Tall Hobbit Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

He was my favorite Jedi for three reasons He was badass He was an ass He could say the n word

Exam reason why mace sucks

@@Jedi_Mind_ all of this is debunked in the novelisation of revenge of the sith. It was claimed sidius placed a false shatterpoint to mace in order for him to disarm him, and his continuous use of force lightning was beyond vaypaad. Bending the blade of mace who was on the brink of death.

I agree

'Grab my lightsaber...' Stored in memory bank for future use.

Just saw something a few days ago where he actually has BMF on his XD

AShamefurDispray who would win in a fight? Yoda or Vince Vega?

AShamefurDispray you sir have made my day

AShamefurDispray I can get behind this comment. : D

Zay Livee Neither does Samuel Jackson.

Zay Livee He would have been the first and only force user to die from falling

Not the first to die from force lightning though.

He didn't die from Force lightning. He was still alive when he was thrown out the window and since we've seen him jump off of skyscrapers there's a more than decent chance he's still alive.

I landed on a giant tasty burger that cushioned my fall

Oh really? Lmao

@@emmanzi_ yes he wanted to be able to point himself out in the bigger scenes.

Didn’t know that lmfao love slj

@@DrBoofenstein But purple lightsabers did exist in the Jedi Knight (early 2000s) games. Before the movies.

Was thinking this too! I think Mr Jackson tells this story during a graham norton interview.

I couldn't have done it with out you, my apprentice.

loool

hes gonna kill you watch your back!

Sidious 😂😂😂

Sidious ooooooh !!!

You serve the force by serving the greater good, serving the republic.

Mentallect no you don’t there is a difference

Negasso Kadir I’ve never heard that story

Qui Gon was the only one I think who followed the force instead of the council. If only Windu had done the same...

@@Mentallect Greatest good: serve the force (listen to its will and do what it says) Second: serving other beings Third: serving themselves. This is exactly what the Bible teaches, Love God the most Love your neighbor as yourself God says what you do to your neighbor you would do to me. So your right, serving other people is as serving the force.

He's a Sidious groupie.

Speak the truth. I feel if he ever became a dark Jedi or sith lord he would be truly unstoppable. You think the ancient sith or palpatine were powerful you'll soon learn that they are mere younglings going against the ancient ones. At least that's how my head canon sees it. I would love to see a Revan like windu

yes but the only reason mace won against palpatine was because of vaapad and without vaapad mace would have lost to palpatine

Sidious was Taylor made for Windu. Not only does his own anger and hate fuel his styles power, Sidious only amplifies it more with his own. Making Windu just too much for Sidious to handle.

@@randall2947 Of course he won of vapaad, that is windus fighting style, very well chosen fighting style from windu

Ahmed Mohamed nice to know

Ahmed Mohamed But i am your favorite

Obi-Wan Kenobi LOL this actually true Obi-Wan Kenobi is my favorite.

He's my favorite jedi and my favorite gta sa villian too.

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I would have thought that was pretty obvious from the movie. Unless Sidious threw the fight because he knew Anakin was coming somehow, but I guess there is no reason to really believe that.

He did, but due to circumstances, not because he was more powerful.

@@cichy45 nah he did because he has vaapad. it counters every power of palpatine and vaapad turns his rage against him.

cichy45 no

S Ryan i always thought that as a kid but watching it now and having more knowledge about the universe

I agree. The fact he’s the creator of such form, and it’s only practitioner that never fell to the darkside is an example of how strong minded he was. It’s like someone enjoying their favorite drug without ever becoming addicted, which takes an almost unrealistic strength of will

Sith rely on their passion for their strength. Mace Windu was able to tap in and draw from his passion (anger) apparently but not let himself be drawn into the dark side of the force. His willpower and desire for good was more powerful than his anger in my opinion. No other jedi in history were able to do this?

TheDawsonator1 Mace was a dick but so was Yoda and Obi wan in episode 2. Mace and Yoda were ignorant to the Sith and compassion that it made them ignorant and not ready to change. Neither Yoda or Mace really helped Anakin. Anakin asked Yoda for help and a he said was ok too bad no feelings, dark side. People who just see Anakin as a brat piss me off he was a slave his entire life even when he left Tatoine. Why were the Jedi even on Corruscant they were a private religious group in the political Mecca answering to the senate instead of the citizens😤😤

I mean..Mace had a reason to be weary of Anakin. As you can see. I think its one of those "it was always meant to happen" things. Destiny. Anakin was gonna turn no matter what.

