How Pentax's new camera is misunderstood.

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How Pentax's new camera is misunderstood.

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Today I'm taking a closer look at the new Pentax 17 film camera and sharing my thoughts and experiences.
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13:04 - 15:33 - The price
15:33 - 18:40 - Final thoughts
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@teocrawford Ай бұрын

So here are my thoughts on the Pentax 17. What do you think of it? I hope you enjoyed the video! :) Much love to Squarespace for the continuous support of the channel! Head to www.squarespace.com/teocrawford to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain by using the code "TEOCRAWFORD" (also supports the channel). Wishing you a lovely weekend!

@ShutterKnack Ай бұрын

Hi Teo, nice vid! I think the 17 is big because they already made the base frame for the 35mm version aka the next camera. Just my thoughts.

@wenjun_n 28 күн бұрын

Maybe you can try to get pentax to make the film compartment of the camera vertical so the half frame now defaults to horizontal images, and now it has become a "thick phone" that has "film tones" that people can have fun shooting images with, just that the image takes some process and wait time to get back and share😂 ok I'm kidding, and a nice video Teo! I too would have hoped something like the original Olympus XA be improved with the tech of today but still retain it's vibe, but that's a dream that may never come true.

@mc25141 Ай бұрын

I pre-ordered this camera on the first day it was released and received it about two weeks later. I’m really enjoying this camera. It has a point-and-shoot feel and is very lightweight, making it easy to carry around. I haven't developed the pictures yet, as I've only taken 68 shots so far. Given how expensive film can be, I’ve always wanted to use a half-frame camera. This has been a very happy purchase for me.

@SlimShady-nv4mq Ай бұрын

As a brazilian, it's always a joy to hear our bossa nova being played in your videos, Teo!

@abbabbcbbcbb Ай бұрын

It's such a beautiful art form, love from the UK

@jessepinkmangaming2337 Ай бұрын

id be head over heels if pentax made a new rangefinder style camera

@EstelonAgarwaen Ай бұрын

K1kii? Would be cool too

@meekoo9797 14 күн бұрын

me too

@theothertonydutch 2 күн бұрын

If they'd just do an M39 rangefinder that'd be great.

@anta40 Күн бұрын

@@theothertonydutch Ah I just remember that Pentax is known for making only SLRs: a bunch of M42 35mm SLR, Pentax 645, Pentax 67. Perhaps they can design the body, then the question is who will make the lens? Modern screw mount lens are kinda rare (oh hi there Voigt...).

@nwmi23 Ай бұрын

Phenomenal job Teo! This is the best review and selection of photos that I've seen regarding the Pentax 17. I purchased this camera as soon as it was released, and I'm still working on my first roll.

@jakubwieliczko8931 Ай бұрын

It's so freaking beautiful! I'm so happy it came to existance!

@OutlawSquirtle Ай бұрын

Couldn't agree more with what you were saying about the camera. I wished it was made with more rugged materials and the fact it wasn't a full frame camera was a bit of a deal breaker for myself. I feel like it would have been a near perfect camera for beginners and even experienced people in the hobby/craft to be able to have a more everyday casual yet more sophisticated camera.

@lucasbordiao Ай бұрын

Hey Teo, I'm very happy to hear Brazilian music in your video, greetings from Brazil.

@homelessboy92 Ай бұрын

First of all fantastic video, these are the types of reviews i love to watch, rich in detail and seemingly unbiased. It's an interesting idea to create a "new" film camera in a digitally dominant age, however, i think i speak for many film photographers when i say that in 2024, what we want is a true manual, digital/film camera hybrid that has a digital sensor to preview our shots after every exposure, it's the logical step in "new" film camera technological development. The body of a manual film camera that shoots film, with full manual exposure control, the viewfinder of a highend digital camera like for instance an A7R, that uses the film camera's light meter to give an accurate preview of the film camera's exposure before and after every shutter release. And before people start commenting "ohhh but that's the magic of film is to learn exposure and know how to properly expose and have to wait to develop your film before you get to view your shots!" That's absolutely fine, go buy literally any other film camera that has ever been created. My point is simply this, film is expensive, developing film is expensive, it's time consuming, it's not good for the environment, you can be the greatest film photographer in the world and still have occasional shit exposures, it happens to me, it happens to you, it happens to them too. Why not have a camera that can alleviate any wasted shots entirely, a perfect exposure, every time, a blending of digital technology with analog hardware and film light metering? We have the technology for both, we just need someone to blend them gracefully. I know there are some kickstarter projects related to this but i would love to see a big name like pentax, nikon, canon or fujifilm step up and make this become a reality. Just my thoughts.

