Hey dude. Wow thank you!

I'm hoping this is a video that can be regularly used for reference when people ask about stock block limits

Thanks bro means a lot.

Thank you

Thanks bud. I feel I have to preach what I practice and vice versa. It boils down to the difference between a powerful car and a fast car... They are not always the same thing. Sounds like you have sussed it!

@@Gdl1992 Oh absolutely, I mean you've certainly got enough tuning experience having seen the good and unfortunately the bad side of engine tuning! I find myself coming more and more to the conclusion that these videos will be good reference when it comes to tuning my own car once it has arrived. Whilst it's not gonna be an Abarth so parts will be different in my eyes the principle is what matters no matter how different the tuning ends up being. Would very much rather have 300bhp for 5k rpms than have 600bhp for 500rpms that's for sure 👍. Looking forward to the next video already

If I can help a few people along the way that's all that matters. Thanks for the support

Would you say that 240hp and 240lbft would be a reasonable goal for a street car. As its my only car I'm not wanting to over stress it and potentially kill the motor

I covered stock block limits in the video. That will be absolutely fine. But you will most probably want more torque

Thanks for the insight. Currently on an ihi turbo, with intake, back box delete, forge actuator and a map. Was dyno'd @ 180bhp and 332nm before I fitted intake and actuator so need to go back and see how it's doing

@@bomfunk77 yea having new actuator will allow. You hold boost a bit better and squeeze a little extra possibly

Thank you much appreciated

Thank you

Hi, thank you. At 250 bhp the engine is safe to run unforged. However if you felt you were going to subject it to an acceptional amount of abuse then bring the torque down slightly. A friend of mine has just recently don't the tts260 turbo on his Abarth and made 255 bhp and 260 ft lbs. It drives like a dream and is so linear and very fast without any fuss. It is also super safe on the stock engine. Forging an engine properly including labour is going to be around 5k to be honest as there is so many little things that need addressing. And on the clutch front for 250 bhp I would highly recommend a cg motorsports dual friction clutch. It's capable of holding the power/torque and a lot more should you want to go a bit crazy. But gives you a fairly good pedal feel and could be used every day. It's not expensive either and can be used with a stock flywheel.

Thanks bro. Yea I presume the 500t is multiair engine same. As the US as the t unfortunately isn't sold in the UK. Sounds like the right sort of figures. Allowing a better flow of air in and out of the engine is certainly the way to go. To maximise gains but also to prevent as much drop off as engine gets hotter

Yes. ALL 1.4 litre engines in the US are multi air. I also recommend the spring upgrade. Its added a very noticeable gain to mid and top end pull. Hell they're only 90bux! I know for 2019 and up Fiat released a 1.3 multiair II that comes with 170bhp stock. It's for now only available in the 500x. Which is a 4door crossovers type car.

@@nabismith8023what spring upgrade specifically?

@@NostalgiaHDOS Multi air springs.

@@nabismith8023 thank you

Thank you. That dial is my oil temperature gauge. Its a recent addition.

Hi, thanks. Despite the very different head setups the t jet and the multiair have the same bottom end. So the limits fortunately apply just the same.

Thank you. Fortunately multiair and t jet bottom ends are the same so the same limits apply

Same here, low down intake, Garett 1446, oem Exhaust and catback emptys. Pretty sure I need a better coolant system.

Same limits apply. To both the t jet and multiair! Happy modding

I will happily do a video on my. Current setup and previous setups.

The stock multiair with use a gt1446 and the one shown on the video is a hybrid 1446

@@Gdl1992 ah, I see. thank you. custom built?

It was from a company in Italy called evolution turbo

@@Gdl1992 hmmm, seems like Italy is one of the main country's to get the parts for the multiair. do you by any chance know the peak nm of torque of the gt1146 with tuning? going to remap the fiat and we're thinking of going towards torque instead of hp. a friend of mine got 250 max but that's weird since mine from stock has 230

Well they are an Italian car. Multiair tuning in Greece are far above anyone else for tuning the multiair at the moment. We work in lbs ft in the UK. A stock garret and a hybrid garret with not differ too much with torque so expect to see between 275 and 295 ft lbs depending on Individual turbo specification, setup and amount of boost used.

To be honest. This whole process has showed me what is capable when the correct hardware, installed by a professional meets a good tune. The capability of the engine is amazing unforged. The aren't the best handling cars or the best straight liners. What they are is great all rounders that put a smile on your face and taking it too far makes the car a bit too serious and eats Into that a little. And yes you are right, the Abarth being as light as it is means any power you do put into it gives you an advantage.

@@Gdl1992Yes these cars do have a good balance between straight line and cornering. If you know how to put everything on and are experienced, I would say go for it. If not then yes having a professional put things on for you is best. Tuning can determine your detonation as well. So you better know someone who knows what they're doing. 300 can be achieved but again.. Will it be safe to run and for how long. Will your tune be on point or will you end up with splitting your block, running into shattered pistons and bent rods. Its why Im only going up to 225 to 250 with my Abarth and sadly we only have the 500 Abarth or 124 Abarth in the USA. Not to mention this is my first 500 Abarth and after test driving one only once, Ive always wanted one to daily and road course

@@Numbah893 fortunately the blocks are strong unless you go for massively oversized pistons. So block cracking is highly unlikely. 225 to 250 is the cars sweet spot imo. It can handle it and still be used every day.

For which engine and setup?

Grant in the Garage for the multiair with a upgraded turbo on the 124

@@kaiwenli3432 here in Italy we are starting to swap the tjet head on a multiair block. The only problem is the electronics but the gains are just bonkers on a 124

Yea currently

Yeah I saw it in there yesterday, they just mapped my car to 210, much fun to be had

Did they take it to tune 4 performance?

Of course hit me up on Facebook or soemthing happy to chat!

Those figures are spot on the safe limits. I presume that your 1446 is a hybrid to achieve that power figure?

1320 Technologies what turbo did you guys use?

Grant in the Garage I track the car very often, I am running on stock turbo 1446, should I upgrade to 1752 without a forged engine?

K Li GT1446 Factory Turbo with 80K miles on it.

That comes down to what your preference is. It is of course possible to run any turbo on an unforged engine it's a matter of tuning it to give it usable performance that can sometimes cause the issues.

Fiat and Abarth are separate divisions. Having choice is what sells cars