Bring back the hand check or get rid of the 3second rules , and all of a sudden all the small guards like Steph, dame, fox, etc will struggle to even score layups.

Exactly this. Also, removing handchecking made drives even more difficult to stop, add better shooting to allow kickouts and it is the perfect storm. Either 3 sec rules or freedom of movement should be changed IMO.

It's not rule changes that unlocked this level of NBA offense. The hand-checking rule was implemented in 2005. 18 years ago. The 3 sec rule was implemented 2002. 21 years ago.

Yes and no at the same time. In the 1980s, you had rules in place that allowed fast players to cut to the basket. Or helps shooters taking mid-range jumpers on an island. The Illegal Defense wasn't greatly officiated, but when it happened... there were games slowed down by illegal defenses calls! Horace Grant was famous for pointing at his defender in order to gain illegal defense calls from officials.

​@@wattheuface my guy one of the main reasons why offenses are so good now is because of the removal of the illegal defense

Shows the value of guys like Vanderbilt and Mobley

Yeah as this vid was goign on it’s just insane to me that there’s practically nothing defense can do. If all else fails anyone in th e league can hit a contested 3 or a step back. Defense nowadays is just hoping the other team can miss. It’s fun exciting but must be frustrating. There’s nothing you can do cause everyone is athletic nowadays. Anyone above 6’9 should not be hitting 3’s this much but what can ya do.?

@@thesnipingspider3852 Cause there is no defense. You are not allowed to check anyone. See how everything changes if they just reinstate the handcheck rule. xD

@@cesco1990 Lol, hand checking got removed when Kobe got locked up in 2004, and teams weren't scoring like they were now until over a decade later. Nobody complained about no more hand checking until 2015 when Curry started bombing 3's. Hand checking would also invite more flopping. Harden/CP3 would easily abuse the rip through and hooking the defenders arm to draw more fouls.

@Ali Lamar What's the complete picture? Hand checking isn't going to help players who can't slip through screens and give up the open 3. Nobody had an issue with Kobe Bryant winning 2 more rings after they removed hand checking because he had his worst final worse ever, but now we do? Lmao

One of th best games of all time? Wow that's a bad take. This isn't basketball anymore. The NBA is done.

​@@rg7535 Bro I don't know how you can be so wrong that game was amazing to watch

​@@rg7535 casual

@@rg7535 weirdo

@@DatBoi-xc3ny What's amazing about two teams running around and jacking up threes non-stop? You're probablt a casual fan. Look at the teams the fans still love and remember, like the Ben Wallace's Pistons. You'll never see anything like that anymore. This is noob basketball.

lol they can’t make a deep playoff run

I’d still be shocked if they got past the second round

They won't make a deep playoff run lol it's a good story but first round is were it ends

The Clippers have a koala.

​@@McFly7414 you're a casual.

superstars are players that elevate their game in the playoffs you can’t call fox a superstar yet

I’m surprised they are even talking about the Clippers, usually it’s all Lakers talk and before the trade they would talk about the Net sometimes too😂😂 The media doesn’t talk about Milwaukee, Denver, and Cleveland even though these are all Championship contender teams two of them having former MVP’s…

nah they have Sabonis they will win more games, Sabonis is the most important piece and the engine

He's no where near a superstar lol

​@Chris Simmons no he's not in the mvp race stop it lol

U realize that it’s virtually impossible to guard any player one v one because of the rules right? These constant rotations happen bc of the defensive rules. If Kawhi tries to handcheck any of these dudes they would get locked up most of the time. But since it’s not allowed, they can easily beat him with speed or get a fouled “drawned” on him. This is the biggest factor why perimeter players are seemingly so much “better”. These cats still shoot the 3 at 36-37% on par with most seasons in history. So their 3pt shooting hasn’t improved much apart from some outliers carrying that % this ridiculously high volume like Steph, Dame. Now take away those rotations by buffing perimeter D, then all this “superior” offense this biased dude talked about wouldn’t be occurring. Teams would be worrying about the 3 much less because u can have someone actually able to stay on ball at all times. Not to mention these dudes are tiny with barely any defensive centers on the floor, which increases layup %s, thus; opening up more 3s bc they have to overcompensate to guard the paint. The shot making when defense was played/contested shots was great, but it’s not like is an every game occurrence. This guy is using one anomaly game to prove his biased points as usual. Mf used a javalee clip to prove centers couldn’t dribble while ignoring players like Gasol (7”1) ran breaks by himself like a guard sometimes in 08-10. These 6”9 “Centers” like Bam would be power forwards AT Best in past eras. Ben Taylor has become a joke, i used to have respect for him until he started showing his true colors about a yr ago…

You'd genuinely need a team of 5 Miami Lebrons or Kevin Garnetts to be able to cover all the ground on rotations every play, all game from some of these teams and still have energy for offence

Same. Defenses have to work harder than ever. And they're given the least amount of legal tools to do it.