@gregwardecke Ай бұрын

Teo , thanks for the thoughtful review. I appreciate your assessment of what it is and not trashing what it is not. I am disappointed some influencers felt the need to be negative. Pentax stepped up and made a new top to bottom film camera in 2024. 2024!! Let’s celebrate what we have. Oh, thanks for the price comparison. Good information.

@dangerforthebrain Ай бұрын

Actually a decent review of the camera, so many others miss features and missrepresent this product by rushing out the video during the first week of the camera being released. Top stuff man :)

@UndinesOcean Ай бұрын

Lovely shots! ❤ The zone focusing system on this camera is truly cute and self-explanatory.

@jonglass Ай бұрын

Thank you for comparing the 17's price to film cameras from the 80s and 90s. I compared it to a point and shoot from the mid 80s (about $150-$200, was what my memory told me), and even that was nearer $400 or $500 today. IMO, the 17 is a bargain, in reality! I I am still shooting my first roll on my own copy, but think that I will like it. It certainly gives me confidence that my ancient film cameras don't (they all date from the 50s through to the 70s). I was also suspicious of the half-frame, but one benefit I am discovering is that since I'm getting 48 shots on this roll, I feel more freedom to just shoot, vs when I shoot full frame, or medium format, where I want every photo to "count". I'll see how sharp the images are when I finally develop the film, and go to enlarge the images in the dark room, but the sample images I've seen online have given me hope--we'll see. :-)

@johnmacaspac410 Ай бұрын

Love it! Love your color grading when hiking up the mountain bro.

@cindywho134 Ай бұрын

Regarding the price, this is new technology, not just recycled tech from the 60s-80s. Research and development is costly.

@brennanthies4814 Ай бұрын

Well, there was the Olympus Pen EES-2 which released in 1968 and did almost all of what this did, and then later the Olympus Pen EF which also had flash (but a plastic body) That said, I'm still glad this camera exists, and the price will come down over time.

@rk-wy8pu Ай бұрын

The question is why??

@SomeUnremarkableGuy 26 күн бұрын

@@rk-wy8pu what do you mean why?

@GianiMartin Ай бұрын

Teo, you constantly inspire me to up my content quality and videography skills. I love watching your videos man.

@LaVieBoheme517 Ай бұрын

1) You live in such a magically beautiful place 2) Your exposures capture breathtaking moments of storytelling 3) The approach you have to photography has really encouraged me to grow with my Pentax K1000 (actually have two by accident) and "see" better 4) Why is it 100 degrees here (in Ohio, US) but every video you look so cozy? :3

@RM.TokyoPhotographer 27 күн бұрын

im kinda shocked the stock in Tokyo/Japan is like gone...thanks for a great video I should of snagged one when it was up for reservation. I tried it at the Pentax Club House in Tokyo and I have to admit... this camera is not a flop...its a total success hoping to snag the second batch when it goes for sale

@0y0chang0 27 күн бұрын

I am glad you mentioned the Olympus XA. I think people were expecting a K1000 but its actually closer to an reborn XA just half frame.

@misfortune708 Ай бұрын

I'm still blown away by how beautiful the area you live in is, every single video I watch

@fluresent Ай бұрын

They've nailed the tactility!