@@SolidSnake240 yeah yoda even states it in the clone wars that this is the only path when discussing the clones which shows that everything in star wars was truly the will of the force. Mace is also awesome and top 2 strongest jedi with yoda and maybe luke if it had been more clear in the sequels.

imo i think the reason he was like that towards anakin is because of his shatter point and he knew how vulnerable anakin is to the dark side. The reason for not granting the rank of master was to prevent anakin from accessing holocrons that can bring him to the path of the dark side.

And what did anakin do? Proved him right just like a petulant child.

Aegir Agustsson True...and George Lucas confirmed that he did beat Sideous and sideous did not throw the fight.

Didn't George Lucas say that Luke is the most powerful jedi?

Nope.

Lucas sold out his villain for Samuel L Windu's ego

Aegir Agustsson Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

Fuck off if u like star trek

Thanks Jerrett! You're a pretty awesome fella. Ignore Zero_up9.

Fuck you

Sadly. Some fans are toxic. Not a fan of Star Trek but I appreciate your opinion. The replies are coming from 9 year olds

There are a lot of fans who love Star Wars and Star Trek. Myself among them. Awesome comment and I agree. 👍

and they didn't lol

So then palapatine was really alive?

samuraikatana1 Ok, who wouldn't want a purple lightsaber? Also given Mace's uniqueness as a jedi it makes sense why his light saber would be different. Funny enough blue and red make purple so the fact that his style walked the line between light and dark, purple still makes sense regardless of what the actor wanted. It's irrelevant given how well it fits had he asked for it or not.

You're the first person to bring that up lol. I thought the same thing.

Shinigamimon its was FATE THAT SAM L and or MACE WINDU got an PURPLE lightsaber.

Purple a popular colour amongst black people. Sorry I mean culture *cough*

Obi Wan Kenobi get outta here

Oh obi wan, stop trolling. we all know you just said that so that NOOB Anakin would try and jump over you to get the high ground so you could slice off his limbs in mid-air. Remember when Darth Maul, and general grievous had the high ground on you?

Juan Gonzalez they weren't the highground master Obi wan kenobi now were they?

High ground + Soresu = OP

High ground + double pump = op

christosvoskresye lol!!!

omg i collapsed XD

FMR Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

🤣😂😅😂🤣 I know right

P S yup

There needs to be an in-universe explanation too, however.

Funny thing is I think that's how they started making different colored light sabers other then red blue and green.

@@superstarthomas Jedi Sentinels (yellow lightsabers) already existed before Mace ever revealed his blade on EP 2 , but was already "extinct " around this time

@@FatalCorleone07 oh ok Iearned something new.

wyzemann He was a Jedi that fought Sith to keep them from oppressing the galaxy. Nothing flawed about that.

I think they should have introduced the Grey Jedi for that reason. In a way they bring balance to the Force with the user using elements of both sides. Mace Windu would technically be a Grey Jedi simply for that fact alone even though he was loyal to the Council.

Agreed the greatest Grey jedi would attribute the skills of windup and the ways of qui gon jinn

The flaw of the Jedi is that they forbade love without love no one can walk in the light truly.

Very interesting thought, I personally think Mace would win (wouldn't be easy tho)

Windu defeats Kenobi in a duela prime for prime literally 100 out of 100 times maybe 97 out of 100 at worst, levels is all, easiest example to use is Mayweather jr, he was about as close to a perfect boxer/ fighter as they come past 30 years out of 50 fights only 3 men even won more then 4 rounds against him. and the next best fighters who faced him being Pacquiao and Marquez- both fellow legends and greats on top 35 all time great lists in all of boxing history well Pac won maybe 3 rounds, and Juan Marquez won 0 rounds against Mayweather and Marquez was #2 p4p in the whole world at the time they fought, Mayweather is Windu in this analogy of course. So its not that Kenobi isn't an all time great or legend and incredible warrior it's just that windu is that much greater than even a man that talented!.

