How much is ICF? | Ep. 8

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Joshua Johnson

Joshua Johnson

7 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!
In today’s video I break down what our costs were associated to building this house. Wait till the end to see the breakdown I give, showing a cost per square foot to build ICF!
I love to talk about building and anything associated to it! If this video didn't quite answer your questions, I would love to chat more! feel free to leave a comment or email me at Joshua@wrenbuildingco.com

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@freeandeasy9795
@freeandeasy9795 4 ай бұрын
For the first time, someone just stated the cost breakdown of a project with ICF. Simple, yet so hard to find on the web. Thank You! This helps!
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@KevinMcClain13
@KevinMcClain13 2 ай бұрын
This is exactly what made me subscribe no bs love it
@PandorasFolly
@PandorasFolly 4 сағат бұрын
​@@WrenBuildingCo seriously. So hard to find a breakdown on the costs
@GregSacco
@GregSacco 28 күн бұрын
We did the complete home ourselves, tremendous cost savings to what you represented. 2200 Sq.Ft. Basement complete with 10'5" walls and 3100 upstairs with 9' living up to 17' vaulted. All plumbing, heating, electrical and finish is very easy. Our only problem is with the tightness you have to install a whole house air exchanger that if its not running the exterior doors have to be pulled shut because you pull a vacuum on the space. Also never use treated window bucks, they make ICF window bucks so you can completely eliminate any thermal tie from the interior to the exterior. Great video
@KennethFox
@KennethFox 24 күн бұрын
How much? You mention a savings, but don't say how much.
@devinfink8694
@devinfink8694 21 күн бұрын
Curious to know your costs as well
@martiruda
@martiruda 16 күн бұрын
Ventilation system is key. Not only for what it does airing the house getting any funny odour out. We literally dry our clothes, inside the house, with no heating turned on, overnight. exterior 4 deg C, still. no moisture in windows. We got a stiebel eltron. I would highly recommend buy either Stiebel or Zhender.
@Kokoa_Chanelle
@Kokoa_Chanelle Ай бұрын
Thanks for breaking down the costs because now I realize that this is doable for me.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo Ай бұрын
Happy to hear that!
@karllundin5608
@karllundin5608 27 күн бұрын
Just to add some additional pro-ICF info. I built a clients house in 2015 using Quad Lock ICF. It is up at over 5k' elevation in the mountains of Northern Utah. The climate pushes high 90s in the summer and a few below zeros in the winter on those special days. The system has 4" of exterior foam, 8" concrete core, and 2" of interior foam. The system was called the R38 thermal mass optimized. The design utilized principles of passive design. We installed hydronic heat into the slab on grade over 2" of rigid foam. There is an ARV to circulate fresh air a few times a day. This house has no cooling system. During the summer days the temp in the house maintains about 75 and holds steady. During the winter the sun heats the slab so effectively that the living room area of the house rarely if ever calls for heat and the owner typically cracks some windows to cool it down. During the summer all windows are shaded so no sunlight directly beams into the house. The house one of the quietest houses I have ever been in as a bonus. My experience was that compared to framing it did take longer to set the foam blocks compared to framing. But building a frame wall with the same insulation as this ICF to compare apples to apples would have cost much more in the end.
@johnbeyke8486
@johnbeyke8486 7 күн бұрын
Did you incorporate any of the QuadLock roof panels in that build?
@karllundin5608
@karllundin5608 6 күн бұрын
@@johnbeyke8486 No. Concrete was not a consideration for the roof as the design did not work with that system. Used traditional trusses with some field framed areas. It is a slab on grade as well so no floor system to deal with as well.
@fsl4346
@fsl4346 5 ай бұрын
You just don't know how valuable this video is to many of us. Great job. Thank you. I'm torn between going ICF and ICCF. But this was beyond helpful. Looking to do a large (and tall) garage too. Thanks again.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
That is very encouraging! Thank you for your kind words
@joshua_a_boehm
@joshua_a_boehm 5 ай бұрын
Keep in mind ICCF has a MUCH lower R-value than ICF. May still be a good choice for a basement, but if you live anywhere you need good R-value I wouldn't use it above-grade.
@fsl4346
@fsl4346 4 ай бұрын
@@joshua_a_boehm Thank you. I didn't know that. Is ICCF still better than wood and concrete blocks as materials?
