...or those lucky 2 whose swimming skills apparently matched or exceeded their skydiving skills.

Final Destination though...

Survivor's guilt, most likely

They were picked up by a passing boat@@roberthagedorn290

they died trying to do something that tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of peope have done. what was the point? you're not inventing something new, the risk is not worth it at all

Which can also be confusing. When I used to skydive in Idaho, I had a buddy of mine on a jump run that I wasn't on, and they would fly out over this reservoir to gain altitude then head back towards the airport.... They were right near the edge of the res and dude opened the door to get some cool air in the cabin cuz it was like 100F on the ground and pilot said, 'NO NO NO" which, due to the noise of the wind and the plane, my buddy thought he said 'GO GO GO" so he just bailed out without even looking for himself. DOH! Fortunately, they weren't quite yet over water and he ended up landing safely in a field, about 5 miles away from the airport. DOH!

It's a shame the pilot that was involved in Kobe Bryant's death didn't have that courage.

Anyone of them should have had the authority to abort. Can't see land. Abort. Not sure? Abort. Actually if they had an abort plan this never would have been allowed. I don't sky dive, but I worked in dangerous situations in offshore oil. Hopefully lives were saved by the lessons learned here.

Bingo. Peer pressure is enormous. Look at the billions persuaded to take a dangerous injection.

@@bobgillis1137 And the millions who died because they believed the lies propagated by kooks.

I'm just amazed that none of them thought maybe we need to shed our gear before we hit that water so we don't drown! I mean they deployed the chutes at 3,000 feet. At a decent rate from there of 1,000 feet/minutes that's 3 minutes to plan for a water landing.

@@MadFox-jr6by I don't even want to think what was in their mind and soul..

It's a good lesson to help the rest of us. When you are stressed out, panic will not help. Control your breathing, think about the problem. So many people have no idea how to react when the encounter something unexpected and terrifying. @@cocobau

well no shiet sherlock, were you in their shoes?

​@@MadFox-jr6byyep exactly, so many mistakes unbelievable

I'm guessing income had a lot to do with it, perhaps the pilot was under pressure to provide sucdessful jumps? Honestly I have no idea, It just doesn't make any sense to me

If you give jumpers the option to leave, they will. Regardless of wx conditions, they'll happily jump right out.

Are you saying you have never heard of a sky diving operation dropping (customers) thru clouds ?

@@alanaldpal950 If he/she hasn't, then he/she isn't a skydiver😔

Pilot here. Blaming the parachutists here does not sit well with me. The pilot knew that his rules are written in blood, and yet he violated them anyway. He should have been criminally prosecuted for 16 counts of homicide.

Mine too!

My dad was out getting milk.

My dad was probably humping mom according to my age. I have to ask mom, though, since my dad died humping my mom's other brother

my dad was the boat

My dad made sure the drain plug was in the boat

Good trollin' on his part, daily laugh.

the jumpers were negligent as well, jumping into clouds without visual references

The air traffic controler mistakenly confused the jump plane, (a B 25 not a DC 3), with another plane that was flying near the DZ and radioed the pilot of the jump plane to tell the jumpers to exit. Both the pilot and the air controller lost their licenses.

Humanity is peppered with red flags.

It’s probably an insanely cathartic and exhilarating experience but no way in hell I’m ever doing that. I’m good on the ground thanks. Even being out in the ocean terrifies me

Not everyone enjoys fun the same way, it's okay. But IYKYK

Neither did I till I tried it .. best experience of my life ..

Nor me.

It's one of those dumb things like mountain climbing.

I'm a bit confused as to how/why they all drowned. Were they all unable to cutaway and remove their harness in the water?

@@pennyether8433 They were miles out into the water, and while the video doesn't mention the conditions, they could have been pretty bad.

@@pennyether8433 One jumper couldn’t swim. They were 4-5 nautical miles offshore with heavy boots and clothing. Some were pulled under before they could shed their gear and clothing. They also didn’t know exactly where the jumpers landed, so searching was not pinpointed or immediate.

this is stupid

Technically they were not dropped over water, they jumped of their own volition. Remember these were all experienced sky divers who would be aware of a prohibition on jumping through clouds. Had they heeded that basic guide none would have jumped.all would have lived. While ATC and the pilot both made huge mistakes ultimately the jumpers themselves made the choice to jump.

they dont know you

@@theghostoftravel and it was 1967

i give a high 5 to charles darwin's spirit

​@@theghostoftravelBelieve it or not sometimes saying the right thing is appropriate

If you want to swim, you have to get out of the boat, if you want to fly you have to get out of the airplane. In other words, if you have never jumped, I can't explain it to you, and you could never understand.

