How NOT to Make a Sequel | Deus Ex: Invisible War Retrospective

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Chris Davis

Chris Davis

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ION Storm followed up the incredible Deus Ex with...this.
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Intro - 0:00
Making of - 4:00
Gameplay - 6:05
Level design - 22:30
Story - 28:35
Side content - 42:09
Bugs - 44:55
Conclusion - 46:38
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@ChrisDavis_Games
@ChrisDavis_Games 3 жыл бұрын
Timestamps for you: Intro - 0:00 Making of - 4:00 Gameplay - 6:05 Level design - 22:30 Story - 28:35 Side content - 42:09 Bugs - 44:55 Conclusion - 46:38
@Cainite
@Cainite 3 жыл бұрын
You know, up to this point I tryed to ignore the insertion of your own political agenda into your videos but this time you really took the cookie... You do know that the _"people"_ responsible for those _"few broken windows"_ are also responsible for up to 36 dead since the riots startet, including David Dorn and Jessica Doty-Whitaker? Not to mention that these _"few broken windows"_ in Minneapolis alone accumulated *500 million dollar* in property damage and I don't even want to know the numbers from NY, Seattle, Portland ect.
@darknessviking
@darknessviking 3 жыл бұрын
hey its the guy who complained about witcher wasnt diverse enough xD
@BigC60
@BigC60 3 жыл бұрын
@@darknessviking haha. I too noticed he was a sjw, and I'm not even american or english.
@blondemaverick
@blondemaverick 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Chris D. Great video as always!
@alexscriabin
@alexscriabin 2 жыл бұрын
@@aweigh1010 even with all the "white Latinos for Trump", Trump still lost in 2020.
@BigPuddin
@BigPuddin 3 жыл бұрын
The reason the game sold better than the predecessor was due to the increased size of the gaming market having more potential consumers, and fans of the original bought a Deus Ex game hoping for a sequel to the game they liked. It wasn't due to a casual game succeeding due to broader appeal. People bought the game for brand recognition, and it sold better than the original on PC, too.
@user-or1xu7fy1s
@user-or1xu7fy1s 3 жыл бұрын
I like how the difference in style of covers tells all you need to know about the difference between these 2 games.
@mmdrezakh
@mmdrezakh 3 жыл бұрын
Sad
@joeytunney5476
@joeytunney5476 3 жыл бұрын
One correction to make that I noticed, in the first Deus Ex, it actually is possible to have both Cloak types since there were two slots for Subdermal augs, not just one. It was much harder to do though because you had to locate two aug canisters that had the cloaks in them, as opposed to this game where you can get them whenever you find a canister.
@shadowslayer205
@shadowslayer205 Жыл бұрын
Funny thing about you poking holes in the Helios ending: Ion Storm knew it wasn't the perfect plan either. One of their scrapped game ideas was a sequel to invisible war taking place after the Helios merger, which would've shown that JC's posthuman civilization didn't go as perfectly as he'd advertised, and there were multiple factions resisting his leadership. [One of which was led by Paul Denton himself, who believed JC and Helios were becoming corrupt.]
@leinadreign3510
@leinadreign3510 3 жыл бұрын
The coffe shop quests are the only thing I can remember of this game ^^
@geegee1014
@geegee1014 3 жыл бұрын
I never noticed the Moby Dick reference in the coffee shop names before! Clearly a nod to another famous coffee chain that goes by the name of the first mate.
@Unatcowomensbathroom
@Unatcowomensbathroom 3 жыл бұрын
Love that coffee shop music too
@peppermillers8361
@peppermillers8361 3 жыл бұрын
The one in Seattle where the VOX club owner asks you to kill an arms dealer is fun too, mostly because you can fuck over everyone involved.
@MrFreshBanana
@MrFreshBanana 3 жыл бұрын
a little trivia for 15:53 : in Mass Effect, the weapons are ballistic based (except for those that aren't). The projectile comes from a block of solid metal inside your weapon. The exact mass is calculated and taken from the block trough computer processing and miniature mass effect generators and shot at the target. Which is why you had infinite ammo in the first game and only cooling clips in the second (and third, I think). The more you know
@saintallison
@saintallison 3 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite lore tidbits from the series! :D
@MrFreshBanana
@MrFreshBanana 3 жыл бұрын
@@saintallison have you read the books? If you like the world building the codex and planet descriptions provide, then you'll love the books. The original three, by Drew Karpyshyn, of course. Not the Andromeda disasters...
@saintallison
@saintallison 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrFreshBanana I read Revelation before playing the first game in 2012, and I absolutely loved it! To be completely honest I've never played 2, but if Karpyshyn wrote tie-in novels I'll definitely check them out! I was cautious about continuing the series after hearing so many complaints about 3 since I didn't want be disappointed, but being much older now I think I could appreciate the good in the series even if it doesn't end as well as it should have.
@MrFreshBanana
@MrFreshBanana 3 жыл бұрын
@@saintallison To be honest, I don't remember the state 2 and 3 were in on release, but with all the DLCs and updates they are absolutely worth your time. I vaguely remember being disappointed by 3s ending. But on my recent play through I wasn't. Don't know if I've grown up a bit or they really fixed the ending. Best, if you start with 1 again, to refresh yourself, and also to import the same character into all three games
@jamesserrano5619
@jamesserrano5619 3 жыл бұрын
With that Bioware clearly didn't care all that much about the combat to add a reload button, and just made a semi-scientific lore reason to justify it. Not that I'm complaining, but it is a pretty clear case of the lore justifying the gameplay as opposed to vice versa.