@joshua_a_boehm
@joshua_a_boehm 4 ай бұрын
@@fsl4346 Depends on your market. To get a good R-value you have to build a wood wall inside and/or do exterior insulation on ICCF or CMU. Going to come down to cost and personal preference. We are potentially doing an ICCF basement with interior insulation on an upcoming project. It depends how expensive concrete is when we begin, as the significant reduction of concrete with ICCF can be a great cost saver, but will it offset building another interior wall and adding more insulation?
@mikegrok
@mikegrok 4 ай бұрын
Also call on the iccf. I called perfect block 5 years ago and their price per square foot was $9 per square foot. At the time fox blocks local distributor was $5 per square foot. We have termite swarms as an annual occurrence. Iccf is immune to termites. Icf walls need a 2 inch bare to the inner concrete inspection strip to pass a habitability home inspection. I think within 16 inches of the ground. I think you can stuff it with rockwool, then pull it 2 weeks before the inspection, but it is good to know about before you install your siding. You can cut the slot after you pour. You also may be able to cut a slim slot before you pour and install termamesh a stainless steel insect screen so that it is both embedded into your slab and extends several inches beyond the foam. So termites couldn’t enter the upper foam without climbing over the mesh which could be visually inspected. Iccf is also less desirable to rodents, though if they smelled something tasty they could still chew through it, unlike with an Icf wall which has a barrier plane.
@ColdOne234
@ColdOne234 4 ай бұрын
With the housing market where it is in my neck of the woods, houses with half the square footage are going for $350,000. Usually built in the 1970's. No doubt riddled with code issues. Vid like this really helps in bringing perspective on whether building a home from scratch is a better alternative if you have the land. Thank you.
@michaelattoe5710
@michaelattoe5710 4 ай бұрын
It always amazes me to see people not digging out a basement for a house, as for minimal extra cost you gain double the square footage of the size of the main floor of a house, plus the ability to locate the furnace, water heater, and utilities away from the main living area.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
You're not entirely wrong, however, If we would have done that, the ICF would have had to increase to a 14" ICF wall rather than a 12" ICF wall based on structural load. Along with that there would have been much more rebar needed in the ICF wall as well as framing the entire floor system for the primary level. The price significantly increases overall when you add a basement. All to say, yes, it's slightly cheaper square footage to add, but it significantly increases the overall build price.
@MarkFunderburk
@MarkFunderburk 4 ай бұрын
@@WrenBuildingCo Those thicknesses seem quite excessive, where are those numbers coming from?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
When you add a second level, you add a significant amount of weight and also load to the wall. In that case, you’ll have to size up your foundation wall to accommodate the load. The wall thickness would have to increase from a 6” internal concrete foundation wall to at least an 8” internal concrete foundation wall. The 12” and 14” widths come from the total wall thickness after you add the foam to the equation, taking up 6” in both applications.
@michaelattoe5710
@michaelattoe5710 4 ай бұрын
@@WrenBuildingCo of course, one could also simply go with a traditional foundation made with formwork. The point is that without a full basement one is losing the opportunity of basically doubling the size of usable space in the home and avoiding having a noisy furnace upstairs in the living space.
@veritas6335
@veritas6335 Ай бұрын
Certain climates, the water table and and environmental factors do not permit basements.
@jettob
@jettob 4 ай бұрын
Great overview! And very good explanation of costs, benefits, and considerations. Wish you luck bud.
@Oldguard_8
@Oldguard_8 2 ай бұрын
Josh thank you for the break down and detailed explanations - nicely done!
@TheJonasLinde
@TheJonasLinde 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. Greetings from Sweden! Keep it coming!
@tommycollier9172
@tommycollier9172 4 ай бұрын
Great reviews thanks for sharing
@arsalan101
@arsalan101 Ай бұрын
Thank you sooo much for pricing all of the items. Helps a lot for new and prospective builders.
@tomwinston6758
@tomwinston6758 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for the great video, helpful!
@bryanlloyd1099
@bryanlloyd1099 4 ай бұрын
Great video and information!
@robertginsburg8113
@robertginsburg8113 Ай бұрын
Thank you sooo much for the breakdown of costs. I'm sold on going with ICF
@ShawnStratte
@ShawnStratte 6 ай бұрын
Great work bro!