It's pretty fun. And pretty safe. I don't do it often and i certainly wouldn't do it with 16 people.

I'm a pilot as well, I run my own cockpit.

​@@billsanders5067That has got to be the stupidest explanation I have ever heard... That's like saying if you truly want to drive get out of your car and jump on the hood while going down the freeway

*adrenaline junkies*

jumping from a perfectly good plane outside of war time is darwnism.

Skydiving is a sport thousands of people all over the world enjoy. Thousands of jumps a year are concluded with no serious accidents. And the UK's paratroopers do it all the time as military exercise. I fail to see what "darwnism" has to do with it.@@cagneybillingsley2165

​@@cagneybillingsley2165speaking the truth

​@@cagneybillingsley2165no it isn't.

​@@cagneybillingsley2165There is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane.

You are much smarter than this moron that was flying these poor souls

The ATC mistakenly identified the jump plane that was several miles outta over the lake with another plane flying near the DZ.

@keithhendrickson8522: All well and good [ IF ] equipment is functional. The over reliance on avionics has made the skilled navigator an endangered species. Left in the lurch one hot summer day (1960's) when my Omni took a dump, ground haze with smoke from brush fires obliterated any VFR checkpoints, conditions were borderline at best for a student pilot and I should have waited for a better day. Radio was functional, with the help of Atlanta Terminal Radar, North Sector, I was vectored back to PDK Airport. My C150 had no IFR capability so the controller had me fly some turns to ID my aircraft and position. I learned: 1- As soon as departure would allow check your NAV equipment for functionality BEFORE leaving your area NOT later enroute. 2-On borderline days for VFR, wait until another day. 3- Never trust totally any electrical powered device without a backup plan. Digression: years later I became an Industrial Electrician and put groceries on the table repairing and maintaining production machinery, some electronics have gremlins that take delight in ruining your plans. 4-A fully functional navigator aboard could have, in all probability, prevented the above. While VFR checkpoints were lacking, a close approximation can be determined. WWII Navigators in B-17's with primitive equipment flying above cloud cover over Germany, sometimes DR was their only method for a MPP (most probable Position). A trained navigator may well have prevented AA-Flight 965 tragedy. To turn your navigation over to a miserable computer, to alter course radically ?? (unless directed by the controlling agency). when your ck points have resulted in a good fix that coincides with your ETA's demonstrates a mindset that is complacent and disengaged from reality. With the luxury of VOR-DME I may hear.. " three-three-bravo say position".. " FIVE-ZERO- nautical on the two-two-five" ( VOR ID) three-three-bravo." wonderful. But you had better have a backup plan for your Nav. and from speed, time, and direction to know your MPP.

Only the dead would place their lives in the hand of an electronic device. GPS or ADS-B, If you can not see the ground, do not jump.

@@justanotherguy469 Every time you fly on an airline you place you're life in the hands of people who quite often can't see where they're going, and are navigating solely by means of GPS and electronic navigation.

Fault is proper to see the 1. Jump master 2. Illegal Ways the pilot error numskull.

Was it not a Chinook that had to make an emergency landing when American diplomats were held hostage. I think it was found that one part was a fake

Ground-up walnut shells used clean out hydraulic passages was what I read.

And the tower who told they were somewhere other than over water.

@@macforme Both are criminally negligent , pull both their licences .

@@bitrhbj56 makes sense.... they are doing jobs where lives depend on them.

May be he couldn't care less at all!

Oh...

So you're not going to tell the actual story of what happened??

​@@meghanmisaliarFigure it out.

That's what I was thinking, or at least the name of the air show. @@meghanmisaliar

Details, @cuchi?

Apparently in the UK that rule would mean you practically never skydive, I heard. So it's not such a hard and fast rule.

no reason to skydive period

You could have stopped at the word "skydive". Here I'll fix it for you. "There are multiple reasons you shouldn't skydive".

You had me at the first sentence.

​@@904Anonymous❤

1945

It's Not A Mitchell In This Video!!!

The FFA pulled the licenses of the pilot and the ATC.

Oh. Interesting. Thx :)@@billsanders5067

Their guilty conscience would have traumatized them more .

I think he just forgot them. He seemed to not be the prepared type.

The ATC mistakenly identified a plane flying near the DZ with the jump plane that was several miles out over the lake.

There is a speaker in the cockpit, and a hand mic. We all use headsets anymore.

I'm pulling a Krammer, "I'm out."

Gear didnt kill them the cold water did.

It's far safer than you realize. I've had ONE minor injury in 15 years of it.