@thebitterfig9903 Ай бұрын

One thing I really like about the 17 is the way the viewfinder is directly over the centerline of the lens. There are few things I hate more than the parallax of trying to place something in the center of the frame, and it doesn't wind up in the middle. There can be parallax in other ways but minimizing this one aspect of it seems like a great idea. Vertical is different, but overall I feel like viewfinder is very well designed for compositional use. It's one small detail, but I think the Ricoh/Pentax designers made sure that a lot of the small details add up into something quite nice. Overall, I just love the shooting experience of this camera. The specs aren't amazing, but the use? It feels great. I have a fully-manual, fully mechanical K-1000, and a PZ-20 which is fully auto. Both take great photos, but the PZ-20 sometimes feels a bit soulless (might as well shoot digital) and the K-1000 is a bit more fiddly (might as well shoot Medium Format). The 17 tries to split the difference--manual enough to remain interesting and engaging, but automatic enough to keep things casual. I can understand the 17 feeling big compared to other compacts, but it's very small and light compared to an SLR, so it depends on your point of reference. The grip in the hand, the nice feel of the winder (better than most of my SLRs, I figure), the convenience of an built-in flash. I think it all adds up to a very nice shooting experience. A different one from going manual, being precise--a different camera for a different mood. I don't always want to meter for my TLR or the 3D printed Chroma 612. Looking at the world through ground glass can be an amazing way to spend an afternoon, but I don't love my results from my TLR unless I'm shooting on a tripod, and I don't always want that. Then there's half-frame. I think it's a good choice. Frankly, APS-C digital has a lot of image quality benefits over 135 full-frame. I feel like my K-1 rivals 6x6, without the hassle of scanning. If bigger film formats already feel like an image quality compromise compared to digital, I figure I'd mostly rather shoot twice as many shots. If this was full-frame at the same cost and size, I don't think I'd complain, but being able to shoot more feels good, too. And the IQ from this is a solid step up from the Reto/Kodak H35 models, with a better lens and an actual exposure system. Lastly, price. I personally don't think it's inappropriately high or overpriced, but $500 isn't a small amount of money. It's certainly possible to take better pictures cheaper. Is there a camera which better, cheaper, with better tactility, easier to use, and either rock-solid dependability or a warranty so you can trust that you haven't flushed your money down the drain? That's less certain. I could buy an Olympus Pen or Canon Demi, but navigating the used market to find one that's in good condition, and then doing routine service on them is non-negligible. There's light seals to replace, leaf shutters get sticky, meters lose accuracy. I could get an Olympus XA or another nice compact, but electronic compacts can become bricks if anything goes wrong--they're mostly beyond capacity to repair. So I don't feel the 17 is a terrible decision--you're paying for peace of mind, for a camera that just works. And I wager that between manufacturing and development costs that the price probably isn't unfair. But I get it if $500 just isn't in someone's budget, and I'm sympathetic. TL;DR: it's just dang fun to shoot with this.

@kindasketxh Ай бұрын

thoroughly surprised by this camera and appreciate your honest review (esp re the price cuz I was shocked by it too). I definitely am interested in this as an everyday camera especially because it's half frame

@jeffreycutts2393 Ай бұрын

Great video, and an interesting camera to be sure! The perspective on price is really good, particularly because if cared for properly, cameras have a ton of longevity.

@soupslicer136 Ай бұрын

i've seen some videos about the 17 for fun and the pros and cons are always more or less the same, feels cheap in this plastic but feels tactile with the advance lever and manual rewind, most liked the exposure compensation dial and some complained about the lack of manual settings, good lens but the zone focus is always polemic, but damn, you're the first one to talk about that bs blue tint on the viewfinder, thank you so much

@OK_doitnow Ай бұрын

Beautiful beautiful review, it brings back the memories from Innsbruck. I can totally agree with your points ❤

@ilijahred Ай бұрын

another piece of art, and an amazing review. thank you teo

@gottanikoncamera Ай бұрын

The Olympus XA w/ flash released at $200 though after a while you could find it at NY discounters for about $175. We have to remember that producing this first-in-a-long-time model was a big endeavor since much of the equipment to produce film cameras, and the technical know how was gone. I think $500 is a fair price.

@beepboopbeepboop190 Ай бұрын

I'm only halfway through my first roll through it so I can only speak about the physical camera -- but I like it. I'm not their target demographic. I don't use ig or similar. I'm old enough that for most of my life film cameras were the only option and I'm not new to cameras. But when I'm shooting film I'm mostly using heavy cameras that feel like they were built to double as a weapon. Which is great, it inspires confidence which this Pentax doesn't -- but sometimes you need a lighter camera, especially one with a warranty. The last 6 months it seems every time I go to grab two film cameras, one of them isn't working. I'm very thankful that a lot of these old cameras have no electronics and can typically be brought back to life with a repair, but I'm even more thankful that this Pentax 17 won't require me to drop $200 for a service or CLA. I wish the Pentax warranty was longer but I really have no complaints with this camera so far, assuming my first roll develops without issue. With how much I've spent on getting cameras serviced and acknowledging that a "cheap" old camera doesn't always stay cheap, I have no problem with this one being $500. Let alone any comparison to new digital cameras which all of mine cost well above this.