@wrfarms9741
@wrfarms9741 6 ай бұрын
VERY helpful and outstanding video Josh! We are about to do the same thing. We are planning on going with Fox Blocks. I will be subscribed and following from here on out. 👍
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 6 ай бұрын
So happy to hear this was helpful for you! I appreciate your kind words. Thank you :)
@jamesedwards2687
@jamesedwards2687 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for this presentation
@bonprez9981
@bonprez9981 2 ай бұрын
Earned a sub! You broke this down very well!
@lishmarlin7055
@lishmarlin7055 2 ай бұрын
EXTREMELY HELPFUL!!!!
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 2 ай бұрын
So glad!
@drew716
@drew716 5 ай бұрын
Awesome job, thanks! Nice touch not editing out your phone interruption 😂.
@sammyc1234
@sammyc1234 7 ай бұрын
great work bro!
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate it!
@ldtenenoff
@ldtenenoff 4 ай бұрын
Thanks man helpful fersure and conrates
@angeloc700
@angeloc700 4 ай бұрын
Edit: thanks for stating the sq footage at the end of the video. Original: Might have missed it, but the square footage would have been a hood to know. But I saw toward the end where you stated the grand total being roughly $42/ft. Thats a big house and cheap!!! Nice work!
@desilorajr2713
@desilorajr2713 Ай бұрын
For the shell only
@naya4607
@naya4607 2 ай бұрын
Soooo helpful oh my goodness.
@briant7067
@briant7067 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing!
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
Of course!
@wallywire
@wallywire 5 ай бұрын
How much faster is it to complete project build compared to stick built home? Like the RV garage Nice build.
@muffinsmuffins8074
@muffinsmuffins8074 4 ай бұрын
Thank you sir
@mjohnson7325
@mjohnson7325 4 ай бұрын
ICF walls is the best way to go… if I ever build a house, I would do Quadlock ICF, easier to transport the foams…. ICF; energy efficient and quality
@aheadatime
@aheadatime 6 ай бұрын
Looks like a beautiful new build. How do you run electric along the un-framed walls with ICF? Exposed conduit? I noticed the non-partioning walls weren't wood framed.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 6 ай бұрын
Correct, the exterior walls are all ICF and the way we run electrical and plumbing on those walls is by carving out the 2" of foam and running it in the foam. I have a description of how we accomplish that in an earlier video. I will be covering that however in my next video so look out for that here soon!
@discreetknight
@discreetknight 6 ай бұрын
Awesome break down. Thanks. Did you consider insuldeck, lite deck concrete roof etc. Think it would have been less than. All the woodwork.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 6 ай бұрын
It’s hard to know the costs exactly but ultimately we decided to go with light frame roof system due to ease of other trades installing etc. also, we will be able to stuff 18+ inches of insulation meeting or exceeding the code compliant R-49
@smayrue1368
@smayrue1368 2 ай бұрын
Five years I was looking for this video 😅 Thanks man
@BlackmerStudios
@BlackmerStudios 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing the break down costs. While every build is different, this gives me a better understanding. 👍
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 7 ай бұрын
Happy to help!
@gon2872859
@gon2872859 25 күн бұрын
Hi. Thanks for the information. Quick question. Maybe I’ve missed but Is there roof insulation and how much did that cost? Thanks
@sammyc1234
@sammyc1234 7 ай бұрын
this helps alot! Im looking to do the same. If the land we can find is a good price then this will work even better than i thought ( In florida)
@jbac5767
@jbac5767 6 ай бұрын
Bruh I've got my house designed and in Florida. This Is crazy yo
@sammyc1234
@sammyc1234 6 ай бұрын
nice!! how big and did you do it yourself?@@jbac5767
@eddiebrown8471
@eddiebrown8471 6 ай бұрын
Am also getting ready to build in Florida with icf
@Tregcon
@Tregcon 7 ай бұрын
Great info. Did you shop any other ICF manufacturers (Fox, Nudura, Amvic, etc)? Wondering how Stronghold compares price wise.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately I haven't been able to get personal experience working with any other manufacturer. If I ever get a chance to do so, I would be excited to compare costs! I am not affiliated with Stronghold so my opinion is based its quality and ease of install. I've noticed this brand has more to offer than its competitors.
