Lol! All valid points and unfortunately with generalities I couldn’t go into more “if’s” in this video or it’d be a 2 hr video😁 However, as for the #4...I am going to be doing another video here soon on shops using or misusing their technicians especially while in training. Dealerships and shops seem to need educated as much or more than the students!

@@RustbeltMechanic agreed👍

Tell that to the dealerships lmao

@@b0lbi exactly dealerships will lowball any chance they get. At the end of the day it’s not about your worth but rather what you negotiate.

How you doing in it is it really hard and alot of money?

what kinds of trades would u say are better then? i saw theres one nearby where the training is for 2 years or something like that in a trade school

Agreed. Went to tech school two years and been at it with dealership and recently went on my own 4 months ago . Making more money than before as hourly but it ain’t worth it anymore . All the warranty bull crap you have to deal with when you can easily go do something else and make more money with less stress . I’ll keep it as a hobby working on cars

Sorry but this is incorrect, especially in Chrysler dealerships. If they don’t have technicians who are master certified for completing some certain jobs under warranty specifications, they can’t do the job. If they also don’t have any master certified technicians that takes the dealership’s service score down and gives them less leeway on warranty coverage and less percentage discount on parts. And as of currently Chrysler requires ASE certs to get Master certification status.

Desperate slaves (people in debt) set the price. That goes for all industries.

Or, they have no information. Owners of these businesses have relied on the internet and someone else to staff. When you got a job, how did you find it? Friend of friend? Job fair? Or the owner just seeing character traits they liked, walking up, and giving them a job, and training them. Young people see a job like yours, and goes I don’t know how to build cabinets, they look at your prereqs and go shit I just got out of high school. So they slide right on past, maybe put on your offering, that you train on the job.

One of the greatest compliments was my collegiate friend telling her all of her Masters classmates that I dropped out of college and am smarter than a lot of them

It is definitely much more interesting to get techs the information they need to negotiate their pay based on what they are worth as well. I’m also hoping this video finds its way to service managers also who are thinking of letting experienced techs go for petty reasoning. Maybe they’ll see the dollars and cents to what we are actually worth👍🏻

This is good the only thing that this does not get into is tools costs. The dealership i was at had me do everything from oil and lube to . I had gone into the shop with well over 10 k. This all from side hustle jobs.

Are you union ???? And what state????

@@johnb1121 iam in Indiana yes we are union teamsters

@@mattyounis5636 nice

My father put many years into automotive when he was in high school, Got a job in a shop was doing great, But later changed his career for commercial Hvac. His office is wallpapered with certifications. I learned a lot from him, But I always leaned toward automotive. He always told me we have technical minds. My grandfather was a heavy equipment tech. I dedicated my younger years, Learning & working on Appliances, From refrigerators to vacuum cleaners, cars, trucks, Developed a fascination with hydraulics, air flow, Filtration water & air. Just about anything that was not a living organism. I studied constantly, Reading book after book, Watching videos, Instructionals. I was so busy applying my passion for the physics of all these thing's, That I didn't know my abilities (in a shop setting) Fast forward I got a job at a local dealership started at $14 per hour, 2 years later I got the shop foreman position, Making 90k a year. Blazed thru all my training. I had a Couple of my instructors so impressed they pulled me out of shop to give me an Engineer test. They asked me if the courses are "Too easy" 😆 Side note I failed the engineering screening. Haha. I have be told my methods are different, and sometimes hard to understand but the are very proficient & accurate. What I'm saying is I had an Obsession, That has turned into a career. I did not spend money for schooling. I dropped out of high school & got my ged many years later. I now have Epa certs, Ase certs, & more factory level certs. Now I Babysit, Loan tools & put out fires all day. I am bored again however. I want to change Manufacturers so I can expand my knowledge base, But the pay cut is too extreme to stomach. Any dealer I go to wants to offer flat rate at $25per hour. I fully understand why & I am not salty at the industry. It just seems I have hit a wall.. But I still want more. I have forced myself to stay in my current position because I'm comfortable. But each passing day is more unbearable. Teaching basics to new hires repeatedly has more than taking its toll.

@@vortextremesg3874 Start your own shop. Also, how do i become a mechanic. Do I just go to a shop and work my way up?

Those statistics take in to account all automotive technicians. I only took into account and interviewed dealership technicians.

The Bereau of Labor Statistics takes into account All TECHNICIANS. The vast majority of Automotive technicians aren't making the kind of money you are alleging. i.e. 99% (That means dealership or otherwise.) Businesses use these Statistics for deciding how much to pay their employees before hiring them. Even if you hit the upper 90th percentile as an automotive technician you are 29K below what a plumber makes in the same category. I Invite you to see for yourself. (And thats without the tools and school loans.) C'MON MAN.....

Been with a Kia dealer for a year had my online completely training cleared and days before leaving for some of my first classes covid shut it all down....

They do and a lot of the diesel guys just ignore it as its a massive waste. Hell the T-1 test is for gas engines. ASE for the heavy guys are like phd's for engineers, its a waste unless your looking to teach later on.

