When you're cheating but you hear 30 engineers yelling "WOO"

important to note the cheats used were server side and not as good as real cheats. the experiment cheaters could headshot around 50% of the time with aimbot but real cheaters get around 95% heatshots with cheats and can shoot people behind them while the experiment cheats only shoots people close to your crosshair. this means spies could backstab aimbotting snipers

So you're saying the ultimate anti cheat is having such chaotic lobbies that it doesn't even matter? Engie was the perfect life form all along.

Played during this experiment as a cheater, wanted to add my two cents. The aimbot was basically a double edged sword that made half of the team go sniper to take advantage of it, but snipers themselves are easily countered with sentries, endless explosive corner spam, and vaccinator medics. So the rest of us still had to use the other classes that didn't really benefit at all from the cheats to support them, which wasn't really nearly enough to get through the last point on 5cp, even while it was 50v50.

2:43 that feeling of "WHERE IS MY TEAM"

2:44 this looks like a scene from the walking dead

0:04 brass beast jumpscare

"The Kazotsky Kick for immense psychological torment" is probably my favourite line

I wonder if "the aimbot test" could be used to usefully litmus test maps for sniper sightlines. If you crank up Sniper's effectiveness by several times, any nasty positions are going to be found an exploited pretty quick, which would let you adjust them.

i cant stop giggling at the flood of scouts running to the points

If the non-cheaters were competitive in a 50v50 the experiment wasn't working.

2:25 it’s like hearing the calls of birds

Scout sweep Scout sweep

I love how the Alamo has been a consistent thorn in the cheater teams side.

3:05 medic with the ralsei objector is my hero

Honestly, I really like the 100 player Cheater Vs Players series just for some of the implied effects of the experiement on a real game by dividing the 100 man figures by 10 - an example, let's say there are 10 players per side, a 20 Player server: Harvest essentially gets shut down if 3.5 players are cheating. Basically, 3 outright cheaters and 1 Player deciding to assist by being medic (or a bot medic) shuts down the average Harvest game completely and basically denies the other 26 Players an actual game, or 1 player cheating joins and 5 other players on your team form a majority to not kick the cheater or support them/play around them, which essentially holds the server hostage and requires the other half of Blu to essentially throw/support Red by hindering the 1 cheater in other ways, with the best option being Truce Trolling - enabling Red to spawncamp the cheater into quitting the match while every Engineer on the server becomes friendly and karkotsky kicks loudly outside the window to induce mental trauma. I personally hope we get other maps and modes in the series, I'd LOVE to see the popular meme stalemate maps such as Hightower, 2Fort or Turbine be in Players vs Cheaters, those 2 maps are lousy with Cheaters on Casual and finding out how many it takes for the server to go south into Texas and have a Intel Room Alamo standoff might be fun

Don't forget, on one of the streams, shounic was paid 700 dollars to stream with a femboy avatar

Remember the alamo!

Even 50 hackers can't beat the wrangler

2:39 Miss oportunity to make a funny joke of the Demoman hitting the camera and exploding

Having attended this event and having experienced both sides, i can confidently say that this is an experience everyone should play atleast once.

2:21 Engineerd used *Vicious mockery NAT 20 LETS GOOO! "WOOOIIIE"

Something people didn't mention is... the scouts still weave back and forth despite fighting cheaters. That's interesting, like muscle memory.

Man the scout sweep was crazy, I was in it lol

Another shounic classic

Where's the socks shounic

I've been waiting for this vid, I love participating in these experiences

1:59 Engineer gaming moment

2:36 *The horde has been alerted*

0:23 pictured: german defence of berlin, 1945

4:00 Recently I was reminded of the Hitman Heatmaker for Sniper, and I had the subtle tought of "What if cheaters had Focus?" And this sniper on screen basically answered my question.

The almo is basically “If we have both aimbot then what’s the point of aimbot cheats?”

The shot at 2:42 is just hilarious to me for some reason.

Yeah, it's completely unsurprising that stacking engineer is about as busted in 100 player-servers as it is in any other kind of server.

babe wake up, shounic upload

A big battlefield style map for the 50 vs 50 mode needs to happen at some point

Funny that the ”legit” had a real hacker

2:42 fucking screenshot this. It's such a vibe. Like a funny zombie horror.

I'm convinced by this point that you'll never run out of things that Gaben can say.

Blu bots: Trying their best Red: YEEEEEEEE

It is this video I learnt that Kazotsky Kick has a hidden stat...To tear down enemie's morale. Such pay2win stuff

I'm genuinely curious about real bots - where any sight line for any amount of time is an instant head-shot.