@billmccance7762
@billmccance7762 4 ай бұрын
Amvic R-22 here in BC is about $5.60 per sq ft block cost from PACIFIC ICF. Amvic is 16" tall, full height webs at 6" apart so the block is very strong, the foam density is 1.5 and Amvic is a fully reversible block which means corners fit in every location ( just flip it over to instal)l, so fewer are required and there is less waste overall when blocks are reversible.@@WrenBuildingCo
@billmccance7762
@billmccance7762 6 ай бұрын
PACIFIC ICF supplies AMVIC R-30 and R-22 ICF in BC and western US and Ontario. Amvic is very strong with 6" spacing of webs on the R-22 ICF block
@artpoolmosaics2258
@artpoolmosaics2258 4 ай бұрын
Amvic has better density..Nudura XR 35 R VALVE 48
@philipdamask2279
@philipdamask2279 4 ай бұрын
A good presentation of what they spent. To compare that to wood frame construction you would have to know how wood framed houses costs are broken down to the equivalent build point of this video. That is not easy to do. Also there are other costs to carry the home to completion that need to be compared. Electrical and plumbing can cost more or require modifying the floor plan to accomodate ICFs. Window and door framing can be more expensive, but this video is at least giving you a place to start from, but without good construction knowledge and cost estimating capability the normal homeowner would be at a loss to estimate the completion cost for the home.
@willmiller7821
@willmiller7821 5 ай бұрын
Fantastic information! Did you consider an ICF roof vs wood? If so, why go with wood?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
We live in a state that experiences all four season. That being said we don’t have extreme weather, which makes an ICF roof extreme overkill. And for the price, it’s a tough sale. Installing a truss system similar to the one we installed will easily allow anybody to achieve R-49 insulation (code compliant) or better. If somebody wants a higher R-value in the roof, I would just blow in a few extra inches of insulation and get closer to an R-60. Cheaper route to maximum efficiency. Thank you for the question! Hope this helps
@mattgirgenti3595
@mattgirgenti3595 5 ай бұрын
I was about to ask the same question about Quad Deck or Lite Deck roofing. Seems to be about the same as OSB, trusses, etc. and is pre-insulated, stronger, less labor, and really a lifetime roof. How much of a price difference did you see between concrete and wood? I am in a hurricane and tornado area, so my decision is sort of pre-made by Mother Nature, but would love to know the delta for when my Chief Accountability Officer (wife) asks 😁 @@WrenBuildingCo
@markcluff7104
@markcluff7104 6 ай бұрын
Ty 👍
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 6 ай бұрын
Welcome
@lucaswilliams174
@lucaswilliams174 2 ай бұрын
Thank you so much. What is the resale value on these builds? Do they depreciate like manufacured homes?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 2 ай бұрын
Short answer, there is only value to someone who understands ICF. If you try selling the house to someone who doesn't know about ICF, they won't be able to justify spending more. ICF's value is hidden for sure which is a bit unfortunate. To appreciate ICF, you would have to experience the home's consistent environment. Outlining the homes savings throughout the year to a potential buyer would be key to selling at a premium. As this form of building becomes better known, I believe it'll be easier to sell these homes at a premium.
@bwillan
@bwillan Күн бұрын
Are you going to install a whole house dehumidifer on this build? Many of the costs are also going to be area specific along with date specific too. As we know the price of building materials can very wildly in price. What will this house being using for it's HVAC system?
@gobfranklin6759
@gobfranklin6759 12 күн бұрын
Great breakdown! Can this go to a second story?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 10 күн бұрын
Attic Truss's you could, but if you built another full story, you'd need thicker concrete walls. Probably 8"
@dragon0085
@dragon0085 Ай бұрын
Hey perfect timing finding your video, as I am considering doing this. I was in construction for a little, and helped with a single ICF foundation years ago which turned me onto it. Couple of questions: How much change would putting a basement or second floor be? Seems like a cost effective way for more sqft. Where does the plumbing go in, I am assuming in the floor, how much of a problem is it if you get leaks? As far as design of the house, would it be best to get a design from an ICF company, or get an archetit and just say icf? I just need very basic design, nothing crazy.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo Ай бұрын
If you were to add an ICF basement, you would have to get wider ICF blocks over all to support the load (8in+ concrete walls), increase the amount you need, add to excavation costs, labor, rebar, concrete, etc... cheaper option would be to add a second story, ICF or light wood frame you're saving money. Either way you're spending quite a bit more. the plumbing we put below grade gets pressure tested. Both in the drains and water lines. There are also no couplers or 90's in the Pex lines. this minimizes the possibility of a leaking connection. Technically you don't NEED an ICF architect. As long as you have a rebar schedule from the engineer calling out where you need to put rebar, you're good to go. However, having someone familiar with ICF makes the install easier because there are some small things that make install easier if your architect/enginner knows about ICF.