@Spidey1933 Ай бұрын

Aye!! I was in this poll for the thumbnail and you chose it !!❤❤

@HarrisonTong Ай бұрын

Great video! Good to see new film cameras coming out nowadays

@neal3k Ай бұрын

I really enjoyed you honest comments and useful video. You covered most everything about this very interesting camera and thanks for your work. I preordered and got an early Pentax 17. I'm a camera collector and heavy shooter so this is a nice addition to my stable. I already have 4 half-frame cameras so I know what to expect with the format. I like shooting diptychs and with half-frame, don't hesitate to bracket or experiment so I have no trouble finishing a roll. I've shot HP5+, Ultramax 400 and Phoenix 200 in mine already. Note that none of these are known for fine grain, especially Phoenix. About the portrait orientation; it is necessary if you want a typical looking camera with film moving horizontally. It takes a tall camera to shoot horizontal format. I can do it with my 1925 Ansco Memo but it is a bit primitive compared to the Pentax and others. As to those who compare half or full frame to smartphones, it is not the perfection of shooting images but the fun of shooting film that draws photographers to embrace film and I know you video will be a big help for people who want to understand the experience Pentax 17 experience..

@aviandekeizer9208 Ай бұрын

I really appreciate the thoughtfulness that went into this video! I haven't seen anyone talk about launch prices adjusted for inflation. Although it gave me more sympathy towards Pentax for the price, as a film photographer in 2024 I still think it just isn't economic to drop that much on this camera (especially as a beginner) when you can get a full frame manual camera with many of the same features and more for such a fraction of the price.

@theguitarloschannel8969 Ай бұрын

Thanks for the review! I have a Pentax Spotmatic and seeing a new Pentax camera out is so exciting! I’m not sure if I’ll get one for myself but I have a few friends who would appreciate this camera as a starter into 35mm photography. And I guess if I save enough money, I might add this to my collection. Wonderful review

@christopherward5065 Ай бұрын

Development and production costs for something designed from scratch will be high. It’s a very successful design.

@shoto42 18 күн бұрын

Seeing the original prices for camera’s adjusted for inflation made me realize that prices for camera’s haven’t really changed. Like the inflated price for the Minolta is basically the same price for a brand new Sony A7 camera, and that honestly makes sense to me, and in fact it’s honestly amazing that prices haven’t skyrocketed more for average consumer cameras in the last 30-40 years; especially for what camera’s that are way more capable than ones back then.

@willinirschl 15 күн бұрын

Wonderful review on the camera. I really appreciate your effort of comparing camera prices from now and then. And it was really cool to actually hear you speaking german! 😂 Merci dawei und bis zum nächsten moi

@IsabelLim Ай бұрын

thank you for such an informative video! honestly this might have convinced me that the Pentax 17 is for me, as I find myself shooting a lot more vertical photos and I have been looking for a half-frame camera

@chrisbliss7130 Ай бұрын

Thanks for your honest opinion! Always loving your videos and your laid back approach to photography without all that gear hype. Btw: Is that you aswering the older couple in the video? What a difference language and accents make😅

@GaryGarbett Ай бұрын

Another excellent video, Ted. Always appreciate your work. Curious to know if you can provide music credits? There were a few tunes that I’d love to dig deeper about the artist. Be well and be kind.

@delicrux Ай бұрын

i was hoping to see what you would do with this camera glad pentax reached out

@thilography Ай бұрын

A review that I can completely agree with on every point!

@campyonlyguy Ай бұрын

You can find a nice example of the Konica Recorder half-frame camera for about $200 if you’re patient. It’s autofocus and auto exposure, and the default format is landscape images.

@SomeUnremarkableGuy 26 күн бұрын

how it can take landscape images by default if it is half-frame format camera?

@campyonlyguy 25 күн бұрын

@@SomeUnremarkableGuy The film in the Recorder runs vertically, so the default orientation of the negatives is landscape. The Pentax 17 and all of the classic Pen half frame cameras have film that runs horizontally.