Me too! Great character great actor!

yeah but Disney might destroy his character

@@noobking2335 He could show up in the Obi-wan series. They could go after Darth Maul together.

Nah, the new writers of Star Wars fcked up the franchise. It’s dead now.

TheWhiteWolf Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

Awesome reply and 100% agreed with you. TLJ was a travesty in my opinion (so was TFA for me), but at least we'll always have EU Luke as the one who becomes pretty much what you typed out here. Those stories exists and they're not ever going anywhere, even with Disney's retarded timeline they've tried to replace it with.

Alex Black Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

jedimind fudo-myoo wow. It must be hurt you for type this long and he(alex black) dont reply you back

Hi red ping ! Thanx for your feedback. As a matter of fact, I didn't hurt because all I did was copy and paste that response from another source, I've been gradually refining that argument for a while. I'm not HURT because they don't reply , the truth is that there's NOTHING FOR THEM TO REPLY WITH SINCE I ALREADY PROVED MACE WON. so red ping, tell me, what should their REPLY be ? "..... OH I CAN NOW SEE MACE WON " ??? NEWS FLASH , I already know that !!! , I knew it b4 you that's why I'm arguing. If you check the comments section on similar videos you'll see I pasted this same argument in multiple places. I already know that youtube is filled with people who have very short attention spans and even if when they do read my mini essay they don't respond because they know that I'm ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and mace did win. If they do respond it's usually one or two sarcastic sentences that are completely IRRELEVANT, probably because their feelings got HURT since I proved that their idol lost to mace, in fact , it's somewhat similar to your response lol !!!!! And to be honest, I forgot all about this video until you went and commented , it must really bother you to go through the trouble of trying to read all that only to get to the end and realize that you no have NO REFUTATION at all. I bet you were thinking of a rebuttal but gave up huh ? Just like sidious gave up trying to beat mace until Anakin betrayed him hahaha. I swear to god you sidious fan boys crack me up. !!! I bet you're popping a vein from just reading this ...... IF your attention span has lasted that long ! Hahaha, as you can tell, I love to debate and write so whether or not you respond is irrelevant, writing is it's own reward. I could care less if any of you respond because I know you have NOTHING to say so your silence is your way of admitting defeat since your ego is to big to admit it. Seriously, why respond to my comment and not mention the subject it was about ? Typical sidious fanboy lollololol! Anyway, I forgive you ,but tell me have you seen the last jedi yet ? What were your thoughts and opinions ? I haven't seen it yet and I'm interested in what people think. Thanks for your time buddy. may the force be with you....... since it wasn't with sidious .... hahahahahahaha t

ping ! Thanx for your feedback. As a matter of fact, I didn't hurt because all I did was copy and paste that response from another source, I've been gradually refining that argument for a while. I'm not HURT because they don't reply , the truth is that there's NOTHING FOR THEM TO REPLY WITH SINCE I ALREADY PROVED MACE WON. so red ping, tell me, what should their REPLY be ? "..... OH I CAN NOW SEE MACE WON " ??? NEWS FLASH , I already know that !!! , I knew it b4 you that's why I'm arguing. If you check the comments section on similar videos you'll see I pasted this same argument in multiple places. I already know that youtube is filled with people who have very short attention spans and even if when they do read my mini essay they don't respond because they know that I'm ABSOLUTELY CORRECT and mace did win. If they do respond it's usually one or two sarcastic sentences that are completely IRRELEVANT, probably because their feelings got HURT since I proved that their idol lost to mace, in fact , it's somewhat similar to your response lol !!!!! And to be honest, I forgot all about this video until you went and commented , it must really bother you to go through the trouble of trying to read all that only to get to the end and realize that you no have NO REFUTATION at all. I bet you were thinking of a rebuttal but gave up huh ? Just like sidious gave up trying to beat mace until Anakin betrayed him hahaha. I swear to god you sidious fan boys crack me up. !!! I bet you're popping a vein from just reading this ...... IF your attention span has lasted that long ! Hahaha, as you can tell, I love to debate and write so whether or not you respond is irrelevant, writing is it's own reward. I could care less if any of you respond because I know you have NOTHING to say so your silence is your way of admitting defeat since your ego is to big to admit it. Seriously, why respond to my comment and not mention the subject it was about ? Typical sidious fanboy lollololol! Anyway, I forgive you ,but tell me have you seen the last jedi yet ? What were your thoughts and opinions ? I haven't seen it yet and I'm interested in what people think. Thanks for your time buddy. may the force be with you....... since it wasn't with sidious .... hahahahahahaha

MrEcho he got blind sided by anakin

The powa! we are dealing with here is immeasurable!