Reading the Wikipedia article it seems the government was sued for the error of the ATC, but the pilot had a wavier signed by the jumpers and the parachutists were determined to not have "contributory negligence" because prohibitions against jumping through clouds were intended to protect people on the ground, not the people jumping. So the only person held responsible for their actions was the ATC.

Mrs. Inky Sez "Enemy cat!!! fight fight fight!!!"

There was a lot that went wrong here….

When the story got as far as - 2 planes, 18 jumpers, almost no communications, too much cloud cover, no real plan for contingencies, I thought, how many things could go wrong here? The responsibility was on everyone involved. Those were the early, rogue days of skydiving.

Yes such a stupid title.....

It was different for me. Flew for 25 years, then skydived. Several hundred jumps later, gave up on my pilots license renewal. Just didn’t feel fun anymore after learning to skydive. Skydiving to me is the most fundamental form of flight, and the canopy ride ain’t bad either!

I don't think you understand what a mistake is. A deliberate decision can certainly be a mistake.

A mistake is 2+2=5. They made a CHOICE - a DELIBERATE decision.

i agree with @prasad530 - i think you mean that is wasn't accidental - they made the made an error in judgement and decided to jump anyway

The description says a B-25 WW2 bomber, but the video shows a DC-3 airliner

@@snotnosewilly99 and the video says it's not the right plane.

Because the aircraft that we jumped from was never a "perfectly good airplane"...

Why anyone would willingly sit on a motorcycle without any safety when he can drive a car is beyond my comprehension... Skydiver AND pilot here. Your comment is so old that it has a beard ten miles long.

@@herrunbekannt7556 I agree. Motorcycle riders without protective gear and the need for speed are just as stupid as air jumping thrill seekers. I mean people die all the time but thrill seekers shouldn't be mourned at all. And how does one compare people jumping out of planes to people who decide to use motorcycles instead of cars? What the alternative to jumping out of an airplane?

He mentions that it wasn't the real plane near the beginning.

A B-25 was used as a Camera Platform for the filming of Battle of Britain (1969)

I caught that as well.

Glad I found yours before replying. My Dad flew DC-3s and that ain’t no B-25, my goodness, like no one would notice the difference.

@jeffhale2982 I've Been Arguing With A Guy About This Very Subject!!! There Is NO B25 In This Video!!! The Thumbnail Is A DC3 And The Plane The People Are Jumping Out Of Is WAY To Short Plus Has A Tail Wheel!!! The B25 Has Tricycle Gear!!! Like You Said, As If We Wouldn't Know The Difference!!! Glad Someone Else Has A Brain!!!

@@rockerpat1085 C-57s in WWII, right? My Dad flew A-20s, A-26s and B-26s in the war, then DC-3s in the 1950s out of Tyndall AFB, Florida. Always said the DC-3 “Gooney Bird” was his favorite plane to fly. “Military version of the B-25?” There was no other version! Someone’s a little mixed up.

Not the same thing but speaking of pilot ego, it was precisely that in my opinion that caused the Tenerife disaster in 1977. The actions of the KLM pilot were morally reprehensible.

My two are like yours falling from a great height or drowning

Thanks for this as I was wondering why so many drowned. I have no experience or knowledge on this whats so ever, but I was wondering why they couldn't come out from under their shoots...

The problem was not landing in the lake, it was the water temperature. They died due hypothermia.

@@24JJ821: The encumbrance was their soaked clothing and harness.

How many times have you jumped yourself? Everything happens in split-seconds - getting rid of the parachute and the protective gear while you're in the water and soaked with the strings wrapped around is a nightmare. Even though these were experienced divers this was the first time in water which they were not prepared for . The lucky two were rescued by a passing boat .

@jkardez4794 You are obviously what sky divers refere to as a whoofo. Parachutes do not have "strings", if you are going to make connents about something you do not know diddly squat about, perhaps you should think about the advice of keeping your mouth shut and letting people speculate as to whether or not you are a total moron instead of talking and removing any and all doubt. Futher more, why do you make the assumption that none of the jumpers had never made a water jump? I made several intentional water jumps, when this accident occurred an intentional water jump was one of the requirements to obtain a USPA D license.

A summer job packing parachutes? I thought that all sky divers traditionally insisted on doing it themselves, since their life would actually depend on it.

@@SofaKingShit If you run the numbers then you would have way more success with professionals packing rather than someone who had just learnt it in a class.

"Summer JOB!?" what?... Im sorry but um idk man

@@SofaKingShit the majority of the packing they do are for the Tandem Jumps and the Students learning to skydive. Pro Skydivers pay the packers to pack their chutes because doing it 10 times a day works the knees. The Packers do it all day everyday so they more than likely to pack a parachute better than most people and quicker.

