From someone who almost never plays TCGI and only plays combat in Genshin i found this vid very interesting and informative.

Another (I think even bigger) problem I realized is how efficient card draw engine is. Best proof of that, is when you compare old combo deck like AyaMiya to decks like YelanOTK or ChongRazor, you'll notice that they now ramp in cards (like 0 cost artifacts), instead of dice (like parametric). Also they now run only one copy of Gambler, since it doesn't matter, because you draw your entire deck on round 3. This is what made Hypermagic so OP, because you were guaranteed to draw all of your broken cards like Gilded, Jeht or Boar Princess.

Yeah I agree with basically everything you said, a lot of these gilded hypermagic treasure decks basically play themselves with how easily they can just outpace and otk other decks with the sheer amount of dice value. I mean, it’s like playing against 10-16 extra dice per turn with no way to stop it outside of maybe arcane judgement. They really need to look at lyresong undersea treasure boar and gilded next patch or the tcg will just die

TCG right now feels like modern yugioh- whoever draws their entire deck and combos first wins. It honestly feels like a punishment if you aren't playing rainbow (except for maybe freeze.. but even they add anemo and dont need the team healing from hydro resonance nowadays)

I think given how gilded was limited to rainbow decks, resonance decks should also get some cards. The elemental resonances are simply not enough, those are single use cards that dont have too much deck synergy outside hydro, meanwhile gilded benefits massively from artifact/companion engine. I say we buff up resonance, perhaps add more control cards instead of just nerfing gilded directly. Although I feel like the game might just need a general rebalance, I feel like 10 HP is starting to be too little for how much damage can be done in only a couple rounds

Tbh, I only ever built decks in the beginning of the game. It was quite fun back then, when people still tried to figure out the game, but like with the original game, the meta was discovered pretty quickly and it didn't seem like they were trying to fix the cards that much. The only reason I was looking into TCG videos again was because despite all that, I still played the general challenges that didn't require you to play PvP, but with the Apep boss, I noticed for the first time, how outclassed these old decks are. It wasn't even possible to beat the guy and now I get why he casually did like 5 damage for one dice at times, because it seems the economy has been so bad that this is the genuine state of the game.

If resonance cards lasted the entire game instead of just 1 round I think it would make up for their teams having less reactions. So like electro res giving the active character 1 energy at the start of the round.

Yes the reason you can have cards like pot of greed is because of dice cost but they have basically nerfed dice cost into oblivion almost everything cost 0 dice by the second turn quicker if you get good draws and the dice generation is crazy now. Remember when paimon was the best dice generation card.

it's incredibile how I don't understand how to play property but I try to do it nonetheless by watching videos and reading comments... my brain is a colander when it needs to retain card games information

Great video, definitely didn't think is was going to be Gilded The audio balance was pretty low on my end, I had a hard time hearing you over the music at max volume, and there were a couple very minor editing things I would've preferred but overall amazing video!

The viable resonance is faction resonance. The monster and especially fatui only cards are great.

*TL;DR: I rambled a bunch about Pokémon decks but I think the GITCG should either have people deck out to mitigate milling or retroactively implement rules like Supporters and Items in Pokémon. I don’t think the meta has ever really lasted long enough for people to deck out, but it would be a start.** Since the majority of my TCG knowledge is Pokémon, I thought about some ideas that could serve as a basis for possible GITCG changes. The game doesn’t last long enough for this to be a viable fix as of now, but a mechanic where you automatically lose if you can’t draw a card at the end of your turn might help a little. End Phase drawing makes it a little tricky to decide when to call the loss though. I was thinking about how Night March was a haha funny deck where you could set up Basic Pokémon with low cost attacks that could do insane amounts of damage (200+) and sweep your opponent at the risk of decking out via milling or having no Pokémon fielded after a KO. Of course, that was back around 2015 but Yanmega BREAK still made use of the Night March concept with sub carry Vesbiquen and Bee Revenge in the 2016 World Champs. More recently we have stuff like Radiant Greninja that lets you draw a card in exchange for discarding an energy and was used to help the Gardevoir EX engine snowball in endgame or the Solrock/Lunatone engine that can easily dish out 120+ damage per turn on Lunatone and sustain 270 a turn with Mewtwo VStar unless your opponent had aggressive bench sniping. But all of these decks still run the risk of decking out or have other disadvantages. Gardevoir EX requires a full evolution chain and takes 20 damage for every energy attached via its ability and Lunatone is easily KO’d like Night March carries while Mewtwo VStar is a two cost card and starts to crumble if your Solrocks get sniped and you can’t restore your energy sustain, both leading to death by a thousand cuts every time a Solrock is KO’d. GITCG has none of these and starts coming down to who goes first and who gets better RNG to draw every card they need and sweep on Round 3~. I think retroactively classifying cards like Pokémon may help. Only being able to play 1 Supporter per turn means you have to choose between disrupting your opponent with Boss’s Orders or drawing with Iono/N/whoever. Items have their own limitations. Ultra Ball requiring you to discard 2 cards, Capturing Aroma requiring a coin flip to determine what card you can draw. You also can’t play Supporter’s on Turn 1 which would prevent people from unloading an entire hand of Companion Cards when the match starts. The problem with this is that it cuts both ways and doesn’t really do anything to help Resonance decks. Anyways, I was just thinking about how much fun I have playing Ice Path FTW even though it’s 7 years old at this point and outclassed by other decks. (Also, the normal Alolan Ninetales theme deck shutting down EX and GX carries is funny to me)