​@@johngriller4997 You are right. But, I've watched my fair share of basketball prior to the NBA-ABA merger and I've never seen so much movements off the ball. In 2004, we saw a lot of teams relying on hero ball actions and some teammates weren't even moving during some offense trips. Also, shooters are getting better. Just look at FT and 3PTS efficiency. It's off the chart.

@DazeOfNoah On the contrary. Offenses sells a lot. The NBA changed rules in 2004 for obvious reasons ($$$). Real fans like us were pleased, but the NBA wasn't a printing money like today. The NFL, the NHL and other sports shifted to offense because it sells. If people love defensive juggernauts and used their wallets in that way, the NBA will make changes to please those fans.

That's cause Curry is actaully one of the quickest players at the PG of all time. Quick like Mark Price and Tim Hardaway. Then they have Thompson who's rather quick and he's 6'7 at the SG. He's one of the biggest and more Athletic SG's of all time for 6'7. Quite the All Time Back Court.

It was actually Wiggins defense and Draymond who slowed a lot Tatum and Brown.

@callmecatalystDidn't know I needed to do a book report on the Warriors. Yes they have had other All Stars like Iggy, Green, Durant, West and many others for the inside game.

@@silomonptolomeo3759 Fair enough

@@silomonptolomeo3759 Yes but they also have a great defensive backcourt the lie that Curry isn't a top guard defenders is just that a lie.

M0r0n

@@tboss8157 get lost kid

The amount of uncontested shots in this game are just as gross tbh

Australia?

top ten MAYBE. the field is just so stacked. It's also debatable whether or not he is the best player on his team.

@@simonnash4201 this has to be a joke

Well you can’t really do that when the other team would just keep their two big guys in the lane and then there’s not enough room. There were no big men that provided spacing so even if they sat on the 3 point line their defenders would just stay in the lane and stop bron

@@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx If they did that Lebron could just pass it out, they would give up so many wide open threes

@@fetti22 reading comprehension bro

@@fetti22 the players miss wide open shots

Such a shame the Cavs couldn't put more beside young Bron. Watching him 08-10 was just insane but he never had a chance to win a title without anyone else to rely on.

I did not like that game because we lost lol but thanks for the recognition!

even that will only really help bad drop defenders. when a team has a complete non-shooter guys like brook or jjj will just sit in the lane and dance around or tap guys to "cleanse". really the biggest thing is how much offensive players are rewarded for initiating contact, but i don't think giving less foul calls on drives would make for a better product bc then guys would kick it out even more and even more of scoring would be dominated by 3s. hell, apart from getting rid of take fouls all the changes in the last few years have helped defenders (less grifting for fouls, actually calling travels) and offense continues to get better

i disagree, the defensive 3 sec is one of the best rules at creating good gameplay; including heroics on defence (steals and blocks). i’m sure there are coaches who will find a fix. The guidelines of calling defensive fouls are already shifting back a bit and that should allow good defenders to attempt more steals.

Nah it was on ESPN OKC vs Phoenix which was a travesty. Should’ve been this game instead lol

this very moment was bad defense/coaching by Ty Lou in the time-out: Kahwi had to foul behind/under the basket taking away the 3pt opportunity because of the free throws and only 2 seconds left to play.

There was also a stubborn idea of building an offense around ISO scorers even around that time. Kobe really was one of the few you could build around and he wouldn't get that support to chase rings until late 2000s. Spurs lucked out getting the right kind generation talent who can dominate the interior on both ends of the floor so they ran the West in the 2000s for the most part. They came up short in some situations due to lack of help in key areas like depth and perimeter talent to handle certain match ups. All that wouldn't change until the early 2010s where teams/coaching would evaluate spacing a lot more differently with talents like Lebron who was the quintessential drive-kick MVP. And the capacity of what a wing role player could be in the regular season.

What 05 rule change?