@SystemParanoia Ай бұрын

I'm waiting for the new Rollei 35AF 🥰

@xXAlmdudlerXx 15 күн бұрын

Now Im waiting for a full frame version :D

@stivensbanks Ай бұрын

When they released this camera with so much hype over it, I thought "man, what an overrated thing they did, what is this?". For the price of the K1000 at the time it was released, this 17 is never worth the same price. I was excited by the hype they made on Instagram and was disappointed when I saw it. And your video says exactly what I think about it 😂 I'm happy to save my money for another camera. Maybe the next one, if they don't make another one like this 👀

@SomeUnremarkableGuy 26 күн бұрын

dissapointed about what exactly?

@yoghurt731 Ай бұрын

ohh i would loooove to gift this camera to a number of freinds. Its perfect for everyone who loves to take pictures, without diving too deep into photography. its also as it seems super easy to use and the decision to make it shoot half frame is perfectly suited for it too, since people will mostly post in only on instagram anyawys. .....very excited to gift it to a friend before their journey to korea for 5 months ...that is until i saw the price .. it just is out of reach for me (as a student) so i will be sticking to the used camera market. but still cool that it exist, and thanks for the as always beautiful review video :)

@linjicakonikon7666 Ай бұрын

Who uses Instagram anymore? That's so over.🙄👎

@JeanSialelli Ай бұрын

@@linjicakonikon7666what do you want to use other then Instagram? It's the only app most people have that's half decent for sharing photos. All the photography specific alternatives are very obscure so no one has them.

@shhh3683 11 күн бұрын

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@Neeintje Ай бұрын

IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO

@rrteppo 19 күн бұрын

$500 is an entirely reasonable price. It's a brand new product that comes with a warranty and is guaranteed to work for the next 40 years. An old film camera built in the 80's will continue to work until it doesn't, and it's already 40 years old so part of the reason the price is so low now is because of the age.

@thissidetowardscreen4553 Ай бұрын

Teo, great review and insight. Thank you for pointing out the price in comparison to film cameras of the past. I think a lot of people forgot how much things cost in the past. I applaud Pentax for making a film camera and hopefully they continue to make new ones. Thanks for sharing! Awesome photos!

@KillerTacos54 Ай бұрын

That intro is absolutely glorious

@visalheng1236 Ай бұрын

love your videos!

@canoedoctor Ай бұрын

It really looks like Pentax has intention of using this same chassis for a future full frame camera. The body size and the way that the frame mask inside is working, all look like they left room for a full frame version. As a half frame, I do like it, though I would have personally preferred a square format over the vertical.

@PhilKnall Ай бұрын

I got some hands on time at a local camera store and really loved the tactility like the dial clicks etc. alas, my pre-order didn't make the first batch...

@ianthomas465 7 күн бұрын

Hallo Teo. Ich besitze noch einige Kataloge aus den 80er Jahren. Eine Olympus XA2 mit dem LZ11-Blitz würde heute preisbereinigt 426€ kosten. Ähnlich sieht es mit der Minox 35 aus. Eine Rollei 35 läge bei 507€. Die Pentax 17 liegt also preislich auf einem Niveau wie andere ernstzunehmende Kompaktkameras aus den frühen 80ger Jahren. Beste Grüße aus Landeck, Greg von analoginsights

@ThingOfSome Ай бұрын

Great review! Most honest of the reviews here on KZfaq. As to the remark about the price, yes, it is about the price of those "budget cameras" after accounting for inflation, but after taking into account the build quality, there is again a big discrepancy. It is simply too expensive, especially for an electronic camera.

@ApertureWalk 21 күн бұрын

I am still waiting for mine to be delivered. Waiting to see how I will use it

@noah22261 23 күн бұрын

Great video, cheers from florida

@Martyn0001 5 күн бұрын

There are lots of full frame cameras. Go get a cheap Pentax Z1P or SFXn (or Nikon or Canon etc) and put some new glass on it say one of the Pentax FA* lenses or Canon L lenses. The results will blow you away. No one is doing this on KZfaq but everyone is shooting a new half frame camera - why? Good vid by the way.