@zer00rdie
@zer00rdie 3 жыл бұрын
I had completly suppresed the memory of this game.
@LetsPlayPC
@LetsPlayPC 2 жыл бұрын
I remember this fiasco unfolding in real time, as the developers announced one Godawful design decision after another and the fans got on their knees and begged them not to do it. They didn't listen to the fans. At all.
@huismands
@huismands 3 жыл бұрын
It did have ragdoll physics though. So there's that...
@pud354
@pud354 3 жыл бұрын
Ragdoll physics are awesome! I'm following the Deus Ex: Reborn+ project with hopes of replaying Deus Ex 1 with body ragdoll physics one day
@ethan8804
@ethan8804 2 жыл бұрын
Lol I remember sending people flying with the smg & sniper as a kid
@thecoolestfool7688
@thecoolestfool7688 3 жыл бұрын
as an aspiring game dev who's one of his favorite games were deux ex, this video was really helpful, thank you.
@Sean_Callahan
@Sean_Callahan 8 ай бұрын
9:36 I look at this a bit differently. The swimming skill and aqualung aug synergize to make you a SUPER SWIMMER. (One wiki claims that maxing out both gives you *ten minutes* of breath meter) The mistake was making swimming matter so rarely in play that most players hesitate to put skill points into it, let alone skill points *and* upgrade canisters.
@dbstop9194
@dbstop9194 3 жыл бұрын
44:55 the reason for the Order to kill you in the tarsus assault is because they were actually under Saman´s orders. Lin-May Chen was completely unaware of it.
@SaturnineXTS
@SaturnineXTS 2 жыл бұрын
Actually in Deus Ex 1 you very well could have both cloaking augmentations if you wanted to. You had three torso slots, and that was the only thing that limited you. That and the contents of augmentation canisters. But if you found two cloak/radar transparency canisters and had two free subdermal aug slots, you could install them both with no problems. You'd of course miss out on a slot to use for a defensive aug like ballistic protection that way, but otherwise it's open season bro
@kaptenteo
@kaptenteo 3 жыл бұрын
Suffered from the same consolitis as the third Thief game. That game still had an interesting story, though.
@joeytunney5476
@joeytunney5476 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, Thief Deadly Shadows still turned out very good, it was the limitations that kept it from reaching its full potential. Whereas this game was deliberately overly simplified in addition to the hardware limitations.
@michimatsch5862
@michimatsch5862 3 жыл бұрын
When he said „Invisible war“ at 45:28 I legit understood „Miserable war“ and I thought he sung a pun in there. I watched too much Joseph Anderson man.
@zakarymoninger7845
@zakarymoninger7845 3 жыл бұрын
I have a few memories of the things I did playing this game between 6-12 y/o. 1. Playing basketball in the first area. 2. Getting lost/running out of ammo in the Germany level because kids are dumb. 3. Attempting to kill a penguin with a guided missile (in my dad's save file, because like I said, I got lost and never made it that far). 4. Throwing a gas grenade into a room full of children because they actually let you attack kids in this game.
@admiraltonydawning3847
@admiraltonydawning3847 3 жыл бұрын
I hope that EYE: Divine Cybermancy will get a retrospective.
@Ashkimbo
@Ashkimbo 3 жыл бұрын
Mandalore gaming already did a great video about it: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7mTdrmrqrTHmqc.html
@HappyZavulon
@HappyZavulon 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing I actually appreciated is being proficient with all weapons without having to use skill points. The original Deus Ex was just not fun at the start when your gun was as accurate as a musket prototype.
@BigPuddin
@BigPuddin 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. You have to close enough to see someone's pores to guarantee a hit with a firearm even with decent points in that weapon's proficiency. I just sneak around cattle prodding people instead.
@Wintd1
@Wintd1 3 жыл бұрын
Weapon mods did speed this process up though, so if there was a particular weapon you really liked using, you could just invest most of your mods into that weapon and pretty quickly turn it into a laser. I was already able to play it like a shooter before leaving New York.
@SmallLegacy
@SmallLegacy 3 жыл бұрын
Well if you like run and gun games then yea, though I liked the way Deus Ex forced you to think of other ways to deal with enemies, you could go non lethal or avoid conflict entirely, and over time when you accumulate weapon mods and skill points you can run and gun as much as you wanted.
@HappyZavulon
@HappyZavulon 3 жыл бұрын
@@SmallLegacy Honestly I justify didn't like how a a cyber cop has worse aim than my grandma. It's good to have options and I've played HR mostly in stealth and using non lethals, but it was fun to have an option to just blast someone.
@peppermillers8361
@peppermillers8361 3 жыл бұрын
@@HappyZavulon I Personally disagree, I think the system works quite well. The problem is that the hit registration for enemies, sound design, and animation doesn't make it feel like you're hitting anything. Hell, the 10mm pistol in DX1 is fairly broken if you invest into it and can down most enemies with a headshot.
@tristancollins-pellington9382
@tristancollins-pellington9382 3 жыл бұрын
It wasn't "a few broken windows". It was people's lively hoods. These small (mostly black owned) businesses will never recover.