@ss kisser

But what can they do say there needs to be less spacing

What can they realistically do though? Allow you to get underneath shooters? Well that’s just a recipe for so many rolled ankles. Handchecking? I mean sure, that would slow players down a bit, but how does that stop defensive breakdowns off-ball due to all the shooting talent? I predict this offensive surge will continue to happen until the league is saturated with tall, lengthy, switchable defenders like AD, Bam, JJJ, Vanderbilt, etc. who can cover all this ground that there is now.

@@kendrickjenkins96 biggest thing is probably moving screens, if they can make the pick and roll easier to guard by limiting what the screener can do it would eliminate alot of breakdowns, also you gotta completely eliminate rewarding flopping, just don't call anything most of the time and players will stop doing it.

Yea, the NBA could bring back hand checking which would reduce scoring but the league does not want to do that. Most fans (who are usually casuals) like high scoring games.

@@akeemwilliams4971 Oh yeah, cutting down on moving screens is a big one for sure.

True! We should be able to zone. We are seeing zones FIBA and NCAA... but it is illegal in the NBA since 1947. Why?

Also The NBA should also consider moving the shotclock to 28 seconds and 20 seconds after a rebound This would allow The Players Too have More time so they can set up higher % shots. Cause there is nothing worse than seeing a game where the teams are 7-38 on Threes Cause they seem the act like they only have a few seconds to shoot. Also go back to 10 seconds in the back court. Cause sometimes if Entertaining to Watch a Team the Back Court . Really spread it out and set up plays from The Back Court. Also the NBA should think about doing away with the corner threes. It's boring to watch players stand in the corner. Push the 3 point line back 1'1/2 feet. Tighten the Rims and put them at 10'1" Like they were in the 1990's. Make the Free Throw line 15 feet from the rim. Make the Lane rule 10 seconds in the lane. Allow Zone Defense of Any Kind.

True. I think they should get rid of the shot clock violation where the opposition attains the ball instead of play stoppage. It ruins a lot of potential fast breaks and exciting plays.

@@vinnycapri They already did that a long time ago like 12 years ago. So if the shot clock goes off but the other team has the ball then there is no stop in play.

@@JimBrave-vi9ji yeah they need to bring it back.

Yeah offense is too good nowadays. Centers and PF should not have a 3 point bag in there arsenal. It’s horrifying to see. Defense is just hoping the other team misses

Teams need to develop zone defenses and NBA needs to remove defensive 3 seconds.

Actually I’d say the fact that illegal defense no longer exists helps the defense DRAMATICALLY. That’s why scoring went down in the early 2000s and didn’t jump back up until the league finally adjusted and spaced out

Zone defense used to be illegal. That’s a big benefit for todays defenses compared to the 90s

Thanks so much. Appreciate that.

If the rule changes and rule enforcement make it harder to play D, than isn't it true that today's players can't play as good defense as in the past? Not because the players don't have the ability but because those changes were meant to make it harder to play D.

So what about the countless clips I've seen of players playing no D at all. Making no effort at all. I watch games and see it all the time. Go to 6:20 of this video and look at how pathetic that is by Paul George. A reach and then just stand there. Doesn't fully rotate over to stop the ball and even if he had he's still so close to Fox he can easily get back. Instead a half ass reach and stop moving. Somehow this is defense? 9:10 is another example. Yes I know he's showing how big men have to cover more ground. But Jokic makes a half ass reach as the guy drives by him and scores. Watch Jokic. Reach and stops moving. I've never seen such low effort. Defense is all about effort, it's literally part of what makes most good defensive players good defensive players.

​@@roboninja3194 my dude, jokic is not a great defender like that,jokic is literally know for being slow and he got blitzed by a faster player,PG was literally guarding him and his teamate for a quick second and alot of players do a reach in and stand there(like micheal jordan,kobe Bryant and even gary payton sometimes)

​@@roboninja3194 just cause you've seen clips doesn't mean they don't play defense the WHOLE GAME(watch the games man)

When a game ends overtime or not with a team scoring 175 points ... Defense was not being played

Players are harder to guard now than any other era because calls favor the offense and there is no hand checking. When a team plays good defense the player gets a gift superstar call anyway to keep the scoring higher. Numbers are being artificially inflated by design.

