How much power does your stepper motor need?

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@eddietheengineer 2 жыл бұрын

Found out that I was adjusting the wrong stepper current during the sweep--that power plot looked too clean! I've updated the charts in the tweet below, and will update the data on github when I have it completed. twitter.com/eddietheengr/status/1533525640175095809?s=20&t=xbhAz1xDDWHQeCrJK8GB6A

@ZURAD Жыл бұрын

This is exactly the kind of work that needs to get done in the 3D printing world. People have not been asking the basic questions like you are. Keep it up!

@eddietheengineer Жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words!

@SergeiLepiavka Жыл бұрын

Amazing content! I've been binge watching your channel all week.

@RazorSkinned86 2 жыл бұрын

personally i've found that on TMC stepper drivers changing the driver_PWM_GRAD from the default of 4 to instead something like 10 has the biggest improvement on performance. the factory default from TMC is set really low because they don't know what kind of capacitance will be available but if you mainboard has decent sized caps used then you can set it to 10 with no issues. maxing the PWM_GRAD had a bigger improvement on performance than 48V or using bigger stepper motors because with something like a core-xy printer the real bottleneck is how aggressively the stepper driver ramps up the current while accelerating. at the default setting corexy printers start skipping steps when you set the acceleration for moves to something like 20000.

@eddietheengineer 2 жыл бұрын

That’s a great point and I’ll have to try that out! I want to see how settings like that affect performance

@95LegendGS 2 жыл бұрын

In the klipper docs it seems to indicate the default value for PWM_GRAD is 14 for tmc2209 and 2208 drivers but it commented out. Only on the tmc2130 does it show 4 as the value.

@rmatveev Жыл бұрын

What a wonderful review! Thank you for sharing this with the community!

@harjoat 2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely love your content, thank you so much for making it all!

@timha4102 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I was not able to find out which power supply to get for my two 48V steppers. Your video was the only source to show me that my planned 60W one would not have been enough.

@eddietheengineer Жыл бұрын

Glad that you found it helpful!

@lortunder 2 жыл бұрын

Eddie! this is awesome! great job and great work !

@stefanguiton 2 жыл бұрын

Great videos as always! I was wondering if you considered using BLDC motors and Odrive on your Idex? In theory there wouldn't be any torque drop-off at higher RPMs

@educationalpurposesmostly Жыл бұрын

I can't thank you enough had a buncha people telling me I needed a 250w power supply because they believed my motors took 2.5a each at 48v.

@eddietheengineer Жыл бұрын

That’s a common misconception! Glad it was useful 😄

@bloogaming8827 Жыл бұрын

This video is exactly what I was looking for! Like really spot on! I was just wondering what motors you’re using here?

@eddietheengineer Жыл бұрын

These were LDO 42STH48-2504AC!

@ucronotopia1988 Жыл бұрын

Good content! I always had a question: when using standard stepper motor driver (the ones that come with current configuration via dip switches) which current shall I use if i want to drive the motor to its maximum speed? Shall I use the nominal current show in the motor datasheet? Or use an average value between the nominal and the minimum the driver can support? Thanks i'm advance

@tanaes 2 жыл бұрын

Super awesome!

@ldomotorsjason3488 2 жыл бұрын

Great knowledge.

@ChuckB86 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@Thomas0 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks

@cardosodouglas Жыл бұрын

Since I'll be running a Fysetc Spider with TMC2226 would I have any kind of real power gain running my board at @28V? I'm assuming that the +/- 16% of overvoltage could result in some kind of gain but I'm not sure if it translate to a real use improvement.

@eddietheengineer Жыл бұрын

You could hit slightly higher speeds with a bit higher voltage! But the downside is that you'll be at the edge of what your control board/drivers are rated at. In general, I wouldn't recommend updating unless you can go all the way to 48V.

@randysonnicksen9475 Жыл бұрын

Hello Eddie. I was excited to hear you're obsessed with steppers, because I have a question you might be able to answer. I am using NEMA34 steppers in a project I'm working on, and I bought a knock-off (not Leadshine) DM556 stepper driver which has selectable stepper current via DIP switch settings ranging from 1.4A to 5.6A. My bi-polar motors are rated at 5.5 amps and have a coil winding resistance of 0.5 ohms. I have a lab power supply which can deliver up to 10 amps at 30 VDC. It does have a current limiting feature, but I have it turned all the way up, so current limiting will not engage. Here's my issue: No matter where I set the amperage DIP switches on the DM556 stepper driver, I don't get any change in the current from my power supply (it has a digital display for current), and I don't seem to get any changes in the motor torque. My thinking is that the stepper driver is junk. I have two brand new drivers, and both behave the same way. What do you think? (FYI, I've ordered a different brand driver to see if it does the same thing, but haven't received it yet.)

@eddietheengineer Жыл бұрын

This is an interesting problem! I assume the stepper driver is activated-what speed are you testing at? If it’s at a very high speed, it’s possible the backemf is so high that the actual current though the stepper windings doesn’t change since it’s limited by backemf instead of the current selection

@randysonnicksen9475 Жыл бұрын

@@eddietheengineer I plan to borrow an oscilloscope and put a small resistance in series with the coils and measure the voltage across this resistance while the motor is running so that I can get a true picture of the current through the coil. This might also shed some light on how torque varies with speed. To answer your question (speed) I've tested at many different speeds. Slow, fast, stationary (but on). It doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

@F1v30h1 6 ай бұрын

Can you put 48v to any stepper motor? I can not find any info on this…

7 ай бұрын

excellent video... one note, with Patreon, if you like to do so, you can collect money per project basis, which, as I understand suits you better...

@solasauto 7 ай бұрын

How does autosensing work?

@adeo 11 ай бұрын

How would the results change with 24V instead of 48V? Would the power consumption be the same or lower? If lower, by how much?

@eddietheengineer 10 ай бұрын

Yes! The power consumption drops a good deal, even at the same speeds. I have a few nice graphs where I’ve done a sweep of voltages and currents on the same motor to show the delta!

@adeo 10 ай бұрын

@@eddietheengineer I've now seen them, thanks a lot for your research!

@bradleydaniels9093 Ай бұрын

What stepper motor was used?

@williamprimeee 9 ай бұрын

I would be insterested to see the results at 24v

@nirecue 2 жыл бұрын

Let's GOOOOOOOO

@JamieHarveyJr Жыл бұрын

How’s the stepper dyno coming? I’ve debated making one myself but I’d rather you spent your time and money and I’ll just give you the views 😂

@eddietheengineer Жыл бұрын

It’s coming along really well! I’ve been working on it the last 2 weeks and almost have the automated data collection/sequencing complete. Really excited to get lots of data soon!

@JamieHarveyJr Жыл бұрын

@@eddietheengineer happy to hear it! I’m excited to see you compare your calculator data to real world measurements. Also would love to see you cover stepper motor resonance! It unreal how many awesome motors have unreal resonances between 200-400 mm/s windows.

@eddietheengineer Жыл бұрын

@@JamieHarveyJr resonance/noise is definitely on my radar!