@@TinoR626 in my opinion it gives you leverage for a pay raise and honestly investing the time to study improves your knowledge

@@shelbyfz07vtec65 most diesel shops are hourly and do not care about ase's its about the brand. Now in saying that, I spent 5 years as a commercial diesel tech never got any certs but did do a lot of other classes. I left and went to an auto indy shop. When I came on i asked for a percentage of the shop rate, because of that my base rate is well over 35 my euro rate is low 40's, my diesel rate is over 50. This also has me with a built in pay raise as we have slowly been raising the shop rates over the last year.

Thanks🤘🏻

what area

@@mattm2411 mass

Yep that is very true but hard to quantify in a situation like this. That is definitely a manager discretionary decision

Fair enough, too many variables to quantify here but a manager should be able to. Example, I'm the only diesel tech, I did a job under warranty the parts alone where $10k. Even the best gravy tech is going to struggle to being that much in on ONE job.

Did you not get assigned a master technician to apprentice under in the ASEP program? Around here that’s pretty much normal practice to work under at least a highly trained tech for at least two years. Getting stuck on a lube bay while going through ASEP would be a waste of time and money for both the student and the dealership.

@@RustbeltMechanic we're supposed to on paper. I was the only one in the class who stayed in lube bay till the end (not counting dropouts) I talked to the trans guy who i made friends with and we both talked to management but they played games so i left when i finished ASEP.

I took the asep program here in Canada and we had 2 days a week in the shop and then when o had like 3 blocks left they just moved me over .

With all due respect you are an outlier though.

That’s what I’m taking about cars don’t pay shit I’ve been equipment my whole life .

Equipment is where the big company money is at right now for sure

@@acinstaller92 yes sir that and the oilfield is where ive made my best livings form

For an independent shop yeah but not dealers, as they expect you to make up the lower pay by flagging more hours. The honda dealer near me tops out at 25. but their masters flag right around 65-70 hours a week.

What's the difference between master mechanic and master technician

The guys who can’t make over 50k at least after that much time are either getting hosed or they gripe too much about never want to get training/certification and love sitting on their toolbox watching tic Tok all day.

Do you make videos too?

@@scientist100 negative

can you give a Agriculture Equipment Tech student here. please give me some input on if the industry is more lucrative in heavy equipment or semi trucks?

@@rafaguerrero2008 go for semi

Not sure where that is seen at but definitely not around here... Every dealer tech school program within 100 miles has every tech placed and under contract.... usually even before the student starts school or is out of high school. Businesses are taking the tech prep side of things seriously around here and snatching them up early.

Iowa/Nebraska area. I guess each area is different but almost all of my graduating class in '07 were all placed in independent shops. I personal had to do indi until graduation & then I moved over to a dealer I had been 'pre-hired' at.

Supply and demand man!

Not all of us do lol

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel lol. good to know.

@@unlisted8042 To keep it simple...I have a 72" Harbor Freight box with a 42" top box and side cabinet on it. Holds all the tools I need plus I have cabinets to hold more and things with cases etc. I spent more money on tools and investing in other areas. No judgement to those that spend their hard earned money on a nice box, but for about 3 years now these have served me well and I have been able to put that other money elsewhere like saving and starting my own shop. No customer is going to come through the door and walk into the shop area and say no I'm leaving because they see my US General box vs a Snap On. If they do actually react that way it probably is not a customer you want in the first place.

@@GearHeadsGarageChannel That’s my logic. Tools make you money, not boxes. I rarely buy snap on tools either. Almost all companies now have a great warranty. I’m in this to make money not blow it to look cool.

Definitely don’t blame you there. Gotta look out for yourself and family first.

Dealerships around here are begging for techs to get from apprenticeship programs

That's the dream! Maybe I should move to the US.

We too have a shortage of qualified tradespeople in all fields however it seems no one is willing to put on apprentices to train them even though most state governments almost make training completely free to the apprentice and the company employing them to complete there apprenticeship. Inclusive of the trade school training (Tafe) program to get their certification. Plus incentives to reduce wages.

The wait times right now on in person courses at least for the dealer level is painful. It’s sad seeing however many people wanting to better their careers and being told no you may have to wait a year or two🤷‍♂️

In my experience, manufacturer training is way more important than ASE certification. I was master certified in one brand with 8 years experience in that brand. I’m now at Ford which requires all their training and 5 years Ford experience to be senior master certification.

Some manufacturers do give better pay and certs to ASE certified guys. To be “master” certified in any area for Chrysler you have to have the ASE cert as well.

@@RustbeltMechanic crazy part is independent shops pay more then the dealers you were talking about. I get more money per hour then the big dog you spoke about. Idk if the dealer life is the best way.

@@jamespizzi6689 it also really depends on what area you are in also. Around this area you won’t make more than that in the independent side of things unless you are at a heavy duty diesel station and have some experience.

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Jajajajaj 8 years that's a joke

I'm from Quebec,Canada aswell, hour rate is much lower up here compared to US. Although, per experience you sir are getting abused by the John Deere dealership you're at. I work for Toyota Industrial, exclusively rebuilding engines and transmissions for their mining equipment division. Been there for 3 months now after 3 years working my own buisness and i'd say that i make 40% more that what you make at JD. You need to have a serious talk with them or move on.

im in almost mid 30$ at a dealership also in quebec you should consider moving to another shop or have a talk buddy

Yea it sucks.