@shanemenken5729
@shanemenken5729 5 ай бұрын
Just curious. If you have a truss system for the ceiling do you need bearing walls on the interior? Could you have gone with steel stud interior walls? Much easier for the electrician. And lower labor, ends up cheaper. Thanks.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
The only bearing wall is the one that separates the living from the garage. And you’re correct, we don’t have any bearing walls in the living area. Steel studs are typically more expensive in a residential application. Also, my plumbers and electricians seem to prefer installing in wood studs.
@paulbrunner72GenX
@paulbrunner72GenX 2 ай бұрын
​@@WrenBuildingCo as a commercial plumber, if you go steel studs, I'm in! 😂 I hate drilling so much wood!
@getinthespace7715
@getinthespace7715 5 ай бұрын
Awesome. We are moving for my wife's work. Buying a house is out of the question. Prices are obscene. I'm planning to buy property and build a 2400-3000 Sq ft ICF ranch, full basement. In floor heat. Geothermal. I'll do it all myself. I figure I can be all in for less than $100 a square ft.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
Prices are for sure a difficult obstacle to navigate when building. But owner builder is one way to drastically reduce costs! $100/sqft can be done, all depends on the finish level of the home. If you have any questions, I’m always here to help :)
@ryanslemmer5905
@ryanslemmer5905 5 ай бұрын
Do you have an anticipated total finished build cost? I love the idea of doing a custom ICF build over mass produced stick frame garbage with poor tolerances where efficency is an afterthought. I also hate the thought of manufactured i joists and it seems like most builders use them today to try and pass them off as a positive for having open floor plans with fewer support structures, but ask firefighters what structures they'd prefer to go in.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
Likely close to $400-500k
@ferretface5149
@ferretface5149 5 ай бұрын
Crickets
@earthgraduate726
@earthgraduate726 2 ай бұрын
Is this type of foundation recommended for places with harsh winters ?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 2 ай бұрын
I would say they’re recommended in any climate. It’s a very efficient envelope.
@bobbray9666
@bobbray9666 4 ай бұрын
I went through this and a poured foundation with ZipR-12 sheathing (2-1/2" R-12.5 XPS below grade) and R-18 spray foam on the inside was less expensive in my area. Styrofoam is not nearly as good of an insulator as XPS or closed cell spray foam and your walls won't be as thick for equivalent R-values. You also don't need to add nailing strips for siding, which adds even more thickness using ICF, as ZipR is the nailing surface. ICF is rarely used in my area for a reason. If we lived in Tornado Alley parts of the country, ICF might be the way to go?
@gatesgoza9703
@gatesgoza9703 3 ай бұрын
65% of the lower 48 states are in tornado alley or hurricane zone.
@naya4607
@naya4607 2 ай бұрын
How much was plumbing and HVAC? Are you using an active ventilation system? I heard because ICF is so tightly sealed that you'll need strong ventilation for high humidity and mold prevention
@juggojim
@juggojim 5 ай бұрын
How familiar are you with SuperForm ICF? It seems to be much cheaper than Nundra and Fox Block. Based on some quick research it seems much stronger than and less likely to blowout.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
I’m not familiar with SuperForm. Once I found Stronghold and saw a comparison against its primary competitors I became a big fan. It checks all the boxes for my clients and myself. Pricing also tends to come in under its competitors as well.
@lydia535
@lydia535 4 ай бұрын
Where are you located? We live in Minnesota and this would be great but I’m not sure who to talk to about ICF in our area. Any suggestions?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
Spokane WA. You’re welcome to email me and I’ll do my best to answer your questions
@zeb5478
@zeb5478 2 ай бұрын
How long are those 2x6 joist spans? Wow, no chairs on the rebar?