MrEcho UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But i have UNLIMITED POWAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MrEcho true, true. Only I have unlimited power.

+Gurpreet Singh MAtharoo wow.

Gurpreet Singh MAtharoo Tunak Tunak Tun

Gurpreet Singh Matharoo omg that killed me😂😂

I'm 2 years late, but I'll say it... Please, see yourself out.

I don’t get it

gordo films The Clones would get fucked up

gordo films RIP Anakin

Hes simultaneous one of the closest and one of the furthest he hated any jedi that wavered from the jedi code he saw it as immutable a Grey jedi would yield to the force if it opposed jedi dogma the perfect jedi would. BE a mix between qui gon jinn and mace windu

Emperor Palpatine *cough* darth vitiate* cough

I don't really think that Vitiate was more powerful. Yes he is the only Sith Lord to ever achieve actual immortality or close to it but the ability he used to do that is very similar to Darth Nihilius's Force Drain ability while Palpatine's Force Storm ability has never been duplicated . That and Vitiate was taken down by the Hero of Tython (one really powerful Jedi) while Palpatine took on 4 of the (arguably) best duelists in the Jedi Order at that time. Yes Vitiate is powerful there is no denying that, but I think the position of most powerful Sith goes to Darth Sidious Emperor of the Galactic Empire and last Dark Lord of the Sith under the Rule of Two. (Canon)

palapatine trolled the republic for more than 50 years... vitiate trolled and manipualte both jedi and sith since the end ludo kressh and tulak hord era...to the second sith empire that mean he observe people like exar kun, nomi sunrider ,revan,kreia etc only revan truly felt the bullshit and yet he failed nihilus existed because vitiate tolerated his existence his visions also surpass sidious's...palapatine just want what every sith wanted...domination and immortality the hero of typhon beat him at his most weakest state...(did you play the newest expension?) vititate/valkorion:tenebrae seek achieve not only immortality but transcendense he became far more than a sith his feats are greater than sidious....he could possess a mass of people at the same time (non force user,sith or jedi) he annihilate a planet outsmart revan and killed one of the 12 more powerful sith of his time with one strike he became so powerful killing his physical form wasn't enough..the only way was to use a holocron who will imprison and destroy his ghost form.. without that holocron he would have ruled the galaxy today

You go ahead and tell Exar Kun that to his face lmao

Emperor Palpatine Me listen to myself, Darth vader could destroy me if he didnt lose in Mustafar.

really? that is sorta the point

Niice

Guh huh goteem

@Ry-Enn Grant It's a quote of our Great Emperor, at the moment he used Force Lightning to kill Mace Windu.

Well he could say the n word so yes he did have unlimited power

@@taxidermypolarbear1724 lmao, nice

ғɪʀᴇ well his fall to the dark side would have been quicker I'll tell you that. Who knows, maybe ye would have beat obi wan on mustafar

@@Double44inthemorning Vaapad is the most affective against dark side users. Obi wan wouldn't have a problem with that

@@bigredog100 true but it's still in his arsenal. But obi probably still would've outsmarted him

@@bigredog100 either that or obi would still win because of his superior use of high ground

Sjorben Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

Not close at all.

It's pretty clear from watching the movie that Darth Sidious wasn't helpless and could have defended himself at any message moment as evident when he threw Mace Windu out of the window with Force-lightning.

@@spellrush2097 Damn right 😆

jedimind fudo-myoo I agree but what your doing is a pisstake

Rugby Football Do you mean a top 10 strongest force users or two separate lists? Because I don't think there's enough Sith in Canon to do a top 10.

