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Bill.... you don't have to go home, but you do gotta go.

If Jerry could chase off Jimmy Johnson immediately after two super bowls and the Bulls chase off Phil Jackson immediately after six championships...no coaching position is safe.

Personally, I think Robert Kraft should talk the Belichick when the season is over and tell him that he can still be the head coach but he will no longer be in charge as GM.

Kraft shoulda used Belichick's philosophy against him, get rid of em a year or two early, rather than a year or two late 😂

I absolutely cannot believe this conversation

Treat Belichick how he treated Randy Moss, Wes Welker, he tried to trade Gronk, and he tried to trade Tom Brady to start Jimmy G, then he actually forced Tom out. Bill is the luckiest coach of all time

Belichick needs to thank two people for his success: Lawrence Taylor and Tom Brady. I think this should make people appreciate Shula's greatness even more. He may not have won as many Super Bowls but he adapted to the times and lasted for so long with competitive teams and so few losing seasons. This guy can't even last without Brady!

Joy is right. Yes having difficult conversations is rough. But look at the Lakers. The Buss family, is an ACTUAL family. Jim Buss, was fired as head of basketball operations of the Lakers. Official public statement said it was a "step down" but everyone was calling for it. Then Jeannie took over and started to turn the team around.

The problem isn't his coaching, it's his drafting and free agent moves

Joy looks amazing!! She’s definitely taking care of herself.

Tom Brady was New England. Players make the coach!

No one has mentioned the true history of the fact that Belechick wanted to move on from Brady as early as 2015 - drafted Jimmy G the year before and even benched Brady for Garapolo - everyone thought it was the end of the era - everyone said Tom was too Old - past his prime - Belechick would have us believe it because he the greatest coach ever a football genius right? That’s what everyone was saying … all Tom wanted to do was finish out his career in NE get a long term contract but Belechick said no - just 1 year deals- he was ready to move on - meanwhile Brady kept taking them to SB after SB - finally Tom probably just had enough - parted ways - and got that commitment from the Bucs - who weren’t even his first choice - he could’ve went anywhere- but everyone thought the success was all Belechick. Even the analysts - meanwhile Belechick signs a has been Cam Newton who is just a showboat and cooked - Mranwhile Tom takes Tampa to the Super Bowl and in his 2nd year comes back to Foxborough and beats the Patriots AND again in his 2 nd yr at Tampa comes a game away from the conference championship - drives his team down with like a minute left to tie it up vs the Rams - if it wasn’t for the coaching Bungling the D - and of course if Antonio Brown hadn’t gone off the deep end that year and walked off - Tampa would had back 2 back for sure for sure for sure - it would been amazing he would have played vs the 49rs and Jimmy G and would’ve beat the day lights out of them and then walked off into the sunset - either way Belechick took way too much credit - he’s feeling the heat now - and you know Tom - so much the professional and gentleman to ever say - is sheepishly grinning or should I say GOAT grinning

Did it ever occur to you that Mr. Kraft doesn't think Belichick was such an important piece in Pats dynasty? Otherwise, no way would he not invite Belichick to his wedding.

LeSean wants to call Belichick average but glowingly talk about Andy like he won Super Bowls before Patrick Mahomes

The Great Tom Landry went through it as well.

Love this show.

Kraft HAS been patient, but Belichick was on borrowed time the moment he pushed Brady out the door and down to Tampa. And honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised Kraft gave Belichick a deadline the moment Brady hoisted that Lombardi with the Bucs. Belichick gots to be done after this year. Only pushback I’ll give is… I can see Kraft giving him the opportunity to step down as GM before he takes the decision away from him.

The only reason I would want to keep him, is that he is so close to the all time wins record(18 more). But at this pace, 18 wins is looking so far away

You know what i just thought About? What if Kraft is sayin to bill... You gave me 6 I'll give you 6. We already at 4 anyway

Joy with the sneaky Acho reference to his series Uncomfortable Conversations

A one-year grace period is crazy lol... yes Belichick has had more but Joy said generally one year

Seems that Joy is forgetting one important thing: Mike Tomlin and Pete Carroll aren't the GM's of their respective football teams.

Bill tried to move on from Tom brady when he had Jimmy G but Kraft interfered so he deserves more time … he needs to bring a offensive mind in tho …

Isn’t bill the same coach he’s always been? What had he changed? The game has changed, but he’s always adjusted his game plan to showcase the talent of the players. No coach can be great without a great QB. These talking heads are just in their feelings about BB’s 20 years of excellence.

Robert Kraft is already 82, I think he doesn't want to be the one to fire Belichick, may be he is too soft to do it because of all the history. He is probably thinking of 2 things: 1) how many more years has he got? and 2) how many more years will Belichick continue to coach at 71? So, he is most likely waiting for Belichick to retire on his own accord. However, the problem is his sons are working there, so Belichick will probably want to be the HC for as long as he can and hopefully one of his sons could become the HC. If that is the case, Robert Kraft is probably thinking at 82 he won't have that many years left. He will just let Belichick carry on until he passes away, after that it will be up to his son Jonathan Kraft to do the deed or do whatever he sees fit. This is why you should never mix business with emotions. Some people can compartmentalize and handle it, others just can't.