@2mustange
@2mustange 4 ай бұрын
Only question I have is does the cost of structural/architectural engineering plans defer at all with an ICF build?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
That would all depend on who you use. If they know what they're doing I couldn't imagine the price being too different. I would yield to an architect to answer this question..
@johnbeyke8486
@johnbeyke8486 7 күн бұрын
It’s hard for me to see the cost and effort of ICF being used only for the wall structures when there are ICF roof systems as well. Of course, I am looking at the utility of ICF through a strength and safety lens, not just for the insulation and noise reduction benefits. The ICF system can be used to create tornado proof and hurricane proof homes when combined with a poured lid as a roof.
@John-te4nu
@John-te4nu 5 ай бұрын
Could see a safe room in One corner of the room in floor heat?
@byronholman9228
@byronholman9228 6 ай бұрын
Nice Work, I wish i could do some ICF projects but we just don't have any trades down here in Texas who do that as often. kinda scary to be the guinea pig.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 6 ай бұрын
You’d be surprised how simple ICF actually is. None of my trades had experience with ICF and they crushed it right out of the gate. Happy to guide you as much as I can if you ever decide to go down the ICF path!
@byronholman9228
@byronholman9228 6 ай бұрын
Thx, will definitely keep note of that. 🙏🏾@@WrenBuildingCo
@sammyc1234
@sammyc1234 6 ай бұрын
May take you up on that offer if its cool bro, Ill give all credit to your channel@@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 6 ай бұрын
If you need some guidance, I would be more than happy to help @sammyc1234
@billmccance7762
@billmccance7762 6 ай бұрын
ICF videos exist and train installers , a carpenter is able to do it. At Pacific ICF ( AMVIC) we do consultations for folks who are beginning
@RyanBanman
@RyanBanman 4 ай бұрын
It really sucks in north America that we typically have to build with wood. South America is almost all concrete structures, and Europe is a lot of brick. And yet either of those are prohibitive here. Why???
@chrismoore58
@chrismoore58 3 ай бұрын
Say, I had an ICF build house and wanted to make an ICF addition, how easy / difficult would it be to do so?
@naya4607
@naya4607 2 ай бұрын
wouldnt you do all the steps and cut out a pathway to get to the addition...
@CodyDavis91
@CodyDavis91 3 ай бұрын
$42.20/sqft
@CheapLazyOldGuyTips
@CheapLazyOldGuyTips 6 ай бұрын
Did labor cost include wall bracing? Did you rent or own?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 6 ай бұрын
Great question! We rented the bracing and plank supports. That cost was worked into the ICF block costs because we have a great sales rep who includes the bracing as part of the ICF costs. The planks we used to walk around on were apart of the overall lumber package cost.
@422systemarty
@422systemarty 6 ай бұрын
What state are you in? I know cost does vary depending on ones jurisdiction...
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 6 ай бұрын
Washington
@Luckingsworth
@Luckingsworth 4 ай бұрын
Im surprised Washington state only requires such low footers. Usually in 4 season norther states its 4 foot minimum.
@meowmeow1733
@meowmeow1733 8 күн бұрын
To many thinks to thank you about on this videos The only thing missing was the rough time it took for each install/stage.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 8 күн бұрын
Oof! Content moving forward, I’ll try to add those details!
@jldude84
@jldude84 2 ай бұрын
Damn, considering I have construction experience and I can save 10% at Lowe's/Home Depot with military discount, and considering my dream home is just over HALF this square footage, looks like I could probably build up to this same point of completion for $35/sqft.
@HaiLoc-zi3mq
@HaiLoc-zi3mq 2 ай бұрын
Sometimes it makes me wonder if it even makes sense to build an ICF basement if your building an ICF main level.. cost is pretty much the same as long as you have the land to build
@rmatakovich
@rmatakovich 3 ай бұрын
I want to build a 50,000 sq ft building. what price range do you think it might cost?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 3 ай бұрын
Wish I could give you a number, but there are far too many variables involved to give a number.
@rmatakovich
@rmatakovich 3 ай бұрын
@@WrenBuildingCo Thank you anyway. It’s so hard to get an CLOSE idea with ICF I don’t know why. It’s supposed to be a huge savings in addition to a solid sound build.