I'm calling BS here. A "summer job packing parachutes". Riiiiight.

I had a few jumps under my belt when I moved out west and considered resuming. I contacted various skydiving outfits. While I was speaking with one guy, I asked him if his outfit was the one that had several fatalities in separate circumstances. He admitted it, but blamed the first jumpers ! Some people are just criminally delusional.

This happened in 1967. They're probably dead by now.

I'm not dead and I was there.***************** @@dukeford

Seven on the come out roll!

You can say the same thing about driving on the freeway

Yea you can and you will, until you become an adult.

@@TheIronDuke9 Um no. As a drive on the freeway is usually a necessity. I don't drive on the freeway for a 'thrill'. "Think before you type." Words to live by.

You're still rolling the dice, for thrill or not, everything is a choice@@SultanKhan66

they splashed in ok, but the weight of their gear dragged them down very quickly. The two who were saved managed to remove most of the gear and they were able to float.

​@@adotintheshark4848 I'm not a skydiver. What gear would cause them to sink that fast? I realize the chute is bulky but didn't they have a quick release back then?

Yep. The "horrible feeling" would have been "I know better than to jump INTO clouds....period." Everyone gets some blame on this one: the pilot, ATC, and the jumpers.

it wasnt the pilot's fault, it was the ATC mistaking the cessna plane to be the B-25

@@ItzLuzTheUltima WRONG - it is against safety rules for a pilot to allow jumpers to go when the ground is not visible, and that is the main reason for the deaths, and this rule is in place to be the most important and final safety check, in case there are other "errors" before the jump. The pilot did not obey this rule, and had he done his duty (as required) the skydivers would not have died. Also, it's against safety rules for skydivers to jump when the ground isn't visible, so they were negligent too, and I think they (really) were fools and killed themselves by jumping.

Use to fly a few planes for a drop zone no one out of my plane without know exactly where we were over the drop, so what should his case was an airport? good size one at that what were the winds on the ground? Calling ATC saying at 12 five about to let jumpers out and wait for positive response The 12 five we’re in a positive control air space for a major airport where I lived so they did know what we where about to do but the end of the day it’s the pilots responsibility

The FFA pulled the licenses of both the pilot and the ATC.

Jump pilots are known to get "subtle" pressure to bend the rules and do what they don't want to do.

My question also

The two that survived managed to jettison some of the heavier elements of their rig ... boots, helmet, gloves, jumpsuits. Conditions were said to be very cold in the water, and, of course, without life vests they would have quickly been overcome with fatigue and hypothermia as they attempted to tread water. Terrible.

Good question. It was late August and Lake Erie is pretty warm then. Maybe they got smothered under their parachutes.

@@t.p.mckenna source?

There were small craft warnings out as there was a storm brewing. The lake had four foot breakers.

parachutes are heavy. if they didn't get free and clear of the chute immediately upon reaching the water, they would sink with it.

​@adrianmizen5070 They exited the aircraft several miles from shore and there was none one to call for help. Most likely the died due to hyperthermia.

@@billsanders5067 that could definitely be the case too if it were cold weather. i wonder how long it would have taken search & rescue to find them

@adrianmizen5070 If I recall there was an organized search conducted. The problem was no one knew that there was a problem until none of the jumpers landed on the DZ. Also the pilot could not have been sure about exactly were the jumpers exited the jump plane.

Many could swim but there was four foot breakers. Small craft warnings out. Treading water wouldn't for long.

I actually find it more amazing that all the others died. Why? In a not-freezing lake.

@@charlesmiller3278 In heavy gear attached to a parachute. Would have sunk like stones.

​@@margeebechyne8642Yep, nowadays on some drop zones near big water you have to wear a swim west. And nowadays the the gears are not that heavy as in former days.

Five miles from shore is a long swim

@@bobcoy2074 I imagine they used Butterfly swimming stroke, which is notorious for inducing rapid fatigue. Probably should have tried back-stroke instead.

Umm nobody has to do it the way you want, you have no control over how content creators create content.

@@starstatusvillarreal3747 get a dictionary and look up the word "suggestion" and then argue with the wall about it

The channel tried it once but it ended up feeling awkward and many didnt like it so he returned to the original version (this)

It's a lot safer than you think. I've been injured many more times skiing than in 15 years of jumping. Odds of you getting killed jumping are about 1 in 145,000. Safer than riding in a car.

Don't worry you will never ever jump out of a perfectly good airplane, there is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane.

The good old Swiss Cheese model..

Ninety percent of this accident was due to the mistake on the part of the ATC. The plane actually made two jump runs. One jumper exited on the the first jump run and landed on the DZ.