@@theretrosavage bro didnt watch the video

I agree, sure maybe refs was a little bit tougher but the defence was basically the same, maybe worse when the NBA removed zone defence for awhile

No. M0r0n

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Absolutely

@@matthieusaade3616 shooting revolution and the high level defence scheme that warriors run

Yup. Can't beat the Warriors unless you have an all-time center like Shaq or Hakeem to destroy their rim. Either that or play switch all and hope to shoot more 3's against them ala the Rockets. It almost worked, until it didn't

Gotta love warriors fans - they watch a video about two other teams and make it all about theirs. I love steph and klay and Kerr as much as the next guy, but man the fans make it hard to root for them!

M0r0n

Why do people complain about an exhibition game? Who cares? No one is going to try because players are worth too much money now to risk injury in a meaningless game in the middle of the season. When stars are getting paid upwards of 45m a season no one will ever try.

@@LeominsterFC He wasnt complaining about the all star game, he was just trying to demonstrate the clear difference between bad defense and good defense in todays game

Clip at 5:53

Good 3 point shooting BY BIGS. That's what effectively doubles the area for defenses to cover.

They've Made it Easier with rules and changes to the other parts of the Game.

You put the 1988 Detroit Pistons here right now and they'd Shut everyone down to 90 points. Rodman today would probly average around 2 Steals 1.5 blocks 22 Rebounds 10 points 2 Assists

Exactly people acted like there was no defense, when so many contested shots made.

​@@JimBrave-vi9ji no. Not with the current rules. The only reason why they beaten the Bulls is because they just started commiting flagrant fouls which was just a plain foul back then. They got cooked by MJ when they played it straight in the first game, then they just said F it, and started to basically throw MJ to the ground everytime he went up for a lay up.

THere was never a time where perfect defense has been able to stop perfect offense. Perfect offense will always find a way to score while the perfect defense can only react to the perfect offense. No matter how good you are at defending, perfect offense can shoot with uncomfortable shooting motion but if perfect defense isn't comfortable, it isn't stopping perfect offense. Perfect defense can at most, make it difficult for the offense and it has always been that way even before the 3 point era

This is not true. Nobody could consistently stop Jordan (the offense) from dropping 50+ in the playoffs in the Bulls run in the 90s. Shaq+Kobe Lakers when they got rolling in the playoffs controlled the series especially with Shaq going 40pts/20rebs. The better offense with more dynamic ways to get a bucket puts more strain on how the defense should adapt. It is because the defense always plays out of principle and is ALWAYS a step behind. Sure the best defense can get stops for maybe 30~40 mins in a crucial game. Those last 8 minutes especially in the 4th may be enough for the offense to open things up and walk away with the W in the end.

Hand checking is terrible defense and easy to beat

bad defence? how? players now are more skilled defensively than any other time in Nba HISTORY!

@@GlizzySan how else can the defense get a boost? les foul calls? I’m just throwing ideas out there

@@dimelo58 imma be honest there ain’t really anything they can do, honestly there isn’t really a problem with defense during the playoffs

@@GlizzySan there’s always something start with the hand checking and what kinds of plays are fouls could always be changed

you see this with jokic. guys get so many easy looks off handoffs from him. if you overplay the handoff. since he tends to set these at the nail sometimes he'll just take it himself to the rim if they overplay the handoff

Yeah "defense" was being played

There is skill yes, but there are, as well, loose carries, loose travels, moving screens, stepbacks, no handcheck, 3s in the paint, foul even if offense initiates the contact...All those things which have changed in the last 20 years or so favor offense. I think carries, moving screens and foul even if offense initiates contact are the worst to defend.

@@20dieux i think the “carries” aren’t that bad there are some examples more egregious than others but i do agree about the fouls i feel like basketball hasn’t mastered its contact rules yet. The travels and etc are jus bad officiating has nothing to do with rule book and you can see examples of this wayyyy before now i mean every sport has bad refs really no controlling it

Yeah you have no idea about the 90s so shutup and quit pretending like you know what you're yapping about kid

Nothing more predicable than watching a million threes launched up. 1d1ot

nah old heads dont get it

They just mad and salty

You’re calling him ugly? Lol

M0r0n

I admit I am an old timer. I still can’t believe the traveling allowed, for the euro stepsssssss.

I think you have to watch up to some point before it can be counted as a view but a like is counted very first second

Feels about right haha

it would still happen trust. Maybe not as much but the offensive sets theyre running nowadays combined with 3 pt shootinh makes it basicly unguardable hand checking or not

Defenses are less restricted by the rules in several important ways than they were back in the 90s. The old illegal defense rules allowed for iso-ball that you can't pull off any more.

So you didn’t watch the video or you need a new pair of glasses ?

So bad defense. Got it