The thing is when you fire someone the real question is who can you get that’s better and there’s nobody out there better and nobody in nfl history better and this is coming from a Bronco fam

RKK took over GM duties when Parcels was there. He needs to do that with BB. And if BB doesn’t like it (like Parcels did), then leave.

the debate was settled years ago

"They gon forget everything you did" lmao idk who you're speaking on I can never forget Bill Belichick head coaching for my 6x Super Bowl winner Patriots. Nobody worth thinking about in this instance would do that either imo.

He owns the cheese!

They think bill belichick is Eric Spoelstra

This is the best sports talk show on TV

Joy looking too fire to care if bill is getting fired

No matter what happens , this season should be the test of ability in the staff

I personally believe if Robert Kraft is approaching this. He is probably looking at the idea of removing Belichick from personnel decisions, and getting a GM with a VP in Football Operations. He will probably give it a years time after that. If Belichick is still not improving then he probably cuts bait with him.

Kraft and Bill gonna figure it out over a quick hand job, shakes hands, and sign the paperwork.

Yes Joy! “This is not a team that even operating under seriousness.”

He's not retiring anytime soon. He's he's only 30 wins away from the all time coaching wins record. He'll probably step down after he passes the record. Kraft owes him to continue to stay on until he passes the record.

Get'em Joy!!

Bill has a lifetime pass. Imagine the next coach that wins a single chip in Dallas now imagine if he won 2 or 3.

Bill had a great run give him the rest of this season then the Axe.

There’s coaches in this league than have done less and are still coaching falling short.

I heard before the season Kraft talked with Belichek and said if things aren’t successful this season he’s gone at head coach and will be offered a different position in front office other than GM. Dont know how valid that story is but i do believe Bill’s time is running out as HC in NE

Dont get me wrong Belichik should be on the hot seat like most coaches would be in this situation but it’s like people forget they made the playoffs in ‘21. The problem is Mac jones has regressed since then so I think he needs one last chance with a legit QB and if he fails then they should move on from him.

In the past 4 seasons three head coaches have won the Super Bowl. I understand that right now the Patriots look really bad but what have the other 29 coaches done in the last 4 years?

What if the patriots get the first pick , you not giving bill another chance with Caleb ?

Glad they said it. An average coach without TB. i used to think that BB made the team, no it was TB. Without Brady Billvis 50-50. I think if you add this season he is below 500

Its unfair for BB to be label as average when he is very old now, of course BB has lost some step. Can't say BB is below average and Brady deserved all the credit because BB provided Brady Top 10 defense year after year with the best salary cap situation to build a two decade dynasty... None of quarterbacks or organization enjoy such success, not only to keep Brady focus in winning championship. BB is almost 72, so it is unfair to berate him as a phony or below average because look at all the Patriots players once he sign off to other teams, they don't get better or produce, they always come back to BB to become successful again. BB is a has been but he was a great coach. Media just want the coverage of internal turmoil between BB and Robert Kraft.

I actually like this show Joy speaks facts

Bill would always say the team comes first, I'll make the decisions that are best for the team, it's time for Kraft to do what's best for the team.

Bill Belichick stays ❤ Ezekiel Elliott goes 😊. He needs to pass No. 1 in wins as NFL head coach!

Probably the most that I've agreed with Shady since he's been on the show

You can look at bill face during press conferences and interviews, that man don’t care no more. He is emotionless and I cannot imagine this man giving a speech to hype up his team. He is there to collect a check, you can look at his face in a press conference and see that he really don’t give af. He is and was an average coach . Tb12 was the reason they won like they did . Bill needs to go!! and I’m am not a patriots fan .

Kaft let Brady go when he was still productive and he should definitely let Belichick go with his non production.

Bill cut so many players when it was time for their big payday after them playing well for years.

i love Joy

Ok but are they firing him as the head coach or gm or as both?

Its funny so many people are after Bill's head because he has been doing poorly for 2 seasons (this and last). Remember they were 10-6 for macs first year. Did people ask for Pops (spurs coach) when he was doing poorly.

Business is NEVER personal. It's Wins vs Losses. It's NOT the coach, but the GM and talent evaluators have to be FIRED yesterday. I'm got two words: N'Keal Harry 👀🤔🤨

Show would be awesome without shady. Lol.. non of these guys talked about all the coaches last ten years without a playoff win record and they have lasted for years. lol.. shady bring up Andy Reid but even Andy has hall of farmers on offense and he only won 2 lol.. bb has 6. So Andy has had top offenses his entire coaching career with McNaab and maholmes and he couldn’t achieve what bill has accomplished. Brady never tackled, blocked, kicked or caught the ball. It was never 1v 11 lol

11:43 🤣

I predict Mac Jones will have yet another disastrous game that gets him for a third time and then he’ll have to be traded before the deadline. However, the moment that happens, we then see how successful Mac becomes after the trade. The more successful he is, the more likely Bill will be fired.