True but this was human error.

​@@danpatterson8009 And plain thoughtlessness. The Cessna and B-25 could have communicated by radio, for one thing. The controller going off shift could have told his relief, "don't mix up these planes, there's one full of skydivers and they HAVE to reach their drop zone."

Back in 10,000BC the internet didn't exist unlike today.

Safety should always be number 1!

None Of The Planes In This Video Are B-25s!!!

He mentions that it wasn't the real plane near the beginning.

@@hadassahsoddsandends Thx, I missed that.

BFD

They all made mistakes including the jumpers.

@@SultanKhan66indeed but they didnt all die for them

@@lolabellacat299- the jumpers knew they were the ones most at risk of death

@@johneyon5257 yes im sure they did...but they didnt cause it ..someone else did

@@lolabellacat299 - you seem to want to avoid accepting what other posters are saying here - the jumpers DID CAUSE their deaths by jumping - despite skydiving protocol saying they shouldn't - if anyone said "i shouldn't jump when i can't see the ground" - that person would have made down alive - the cause-effect linkage is pretty clear

How did you get a great job?!

The pilot forgetting his earphones in no way was a contributing factor in the cause of this accident.

@@billsanders5067 Didn't say it was. Did say it would not instill any confidence in me about the pilot, though. Isn't that a bit like an astronaut forgetting a helmet? Or a police officer forgetting his badge or uniform or service weapon? Or, oh, I don't know, a pilot forgetting his headphones? Did he remember his wallet? Did he forget his glasses? Did he remember to put new batteries in his pacemaker? Did he at least remember to set the mixture after lifting off or was that still set rich? How long until he forgets to put the landing gear down on approach? You know, there is a simple solution... he can keep the headphones ON THE PLANE like most pilots and plane owner/pilots do. Not like he's flying different jumbo jets around the world and has to keep his own headphones in case there aren't a set on the plane already.

Indeed there were a number of contributing factors.

Some kid already did

@@maxsaviation9512 i hate these kids...

I wonder how did the state, Ohio, became a meme.

@@sunnyfon9065 same...

@@arthurmorais8911 i told one to kill themselves

To add to the confusion, Ohio, Iowa, and Idaho are actually one giant state.

ANY state is better than ❌ichigan!!! Facts!!

Then you've missed out on a lot of fun, and a wonderful world by letting fear rule your life. Granted, I'm not going to skydive, but I have traveled and flown a lot, and continue to do so. Very sad when fear cancels out sensible adventure.

@@donnabaardsen5372 I'm almost 50yrs old, I've traveled with my stepdad in his big rig growing up all over America and I've been on vacations all over America, I've traveled plenty, you don't have to fly to travel lol I would like to see Europe before I die but I still don't have to fly I can easily take a cruise ship. I'm not knocking people for flying don't get me wrong, It's a fact it's safer than traveling in a vehicle but I'm scared of heights so it's a big HELL NO for me!!! 😂🤣

There is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane

I haven’t seen a perfectly good plane. I don’t think one exists.

He didn't charge them

As a skydiver I can tell you the we will lime up like lemmings inorder to.log a jump out af a unique aircraft, especially a war bird or helicopter.

He mentions that it wasn't the real plane near the beginning.

He did disclose that it was not the same plane depicted but I do not know why he does it that way sometimes? Why not just show the correct plane?

Same here...

He cracked open the champagne

That was an era when swimming is not a thing...i guess

Former german skydiver here (and now pilot). To get rid of your main over water can cause that you are to high, because you cannot estimate your altitude properly over water without references. It is hard to do that above a big meadow without trees or bushes on the side, above water it is impossible. Next thing, when you do it properly the chute is still above you and coming down around you. Best way not to get drown: avoid (deep) water during skydive. 🤷🏿‍♂️ And in the water get rid of the gear with all the panik inside? Ouch! There is a reason why everyone drowned...

The lake had a four foot chop so even if your a decent swimmer your not going to last long. Also hardly any boats were still out because small craft warnings were out.

So stupid words! The most people die in a bed! Also car driving, swimming, etc. is not without risk!

@@gelberalterdoppeldecker7142 I might die this ways but I won’t die jumping out of a plane

@@gelberalterdoppeldecker7142 I bet their families don’t think my post was stupid. They mostly likely would still be here enjoying life with family if they would’ve never jumped out that plane

@@MrDereklewis1985 The odds of getting killed skydiving are about 1 in 145,000. About 38,000 die every year in cars in the US. Bet you still drive a car. Annual jumping fatalities run around 15 or 20 depending on the year.