Bro it isn’t paywalled

That's roughly the lower end of what creators on KZfaq make. Doesn't seem that bad to me. I really think people just have no idea how little money websites actually make.

​@thomasrdiehl right. Free websites work on ads and it doesn't pay much

they aren't the site has less ads then tiktok, let alone youtube, how are you going to get paid well unless the content is paywalled

@@oo--7714 if you get level of success the website should function to the point of rewarding that person meaningfully, it's webtoons fault that they don't have between chapter video ads, not hers, the site is bunk and not even trying to make money

@@Erribell“ if you get level of success the website should function to the point of rewarding“ So so tbh you aren’t owed anything if you post your works online. Websites aren’t really owed to reward user generated content on the site unless it is contractually obligated. Image hosting is crazy expensive. I don’t think massive adware is the way to go tbh, webtoons is largely free/freemium because the competition is literally piracy sites and going too far with ad monetisation will just turn off viewers. Not to mention most ads pay pennies, only KZfaq due to the google infrastructure pays well, TikTok pays like crap and other site will just pay a lot worse due to less infrastructure. The only way it could work where she gets paid properly is if the website was fully paywalled after a few chapters. She would have made money from people who care about her work rather than someone who clicks for a second them moves away. But most people do not care enough in the west to pay for such works unlike Japan and to an extent Korea. There is less love towards these sorts of creative works.

@@oo--7714 yeah, i checked the webtoon and it has almost no ads. like one little ad at the end of each chapter.no wonder creators don't get paid.

Yes they are​@@oo--7714

Yeah, I am a very positive person. But honestly, I think the reason is because I have separated myself emotionally from the platforms I post on. I have accepted the fact that the majority of companies are in it for profit first and foremost. I don’t like it, but when they do actually pay me I take it with a grain of salt.

Nah it makes sense, you have to understand it isn’t KZfaq, there is literally just 1 advert at the bottom. There is no way you are gonna make any decent money, KZfaq forces ads down people’s throats that is why they pay well in comparison, TikTok pays worse, but normal sites like webtoons even less, video ads are a lot more desirable than static ads. The only way she would have been able to make any decent money is through paywalled chapters. The rest though “legitimately monetized free labor”, this is because of the market doesn’t want to pay.

@@KatieCloverArt There must be a better answer to this. >:( I suspect there’s something to be said for the lack of any sort of curated experience - none of the major platforms have any kind of method for sorting submissions in a way that might help you find stuff you might be interested in and they certainly make no effort to review submitted content so they can actually recommend it to you. Starting a KZfaq channel and submitting your comics to websites directly searchable on google might be the best start… but on KZfaq you have the problem of translating views of your videos directly to views on your comic. Every comics related KZfaqr has said this is the hardest part. Probably because people who follow you on KZfaq are there for your KZfaq videos and not necessarily interested in the comics at all. :( I’m wondering if, since you’re doing something short and sweet, this might translate to KZfaq shorts? Not animated characters, but animating in the panels like a more sophisticated animatic? Hmm. At least that would focus on the content you’re making and make it easier for KZfaq to direct you to people. I’ll be rooting for you! >:(

@@oo--7714 I strongly disagree, but I can’t impress upon you my desire to buy content that is relevant to my interests and my inability to even FIND that content. Take Globalcomix for example - most of the independent entries are using every available filter tag. At the end of the day the only comics that remain at the top are the corpo publishers or established franchises. There’s no way to sort what’s available into relevant categories. Webtoons is just a sea of garbage. They make no effort to filter or market the comics on the website, and like the “big 4” save their marketing budget to buy whatever bs has already marketed itself to gain any sort of traction - RE: “The Trial,” which might give you some insight as to what is happening in publishing at a larger scale and why companies like Webtoons have become IP farms rather than looking to buy and promote good products. The problem is not sticker shock. People want good content and they’re willing to pay reasonable prices for it. The biggest issue is finding what you would be willing to pay for. What I unfortunately end up doing is getting recommended to comics that have been pirated from their original source and then buying them retroactively, but I don’t even have the space to do that with everything I find and a lot of the comics I am recommended are limited run (kickstarter/doujinshi published for specific events). I wish I could buy in to a small network of artists who publish similar content - like a bulk subscription. It would make it easier for me to find new stuff that I like, but it would also limit the amount of overwhelm I experience looking for new content. :/ like limited fare at a restaurant, rather than “well, you could have everything you could possibly imagine all of the time.” I don’t really want that. It’s too much work on my part just to find something I want to spend my own darn money on.