@DrDaveDavington
@DrDaveDavington 3 жыл бұрын
He's not here for a debate. He just wants to bate you and mock you in the next video. You're just an “internet baby” to people like him just let it go
@humidsnake1291
@humidsnake1291 3 жыл бұрын
He always at least puts one virtue signal in his videos
@megamike15
@megamike15 3 жыл бұрын
@@humidsnake1291 this one comes out of nowhere to.
@Gungrave123
@Gungrave123 3 жыл бұрын
Ah, so he snuck a pro-BrunLootMurder rant in this one. Good to know that i can skip this video as well.
@mcteethinator
@mcteethinator 3 жыл бұрын
ok internet baby
@TheFaithfulVegan
@TheFaithfulVegan 3 жыл бұрын
(0:00-4:00) That thesis could apply to all of the Deus Ex games after the original by those standards.
@clone796
@clone796 3 жыл бұрын
Mankind Divided is really good though, but they never get the gunplay quite right tbh. that's the price we pay
@brodriguez11000
@brodriguez11000 2 жыл бұрын
@@clone796 : The complaint about keycodes is interesting because in later Deus Ex if one knew the code it was revealed at entry, otherwise one had to hack.
@ThatTravGuy
@ThatTravGuy 2 жыл бұрын
Damn, sounds like you're having the same problem I had running IW. Even with Visible Upgrade and setting the game to run off of a single core, I still get those black screens on loading zones. Though I didn't think to kill the processes in hopes that it eventually works out. I'll remember that.
@kova1711
@kova1711 Жыл бұрын
All you need is to turn off nvidia overlay, that causes the issue
@OnafetsEnovap
@OnafetsEnovap 3 ай бұрын
@@kova1711 You know what's weird? The Visible Upgrade changes the in-game font to OCR A (which I'm a big fan of), but i's harder to read than Handel Gothic (for me, at least).
@zenhendershott7907
@zenhendershott7907 3 жыл бұрын
I turned the game on and the UI immediately made me nauseous, it's like Alex runs iPod arkanoid as his main OS
@fourlamb1
@fourlamb1 3 жыл бұрын
I loved this game, so very much.
@maltsutty
@maltsutty Жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a review of this game by someone who ACTUALLY loved it instead of legit everyone hating on it lol
@axey7476
@axey7476 Жыл бұрын
I had Invisible War on original Xbox and me and my brother would play it for HOURS on end just using the pick up random item and throw it at people. As we never played Half Life so this was our fight experience with a "grav gun" controllable environment type of play. Still have memories of the Egypt level and running around the class room vents or w/e they were.
@Texelion3Dprints
@Texelion3Dprints 3 жыл бұрын
Me : Oh cool, Invisible WAr, I always wanted to play it, wonder if it's worth it Chris : the good thing about Invisible War is that you really don't need to play it
@alessandromorelli5866
@alessandromorelli5866 3 жыл бұрын
I played it eh there are worst ways to spend your time, you can give it a shot lol
@etherweb6796
@etherweb6796 3 жыл бұрын
I second Alessandro's comment - I played it when it originally came out - It was alright - I played all of the different endings, and yes - the game is a lot smaller / shorter, but still fun. Although Human Revolution or Mankind Divided are both better.
@feetpics3785
@feetpics3785 3 жыл бұрын
It is a waste of time, if a game is bad, let it be entertainingly so, this game is boring.
@mrbouncelol
@mrbouncelol 3 жыл бұрын
If you like the Deus Ex world then it's worth playing. It's not that bad
@crazyrabbits
@crazyrabbits 2 жыл бұрын
You _really_ don't need to play it. There's nothing that's so groundbreaking that it requires you to invest the time. The "big twists" (WTO and Order being the same, JC Denton being alive, Paul somehow(?) being alive) are either given short-shift or don't really mean anything until it's too late to care. The gameplay is so ho-hum that i found it to be a chore.
@Duchess_Van_Hoof
@Duchess_Van_Hoof 3 ай бұрын
The grenade/mines, the lockpicks, the multitools, the hacking, the armour suits and such are the things that make me actually play Deus Ex past the first level. I love all these weird utility items and that I can specialize in them. They are amazing!
@CuckLord1337
@CuckLord1337 3 жыл бұрын
What a perfect review in terms of research and analysis. Great work!
@MICKEYrenraw
@MICKEYrenraw 2 жыл бұрын
8:28 DX:II doesn't have locational damage, so a head shot deals as much damage as a foot shot, another thing dumbed down because it was incorrectly believed console players couldn't manage head shots to take advantage of them ... although that's not the whole truth, locational damage DID exist, but it would only apply when using a scoped weapon... so yes II DID have locational damage but it was removed unless shooting through a scope :C what were they thinking :/
@foxglove65
@foxglove65 3 жыл бұрын
You came all the way to Paris to tell me that?
@wildestcatever
@wildestcatever 3 жыл бұрын
I like this game back then. The gameplay is more streamlined compared to the first game, but its still an enjoyable game on its own right. The lighting back then is sublime.
@StevenGarcia-im8rr
@StevenGarcia-im8rr 3 жыл бұрын
I still hold this as my favorite game of all time, and I know how much others hate it. But to be fair, it was the first game that I played that had a story beyond "kill everything because you have a gun" and I'm sure if I were on PC instead of console and had the first game that would be above this, but it remains so to me and apparently only me.
@papalegba6759
@papalegba6759 3 жыл бұрын
yeah i played it after the original deus ex & really enjoyed it. the first 1 was more immersive imo but this had some great missions, like rescuing the kids in the tarsus academy & the abandoned antarctic base. very atmospheric.