In his prime (lightsaber habilities): 1. Yoda/Sidious/Windu 2. Anakin/Vader/Dooku 3. Kenobi/Luke 4. Maul/Qui Gon 5. The fools that went with Windu to capture Palpatine 6. Ezra/Kanan/Grevious/Assaj Ventres 7. Savage Opress

@ Brain. Its almost criminal that you haven't put OWK level with Anakin / Dooku. ...and as much as I want to believe in the future *potential* of Ezra / Kanan from Rebels, no way are their *current* lightsaber skills equal to Grevious.

As a lightsbaer fighter I don't think Kenobi can compete vs Vader/Anakin or Dooku...Anakin just lost because he was too cocky but even in the Episode III documentary the creators say that Anakin is on a higher lever. About Dooku...he defeats him two times being around 80 years old... Your commentary about the Rebels guys and Grevious is fair...

Brain Your Game -- The "fools" that went with Windu to capture Sidious were three of the most powerful Jedi in the Order. They were more powerful than Anakin. And Grievous is mountains above Ezra and Kanan. In terms of skills as pure swordsmen.. 1. Yoda 2. Mace Windu/Count Dooku/Darth Sidious 3. Cin Drallig/Darth Maul/Agen Kolar/Yaddle/ Kit Fisto/Plo Koon/Ki Adi Mundi/Yarael Poof 4. Oppo Rancisis/Obi-Wan Kenobi/ General Grievous/Saesee Tiin/Coleman Trebor 5. Qui-Gon Jinn/Adi Gallia/Aayla Secura/Sora Bulq 6. Anakin Skywalker/ Depa Billaba/Pong Krell 7. Asajj Ventress/Luke Skywalker/Quinlan Vos The rest are too low to qualify.

Thank you so much!

Not with Disney at the helm it wouldn't be.

Mider999 Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

Matthew cass Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

@@Jedi_Mind_ what a no life

@@jc24s69 if I have no life why are you responding to what I do with it

@@jc24s69 perhaps you're not aware that the comment section on the video in KZfaq is available there for you to comment

@@jc24s69 you say I have no life but you're the one who took time out of your life to read and respond to my comment

oprime013 Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

@@Jedi_Mind_ shut the fuck up man 😂

Assuming this is a 'what if' situation I'd say grandmaster Anakin

Allen Knox if he wasnt burned probably vader. I think on the Light side he couldnt reach his full Potential, his attitude does not fit the characteristics of most Masters of the Light side :/

DustinGrimm Magic As a warrior in terms of lightsaber combat, gm Anakin wins but in terms of powers and abilities, Emperor Vader wins.

Allen Knox i agree, his biggest weakness in combat is his overconfidence (and the High ground. And Sand.) :)

DustinGrimm Magic Well he didn't reach his full potential as a Sith either.

I agree completely. I would love to see that!

She gets overshadowed by Revan too often, yet her accomplishments are beyond most jedi...

Meetra Surik is one of the most powerful Jedi that ever lived. Revan is just beyond that.

Granted, but nearly everybody is talking about Revan, Exile not so much... unfortunately. Yet she learned several fighting styles, echani martial arts, rare force techniques, she adapted a lot of non-force techniques as well... she defeated dozens of assassins, and 3 greatest sith of her time... yet so many people overlook her... (Even in SWTOR she is barely mentioned...)

Because Revan is a fan Favorite and the exiled was not made canon until SWTOR. People were waiting for the rest of Revan story. But I do agree that the treatment her character got in SWTOR was bad, all this time waiting just to get her name and we found out she's a force ghost..

I think it was more that he was worried Anakin would fall to the Dark Side. Considering Anakins background and considering the stuff Mace would have seen in his life up till that point, I'm certain that would be the most pressing issue. Also, Mace doesn't strike me as jealous. Rather, he would be interested in testing to see if he could best him in combat if he wasn't afraid Anakin would succumb to the dark side.