Thank you for this very good analysis! Personally, I think a 1/turn nerf to both gilded & lyresong might be a useful starting point.

Gilded dreams isn't even the problem anymore. I've gotten to the point where I don't even run the card in my magic decks because there's cards with similar effects that are much easier to deploy early. Heck, the yayoi nerf wasn't even impactful. Immediately after the announcement of the incoming nerf, I tested replacing yayoi package with mao 2 nsc and an MMR and my winrate drastically increased. The reason resonance decks have fallen off is that before, they had a monopoly on wovens, but in exchange you pay a deckbuilding cost to gain access. Now every deck has so many wovens available for free that that's no longer needed. The *other* issue is that decks have so much draw, which combined with said wovens means that the best ramp now is always just drawing more cards. Seelie is now just as dice positive as big paimon, but with no major downtime caused by sinking 3 dice into a card with no immediate effect. Heart of khavernah and boar princess are by far the biggest offenders, but with the addition of bonecrunch, even they may be passed by.

This TCG update has finally made me quit the TCG. I can't take it anymore.

Buffing rainbow when rainbow is already dominant is a bit of an odd design choice. I fully expected something like this to happen, although I expected it to be more on the paimon-style side of things. Invokation has bizarre design, where because characters have to be made to feel related to their Genshin incarnations, there's no room for characters to have synergies with specific decks - cards can have synergy with characters, but characters can only have synergy with other characters. This means that there are no characters who are strongly unable to use any given card, and with the game starting out already quite search-heavy, that was always going to result in the best engines being used everywhere. It was only a matter of time before the best engines meant high search power and dice generation. If you wanted to fix this properly, the way it would have to be done would be by making characters directly relate to the contents of a deck. For example, maybe Arlecchino can't be equipped with artifacts, thereby incentivising a more weapon-focused deck. The other option would just be to accept that this best engine is simply how the game works now, and focus on ensuring there's still a good diversity of characters even when the decks behind them are similar.

And the current patch is even worse, the new cards are really broken They deal very big damage, so many ftk & otk possibilities

I randomly signed up for the recent wild card qualifier on a whim. I didn’t look up meta for fun and because people seemed to be divided on what meta even looked like. I went in with the best decks I could cook with my two brain cells. (Read: not good) My one opponent had Yelan OTK, Razor OTK and some stall variant as their 3 decks though I didn’t know those archetypes at the time. I banned the stall deck and yolo’d. Man facing the boar princess and underwater treasure engines for the first time were a wake up call that soured me on ever playing competitive GITCG again. I have no interest in playing against players when those engines exist because it all feels so pointless. Why try to be thoughtful with your 8 dice and strategize if the other guy will just have +20 dice in a single turn? And it’s not even like these engines are inconsistent or easy to stop. It’s built out of tutors and cheap draw spells. Good luck to anyone who enjoys PvP in GITCG. I hope they make it more enjoyable for you.