@chrismurphy4398
@chrismurphy4398 2 жыл бұрын
It's my favorite of the bunch
@kaleidoscopickait
@kaleidoscopickait 3 жыл бұрын
I can’t wait for your critique of the newest deus ex!!
@dongvermine
@dongvermine 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Love the coverage
@sothatsdevintart2562
@sothatsdevintart2562 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think that Deus Ex 2 could make a really interesting reimagining, keep some plot points and characters like Alex and J.C. Denton, but change the gameplay and setting to something that feels like a true sequel to Deus Ex.
@ageoflove1980
@ageoflove1980 3 жыл бұрын
Trier is pronounced as Treer (more or less).
@AlexJonesGaming
@AlexJonesGaming 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not gonna sit here and pretend Invisible War is by any means as good as the original Deus Ex it's still a lot of fun and a lot of the issues most people have I find to be kind of nitpicking
@peppermillers8361
@peppermillers8361 3 жыл бұрын
I won't call it nitpicking when you can literally knock out _everything_ in this game with a baton just by maxing out strength and EMP melee damage. It's fun but it also makes the experience really numb and unintentionally hilarious because no one bothered to fix this. Not even DX1 gotten this bad.
@oliverf.4235
@oliverf.4235 3 жыл бұрын
Just because people disagree with you, that doesn't make them 'angry internet babies'. That kind of argument makes yourself look bad.
@BobExcalibur
@BobExcalibur 3 жыл бұрын
It almost looks like intentional irony. He used the "tapestries of ignorance" line from JC as well as his criticisms of how the protagonist takes the Denton's ideas as gospel without answering back... That sounds like a person frustrated with dealing with people who assume their moral and intellectual superiority over you, and irritation at having to deal with them. Either its irony or a critical failure of self-awareness.
@-pressxtostart-
@-pressxtostart- 3 жыл бұрын
Have you read their comments? I could hear them crying and stomping their feet from here.
@user-wf3oc6wy2b
@user-wf3oc6wy2b 3 жыл бұрын
2:46 - I suggest we go with "Disney Live Action" as the code for this situation... :D
@cowboycave5071
@cowboycave5071 3 жыл бұрын
Keep up the good work! I’m lookin forward to the next CRPG vid. It’s been great to watch you take that journey through them.
@OTElron
@OTElron 3 жыл бұрын
Today the augmentation system would have also 3, the third one would do the same thing as 1 and 2 combined and could eihter be acquired by 30 hour grind or be bought in the ingame shop for fantasy money.
@rabbyd542
@rabbyd542 3 жыл бұрын
I have a lot of good memories playing this for real. Never played he original.
@SNESfan8
@SNESfan8 2 жыл бұрын
This was one of my all time favorite games
@megabyte01
@megabyte01 3 жыл бұрын
In an admittedly weak defense of the game, I think it's technical graphics were fairly impressive for the time. The models had high poly counts and the light and shadow effects were eye-catching. That being said, good graphics alone do not make a good game. They should have just finished making thief 3 first and then worked on the deus ex sequel.
@maltsutty
@maltsutty Жыл бұрын
I remember playing on the original Xbox and being blown away by the ragdoll physics . Tossing bodies over fences never got old to a young naive me lol
@megabyte01
@megabyte01 Жыл бұрын
Coming back to this game a couple years later, I think the main reason I wanted to enjoy it (keyword wanted) was because I enjoyed the first game so much and I wanted to experience more of its world and the consequences of my decisions as a player. It was interesting to see how the story acknowledged each of the different endings and allowed you to made a more final choice this time, including the semi-secret Omar ending.
@Xertaron.
@Xertaron. 3 жыл бұрын
Feels like Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance next to the original - it's Baldur's Gate, but not really.
@megamike15
@megamike15 3 жыл бұрын
thats a bad example. da was not pretending to be a sequel. if anything baldurs gate 3 fits more.
@Xertaron.
@Xertaron. 3 жыл бұрын
@@megamike15 Invisible War doesn't call itself "Deus Ex 2" either. From the name it sounds more like a spin off, rather than a sequel. As for bg3 i do admit i'm not a fan of the direction it's going for, but we'll see when it's released.
@video_ouija7114
@video_ouija7114 3 жыл бұрын
My buddy just brought this over and we played it. My first time seeing it
@FainDAFT
@FainDAFT 3 жыл бұрын
Just picked up human Revolution. The lore is dope and I’m digging the gameplay. Might check the older ones out eventually
@julianbell9161
@julianbell9161 2 жыл бұрын
You gotta play the original
@camillewhite1055
@camillewhite1055 3 жыл бұрын
great vid, you got a sub! Can you do human revolution next? I got the deluxe edition a few weeks ago on sale for $5 on xbox one x
@TactDB
@TactDB 10 ай бұрын
The worst part of the Xbox was how ALL PC games started to be like this. That's why that argument resonates so well. FPS games went from 90 FOV to default 45-60 (for consoles). They went from large maps and levels to bite sized ones (for consoles limited ram). Controls used to be all encompassing to limited (for console controllers; no F-keys for your augments on a controller).