@perspectivefrommarz
@perspectivefrommarz 4 ай бұрын
What’s the r value with that? Did I miss it?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
R-23 roughly. Far more effective than traditional framing too since there is no thermal bridging.
@perspectivefrommarz
@perspectivefrommarz 4 ай бұрын
@@WrenBuildingCo when I building I’m not going to have thermal bridging cause I’m building for performance. Monopoly framing method with exterior insulation. I think I could get a better R value this way but nothing beats concrete as far as longevity
@shamrozkadiwal8080
@shamrozkadiwal8080 4 ай бұрын
Can we build 5000 sqft ICF home on the hill?
@buddyrevell511
@buddyrevell511 4 ай бұрын
I gave you a thumb up just because of that long roll of plastic you let fall and totally dead-panned it.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
😂
@powerforchange
@powerforchange 2 ай бұрын
What is the R rating of this ICF walls?
@LDHAl412
@LDHAl412 5 ай бұрын
Just wondering how many square foot of walls and Floor
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
3920 sqft footprint and about 3990 sqft of ICF walls
@jochimbenschneider1915
@jochimbenschneider1915 4 ай бұрын
That’s an awful lot for site work and just to do footings. How big is this home?
@delgonzales1715
@delgonzales1715 Ай бұрын
What state was this done at?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo Ай бұрын
Eastern Washington
@billbraxton4902
@billbraxton4902 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the breakdown. iphone sucks and constantly spies on you, LOL.
@robmac8590
@robmac8590 6 ай бұрын
Great video. Siri, shut up!!!
@OriginalJetForMe
@OriginalJetForMe 3 ай бұрын
Can you say where this is being built? That'll have an impact on the costs.
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 3 ай бұрын
Spokane WA
@HaiLoc-zi3mq
@HaiLoc-zi3mq 2 ай бұрын
$165,000 for 4000 sqft house is extremely affordable
@angetodac
@angetodac 5 ай бұрын
How much per sqfoot for icf blocks
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
Too many factors go into sqft to give accurate pricing. Height of wall, how many windows & doors, thickness of icf block etc..
@batliff
@batliff 4 ай бұрын
23k for foam and plastic?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
No, 23k for ICF 😉
@AH-xs3hg
@AH-xs3hg 4 ай бұрын
What sqft?
@jamesmann260
@jamesmann260 2 ай бұрын
ROOD DECK ROOD DECK ROOD RECK ROOD DECK ROOD DECK
@raystraining3206
@raystraining3206 4 ай бұрын
Wow our concrete is 200 a yd in fl panhandle
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
Sheesh! 😮‍💨
@johnnyweld9672
@johnnyweld9672 3 ай бұрын
no wood please termites inside walls icf too roof icf frame it concrete only and foam never pay for insurance again make it 5 to 6 feet higher too than usual the house itself Thank you
@JamesG1126
@JamesG1126 4 ай бұрын
These costs are low and assume skilled labor is readily available. Skilled labor is not readilly available in most parts of the country. If you want an ICF home, you'll be waiting 2 years to get started and much higher costs than shown in this video.
@norbibajgyik4460
@norbibajgyik4460 23 күн бұрын
I am building with icf as well but in europe, it is a far superior build and a much better product
@dus10dnd
@dus10dnd 4 ай бұрын
The cost of excavation has nothing to do with it being ICF... you need a foundation with any other house, too. Just stop trying to overanalyze. Take the total cost of this house and compare against the cost per square foot of a stick-built home. Easy. The slab also doesn't really matter with it being ICF. If you're doing slab... it is a slab. You don't have to do slab on grade with ICF, either. You could do a crawspace and frame up joists. You could also do a crawlspace and pour a floor with the structural foam forms. Really, the only thing is to compare building the entire structure one way or the other, with similar dimensions (including ceiling heights). Or, you could just look at the cost for the exteriors walls. The purpose of your video... you didn't really address them. You just talked specifically about the costs for this specific project and no comparison. ICF has less labor, so if you're doing DIY, you have less to save with ICF than stick-built... but ICF enables DIY more easily.
@HumanHiLiteReel
@HumanHiLiteReel 6 ай бұрын
Classic Siri...