2:15 Yeeeeeee!!!

amazing content shounic keep it up the source spaghetti going

It's fascinating how the "cheater" team focuses on attack bonuses like kritz while the other team focuses on defensive items like the vaxxinator and uber rushes.

now how many #SaveTF2 signs would it take for valve to actually solve the problem

Harvest having an extremely normal one I see

*the kazotsky kick for immense psychological damage*

Very nice. Love these experiments.

in a real scenario, I imagine that the number of cheaters/bots needed is 10 for Koth and still impossible to beat the alamo.

i gotta see how it goes in wutville where the sightlines are *extremely* egregious

Sourcepawn amateur developer here, there's a bunch of cheats that real software has that can be implemented in (a more or less scuffed form in) sourcemod that'd provide a bigger advantage to the cheating team. Some game changers I could think of that aren't hard to implement are Auto Airblast and Crit Hack (where random crits are stored for later, as implemented in the third part of your crit explanation video). (The auto airblast may be very resource consuming on a 100 player server, but maybe it's doable, it's still surprising to me how far you maanged to push the limits of TF2.)

So... It's possible to get a stalemate against 50 hypothetical cheaters with 50 legit players

Femshoe needs to address the femboy situation

These definitely need to add crit hacks and double tap to the mix. Would be interesting.

One thing I found funny during the experiment was I ended up having more kills playing as soldier than sniper. Really enjoyed the experiment and I hope the 64 bit update doesn’t break all of these plugin mods for future experiments. Also 2:29 hey there I am!

Considering the casual servers are currently experiencing the highest bot amount in months this is fitting

Seeing a tidal wave of players just flood out of every conceivable path on first spawn will never not be funny

Reminds me of that server that runs a Players vs. Engie Bots game. Surprisingly fun. I want to try that but with sniper bots now.

Much love femshoe ❤❤

why would you edit out the femboy stuff?

Id add a much much higher random crit rate for the cheaters btw, makes it more realistic for soldier demo and heavy especially

You should make a video where Spies are allowed to attack when disguised. That would be interesting to see!

On top of the cheats themselves not being as good as a true aimbot, the amount of powerful or outright required utility and classes in TF2 that don't benefit much at all from hacks is very high. So much so, the overall advantage is low enough that the results are usually surprisingly near a 50/50 game.

Sometime you should try CTF with this TFC unnoficial rule: one team tries to capture, while the other defends the inteligence.

With how the long-sightline maps went, I'd love to see this experiment run on Wutville (though I don't know if a 100 player server on Wutville is even possible)

Its because Harvest is a garbage map, especially with 100 players.

My ape brain activates when I hear "The Alamo" then see 30 fucking engineers dancing

This is how you should test maps in TF2

Insane

I was there for the femboy stream, never forget

In short, to fight cheats we have to out-number cheats

Yes round two baby!

Ironically, the Trenches server just got shut down (ie, overpowered) by 7 real high ping australian / Anti-MegaScatterBomb cheaters going sniper. Easily 50 killstreaks on some of the aimbot snipers on Dustbowl. It wasn't like the real players on the cheater-team did much after the cheaters got foot, and instakilled everyone, and then shut down 5CP maps with two uber cheater snipers allowing the 5-10 pushing teammates to finish the other team out

0:25 boston be like

0:23 Cascade looks familiar. Did I see that point before on two other maps?

shouninc is the best tf2 femboy of all

Reminder that while this is a cool experiment, it in no way reflects how a "real" cheater vs legit match at this scale would look like. Real cheats would give ESP, crit hacks, backtrack, doubletap and an improved (and more customizable) aimbot giving an even greater advantage. Some cheats even have projectile cameras and arc prediction meaning classes like demo can lob crit stickies across the map at strategic locations without ever risking dying. They could also use auto-vaccinator to make pushes even more powerful. It really can't be overstated how overwhelmingly OP real cheats are compared to server plugin aimbots.

the immortal science of tf2 marches on

So that locks it For server-sided cheaters it requires somewhere around 2 players For the client-sided ones however, it may require around 4-6 i guess For sniper bot all it takes is 2 players that know what they're doing

This is enlightening on the nature of war

Dr. Lalve had too much influence for people to handle engineers...

red team got a savage idea right there lol, they could've done the same at other times through

the alamo is just the ultimate defensive strat i swear lol

You should make a compilation of those gaben clips at the end of your videos

Tf2 but you swap places with who ever you kill.

I'd love to see a video covering how the custom cheat plugin works in the server

You should have used Gaben's "Ownage~"

was hoping this video explored some of the actual cheats/aimbots based off the title, not just the theoretical cheats designed in the previous video on this subject. would be cool to see that.

i hope you do this again with CTF, because i think 2fort and sawmill would be funny to watch

i have a idea, how many crit boosted team members does it take to beat out a team with no crits?

is only aimbot allowed or is double tap and other things like crit cheating included?

i have a question for another video, why doesn't tf2 completely switch the keyboard layout to english on foreign keyboards? mine is spanish latin american, and the [ key doesn't work (mine says ´)

I think if the cheaters had actual cheats half of that number would be needed

I lowkey want this as game mode

idea: how many pro tf2 players it takes to beat 100 real players

trying this experiment but with great blues headshot mod might be interesting

Killing spree!

Man I wanna play still 😂

Next time try Wutville! I want to see how few snipers it takes to defend the cart.