@Neunzehnsechs
@Neunzehnsechs 3 жыл бұрын
Well it's not a bad game. But it is not the game we expected to get after the hype around it
@gustavonovakoski4867
@gustavonovakoski4867 3 жыл бұрын
The problem of playing this game on pc is that EVERY LOADING SCREEN goes to your desktop it's sooo annoying
@Adamnme01
@Adamnme01 3 жыл бұрын
It should have been titled Deus ex : visible loading
@ac8911
@ac8911 Жыл бұрын
Invisible War development can be summed up with one asinine question: "Why play a videogame when you can watch a movie?"
@andrewstencel
@andrewstencel Жыл бұрын
Deus Ex had a 40 hours campaign? I finished it in about 16 hours, while taking my time and exploring the maps quite a bit...
@ColonelBragg
@ColonelBragg 9 ай бұрын
I feel like this game was held back by the hardware of the era more than anything.
@casanovafunkenstein5090
@casanovafunkenstein5090 3 жыл бұрын
This story summary immediately becomes far more compelling if, like me, you accidentally mishear 'JC' as 'Jay Z'
@JonathanPaspula
@JonathanPaspula 3 жыл бұрын
Deus Ex IS ONLY ENTERTAINMENT
@YOBAMUSTDIE
@YOBAMUSTDIE 3 жыл бұрын
Go for Thief Deadly Shadows against previous 2 games next time, also try vanilla and gold patch versions where chunks of maps was combined into big maps and fixed one of the biggest flaws that also limited invisible wars.
@supremeworld87
@supremeworld87 3 жыл бұрын
Deadly shadows was fantastic even if inferior to 1 and 2
@Faoulon
@Faoulon 3 жыл бұрын
algorithm comment, hyped to watch it!
@dranyth
@dranyth 3 жыл бұрын
Chrono Cross is the only 'false sequel' I really consider legit. I mean, the game has interesting mechanics, amazing soundtrack, great graphics as a late era PSX game, and the story is intriguing... up until near the end they go 'Oh yeah, this is a sequel to Chrono Trigger', and completely shit all over the characters from Chrono Trigger. So it's a fine game on its own, but I really hate it as a sequel to Chrono Trigger.
@megamike15
@megamike15 3 жыл бұрын
you can't be a false sequel when the events of trigger are why cross even happened.
@JonathanPaspula
@JonathanPaspula 3 жыл бұрын
Resident Evil 4? Metal Gear Rising Revengeance?
@megamike15
@megamike15 3 жыл бұрын
@@JonathanPaspula re 4 is still connected to the rest of the series. mgrr is a spin off not a sequel.
@theimperialcanis3111
@theimperialcanis3111 3 жыл бұрын
I was able to acquire a dual pack of this and DX1 for cheap on Ebay. To run them smoothly, especially DX2, I went into my bios and disabled multi-core computing and turbo boost. Then I set the ATA mode to IDE and enabled full legacy support, in order to install Windows XP on my second hard drive. Between Windows XP and CPU limitations at the bios level, my DX2 gameplay seems to be running fairly smoothly. It's definitely a ridiculous setup, but I enjoy using older OSes from time to time.
@brodriguez11000
@brodriguez11000 2 жыл бұрын
Virtualization sounds like it would be an easier path unless one needs hardware accuracy.
@kurtchristel4035
@kurtchristel4035 2 жыл бұрын
I loved this game as a kid. Also I had NOT played the original so there was no expectations going in. And the demo was interesting enough.
@jon_reddingArchives
@jon_reddingArchives 4 ай бұрын
39:50 I never cringed so hard so far into a video
@thesii213
@thesii213 3 жыл бұрын
I remember modifying the UI on this and wound up really enjoying it. I still remember the last snow levels and the sound of the arctic snow underfoot. I have no idea why this stands out to me after such a long time.
@sebastiansochanski
@sebastiansochanski 3 жыл бұрын
Is it only this game in particular or any snow level in any game? Cause for some reason I enjoy them a lot,games, films, books whatever is set in harsh, snowy environment I love it.
@thesii213
@thesii213 3 жыл бұрын
@@sebastiansochanski Good question. I think this one seemed to do it best relative to other games I'd played at the time? The crunch of the snow underfoot sounded different... like a superfrozen arctic snow that felt more like styrofoam than anything else. I really liked it. I also had all the speed upgrades and a sword, so I felt like a predator racing over the open environments.
@Dennis-nc3vw
@Dennis-nc3vw 2 жыл бұрын
One thing I loved about IW is every level has its own atmosphere. The eerie, cold arctic. The sterile, soulless (in a good way), modern Upper Seattle. The sinister, gothic Templar hideout. Etc. It's the opposite of Deus Ex: Human Revolution where everything just blends together into one yellow meh.
@nerodelacroix9281
@nerodelacroix9281 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to hear you opinions on Resident Evil 6!
@YourOwnDa
@YourOwnDa 3 жыл бұрын
this is the first deus ex game i ever played as a kid lmao
@SiManRevolution
@SiManRevolution 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for the Mankind Divided video, I keep bouncing off that game and I can't tell why it doesn't engage me at all.
@raresmacovei8382
@raresmacovei8382 3 жыл бұрын
I was vastly more engaged by Mankind Divided than Human Revolution personally. I felt more freedom in MD in the levels and choices. HR felt like a linear game to me with a conversation here and there
@Texelion3Dprints
@Texelion3Dprints 3 жыл бұрын
Same, I started 3 times already and find it boring after a few hours. Dunno why, I liked HR and the first Deus Ex is one of the best game ever, even if I never took the time to finish it.