@@mu1642 ‘ People want good content and they’re willing to pay reasonable prices for it’ No not really, there is a reason why webtoon is the largest platform, it is the most free out of the bunch, the rest have paywalls with coins etc after the first 3 chapters or so. People do not like to pay for content, the majority doesn’t and will not. Partly why KZfaq is so successful, this just leads to the devaluation of work and need for multiple streams of income if you want to make money online. Either way the amount they are paying is to be expected when there are barely any ads on the platform and half the users use some sort of Adblock. Having a better algorithm to find content wouldn’t solve the core issue which is the bad monetisation strategy which basically means average creators do not make much money at all. Having a decent algorithm, she would still be making pennies due to the fact that her content is free, and not paywalled. Even if it was paywalled it has a good chance of just being pirated on manga aggregator sites and the like. Another issue is the fact that most comics aren’t of high quality and this is honestly to be expected compared to shonen jump which is very cutthroat and only greenlight a few comics webtoons is very lax in comparison, webtoons also primarily advertises towards women now compared to back in 2018/19 where it was just a place for Korean comics and a few original ones, I literally quit using the site cause it was just too much lol. As for advertising I think it is due to a lack of confidence in their western comic portfolio, it just isn’t that high and even the top webtoon artists have quite abysmal storytelling skills in comparison, even the Korean side which is a bit better still isn’t as good as shonen jump.

And mangakas still make way more than people who do their work on webtoon

Nah not really, the artist is putting it out there for free, the webtoons site barely has any ads, most people pirate content on mirror sites ( I stopped using webtoons ages ago). The only way she would be making money if webtoons had the ability to paywall canvas comics after the first few chapters But would anyone pay i dunno.

Didn't they have a feature that lets you have early access to episodes?

@@oo--7714​​⁠ your are not thinking outside of the web toon box. If she used web toons to help grow her own site and email list and used that fan base to push her site even if only 10% of her viewers went over she’d have a an opportunity to make easily 10 times that money on her own site running her own ads. She could be making $500-$2000 per month depending on her own traffic. The legitimate joke that webtoons paid her for her work would have covered the cost to operate a website and email list. Webtoons raking in probably 10-15k per month on her comic based on the industry standards for ad payouts.

@@7heAteles most people will not browse it though that is the issue, most sites aren’t getting that much traffic and usually it is hard to translate 10% of your viewers onto your site, more 1-5 percent. And webtoon users aren’t all that loyal nor do they convert that well into paid users, the fanbases for western webtoons with millions of views is small, and they don’t have much fan art or a really loyal fan base compared to manga. People gather around on centralised platforms nowadays compared to the past. So still I doubt it would be even a somewhat profitable endeavour, you must also understand webtoons has 1 ad , 1 legit alt 1 advert, you ain’t making much money at all over 1 advert (small and static) at the bottom of the page that barely anyone clicks. Webtoons is taking a chunk share but overall it is pennies bro. Legitimate pennies. And they are hosting a bunch of webtoons many of which haven’t been updated in years on canvas. The best thing to do is paywall it but that ain’t happening, no one wants to pay for indie comics really. And who uses email spamming, like what, seriously that isn’t good in the slightest.

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Just post it on originals and get a paetron

@@ikramtanyafi4601 you can’t choose

Happy to hear you liked it! I have more comic videos planned that I hope to make soon :D

haha XD They are pretty different. happy to hear you found my comics :D

You're welcome! I'm happy to help out. Webcomics are a lot of work but it's something I love to create. Best of luck to you!

@@KatieCloverArt Thanks😄

finished. Loved this comic

I just recently watched that movie and yeah I can see the similarities! XD

If your comic got accepted to be an original by weebton company they will pay you per episode for a specific number of chapters and the payout depends on the contract , for example if you signed a contract whit weebton that say "1000$ per episode for 50 chapters then they expect you to post 50 chapters on time in return for 50000$ so in general they will pay you 1000$ per episode you post" but this depends on the money you agreed on in the contract from what I heard the payout can varies from 500$ to 2000$ per episode , that's for originals but OFC canvas get paid very very very less , you should have a good art style and a decent story to be selected as an originals , I only see canvas creators complaining here on KZfaq about the payout

Thank you! It will take some time to get more data but I will say from what I have so far, Crystalized is growing slower than Sugar and Swords. But that is something I expected because Crystalized updates are less frequent.

are you?