Really? Steelers have had only 3 head coaches since 1969.

Robert Kraft is an old-school self-made man, built his company from the ground up, he's also the type of boss who knows the first name of the janitor, treats his employees like family, values loyalty so I dont' think Bill will be fired, he'll be given a gracious way out, give a him a title "Senior Advisor" or whatever. Bob Kraft is NOT one of these Hedge Fund owners like Carolina, Washington DC, built their fortune on investing, those guys are ruthless, all about Winning, Bill hasn't done anything in 3 years, with his current record, he'd be fired in nano-second.

The problem is . Bill forced Tom out before building out the roster, if he had actually keep Tom. And filled out his roster, they’d be a lot more competitive right now

I like lady’s comparing bill with mike tomlin and p carel regarding how they adjust after hall of fame qb left.

If I'm the Patriots I'm trying to lose every single game so I can get Caleb Williams or Drake May. I'm also trying to trade some pieces this year so I can get into the top 15 to pick Marvin Harrison Jr and maybe some lineman.

Bill is fine as coach. Patriots wr can’t get separated and it is hurting Max Jones and their entire offense. You need players to win as coach and Bill needs better talent, they have not drafted a decent receiver in a long tine

Bill has never tanked the season for a high draft pick. Right now would be the perfect time they need a new mobile QB and a WR.

James Jones NAILED IT Your time is done and we will celebrate you in a while But not its time to go

I think he will need to move off him as GM first.

Football is a results business. The results just aren't good enough. Players get let go every day when they are not good enough any more. To me, Belichek was done the minute he made Matt Patricia an offensive coordinator. That would have been a fireable offense for ANY other coach. Why not him?

Bill should’ve went out on top but I get him wanting to break the all-time wins record.

So which one of them is hitting Joy

It seems to me that certain individuals on the show need to work on their grammar.

Shes a beast 💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽

Had Brady not been the backup for Drew Bledsoe, Belichek would of been gone decades ago.

Beli is tanking for Caleb Williams to come save his reputation.

12:35: Joy is a sad girl. "All things, all things come to an end". No, Joy. The love I get from my daughter, and the love I have for her, will never end. Start a family, Joy, you'll see.

He’s been coaching in the NFL for like 3 decades. He’s not growing as a person anymore. He’s still operating and treating players like it’s 2007. They respect what you’ve done but they don’t respect what you’re doing.

Why don't they say the same with Spurs' coach Gregg Popovich??? after the Big 3, there was no more success??

It's gonna be very weird to see any coach besides Belichick on the Patriots sideline...

Bill belichick brought him too many superbowl titles Patriots way become something it be wrong to fire him the spurs ownership havent fired there head coach how many playoff they been in since Kawhi left

LOL...FS1 shouldn't be too patient with this crew.

the hilarious part is, if these roles were flipped and Belichick was the owner and Kraft the HC, he would have fired Kraft the second they lost that first Giants Super Bowl in 07

What Kraft should've done is gotten rid of Belichick 4 years ago, instead of allowing Belichick to force Brady out of New England. Now he has to lay in the bed he made

Lol he only put them on the map with how many superbowls?

The Pats are giving up defensive TDs almost every game.

Craft should treat bill the same way bill has treated his players specially Tom …. Move on from them sooner rather than later…!!!! What was good for them should be good for bill…!!!!

Bill got something on Bobby I betchu. Kraft would've sent Bill out right behind Brady. Or maybe he would've kept Brady 🤔

Bill Belichicks greatest gift is his hubris and narcissism. He actually believed that he made Tom Brady. He actually believed that Tom Brady was a system quarterback. He actually believes that he's the greatest coach in NFL history. Penny, for your thoughts, Bill, you aren't 😂😂😂

I really wish that the producers would let each person as they do instead of making all of them trying to sound hood.

DO HIM LIKE THEY DID BRADY!!!!!

No yall....Robert listen.. you let Bill stay as long as he wants I'm having a great season laughing at this team!

Bill ain’t going no where Kraft likes him too much. Also it’s crazy how much ppl where waiting for his fall more so than Tom’s.

Joy really carrying y’all, AND looking so good doing it! 🔥 🔥

Saw a comment , treat bellichek like he treated all his star players over the years , once they are not as good as they once were kick them to the curb , though they may have some In tank and are better than most , shove them out , bill you coached like that now you’ll be treated like that . What goes around comes around

In my opinion the patriots don’t get better by replacing head coaches atp. In fact I believe that would make the patriots worse at this point in time. Mac Jones would look terrible having to learn yet a new offense, and the team lacks talent.

Pats fooled everybody they are gonna tank for Caleb