@TheCV6869 Ай бұрын

I thought it is worth mentioning, with the price you pay, you get NEW film camera with warranty. You dont have to worry about the camera failing halfway went shooting a roll. I think pentax made great decisions with this release and definitely aims toward beginner or those who always wanted to try film but too intimidating with the available choices and buying vintage camera that may fail anytime. It shoots half frame, more photos per roll due to film price increasing by the minute. It is lightweight so people can bring it anywhere. You get 48/72 exposure per roll, you're gonna want to have it with you most of the time to finish the roll. I wish pentax great success with these release and continue to release more film camera for different audience. 😊

@red_ashcroft Ай бұрын

I love your video!

@johnbower9703 Ай бұрын

How do you know when to use exposure compensation? I also have the XA3 and the Pentax 17 both with exposure compensation. I had thought that the +1.5 exposure on the XA3 was for when a subject had bright light behind it in order to increase the exposure of the subject, but I also feel like I’d just be guessing most of the time

@PhotoArtBrussels 28 күн бұрын

Great video. I do agree that a bog standard full frame or "normal" 35mm camera would have been better; i would have bought one in a second. However; when you look at the size of the camera itself; i do think the chassis is capable of holding a standard 35mm configuration. The frame window has to be made differently, the film advance and potentially the lens.

@christinasmith9032 Ай бұрын

Great review! I LOVE shooting vertical. I think I’d be the perfect customer. Good insight on the blue viewfinder…I don’t think I’d like that. Interesting about using less grainy film to compensate for half frame. Thank you! ❤

@user-mz1md8wc4l 18 күн бұрын

I love your videos from Tokyo🗼

@AlanChunkyMunky Ай бұрын

My thinking about the size: it’s to do with the weight of it. I LOVE how light it is, but when you wanna use light and cheap materials (not inherently a bad thing), you can make it more rigid and durable by just using more of it. So yeah it’s big for a halfframe, but it feels durable enough for me while staying light. I prefer this over a smaller but heavier metal camera which might be less comfortable to hold

@shermang27 26 күн бұрын

Love the review, it's a good looking camera but I agree with you that it isn't perfect. My problem with this camera, as a relative beginner myself, is that the value isn't there. You made a great argument for the price not being outrageous compared to similar film camera release prices, but my counterpoint is that those cameras provided more functionality at that price point. Sure, "value" calculations get iffy if you bring in compatibility with other lenses (which aren't free) with the convenience of the Pentax 17, but that is precisely the problem. The Pentax 17, as a new film camera, has to compete with all of the existing gear available at resale in the eyes of a new potential photographer. Compared to resale offerings, this camera still has plenty of use for it's convenience factor, but is it one you'd want to learn photography with? It really seems like it wouldn't be a bad choice for someone's first camera, but is less appealing as someone's first camera with the intent to get deeply involved in photography. At the $500 price point, it's hard to imagine it would beat the starting bundle you could put together secondhand. Now, as a gift for someone else? Maaaaybe. At best, it seems like the target audience is people already entrenched in the hobby who are curious as to what a modern film camera looks and feels like. $500 isn't so bad when you're already have spent more than you'd care to keep track of on other cameras and lenses. In that context, it's a great deal that you have an entire new camera to play with that can fill a number of niches, whether it be as a new daily carry, an intro to half frame shots, or just something modern for the shelf collection. If this doesn't land with the big splash Ricoh Imaging/Pentax was hoping for with their Film Project initiative, I hope they keep at it. As for the Pentax 17, maybe I'll find one of these for cheap in 15 years at a yard sale if the build quality isn't an issue.

@Whywas6scared 25 күн бұрын

It seems to me that the main reason for the height of the camera is the size of the viewfinder. I imagine it provides a significantly bigger and brighter view than, say, an Olympus Pen. I have no idea why it is so wide though.

@slowbot68 Ай бұрын

I like what pentax did. It's well thought out, original. Personally I wish the lens was a little less wide. But I've been thinking of getting one anyway. Honestly the price isn't that bad when you consider how much some camera equipment costs, eg specific lenses. Best part about it for me is ability to shoot macro and regular in same lens.

@ehname1 Ай бұрын

I'm only halfway though the video, but it seems like they were aiming for an all-rounder camera that anyone COULD buy rather than appealing to one purpose specifically, which doesn't always work, but sometimes does and honestly I think I'll give it a shot.

@Zukez Ай бұрын

Great review. If this was 2/3 of the size and 2/3 of the price I would get it right away. At that price I want more manual control.

@dianaa8125 29 күн бұрын

hmmm where in switzerland did you film this? I just returned from switzerland and it reminds me of my holiday. Was it the north face trail?