Louis Clark Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

Use your darkness/fury against them.. just like Mace Windu would do ;)

Yeah, mace died cuz of Anakin's sudden betrayal. plain and simple

Louis Clark kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qs6jecV12bLWhps.html

Luke Nelson Mace windu defeated sidious, HERE IS THE PROOF. When you claim " sidious threw the fight on purpose to turn Anakin " you prove that you have forgotten or misunderstood everything in every star wars movie. Claiming sidious threw the fight is wrong on so many levels. 1# this claim assumes that sidious sensed anakin coming. but this is flatly contradicted by the fact that Lucas has already established a reoccurring theme in all star wars movies for letting the audience know when a character on screen senses something that we can't see. Facial expressions, verbal statements and physical gestures are the indicators. Here's a list. EP 4 - when alderran is destroyed , obi wan GRABS HIS CHEST, SITS DOWN AND FURROWS HIS BROW. Luke asks what's wrong ? Obi wan says " I felt a great disturbance in the force ,as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror ". EP 4 - when the falcon arrives at the death star , vader says " I sense something , a presence I haven't felt sense......" EP 5 - when Luke is hanging on for his life he says " leia hear me" then we get close up of Leias face saying " Luke"......." , we have to go back I know where Luke is " EP 6 - Luke senses vader on the star destroyer and says " vaders on that ship.......I'm endangering the mission " EP 6 - vader goes to sidious/Palpatine and says he senses his son, but sidious' vision is so clouded that he doesn't sense Luke , but vader tells him AGAIN " I have felt him" EP 1 - ki adi mundi says to Anakin " your thoughts dwell on your mother " Anakin says " I miss her " EP 2 - Anakin and obi wan stop in the middle of their conversation when Anakin senses padme is in danger , obi wan says " I sense it too " EP 2 - when Anakin looses his mom, yoda is across the galaxy but he tells mace " I sense Skywalker is in pain" EP 2 - yoda sense the dooku duel and requests a ship. EP 3 - yoda drops his cane, clutches his chest and looks like he's having a stroke when order 66 happens. THERE IS NOTHING IS THE WINDU VS SIDIOUS FIGHT TO INDICATE THAT SIDIOUS SENSE ANAKIN !. How can he sense Anakin Skywalker on courascant when he couldn't sense Luke Skywalker on endor. All his senses were focused on surviving window's fury,l. Sidious didn't sense when Anakin was about to throw him to his death. But thats only the first reason the " sidious threw the fight " claim is bogus. 2# when you say sidious threw the fight to look weak in front of Anakin, because he needed Anakin to betray mace to turn to the dark side, it assumes Anakin needs to think sidious is weak and that the jedi are corrupt in order to turn and save him from mace. But why mace why not one of the weaker jedi ? The smart thing would be to pick off windu, kit fisto and one other and leave the weakest jedi left to use as a sacrificial lamb just in case Anakin doesn't turn, unless you claim that sidious already knew that Anakin would turn in which case it makes no sense for you to say " sidious lost to mace to turn Anakin" sidious would have just killed all 4 jedi and told Anakin anything and Anakin wouldn't have arrested or killed him because he thought he needed him to save padme ( besides, he wouldn't have been able to arrest him ) there's no way sidious could have expected Anakin to think he's weak, you have the bodies of three jedi masters in the office , a trail of destruction leading to the shattered window where sidious is throwing a barrage of lightening at mace AND YOU WANT ME TO BELIEVE SIDIOUS IS PLAYING POSSUM WITH MACE ? But the biggest giveaway is that despite the fact that mace and sidious have been fighting, sidious is still alive ! Have you forgotten that mace defeated a battalion of battle droids on dantooine with his bare hands, he created vapaad ( the deadliest lightsaber style) he can see shatterpoints through the force ( which means he can see his opponents weaknesses) he lead the jedi into the geonosis pit where he took off jango fetts head. And in episode 1 when qui gon asks for Anakin to be tested , yoda looks to mace for the final judgment and mace shakes his head and says " bring him before us " so 900 year old yoda looks to mace for wisdom sometimes. I mention this because you act like mace is some wimp. Lucas himself said mace beat sidious , and that yoda and mace are the only ones that can duel with the emperor. You act like sidious is god , but he looses his lightsaber duel with mace and when he shoots lightning mace just deflects it and fries sidious. Sidious definitely lost his duel with yoda because he puts his light saber away and runs away from yoda like a coward and proceeds to throw stuff at him from a distance to avoid dueling with yoda. But yoda chases him and fires up his saber about 3 times ,as if to say " stop running and fight me punk" but cowardly sidious shoots the blade out yodas hand and shoots lightning but yoda just absorbs it with his bare hands like a boss, so the fight ended in a draw because yoga retreated but sidious didn't pursue. And when the clones tell him " there no sign of the body" instead of finishing yoda off , sidious sends his clones after him like a coward. Then in episode 6, he doesn't even try to duel with Luke , he just shoots him with lightning ( which doesn't deform Luke incidentally ) but then get thrown off a cliff by a one armed vader who just got his ass kicked and sidious doesn't even sense it coming. I mean seriously guys , come on, you act like sidious is invincible but he has the most anticlimactic and uneventful death in all of star wars, everyone dies better than sidious,!!! qui gon, darth maul, jango, dooku, mace, Obi wan, even general grievous put up a better fight at the end of his life than sidious. And the funny thing is, sidious' name doesn't even imply that he's all powerful !!! If you type synonyms for insidious you will find words like deception, shrewd, cunning, duplicitous, sneaky etc. You won't find words like ALL POWERFUL, UNSTOPPABLE, GOD, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT, INVINCIBLE ETC But you act like it does. Why is it so difficult for you to see or admit that mace won ? You have some grudge against him ? And I'm not a mace fanboy but even if I was it doesn't change the fact that I'm right, you are the ones who go out of your way to concoct these elaborate convoluted theories about how your saviour sidious won, and I'm over here just giving you a simply reading of the movie, not because I'm obsessed but because I just pay attention, try it sometime.