Wow thats a lot of informative details!! Thank you so much

This sounds so much like YGO video lol So many nerfs and none of my favorites ever get buffs (Albedo and Kaeya). I stoppped playing back when they nerfed Maguu Kenki just as I started using it against NPCs, that kind of killed it for me.

I think the game has moved into a spot, where most decks are trying to deal their damage in the least interactive ways possible: OTK, token spam or stall. You can always shift your dice into future turns and even earn interest on them, so you are no longer forced to play an interactive game. I think the game might need to fundamentally shift to make dice transfer more taxing to incentivize you to play more proactive. I also think there should be more action cards, that have a more immediate impact on play. Maybe not instant like adeptus, cause it has been somewhat problematic in the past when facing pyro res, that you constantly have to play around your opponent being able to do +6 dmg at any moment, but maybe something like "Can only be used if your opponent has more than 2 dice and hasn't ended their turn. After your opponent back to you, their active character has the element of your current active character applied to them." or "..., apply a debuff to their active character preventing them from getting healed for the rest of the turn.". You know cards, that apply pressure and make passive players move. In general I've always been a proponent of more tech cards in the TCG.

the only 3 characters i need to win. fishl, noelle and diluc. most games, i start by spawning oz and afterward, noelle can deal with everything else. other times, i start with noelle and genuinely never swap her unless forced (because of overload damage, for exemple). there are times where fishil and diluc deal with the opposition without any need for noelle. very rarely do i need all 3 to pull their weight. with overload, diluc's burst is a 1 shot kill on whoever get hit. meanwhile, once noelle's burst is activated, every enemies get killed in 2 hits (unless a shield is used). with her weapon, relic and artefact equip, my noelle swipe all she face. any health problem she face are generaly solved by using food.

"killing" implies that it was ever alive xD

I played tcg once and never again so this was interesting 😂

Honestly, this is the reason why I don't play TCG anymore. Early on I noticed that they weren't serious about balancing this game in the development stage itself. Any nerfs came afterwards when players come up with broken decks and have already experienced heaven with a infinite win streak. And it was frustrating to see my fav cards not win once even with a proper deck. The problem seems to have only grown in scale rather than being fixed a year later. (Not to mention all the bots you can get in the matching) I am not saying this to hate on GITCG but this game doesn't belong in Genshin, maybe as a separate app would have been fine. This game mode is the reason a lot of people, including me, lost trust in Hoyo's judgement of what players want. I can't think positively of them, ever again no matter how much they fix things now. But if they wanted to walk the path of appeasing casuals, the least they could have done is focus on balancing TCG properly. I have no problem with TCG existing, I only have a problem with core combat being ignored. It's just that if they wanted to walk this path, they should have walked it properly and not introduce broken card after broken card without putting any thought into it. At least that's what it seemed like from what you were describing in your video. Of course I could be wrong, this is just a passerby's opinion on what your video. If I am wrong, then I apologise in advance for my words.

Me when they release Gilded: Play for a week, see the bullshit dice asspull, then stops playing normal PvP till this day 🤣. Well still doing matchmaking for like 2 or 3 days to try new cards, but not daily play like pre-Fontaine patches. Surprise" they release Jeht after that LoL, seeing gameplay of dumpstering supports cards just to feed Jeht is pretty saddening. Seriously though if they're fine with that much dice in a round, just get rid of the round system altogether and rework round based abilities. During these 4.x patches, I only frequently play TCG when we have the Draft Mode Heated Battle, more matchup variety & lot less usage of those problematic cards. I genuinely hope they make permanent draft mode matchmaking.

OH NO NOT TCG HOW COULD THEY

cyno must do something

Hoyoverse absolutely does not care for game's ballance. They are clearly completely oblivious to this. As they keep releasing overpowered nonsenses which they have to nerf later. It is happening constantly.... with character I want to play the most (Noelle) having less and less chances to be viable. :( Now when Navia came, I am using some of the copium that Noelle and Geo Resonance are still in the game somehow.

12:22 yelan otk

Tcg is already dead wdym om

Ah so it's now a regular TCG. And no longer a genshin meme. That being it's not full of ways for players to sweat there balls off and a mass disparity between top strategys. Man it's almost like this is a card game and that's what happens in card games. Pretty sure hoyo design team stopped caring and IRL TCG sweats got ahold of this game killing it for everyone. If u not about that life. My advice. Just walk away because it's NEVER going to change

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