@RaimondiClaudio Ай бұрын

Hi, thank you for this very helpful review. I’m a newbie and I’ve got this Pentax 17. In order to protect the lens, I’ve bought an UV filter (“Urth”), but I would like to ask wether it could affect the quality of the photos. Thank you.

@jonharvey6295 Ай бұрын

I wished they made more half frames like the konica recorder which shoots horizontally by default

@chrisbliss7130 Ай бұрын

Everybody is complaining about the price, but is buying new iphones every two years for 1000€ without any complaints. 😂

@13squier Ай бұрын

Well fwiw iphones have significantly better cameras.

@godlikee187 23 күн бұрын

love it how there are only pensionisten out there hiking haha :D

@rayce Ай бұрын

I still don’t think it’s a fair comparison for the inflation of those cameras to this. Metal body, fully manual settings, and full frame. Comparing the price to another half frame camera in those times would make more sense. This isn’t a k1000 not even close.

@rayce Ай бұрын

Did I forget interchangeable lenses too?

@stickstackxd6093 Ай бұрын

Servus. Nice little analog camera!

@aviandekeizer9208 Ай бұрын

I don't love the automatic vertical format either, and 72 shots is A LOT. While I appreciate saving money, especially if you need to switch film as lighting and locations change, it would take me forever to finish that roll. However, I am also not running low on film, as I have a few big rolls of cinema film that I downspool and process myself (removing the remjet layer after development) so its super cheap.

@jerzyjablonski1432 Ай бұрын

Nice video, you pretty much nailed how P17 is. I would not agree on not premium feel, I like that is is so light be me being tech guy I suppose I have bigger affinity toward modern materials like plastic. Camera itself is cute, turned me back into kid who was happily snapping around with Zenit 3M and Fomapan film without any regard to frames or cost :D I think it is great snapshot camera and for those who like film, want a good and reliable camera but don't want to carry around SLR or experience a hassle of getting working used camera or CLA a bought and not so perfect - this is new toy to get. For more serious photography I still take Pentax K2 or Zenit 12XP but just to walk around with roll of cheap film this is perfect for me.

@bk3720 23 күн бұрын

Even though this camera has a good amount of plastic theres a possibility that its still durable. I have a Pentax kp, which does have alot of plastic and ive had no issues with durability or reliability. Pentax did a great job with the styling. I also like the metal top and bottom, good for durability and paint cant wear off the corners and look ugly as would be the case in an all plastic body. He's right about us used to cheap used pricing on film gear.

@nicolasguillenc Ай бұрын

If I had the money I would 100% buy it tbh

@ludovicoc7046 10 күн бұрын

A more accurate size comparison to the XA3 would be to include the XA flash.

@patrickbateman8167 Ай бұрын

Great vid. Silently hoping myself that the pentax 17 does well with the influencers so I can sell my spotmatic for a 1000% profit.

@jonathan_0 Ай бұрын

I think it's unfortunate that it had to be as expensive as it is, but I doubt that they could sell it for much less without losing money on it. As it is, it's just not worth it for most people, although it does look like it's a much better camera than most other new half-frame point and shoot cameras right now. I also love that at least one camera manufacturer is trying to make new, good quality, somewhat affordable film cameras. Yes I'm still mad that the Leica M6 reissue is nearly £5,000 _without a lens_

@sebastianfichtner1876 Ай бұрын

I especially like how you put the price of the 17 into perspective. People these days simply don‘t know how much a new camera has to cost…how should they?! The only analog cameras sold in recent years were Leicas which are so much more expensive…

@husshardan3511 Ай бұрын

Lomo sells the LC-Wide new for $399 - $100 less than the Pentax 17. It is a fantastic camera and not only does it shoot half frame, but flip a switch and it also shoots full frame. So you can buy an new 35mm camera that offers more than the Pentax for $100 less.

@sebastianfichtner1876 Ай бұрын

@@husshardan3511 Mhh, hard to compare in my opinion. The Lomo only has bulb mode or 1/500 exposure time. And 400$ is definitely a lot of money for such a limited camera. Also, I wouldn’t necessarily consider half frame as a limitation. Nobody would say that he/she wouldn‘t use 35mm as 120 is much bigger. It‘s simply another format, but one that is enough for most things in everyday photography.