@BobExcalibur
@BobExcalibur 3 жыл бұрын
Mankind Divided, where the plot and world building make no sense, and the dominant strategy is to break into every house in the game and rob the occupants blind, thus completely justifying the anti-aug prejudice that the game is meant to be about opposing.
@megamike15
@megamike15 3 жыл бұрын
his human revolution review :" this black woman shows up and i'm sure the manbabies in the comments would have shot her on sight given the chance."
@tequilawhiskey
@tequilawhiskey 3 жыл бұрын
Even aa my first DX i knew it couldnt have been living up to the hype.
@metalbobted
@metalbobted 3 жыл бұрын
How about anticlimaxers, or rebound games for codifying this new genre
@JonathanPaspula
@JonathanPaspula 3 жыл бұрын
This comment section came up with “false sequels” which I think is good
@metalbobted
@metalbobted 3 жыл бұрын
@@JonathanPaspula same here
@MisterAAnderson
@MisterAAnderson 3 жыл бұрын
Not sure I understand the blank slate PC argument. JC Denton in Deus Ex 1 was also a blank slate. He was literally cloned and modified not to have any emotions. It was other characters that were cool in Deus Ex 1. After merging with Helios JC Denton is really cool. The female PC in Invisible War seems better IMHO.
@BobExcalibur
@BobExcalibur 3 жыл бұрын
JC's personality allows him to be adversarial and sardonic toward every character he meets, and especially the highly opinionated ones. He can even insult an insane drug addict for threatening to blow him up with a grenade right to his face. Replay the game.
@MisterAAnderson
@MisterAAnderson 3 жыл бұрын
@@BobExcalibur Most of those remarks seem to be a byproduct of an accident, on the borderline of amateurish voice acting from a B rated movie. Example: killing Chad Dumier and making that funny "He was a good man *tsk* What a rotten way to die." That was not intentional, though very entertaining. Don't get me wrong. I loved both games. I'm just saying that it won't win any Oscars or anything. My guess is that J.C. Denton was supposed to sound like Neo from the Matrix or something. Paul Denton, the terrorists, Manderley, Tong and nearly everyone else has much more character, emotion, interest in what's going on around them. J.C. is made to be an emotionless killing machine. It's part of the plot too.
@BobExcalibur
@BobExcalibur 3 жыл бұрын
@@MisterAAnderson You're getting the voice acting confused with the script. A character who is no more than an emotionless killing machine would not contest the nationalistic rhetoric of the bar tender in Hong Kong, or criticise the Morpheus AI for its insistence that humans place no value in freedom.
@MisterAAnderson
@MisterAAnderson 3 жыл бұрын
@@BobExcalibur Do you need emotions to question things?
@BobExcalibur
@BobExcalibur 3 жыл бұрын
@@MisterAAnderson No, and your point initially was that JC was a "blank slate" and "emotionless". I've pointed out that he was neither of these things. This is tiresome.
@jcdenton616
@jcdenton616 3 жыл бұрын
Cool Vid.
@leramar
@leramar 3 жыл бұрын
That Ubisoft burn, haha.
@LetsPlayPC
@LetsPlayPC 2 жыл бұрын
In retrospect, this game was the advanced herald of the Dark Ages of PC gaming. It was the first in a series of games that signalled the destruction of the platform, which was only revived thanks to Steam and crowd funding.
@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978
@draugnaustaunikunhymnphoo6978 3 жыл бұрын
I always used a Baton for attacking. Electrical baton.
@ShaneyCrotty
@ShaneyCrotty 3 жыл бұрын
great content! made me want to replay deus ex, albeit not this one!
@helloguy6452
@helloguy6452 3 жыл бұрын
What difficulty are you playing on
@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK
@DanMcLeodNeptuneUK 3 жыл бұрын
"Some people are more worried about broken windows than black people" - fuckin' 'A'
@uuuibeubeo
@uuuibeubeo 3 жыл бұрын
2:44 does "IP orphan" work?
@HYDRARMOR
@HYDRARMOR 3 жыл бұрын
Operation snowblind next maybe?
@independentthought3390
@independentthought3390 3 жыл бұрын
Invisible War was one of the first PC games, ported from xbox to PC. It basically started the consolization era, which eventually ended the single player first person shooters and rts games, while dumbing down all other genres.
@yan-amar
@yan-amar 3 жыл бұрын
So, is the game a big project gone bad, a quick cash-in, or a big project gone into a quick cash-in ?
@megamike15
@megamike15 3 жыл бұрын
it suffered from being a console game sequel to a successful pc only game. so a mix of all 3?
@PunishedGayMelGibson
@PunishedGayMelGibson 3 жыл бұрын
My uncle had a homosexual relationship with Guillermo Del Toro's father
@e2rqey
@e2rqey 3 жыл бұрын
5:53 sounds a whole lot like 343 Industries.
@GuyIncognitoIV
@GuyIncognitoIV 3 жыл бұрын
I played this when quite young and before the original, so I was able to enjoy it a lot as I’d not played anything quite like it at that point Then I played the original, which I realised was better in almost every way (save rag doll physics!) Playing as a more analytic adult nowadays, the almost insulting simplicity of the game and even its worldbuilding finally ended my rosy nostalgia for it Btw, in regards to the Order attack at the start being dismissed as an ‘overzealous captain’, there actually is a reason for it and not just an excuse for target practice. In the Order’s mission in Seattle you’ll encounter that captain, Lamar, and learn that he’s working with the Templars
@smashSpikeMC
@smashSpikeMC Жыл бұрын
running it on linux with proton worked great I have a pov and wide screen mod I had to put in the settings script
@ArtofWEZ
@ArtofWEZ 3 жыл бұрын
This was my first deus ex, I was so disappointed playing the first one after and it not having ragdoll lol I remember much more and have more fond memories of this one than the original.