jedimind fudo-myoo I don’t think Palpatine threw the fight, I think windu would have succeeded if palpatine wasn’t saved by anakins intervention

Windu was more powerful than Yoda in terms of fighting lightsaber duels against powerful darkside users, yes. However, Mace didn't hold that advantage against non-darkside users. Such as Yoda... As he stated in the video he channeled their own dark power through himself and back at them. No correct/wrong answers though.

BUCKLE KNUCKLES Yoda was a far more powerful Force-user and unarguably a more skilled lightsaber duelist than Mace Windu. He has already defeated Mace Windu, before, in Jedi sparring sessions and Mace Windu has even admitted that he wasn't Yoda's equal. Nick Gillard ( the stunt coordinator of the Star Wars prequel trilogy ): "We haven't seen Mace fight, yet and we know that he's second only to Yoda"-Star Wars: Attack of the Clones Action Featurette. Though it was true that he had slowed, slightly, in the years that Windu had known him, Yoda's skill, with a lightsaber was still second to none, on the Council-Star Wars: Darth Maul, Shadow Hunter. Master Windu, himself remained perfectly balanced and centered. In the history of the Jedi Order, only two opponents ever overcame him, in battle. One was Master Yoda, who some said was the Order's true master of lightsaber combat. The other was former Master Dooku, whose own fighting style was archaic, yet stunningly effective-Star Wars: Power of the Jedi Sourcebook. Only then can we understand the extraordinary combat moves of Yoda, perhaps the greatest lightsaber master that the Jedi Order has ever seen-Star Wars: Insider. Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate-chamber, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two engaged in a spectacular duel, a contest, between the most powerful practitioners of the Force's Light and Dark Side-The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. Mace Windu: "Master Yoda is many things and I am not his equal, in peace, or war"-Star Wars: Yoda, Dark Rendezvous.

Yoda would definitely be more adept with the Force due to his centuries of experience. However, Mace Windu surpassed any other force user, and is physically more powerful and has more stamina than Yoda.

Lol. It's true. The only reason he had a purple lightsaber is because purple is Sam Jackson's favorite color and Lucas wanted him to stand out in the Battle of Genosis. But it was cool. I heard the only reason Luke had a green lightsaber in Return of the Jedi was because the blue lightsaber was too hard to see amid the blue sky of Tattoine. It's cool to add some story to explain though.

Damn right! Thank Dam for giving Star Wars more content of history

Brenton Villeneuve If Maul can survive being sliced in half and a massive fall down a reactor shaft, then Mace could survive his ordeal.

Nicolo Romani she's dead

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Darth bllod no IT is Just stupid.

Yes, I think Ahsoka will appear in season 4 of Rebels... The creators of the show clearly announced that Maul was dead when he died, but no such comment has been made about Ahsoka.