@scrptwic Ай бұрын

I decided to put new light Seals in my Pentax Spotamatic SP11 I've owned for a couple of years it needed new light Seals and i perfer a 35mm camera with interchangeable lenses as I have number of Takumar M42 lenses for the camera so it made since for me to fix what I had for few dollars instead of buying a half frame camera

@AizenSama-wr1du Ай бұрын

Bro your voice 💥

@MichaelQC 9 күн бұрын

This camera is truly created for the Gen Z/Gen Alpha photographer who wishes they were a part of the film generation. What I mean by this is that it has one too many dials where dials are not needed. In the heydays of 1980-1990 point and shoot film cameras, most modes were selected via a couple of buttons or toggles. The Pentax 17's form appeals to the digital native photographer and uses modern ergonomics (hand-grip). Again, probably done to differentiate it from a smartphone's flat/rectangular design. I am pleasantly surprised by the image quality, however, it is equally viable to spend $150 on an overhauled Olympus half-frame camera and the remaining $350 on 25 rolls of good film, which, I presume is above the average number of rolls a new film photographer who purchases the Pentax 17 will shoot before giving up film photography altogether. The camera's price tag really brings out the cynic in me.

@SomeUnremarkableGuy 26 күн бұрын

For everyday carry as this camera is supposed to be, you don't want heavy camera. Sure, better materials means better quality. But Pentax 17 is just fine, they could go with all plastic material, but they didn't. I have watched a lot of reviews of this camera, and noticed that most of youtubers didn't follow at all Pentax product designer wheh he was speaking about camera film project, especially when he mentioned that this cameras is mainly targetet at the young people and influencers who just post photos on the social media. Half-frame is there because of the vertical orientation and a lot more exposures than with stanard 35mm format. They went this way to compensate with the high prices of the film. This camera is not for someone who is more into film photograpy. Of course you can go to thrift store and find Leicas, or some medium format cameras, that's not the point. The point is this camera has it's own targeted audience, and they want them simply to go to store and to buy new camera that 100% works and have warranty on that, and have fun at the end of the day.

@tomm7096 Ай бұрын

Great review. Your critique of the camera’s build materials (magnesium alloy and plastic) being disappointing seems somewhat shortsighted especially considering your XA-3 is 100% plastic. Many other cameras in that era were also.

@zhnnananko Ай бұрын

may be the price should campare with the KYOCERA SAMURAI is suitable,or the olympus pen-ee series.because they all belong to the half frame camera.And i like the series of KYOCERA SAMURAI ,because its was vary cool and you can use Horizontal composition easily, besides, KYOCERA SAMURAI has auto focus and Accurate metering.

@kriXoff75 Ай бұрын

I think the Pentax 17 overrexpose bit too much, it's better to decrease compensation exposure for bright landscape shots.

@JosephY29 Ай бұрын

I think the Auto exposure along side the manual iso rating and lever gets you a point in shoot that makes you feeeel like you did more lol

@teocrawford Ай бұрын

@@JosephY29 That’s the point😅 I can be much faster when the camera exposes automatically which can be very beneficial in many situations - thus I love my Olympus XA3.🫶 What matters to me is whether I capture a moment, not whether I exposed it manually or automatically🤔😅👍

@theotherlinh Ай бұрын

I would love to see a re-released K1000. But I guarantee it would not be $600 :) The inflation calculations are skewed against other rising manufacturing costs. But still, it's a hard sell. I want to support Pentax's venture, but I'll hold off. They did get the film bug back on me and pushed me towards a PEN-F. And I'm curious what that Rollei 35 AF will actually launch at.

@ZeusTalks 11 күн бұрын

Servus! Kitzbühler hier, schön das man manchmal Österreicher auf KZfaq findet

@norayr Ай бұрын

very cool. want that camera. (:

@Sven1Reinhold 21 күн бұрын

You set the ISO manually. So why is there a knob for exposure compensation?

@teocrawford 21 күн бұрын

@@Sven1Reinhold What do you set your ISO to if you want to overexpose your roll of CineStill 50D? It‘s simply useful, to have the choice between using the ISO setting or using the dedicated wheel. I appreciate a dedicated wheel. Additionally the exposure compensation wheel is more accurate, because you can change it in steps of 0.33 stops.