@peppermillers8361
@peppermillers8361 3 жыл бұрын
Ragdoll physics were fun to mess around with in IW.
@dingbatfpv
@dingbatfpv Жыл бұрын
I liked this game, it was the first immersive sim I played, I rinsed the demo and bought it as soon as it came out. Something about the hard shadow and ultra harsh normal maps aesthetic is cool as fuck. It's not realistic but it's rad.
@michaelkitchin9665
@michaelkitchin9665 2 жыл бұрын
I don't quite get why they'd dumb down controls or the experience at large for console development. Deus Ex came out a year prior on the PS2.
@indoje
@indoje 3 жыл бұрын
This was my first Deus Ex game on PC. I legitimately liked it! There were very few games like this at the time. Years later I played the original and really loved it. The one thing I might say is better in Invisible War is that guns behave like guns. Still, there's no reason to go back to this game. It's not special in any way.
@moonmessiah9368
@moonmessiah9368 3 жыл бұрын
Ya for its time it was actually doing insane things I didn't think were possible. But now all of its unique features are commonplace across alot of genres so it doesnt stand out as much
@Bornchiller123
@Bornchiller123 2 жыл бұрын
it was absolutely horrible to play after having loved the first deus ex game to the bones. It was a pure insult to fans of the first game.
@RichardVSmall
@RichardVSmall 3 жыл бұрын
Good analysis, I'm interested to see what you think of Human Revolution. I remember really liking it at the time, but I wonder how it compares to the original and how well it's aged 9 years later. Keep up the good work!
@jamesserrano5619
@jamesserrano5619 3 жыл бұрын
Human Revolution imo was good but like a lot of post 2001 immersive sims there is usually one design flaw that holds it back from greatness. In DE1 you make decisions on how to approach a problem organically, but in HR you usually choose at the beginning if you want stealth or combat.
@geegee1014
@geegee1014 3 жыл бұрын
At least they gave it a proper ending. I'm looking at you mankind divided.
@vrapbrap
@vrapbrap 3 жыл бұрын
You give a good reminder that sometimes we all enjoy a good old mediocre game. Sometimes I've enjoyed some really horrible ones because they went to the "it's so bad it's good" Territory. Games like enemy front. Most games at least do something right to keep me playing them. This game however I can never forgive for being average or slightly below it. This holds a special place in my heart as the first game that felt like a betrayal. The first game that taught me that sometimes, money and creativity do not find a good compromise. Games are a business, but it's at it best when the developers and the publishers find some common ground. This felt like a mess on all sides and the end result should have been just cancelled.
@castrochris94
@castrochris94 2 жыл бұрын
Great video from an extremely handsome sounding man
@GuyOnAChair
@GuyOnAChair 3 жыл бұрын
I want JC Denton to return as the main playable character in some form in the future. :/
@ageoflove1980
@ageoflove1980 3 жыл бұрын
A Deus Ex remake would also be quite nice. To see the game in a full blown high budget ray traced and all that good stuff ultimate next gen version would be awesome. I think the only thing that really aged badly are the graphics. It would probably blow the minds of many gamers who never played the original.
@peppermillers8361
@peppermillers8361 3 жыл бұрын
@@ageoflove1980 eh, I don't think DX1 needs a remake. The game already has mods that make it look Slightly better.
@glb1993
@glb1993 Жыл бұрын
I enjoyed this game a lot as a kid but guess I had rose tinted goggles at the time because I'd forgotten about alot of the issues this game had in it. I know I absolutely loved the first game as well when I played I on ps2 but yeah I realize now that the first was quite a lot better than invisible war. I still found it to be a fun time although no where near as much as the first game.
@AlfredoHernandez-vu1ft
@AlfredoHernandez-vu1ft 2 жыл бұрын
I like your content man but there is a lot more nuance to the broken windows comment I saw multiple business owned by colored people in my city of Chicago burned to the ground and it was something really sad to see man. The truth is that situation shouldn’t have never happened in the first place. I remember fearing my place of work (a small business) was going to get burnt to the ground and I think had you experienced something like that you think twice about that comment and I’m saying this as a colored person
@release2
@release2 Жыл бұрын
Agree, it was more than just a few broken windows. It's also kind of offensive to me to have someone who has probably never even visited the country but making comments like that.
@Owl90
@Owl90 Жыл бұрын
3:28 lmao YES
@griimae8022
@griimae8022 3 жыл бұрын
Ok, I’ll bite: Broken windows of black people’s businesses do negatively affect their lives; more so, if they are set on fire afterwards; and the lives and well-being of people, who put a lot of hard work, made something of themselves, and helped their communities, objectively matter more than whatever is that sad existence of the drags doing the breaking and arson in the name of some dragon-chasing gang-banger, who posthumously became a millionaire, literally proving that he’s worth more dead than alive. I’m looking forward to the continuation of your analysis of the current sociopolitical climate in the next video! Just don’t bury the lead - your videos usually knock me out after 20 minutes or so. It’s a miracle I got that far in this one!