@JJ-gr7th
@JJ-gr7th 4 ай бұрын
What’s icf?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
Insulated Concrete Form. It’s a foam form you assemble like legos. Once it’s assembled you fill it with concrete and it makes for a strong and durable home. Check out my first video. I explain it better there!
@jobisrael8313
@jobisrael8313 4 ай бұрын
8:08 why do you do not make the rooms also ICF that would cut off all the wood in the inside and then you will only needed the roof. When I get my money from the government that's how I will do my house everything will be ICF it would probably be zero wood in my house and I will make all my bedroom doors bigger then the average. 01-07-24
@brianowoseni5079
@brianowoseni5079 4 ай бұрын
Because you'd have to buy blocks and pour concrete for all those walls as well. Not saying it's not feasible, but might be more expensive than wood. It is nice to have the option though I think, if money is not a hindrance.
@martiruda
@martiruda 16 күн бұрын
unnecessary, you lose a good amount of space.
@thaiiexpat10
@thaiiexpat10 4 ай бұрын
6100 to excavate? God! 2 day job!
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
We carved away the top of the hill to flatten the area. It was a rather large job that took about 1-2 weeks.
@nacomdt
@nacomdt 4 ай бұрын
he kinda sounds like tai lopez
@Mike-vu9xf
@Mike-vu9xf 5 ай бұрын
Only going up 14 ft. Why do you need so much concrete in those walls? 3 in of concrete between the Styrofoam would be just fine?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 5 ай бұрын
3” of concrete doesn’t offer anything structurally. The minimum thickness you could get away with is 6” which is what those walls are. ICF typically ranges from 6” to 12” in thickness. All depends on what you’re loading on the wall. This upcoming build I have will be 8” thick. All depends on the load the wall is carrying.
@sreedharanaidu3175
@sreedharanaidu3175 6 ай бұрын
I'd have done ICF internal walls too.
@brianowoseni5079
@brianowoseni5079 4 ай бұрын
Unless you have a ton of money to blow, absolutely unnecessary.
@jimvautour595
@jimvautour595 27 күн бұрын
total WAKO !
@Jo-Jo8vs
@Jo-Jo8vs 2 ай бұрын
Knowing about the house building prices in Germany, your house is really cheap.
@phishbutter
@phishbutter 4 ай бұрын
ICF? What does ICF mean? You expect viewers to understand your content, when the average person has never heard of ICF? Why would people be interested in your trade if you don’t explain the most basic question?
@WrenBuildingCo
@WrenBuildingCo 4 ай бұрын
Insulated Concrete Forms
@DL401175
@DL401175 4 ай бұрын
I think that the creator of the video just wanted to answer the very specific question of how much it cost to build an ICF construction. I’m sure there’s a lot more about ICF that could be discussed, but this video was addressing a very specific issue. This is one of the few videos that directly answers the question of the cost related to ICF builds. Good video!
@phishbutter
@phishbutter 4 ай бұрын
@@DL401175 Impressive content for the knowledgeable viewer. I browse content in my KZfaq feed. To be familiar with acronyms in a vast array of subjects is unreasonable. It helps to clarify the over arching message of the content so average viewers can understand what is valuable and unique about the story.
@Hohmies86
@Hohmies86 2 ай бұрын
You mean to tell me you can’t rent an excavator and dig that simple crap yourself for WAY cheaper…. Buy a transit and stick, rent the tractor and bring your ole buddy out for a fun half day of work. $6100!?!? Ridiculous for some easily do it yourself digging
@Alextaylor777
@Alextaylor777 3 ай бұрын
You got ripped off
@susanlovesjava4961
@susanlovesjava4961 6 ай бұрын
So you blab on for 10 minutes without ever saying what ICF is.
@brianowoseni5079
@brianowoseni5079 6 ай бұрын
Maybe you can research it and then come back to the video, as this isn't a video about what ICF is. Plenty of vids out there about that subject...
@squeekhobby4571
@squeekhobby4571 6 ай бұрын
Excellent stuff. Very informative
@begenuine66
@begenuine66 5 ай бұрын
Are you paying for his time to film this? Or do you just feel entitled? Google is free btw
@MARINECORPS61992113
@MARINECORPS61992113 4 ай бұрын
Insulated concrete forms lol
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