All we need now is reality.. oh hang on..
@watchit387
@watchit387 3 жыл бұрын
In these 50 minutes, I was taken 100 meters below my intellectual depth
@hanzketchup859
@hanzketchup859 Жыл бұрын
Glory is greater than oneself , to be a glorious figure , according to Machiavelli was to restore Rome , how is that a personal credit ? Obviously no man is an island , Machiavelli was a masterful recruiter who valued the Republic , Glory is shared and lasting if the Republic is maintained .
@mohamedmansor61
@mohamedmansor61 10 жыл бұрын
Virtue
@Coyote_Trickster
@Coyote_Trickster 3 жыл бұрын
14:32
@klnine
@klnine 8 жыл бұрын
how can someone be so naive to say these issues doesn't hold now , because we are in a "Democracy " ....weird , ! Where has he been..oh yes academia !
@littlegreenguy4130
@littlegreenguy4130 4 жыл бұрын
19:30
@frederickmorris2216
@frederickmorris2216 6 ай бұрын
He forgot one of his own rules as an adviser to power ...do not offer advice unless asked for it from the ruler..the reason being that a ruler must never see you as smarter or a threat to him/her..
@mellownuance
@mellownuance 4 жыл бұрын
17:34, lets see if trump retains in the following term
@dengbona4406
@dengbona4406 3 жыл бұрын
Lol, he didn’t
@legaliseuprebuggiun
@legaliseuprebuggiun 2 жыл бұрын
A lightweight beginner by today standard
@spotify80
@spotify80 Жыл бұрын
The Art of Politics?
@diegoibanez2962
@diegoibanez2962 Жыл бұрын
After the watching the whole speech I liked the last part when talks about vices and virtue... i dont like their first part definition of virtue with their examples, also how described clemency, and justice
@villiestephanov984
@villiestephanov984 5 жыл бұрын
The word is strongly rooted in Amalekite' s " overture ". Its literal meaning : " Be Instructed, O Jerusalem !" ( Prof. Chomsky would have said it , probably 100 times an hour that, that is which makes "the Prince of the selfish gin ")
@IamVengeanceGaming94
@IamVengeanceGaming94 2 жыл бұрын
would he consider duterte a machiavellian?
@IamVengeanceGaming94
@IamVengeanceGaming94 2 жыл бұрын
by virtue, liberality and clemency.
@cliflottjr4435
@cliflottjr4435 7 жыл бұрын
I've only listened to 16 minutes of this lecture and have found much from this professor to disagree with. However, I'm all for Nicollo M. being a topic of discussion though...
@bangersinlondon2231
@bangersinlondon2231 6 жыл бұрын
You should go to a public lecture and ask a question...very easy to do. Bet you don't but...
@AngelMartinez-lu3ls
@AngelMartinez-lu3ls 2 жыл бұрын
@@bangersinlondon2231 In this day n age the tediousness of monotony of researching & referencing is no longer in the equation. Now you just ask Google n vola! You have the answer to your question(s)...
@bryanfurigay7044
@bryanfurigay7044 2 жыл бұрын
whos here because of BBM? lol
@Freezencrash
@Freezencrash 9 жыл бұрын
Luck?
@mewmannamwem6087
@mewmannamwem6087 4 жыл бұрын
Fertuna
@user-vs6eb2zw2s
@user-vs6eb2zw2s 3 жыл бұрын
Machiavelli cleared the bush, Thomas Hobbs built the building.
@papageno1849
@papageno1849 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, both "Romagna" and "Romania" are nice countries... but not they aren't the same thing 😏
@saurabhchauhan100
@saurabhchauhan100 Жыл бұрын
😏
@jeannenicolas1723
@jeannenicolas1723 6 жыл бұрын
He wrote The Prince in order to preserve his life. He could have been afraid of The Mdecis.
@joeturc1
@joeturc1 3 жыл бұрын
Fear is the most effective motivator 🤔puts his commentary in perspective
@dushyantshukla8754
@dushyantshukla8754 6 жыл бұрын
Seneca bad luck that was .... hahaha
@ergbudster3333
@ergbudster3333 10 жыл бұрын
He says if Smith hadn't had a heart attack we would never have heard of Tony Blair. This he says is an example of fortuna at work. Hmm. For a Machiavelli scholar he isn't very Machiavellian, is he.
@jensibowable
@jensibowable 7 жыл бұрын
Why does he have to say men are source material here, did feminists break in here as well?
@user-hu3iy9gz5j
@user-hu3iy9gz5j Жыл бұрын
He is just appeasing the zeitgeist
@pingukutepro
@pingukutepro 3 жыл бұрын
This awesome video makes me disgust the popular culture depiction of him.
@diegoibanez2962
@diegoibanez2962 Жыл бұрын
Talks too much about concepts and thoughts, its far away from reality and living politics you extract anything... its just like schollars speech and Machiavelli its a practical guidebook from that time on how princes and rulers should behave and act to adquire Power or Mantain their thrones.
@jarrodyuki7081
@jarrodyuki7081 2 жыл бұрын
machiavelli and ayn rand >>>kant nietzche >>than fyodor or schopenhaeur.
@bbok1616
@bbok1616 22 күн бұрын
Sleepy Joe is Scipio
@vinozarazzi5633
@vinozarazzi5633 Жыл бұрын
Nothing "successful" about Tony Blair - a hollow nothing in an empty suit.
@user-hu3iy9gz5j
@user-hu3iy9gz5j Жыл бұрын
If Blair wasn't successful, in one sense or the other, we wouldn't be aware of his existence
@vinozarazzi5633
@vinozarazzi5633 Жыл бұрын
@@user-hu3iy9gz5j Putin is equally "successful" - both are WEF/Bilderberg Puppets
@nanayponsing9390
@nanayponsing9390 2 жыл бұрын
PINKLAWANS ARE NOT ALLOWED ON THIS CHANNEL.
@josephsellers5978
@josephsellers5978 3 ай бұрын
Not near as Machiavellian as Christ and that bs kingdom
@matthewrobinson7427
@matthewrobinson7427 3 жыл бұрын
I think he's trying to fool the world my opinon I don't believe he can even see straight therefore it's not a proven fact
@AngelMartinez-lu3ls
@AngelMartinez-lu3ls 2 жыл бұрын
?????
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