Aww, thank you so much! I hope you have a great day!

Luckily there are many other ways to make money with comics, I have heard good things from using other places like patreon or kickstarter.

@@KatieCloverArt I see, thanks for the info. I also heard not to make any deals or sign with publishers, and publishing your own webcomic in your own website is much better. What do you think? I have 60 chapters worth of readable material now, I just need to scan it but I dunno how to do digital art or photoshop. 😢

Do you think they would be giving her 1 dollar a month, or even that 10% would pay. More like 1 percent and most would only pay once. Not all viewers will read the next chapter, nor will they care enough to buy the comic.

Patreon, though it has many flaws, is still one of the best ways for an artist to monetize their work. Kofi looks interesting as well. And neither of these prevent you from monetizing in other ways such as producing your own merch etc. Making a living as an artist is a full time job. ;)

I'm glad you liked it!

I don't think they will get angry at you for doing that. You can link your Patreon to webtoon so they already have a way for creators to promote themself. I advertise the book version of Sugar and Swords at the end of each episode and have not run into any problems with them.

If your comic got accepted to be an original by weebton company they will pay you per episode for a specific number of chapters and the payout depends on the contract , for example if you signed a contract whit weebton that say "1000$ per episode for 50 chapters then they expect you to post 50 chapters on time in return for 50000$ so in general they will pay you 1000$ per episode you post" but this depends on the money you agreed on in the contract from what I heard the payout can varies from 500$ to 2000$ per episode , that's for originals but OFC canvas get paid very very very less , you should have a good art style and a decent story to be selected as an originals , I only see canvas creators complaining here on KZfaq about the payout

How? Paper books? She isplanning to self publish those too. She has digital copies in her store.

If your comic got accepted to be an original by weebton company they will pay you per episode for a specific number of chapters and the payout depends on the contract , for example if you signed a contract whit weebton that say "1000$ per episode for 50 chapters then they expect you to post 50 chapters on time in return for 50000$ so in general they will pay you 1000$ per episode you post" but this depends on the money you agreed on in the contract from what I heard the payout can varies from 500$ to 2000$ per episode , that's for originals but OFC canvas get paid very very very less , you should have a good art style and a decent story to be selected as an originals , I only see canvas creators complaining here on KZfaq about the payout

They would be in the negative in terms of revenue, not to mention no one would visit your site

@@oo--7714 some of the most successful and well known webcomics are self hosted, and setting up ads and trackers is trivial pretty easy to market on greedy western social media sites but to link to open source self hosted website, retaining user base

@@RM-xr8lq like what, I doubt any of them had animation adaptations or the likes, looking into it, making comics is a fools errand in the west, you cannot make anything that is legitimately successful like jjk at all.

Like seriously if you wanna be creative just make a game, people will not bother with comics, or art (unless it's corn)

Yes I do! I plan on adding more to my online shop when I have time but here is a link: katiecloverart-shop.fourthwall.com/ I sell shirts, stickers, and more :D

@@KatieCloverArt they look cute! If you don’t mind me asking, do those make you enough money to cover how little you get from webtoons?

If your comic got accepted to be an original by weebton company they will pay you per episode for a specific number of chapters and the payout depends on the contract , for example if you signed a contract whit weebton that say "1000$ per episode for 50 chapters then they expect you to post 50 chapters on time in return for 50000$ so in general they will pay you 1000$ per episode you post" but this depends on the money you agreed on in the contract from what I heard the payout can varies from 500$ to 2000$ per episode , that's for originals but OFC canvas get paid very very very less , you should have a good art style and a decent story to be selected as an originals , I only see canvas creators complaining here on KZfaq about the payout

If your comic got accepted to be an original by weebton company they will pay you per episode for a specific number of chapters and the payout depends on the contract , for example if you signed a contract whit weebton that say "1000$ per episode for 50 chapters then they expect you to post 50 chapters on time in return for 50000$ so in general they will pay you 1000$ per episode you post" but this depends on the money you agreed on in the contract from what I heard the payout can varies from 500$ to 2000$ per episode , that's for originals but OFC canvas get paid very very very less , you should have a good art style and a decent story to be selected as an originals , I only see canvas creators complaining here on KZfaq about the payout

I swear. I can't tell if these comments are just from kids or very emotional adults who haven't experienced the real world.