@saisameer8771
@saisameer8771 3 жыл бұрын
His game analyses are really good but he is one hell of a champagne socialist with a tendency to lecture people on what is good for them.
@mcteethinator
@mcteethinator 3 жыл бұрын
hey bro, have you heard of "insurance".
@TheDeadfast
@TheDeadfast 3 жыл бұрын
@@mcteethinator Yes, because insurance companies are universally known for immediately paying you the full sum required to make you whole, no questions asked.
@Konski82
@Konski82 3 жыл бұрын
I played this mess purely on the greatest of the previous Dues Ex but it completely stained the series. Thanks for this video.
@Micke12312
@Micke12312 3 жыл бұрын
Same here. Awful experience.
@benoakes01
@benoakes01 3 жыл бұрын
I actually loved this game and thief 3. I hadn't played the originals, but these were not poor games
@robertforster8984
@robertforster8984 8 ай бұрын
Deus Ex Invisible War is a good game. It is way better than Human Revolution. HR was not even an immersive sim.
@BucklingSwashes
@BucklingSwashes 3 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the prequels! I feel like Invisible War just doesn't have any notable reason to return to it years later, but the original game, Human Revolution, and Mankind Divided each have some wonderful aspects that make them worth the time you spend playing them. Ultimately, that's what I want in a game. I'll return to a short, "dumbed down" game like Splinter Cell: Conviction because it moves quickly, has fun combat, and features some of the best storytelling and performances of the series. On the other hand, I don't feel much of any reason to go back to Pandora Tomorrow or Double Agent, as playing through either feels like a pointless, hours-long slog since Chaos Theory accomplishes everything they do, albeit better. Invisible War reminds me of those second and fourth SC games. It hasn't aged especially well, but more than that, it just doesn't do anything better than any of the other titles in the series. The story is okay but not great, combat is barely better than its predecessor, and its level and mission design are less complex than all three other titles. I just can't imagine WANTING to play it again, as I simply don't feel compelled to spend any of my limited time with it.
@BucklingSwashes
@BucklingSwashes 3 жыл бұрын
@GiRayne That's really interesting, and I understand that viewpoint for sure. I agree IW tried going for a broader range of possibilities with its endings, but I think for Human Revolution and Mankind Divided, with the limits they had on how the story could end, they focused more on the individual choices leading up to that, especially in how they related to their overarching themes of transhumanism, prejudice, "fake" news, and corporatocracy. While I think the first two games touched on a lot of bigger ideas like those, I always felt like they used those more as an extension of the setting than an actual exploration of those ideas. That may be due in part to the more serious nature with which the newer titles handle those issues compared to the somewhat campier treatment of conspiracies and government secrets that the old games had. Also, as someone who also had never finished Mankind Divided but just recently decided to go back and try it again, I will just say that I absolutely recommend it if you can make the time. The story is a lot better than I expected (despite the disappointing lack of closure), and in terms of exploration and world building, it's arguably the best in the series. The themes also feel particularly relevant right now. When playing in 2016, I recall being somewhat affected by references to the militarization of police and the use of media to reframe civil rights groups as terrorists, but it all seemed a bit heavy-handed at the time. In 2020, it feels practically understated to me now, and that definitely affected the role playing aspects of my approach to the game later on in my first playthrough. It's all great stuff and leaves a much bigger impression than I expected. I started my second playthrough almost immediately and am currently about two thirds of the way in, and still I'm discovering new clues about the main plot and some of the ongoing mysteries of the story that I hadn't recognized before. It has me really excited for another sequel, which I hope Eidos Montreal is able to work on now.
@BobExcalibur
@BobExcalibur 3 жыл бұрын
@@BucklingSwashes I don't know how you could come to that conclusion. There is no parity between real world civil rights issues and the augs in Dude Sex: Mancheeks Apart. An event where every augmented person in the world who managed to get a mandatory patch suddenly turned into a feral zombie and attacked everyone around them would not be blamed on the augmented people; that event is transparently the fault of the corporations responsible for providing the augmentation and the patch. Darrow and Seraph would have been pilloried, and resentment would exist certainly, but the idea that augs would get treated like they are in DX:MD is ludicrous. Trying to make an allegory for 13 do 50 being caused by "white privilege" and "systemic racism" with global spontaneous mind control with a clear culprit is asinine. Fantastical allegories are nearly always stupid. Mutants are not an acceptable allegory for gays, Klingons are not an acceptable allegory for Muslims, and androids are not suitable allegories for the subaltern.
@foxglove65
@foxglove65 3 жыл бұрын
My favourite experience in DX:MD was first getting to "The Throat". No words, just a haunting piece of music and wonderful visuals.
@megamike15
@megamike15 3 жыл бұрын
one person i remember described human revolution as fan fiction. i agree both prequels feel so irreverent to the over all series.
@JustSkram
@JustSkram 3 жыл бұрын
HR had a good balance between gameplay and story IMO, I didn't even really mind the piss filter from a thematic standpoint. MD has the best gameplay in the series but the story is awful. It feels like the devs wanted to make anything other than a deus ex game, like the visual design for MD screams to me that they made it out of force rather than wanting, like they made the world and gameplay first for something they wanted and then had to think of a way to fit deus ex into it. I do hope SE takes it back off the shelf and let us finish the obvious trilogy someday or at the very least let Montreal go full on with their design and make it it's own IP.
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